erykah badu's baby #3

[Im The Truth]

So are we saying it's ok to have 3 baby daddys or 3 baby mamas as long as you are rich???

[Walk Wit Me]

kinda sorta...


I'm not even sure.


I'm just saying you can afford to make mistakes when you're rich.

[nattyreb]

i don't believe you have to be rich to be a single parent with 3 (or more!) children with different fathers/mothers. Families are made up of every type of mix, situations are just not that cut and dry! If girls are looking to Sis. Erykah as any type of role model, then it's clear to them that she is not just sleeping around but has been involved in monogamous relationships and dealt seriously with the issue of who would father her children.

If the thought of motherhood is something she chooses, and she is good at it & blessed by it, then there is absolutely no reason someone should be sitting in judgement of her saying that she needs to take path a,b,c in order to satisfy that maternal instinct. These children have a divine right to come into this world! She has had loving relationships with these bros., she has decided to share a child with these bros., and these bros. are active participants in their children's lives. How can that possibly be negative?!

To tear her down is really problematic, IMO, Sistas are not getting the message that they should try to get pregnant by as many men as they can because that's not what she is doing. What would have been the better example, