Polygamy, monogamy or nothing in particular...?

[Sun Ship]

Being the fact that traditional marriage was based on many different archaic social constructs. What is the future design of marriage? We are no longer hunters and gathers; agrarian based cultures or moralistically bound by Greco-Roman monogamy. As Africans are more and more enraptured, and socialized by the technocratic paradigm of modern Europeanism, what is our response?

Since it is imperative that our culturalization is functional and comprehensible to current conditions. What do we do?



Do we improve the social design of monogamy?

Reexamine, reinvent and reapply the histo-cultural African construct of polygamy?

Or do we just go with the flow? (…Other words do nothing)




Speak your hearts, your gut and your minds…




Peace,

Brother sun :cool:

[Im The Truth]

Speaking from monogamy from an African in American mind. I see Africans in America/blacks as tribe just as there are many tribes in Africa with many different culture and people. So in saying that, Africans in America, Our tribe is monogamy. On average Africans in America do not practice the culture to have traditional African construct of polygamy. Majority of men and women in America and under American training do have the discipline for the traditional African polygamy. Not because it can't be done, but because it is foreign to Our tribes culture. I'd say about 90% of so-called conscious people do not know anything about traditional African polygamy. Traditional African polygamy is nothing like the what is called for in the Bible or in Islam. Under traditional African polygamy women have majority of the power in the relationship/s. Under traditional African polygamy women picks the wives, and then on top of that the women control the sex. There are many rules. Also love and tenderness and all that mushy stuff is not viewed the same way in traditional African practices.

The reality is that the so-called polygamist in America are men who just want more than one women and go about polygamy in an Euporean/Arabic way. Many women are tricked into calling themselves polyamist in order to have a man they want. Traditional African polygamy does not follow the same rules as Our tribe (blacks in America) have in relationships.

It is impossible to talk about traditional African polygamy and not talk about the idea of what a traditional African relationship is. You can not go in a traditional African relationship/polymany without knowing what the rules are.

[Baba Ahmed]

yeah "monogamy" in day's light; no telling after street lights come on....

[Sun Ship]

[Rebel Queen]

Sunship is there more to that article???

[Sun Ship]

Originally Posted by Rebel Queen

Sunship is there more to that article???

The fact that the AP (Associated Press) acronym is posted just below the last sentence, probably not. But I will investigate further. I got this link from another forum.



Here is an excerpt of a post I submitted to another forum sometime ago. This may have some pertinent information in it, concerning this subject:



Monogamy, as in being able to legally marry “only� one woman, (at a time) predated Christianity and had its moral and legal foundations in Greco-Roman Law and culture. Some European Jews practiced polygamy until about the 11th century AD and then polygamy was removed from European Jewish religious and cultural life, partially in response to the pressures of inquisitional Christian Europe. Many non-European Jews outside of Europe continue to practice polygamy until this day. There is every reason to believe that polygamy existed in Palestine during the days of Jesus, because it was part of Jewish cultural, religious and family structure.

Basically, the instituting of monogamy was part of the Hellenization or Romanizing of this ancient Palestinian-born religion, Christianity. Remember, Christianity was originally viewed as a foreign eastern religion or a messianic Jewish cult, in Europe.

Here are some excerpts from Eugene Hillman’s, Polygamy Reconsidered, Orbis books 1975, P. 19-23 :


“Pre-Christian Rome also provided the Church with a readymade formulation of the purpose of marriage: “in order to bring forth children� Moreover, it was the traditional pagan “religion of the hearth� that directly inspired the original Greco-Roman view that marriage is both indissoluble and monogamous.�

“It is not surprising therefore that “Canon Law’s basic principle and obligation of the marriage contract seem to be similar to, if no identical with, Roman Law� For our purpose it is particularly interesting to note that Christianity did not introduce monogamy into the Greco-Roman world. As a result of the pagan religio-ethical conception of marriage and family life, monogamy was already present as the only form of marriage; and polygamy was already proscribed for Roman citizens when Christianity was just coming to life in the forms of that culture.�

“As it was, the Christian acceptance of monogamy, as the only permissible form of marriage, had its own problematical side effects. The legal monogamy insisted upon by the Greeks and the Romans was often supplemented with institutionalized concubinage and wide spread prostitution, and divorce was a recurring problem.�


Hillman also says:

“Nineteen centuries of Christianity have not entirely removed the ancient concomitants of legal monogamy: concubinage, prostitution and divorce.

Here Hillman quotes St. Augustine:

“Now indeed in our time and in keeping with Roman custom,�…�It is no longer allowed to take another wife, so as to have more than one wife living.�






Eugene Hillman says something interesting and profound in the beginning of his book that is worth noting and thinking about:

“Considering their [the West] traditional methods of settling international disputes and the sinister potentials of modern warfare, it is conceivable that [warring] …could produce so drastic an imbalance among the sexes…plural marriage would become an necessary means of survival for… the West.
…contrary to previous custom and law, an overriding natural and moral inclination might arise in favor of polygamy….theologians and church leaders would quickly enough produce weighty reasons and biblical texts to justify a new conception of marriage among their people.

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Let me end by making it clear that Eugene Hillman’s book was written in defense of African polygamy that had already existed and is not a guide toward reestablishing polygamy in the West. But his thoughts are, as I have said, profound and almost prophetic, if applied to our modern dilemma.


Peace,

Brother Sun Ship:cool:

[luvlee87]

personally, i cant do polygomy. period.

[Sun Ship]

can you do monogamy and tell me what you personally think about the virtues of monogamy?

Peace

[Baba Ahmed]

First of all I'm sure Sun Ship knows and understands that there is no one form of polygamy in Afrika. I've just returned from another site where this very subject is b n discussed. And somewhat in agreement with brutha Ibrahima above unless u've lived it, be cool with criticizing it here in America. Polygamy nor polyandry is not learned from books alone.

Sun Ship I don't remember if I'd posted re polygamy, on this site, I think I have on the Gikuyu form of Polygamy. Do u want me to put it here? The one above is from West Afrika and as u kno Gikuyu (Kikuyu) land is in Kenya. They generally are not Hebrew, Christian, Muslim nor Jew. Lemme kno; or chek Baba Speaks, may be there already.

Folk might think religion is like a steel barrier, ha! This topic among American educated and reared women and men? Give it your best.

[Sun Ship]

Brother Baba Ahmed, when a Black man in America takes on a subject like this, he needs all the help he can.

Brother, you are more than welcomed to post anything and everything you have.

Peace

[Baba Ahmed]

THE GIKUYU SYSTEM OF POLYGAMY

"The Gikuyu customary law of marriage provides that a man may have as many wives as he can support, and that the larger one's family the better it is for him and the tribe. The love of children is also an encouraging factor of desiring to have more than one wife. The custom also provides that all women must be under the protection of men; and that in order to avoid prostitution (no word exists for 'prostitution' in the Gikuyu language) all women must be married in their 'teens, i.e. fifteen to twenty. Thus there is no term in the Gikuyu language for 'unmarried' or 'old maids.'[indent]Before the advent of the white man the institution of serfdom and wageo-workers was unknown to the Gikuyu people. The tribal customary law recognised the freedom and independence of every member of the tribe. At the same time all were bound up together socially, politically, economically, and religiously by a system of collective activities and mutual help, extending from the family group to the tribe. The Weltanschauung of Gikuyu people is:
Kanya gatuune ne mwamokanero' (Give and take).

For economic and political reasons every family was expected to be able to protect its own interests and at the same time help to protect the common interests of the tribe from outside attack. To do this effectively and to command the respect of the tribe, it was necessary for every family to have a number of male children who could be called up for military services in time of crises and alien aggression. It was also necessary to have a number of female children who could also render assistance by cultivating the land and looking after the general welfare of the tribe while the men were fighting to defend their homesteads. Furthermore, the society cannot do without them, for they are the salt of the earth;they have the most sacred duty of creating and rearing future generations. Female children are therefore looked upon as the connecting-link between one generation and another and one clan and another, through marriage, which binds the interests of clans close together and makes them share in common responsibilities of family life. For this reason, say the Gikuyu: Keimba kea mothoni na mothoni igoaga hamwe' (literally, 'Corpses of relations in-law fall together,' meaning 'Together let us live and if need be together let us die.'"

"There is a fundamental idea among the Gikuyu that the larger the family is the happier it will be. In Gikuyu the qualification for a status to hold a high office in the tribal organisation is based on family and not on property as is the case in European society. It is held that if a man can control and manage effectively the affairs of a large family This is excellent testimonial of his capacity to look after the interests of the tribe whom he will also treat with fatherly love and affection as though it were all part of his own family. Thus the saying: 'Weega uumaga na mocie' (A good leader begins in his own homestead').

After a man has had the first wife, nyakiambi, a year or so generally passes, and then his wife starts to question him about getting a second wife, especially if she is expecting a child or immediately after she has had one. 'My husband, don't you think it is wise for you to get me a companion (moiru)? Look at our position now. I am sure you will realise how God has been good to us to give us a nice and healthy baby. For the first few days I must devote all my attention to nursing our baby. I am weak ... I can't go to the river to bring water nor to the field to bring some food, nor to weed our gardens. You have no one to cook for you. When strangers come you have no one to entertain them. I have no doubt that you realise the seriousness of the matter. What do you think of the daughter of so-and-so? She is beautiful and industrious and people speak highly about her and her family. Do not fail me, my husband. Try and win her love. I have spoken to her and found that she is very interested in our homestead. In anything that I can do to help you I am at your service, my husband.

"Even if we have not enough sheep and goats for the dowry our relatives and friends will help you so that you can get her into our family. You are young and healthy and this is the best time for us to have healthy children and so enlarge our family group, and thereby perpetuate our family name after you and I have gone. My husband please act quickly as you know the Gukuyu saying: 'Mae megotherera matietagerera mondo onyotie' water of the river does not wait for a thirsty man')

"The husband, following his wife's advice, starts to act. He approacheshis parents, and after consultation with them, arrangements are made to visit the girl and her parents. If accepted, he proceeds to pay the dowry and other gifts connected with marriages. When all arrangements are completed, he builds a hut next to that of the first wife and then brings the second wife home."

".... No doubt some people wonder how one man is able to love many women. This is a very vital question, especially among those whose religious beliefs have taught them that to love more than one woman is a crime, and furthermore a sin against heavenly gods. On the contrary, the Gikuyu are taught from childhood that to be a man is to be able to love and keep a homestead with as many wives as possible. With this in view, Gikuyu male children are brought up to cultivate the idea and technique of extending their love to severaly women and to look aupon them as companions and as members of one big family. The girsl, too, are taught how to share a husband's love and to look upon him as the father of one big family. The idea os sharing everything strongly emphasised in the up-bringing of children, so when they grow up they find it natural to share 'love and affection with others, for it is said: 'To live with others is to share and to have mercy for one another,' and: 'It is witch-doctors who live and eat alone.'

"In order to avoid jealousy (oiru) among the wives, Gikuyu custom provides that each wife must be visited by her husband on certain days of the moon, particularly the three days following menstruation. Each wife has this special privilege. The wives, knowing that this the best time to have children, see to itthat the husband does not neglect his duty of distributing his love equally among them. Such conjugal relation is the only way in which a polygamous homestead could be kept in harmony. The three days immediately after menstruation are considered as the most likely for a woman to conceive. For this reason the husband does not generally cohabit with her again until after the next menstruation. If by then she has conceived, the husband allows a period of three months to elapse before having intercourse again, in order not to cause an abortion. After this time the husband may cohabit with her, but only in a special way. That is, he must not have full penetration; he may use only about two inches of his penis. The limit is indicated by a process in the irua operation, when the operator gathers back the foreskin into a tassel, called ngwati (the brush) which is arranged to hang at the right distance below the head of the penis. Its use is to increase sexual excitement, but it can also serve as a catch to check penetration. Fuller penetration is believed to result in destroying the womb."


(All this info from Facing Mt. Kenya by Jomo Kenyatta, pgs 171-173)

Note: Sun Ship has indicated that today's settings are different from our ancient and traditional ones, generally. So as one of our learned has written: we can make ourselves from ourselves.

Part of our ancestors' function is to leave and bring us keys to keep our circles unbroken. I hope this will help our yung sista with an additional frame to re-view this elemental Afrikan cultural norm. And to realize that monogamy is not of our general Afrikan Cultural norm and therefore is against our best interests.

Just look around at the general state of our marriages and family structures TODAY.
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EDIT: Also luvlee87, other sistas and bruthas refer to today's Revolutionary Daily Thought on Pan-Afrikanism & Afrocentricity board authored by Dr. Fracis C. Welsing in c/w this and other threads showing differences in our Afrikan culture and our general education and training.

Thank you

[Goddess IsIs Akkebala]

Hoteph Beloved Ones:

My Spirit honors your Spirit.

Thank you for the glistening nectar of your loving light...IT VIBES SO RIGHTEOUS.

King god Sun Ship writes: Speak your hearts, gut, and your mind.

Oh beloved kg Sun Ship, thank you all for allowing me to feast on these awesome missives. Thank you for allowing me to bring some TRUTHS, (my missive) to the Tables of Knowledge, Understanding, and wisdom. Awe!

Beloved Ones, I will speak only from the SOUL, the generator that send the thoughts to our mind, and this is when the left brain and the right brain becomes balance with harmony or imbalance with disharmony.


First of all beloved let me say, only highly Spiritual self confident and self aware Black Afrikans are able to understand the discussings such a Spiritual Divine union such as polygamy.

The Black american as is, will not be qualified, nor possess the self confidence to discuss the polygamy relationship and union, because the culture of america they have been tainted with to the extent they are unaware of the sacred principals Nature so require of all its action and that is harmony, balance and order, such is what a true relationship of polygamy promote and represent.

Beloved Ones, polygamy is not about sharing a man with more than one woman, it is about understanding the divinity of the Feminine gender, a goddess she has always been, until Christianity came into the world and defamed the divinity of the goddess feminine gender.

america is a Christian country and it defies everything about the law of nature and in this regard we are talking about the union of Female and male and to restrict such a union to a pairing of female to male one to one, with
such being called monogamy, such is in direct contradiction to the rule and law of Nature, which stress its basic principals of harmony, balance and order and monogamy defies such natural principals.

Beloved Ones, is it not a fact that nature produce more Females than males and to stress a one on one relationship between Female and male, only create enmity and competition between sisters in pursuit for our Black Afrikan men?

Polygamy is so balance to the point it defiles the man who attempt to practice such a divine act without love and devotion to the wives he choose, treating one no more different than the other and taking on no more than can provided for equally, such is the action of divine polygamy.

Polygamy is not to see how many women a man can have in order to establish some kind of social class reputation with an inflated male ego which reflect a distaste for women, in this case Black Afrikan women, no it is not about seeing how many notches he can put on his gun, polygamy id about love, balance, order and harmony.

Now I know most woman will not agree with what I just stated about polygamy, but then it is not about playing to the irrational ego and emotion of the woman, it is about that which is divinely truth because Nature has so created it that way, yet we want to have it our american way, a way that has for so long proven not to be in the best interest of the Afrikan woman and man in america or any where else for that matter. To understand Polgamy is to understand Nature.

What Is Nature?

A word that is commonly used by all of us and many of us seem to apply our own or some one else own meaning and purpose to Nature, some of us refer to this action as if it is a person, just as you and I, yet it is beyond all what many believe it to be.

To know and understand the action we call Nature, require that one have no illusion about what God really is, we must learn to pull off all of the ism's, found within the boundaries of religion and begin to think, using the
mind which such thoughts creates.

Nature is no more than the action taking place among all that the ultimate energy has created and the show of power each entity is given, as we learn to act and interact with each other, therefore how we conduct ourselves with each member of that natural creation, determine the relationship that is developed one to the other.

So let us deal with a category of Nature which we refer to as having the highest form of intelligence in the family of Nature, which is referred to as Mankind, the human Being, and by the way, I do not subscribe to the notion that Mankind is the highest representative of intelligence within the family of Nature, but be that as it may.

Within the family of Nature, which represent the creative action of the highest order of energy, that entity we so name and honor as being God over all there is in and beyond the Universe, we humans have come to distinguish between the many elements that make up Nature, in accordance to the level of our intelligence, we have given names and have so applied description to those elements based on the form, make-up and action of the elements, be they animate or inanimate, such is the action and behavior of the human element of Nature.

You see beloved Nature is intrinsic within all that we identify as Nature, therefore it act not independently from its elements, because it is one and the same with its being, appearance and action, It Is The All Of The All There Is, In and beyond the universe, because such is what Nature Really Is.

Now let us deal with color in descriptive term, which are many, but those that interest us humanly, as we describe each other, we end up with the three primary colors of description of the Hue-inkind element of Nature, which is Afrikan, which has a range of Black, Reddish Brown, and Brown, and there is Asian Mongolian, which has a pigment of a yellowish Nature and then we have what is call European Caucasian, which has a pigment that is without color which we refer to as white or fairly exclusive of the chemical Melanin.

Beloved all of these fit within the confine of Nature, just as we identify all else of Nature by name and description, be they of the various other elements of the animated fleshly Nature, and even that which is not of the animated fleshly Nature, but all fit within the confine of Nature, interrelated one to the other Naturally so.

So I ask my beloved, are we stereotyping when we identify the difference between water and the wind or earth and fire?

The description we human have so assigned such a badge of identification to and to each other, only distinguish the difference between the elements, with each having their own distinct Natural function?

So it is my beloved, with hue-inkind, and when we intelligently see the variation in the pigment ( color ) of the Hue-inkind Natural appearance, as presented within the confine of what we refer to as Nature, such in my opinion, does not become as act of stereotyping, it is just Naturally describing what we have so deemed to be our identity, as hue-inkind.

So when I refer to us Natural animated Beings, whose form distinguish us from each other, as anthropomorphous Beings, as well as from other Animated Beings, and our intelligence is utilized some what different from the other animated Beings, I think it become appropriate to so identify us as Natural as we are.

Now where the problem arises is how we act and react toward each other based on our Natural identity and that become the anti-nature of those who choose to use such a mark of identity, to express mental and physical behavior that tend to elevate one element of the anthropomorphous being over the other and use the difference in the melanin content of the various Beings as a sign of one being superior over the other based on the pigment ( color ) of the outer surface ( skin ) of the Natural Being, which represent being an equal member of Nature.

Nature, it is the elements that emanated out of the ultimate essence, which so revealed an energy beyond compare, therefore bringing
forth elements of action, whose highest form of intelligence revealed what we now refer to as the Universe, the highest expression of Nature intelligence, as well as the highest expressed form of a godly Nature.

We must return to practices associated with the worship of nature, that the whole of reality is divine, knowing that natural features of the world are invested with divine power.

As long as we remain detached from the Nature outside of us (stars, moon, sun, flowers, etc), which is the other half of us, the longer we will remain detached for the Divine Creator, and one another.

Below is a questionnaire I answered on the Yahoo group.

1. Do you favor Polygamy? Yes or no?

Isis/Iya of Afrika: Yes.

2. Do you favor Monogamy?

Isis/Iya of Afrika: NO

3. Are men destined to become Polygamists?

Isis/Iya of Afrika: Men nor Women can not be destined to be what they already are. Polygamy is a union of divine relationship, a way of life our Ancient Afrikan Ancestors practiced perfectly.

4. Should becoming a polygamist depend on one's effort and ability to cop with the effects?

Isis/Iya of Afrika: One does not become what one already is. There is not one thing difficult about living a polygamist life if the environment is of such that it complies with the laws of Nature, which is based on the principal of opposite expressing the value of Harmony, Balance and Order.

5. Does Polygamy lead to men exercising undue power over women? Y or N?

Isis/Iya of Afrika: Polygamy is not about power or control, therefore I must answer in the negative to this question.

6. Does Polygamy lead to women exercising freedom and power over men? Y or N?

Isis/Iya of Afrika: The answer is No.

7. Whether in polygamy or monogamy, men should share power equally with women? Y or N?

Isis/Iya of Afrika: No!!! polygamy is not about power nor control it is about harmony, balance and order in a relationship between the two opposite genders.

8. Who leads at home? Men? Women? Or Shared Power?]

Isis/Iya of Afrika: In a patriarchal society, men is in control and their ego will not allow power to be shared because under such a society rule, it does not apply

9. Who leads in society? Men? Women? Or Shared Power?

Isis/Iya of Afrika: Depend on the order of the society and its culture acceptance of either matriarchal or patriarchal.

10. What is your position on future gender relations? Men lead? Women Lead? Shared Power?]

Isis/Iya of Afrika: My position is on past Afrikan gender relations which was in keeping with the rule of law of Nature, which so require Harmony, Balance and Order.

11. Should Polygamy be regulated given that "Half the World is Woman"? Y or N?

Isis/Iya of Afrika: Man has no authority to regulate what Nature has so ordained, we should only obey Nature.

REALITY

Reality as a word is a concept. Reality, as reality, is not something that you can think of. To state anything categorically about the reality of the world, one needs to have a yardstick of reality with which to measure the proposition. The yardstick itself would be part of the world, i.e., part of that which is to be proved. When you are the reality, you cannot talk of reality--much less prove it, disapprove it or approve of it. So the moment you talk or think of something, it is in Phenomenality and therefore conceptual.

Before we Afriakns fell into humanity, we was the reality. Our Afrikan ancient ancestors was not thinking about being Afrikans. They was Afrikans. They weren’t thinking about their history, because they was living history, AS WE SHOULD BE DOING EACH NANOSECOND. So beloved, I ask, what were they thinking about? THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT FREEING THE SOUL. THE BOOK OF THE DEAD.

Beloved Ones, for those who do not understand, those of us who do understand, understands that you do not understand, and that is understandable, because understanding comes only after knowledge.

When we say we CAN'T, we DON'T, and when we DON'T, we WON'T, and there goes will, and without will, there will be no way to truths. We must have a CANDO attitude, simple because we was not created from a CAN'T, DON'T,WON'T Divine creator. Those are the words off the oppressor alien mind-set, and the english language is a prostitute language. Thee age of Aquarius (knowledge, understanding, and wisdom) is here, NOW. These words will never build kingdoms/Pyramids. These words are weak links words in the collectively unification back to our righteous Afrikan-mindset. TIME for TRUTH and Change. Polgamy is in no way a Selfish order. It is a self-sacrficing Divine Order. No jealousy, envy, strife, malice...and the likes of. NOT FOR OURSELVES ALONE. . Think about all our fatherless and even motherless children. We say CAN'T, WON'T, DON'T today, but when the rubber meets the road, CAN'T, WON'T DON'T disappear. Oops! and so do FEAR/EGO.

Come Now And Let us reason together, Though Our Mind Has Been Contaminated With Lies, It can be Made To Function As It Did In The Beginning Of Our Coming To this Planet, Call Earth!!!

It Is Time to Condemn the Lie and elevate The Truth!!!
We Must Cause Trouble ( with the truth ) Until Our Liberation!!!
It Is The Black Fool Who Say I Have Lost Nothing In Africa!!! ( Osiers )
I Come, I Share, You Either Accept Or Reject, I Move On.
Completely Loving The Black African Nation
Honor, Respect And Praise To The Honorable Marcus Garvey and all like minds

From the Chambers of Thee Holies of Holies, where Spiritual Secrets resides, and Thee Frontier of The Future, on Thee Outskirts of Thee City of Eternity, I, IsIs sit at the feet of Osiris, Thee SIRIS STAR SYSTEM. (Thee SSS Innerprise) ________________________________________________
Click on www.afromerica.com, BACK DOOR, LISTEN, to my radio station, BACK TO THE PYRAMID, and listen to Afrikan Scholars, and my good sister friend EMPRESS OF GHANA, AMIDERO II, Wednesday 6--8pmEST, as she speaks on this subject and many others Afrikan male scholars.

You can reach me also by email:
goddess_isis_loving@yahoo.com

Here is loving you

Hoteph

goddess IsIs Akkebala/Iya of Afrika
Being Thee Change Afrikans/World Needs To See
SPIRITUALITY IS MY IDENTITY/TITLE/CROWN
MY TASTE RUNS AFRIKAN ROYAL
I AM FREE. I AM ME. I AM AFRIKA. I DREAM OF AFRIKA.

SIRUS STAR SYSTEM (SSS) INNERPRISE

[Goddess IsIs Akkebala]

Hoteph Beloved Ones:

My Spirit honors your Spirit.

King god Sun Ship writes:

Do we improve the social design of monogamy?

Reexamine, reinvent and reapply the histo-cultural African construct of polygamy?

Or do we just go with the flow? (…Other words do nothing)


Speak your hearts, your gut and your minds…

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Polygamy, monogamy or nothing in particular...?
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Being the fact that traditional marriage was based on many different archaic
social constructs. What is the future design of marriage? We are no longer
hunters and gathers; agrarian based cultures or moralistically bound by
Greco-Roman monogamy. As Africans are more and more enraptured, and
socialized by the technocratic paradigm of modern Europeanism, what is our
response?

Since it is imperative that our culturalization is functional and
comprehensible to current conditions. What do we do?

Do we improve the social design of monogamy?

Isis:

The European Monogamy social design is not improvable by Afrikans or anybody else for that matter and Monogamy is working as it is designed to work and that is to cause confusion in Female- Male relationship and a relationship competitiveness between the Feminine gender for male relationship.
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Monogamy is a male anti-nature creation


Reexamine, reinvent and reapply the histo-cultural African construct of
polygamy?

Isis:

Now you thinking as a True Afrikan but you must realize such reconstruct can
not and will not be applied justly in an environment that is not conducive
to such a natural order and the Afrikan in such an Environment that promote
acts of Anti - nature behavior, is not in a position to change anything in
that respect, Monogamy I speak of in this particular case.
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Or do we just go with the flow? (.Other words do nothing)

Isis:

The predicament the Afrikan in american is in can do nothing but go with the
flow, a flow that has destroyed the Afrikan Nucleus Family.
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Speak your hearts, your gut and your minds.

Isis:

Beloved, there you have it.
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Hoteph King god Sun Ship

Here is loving you


goddess Isis Akkebala/Iya of Afrika


SIRUS STAR SYSTEM (SSS) INNERPRISE


Afrika! Afrika! Afrika!

[luvlee87]

a monogomous relationship is the only relationship i would consider having. What do i think about the virtues of monogomy? well ive always seen monogomy as the most private and sacred kind of relationship there can be because its only between two people...and sharing responsibilities, being each other's other half (not 1/4, or 1/6, or 1/8).but more than that its equal. i dont understand how there can be a level of equality in a relationship when it involves one man with 2 or more women....theres nothing equal about that. he may say that he gives the wives all the same amount of attention, but their attention is only being directed towards HIM, so thats not equal at all. thats my opinion

[Sun Ship]

First I appreciate the very informative and eye opening posts of Brother Baba Ahmed and Blessed sister Goddess IsIs Akkebala. I will eventually comment on what they have enlightened us with. Both posted powerful information.

Here are some statistics (slightly dated) that will give you some idea where we are and where we’re headed. Also, Ebony Magazine has an recent article about the shortage of Black males on college campuses. I will post that info also, soon.



College? Where Are The Black Males?


The following list of Black female/male student enrollment ratios at Historically Black Colleges is telling. The figures are for the 1999-2000 year. We believe that the figures are probably representative of what is occurring at predominantly white colleges where Black students are enrolled. You don't have to be a mathematician to figure out why our critical thinkers are concerned. Check out the percentages below.

Here's a sampling of the female/male enrollment percentages at some HBCUs:


Fisk University---72% female, 28% male
Tuskegee University---60% female, 40% male
Clark Atlanta University---72% female, 26% male
Morris Brown College---59% female, 41% male
Hampton University--60% female, 40% male
Florida A&M University---56% female, 44% male
St. Paul's College--63% female, 37% male
Virginia State University---58% female, 42% male
Virginia Union University---58% female, 42% male
North Carolina Central University--63% female, 37% male
North Carolina A&T University---51% female, 49% male
St. Augustine's College---58% female, 42% male
Bethune Cookman College--57% female, 43% male
Lincoln University--57% female, 43% male
Dillard University--78% female, 28% male
Xavier University---71% female, 29% male
Howard University---63% female, 37% male
Central State University---57% female, 43% male
South Carolina State University---58% female, 42% male
Voorhees College---65% female, 35% male
Bowie State University---62% female, 38% male
Morgan State University---59% female, 41% male
University of Maryland at Eastern Shore---58% female,42% male
Alcorn State University---60% female, 40% male
Jackson State University---59% female, 41% male
Rust College---58% female, 42% male
Toogaloo College---68% female, 32% male
Grambling State University---55% female, 45% male
Shaw University---63% female, 37% male
Winston-Salem State University---66% female, 33% male
LeMoyne-Owens---68% female, 32% male
Alabama State University---55% female, 45% male
Miles College---56% females, 44% male
Stillman College--66% female, 34% male
Southern University---67% female, 33% male
Elizabeth City State University--63% female, 37% male


The Others:

Of course, Spelman is all female, as well as Bennett. Morehouse is all male.

At Benedict College the ratio is 50/50. At Allen University, with less than 300 students, it's 53% male. At Lane College, with less than 700 students, it's 51% male.

Oh, yes, the gender ratios is a major problem, with all kinds of implications for the near future and beyond. In a 1999 issue of the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education, for example, you'll find this note: "Black women earn nearly two thirds of all bachelor's degrees awarded to African Americans. This dominance by black women is now reflected in scientific disciplines as well." Comments? Strategic suggestions?

-Isaac Black
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Isaac Black is the CEO of Black Excel: The College Help Network (www.BlackExcel.org). His book, The Black Excel African American Student's College Guide, will be published
in August by John Wiley & Sons.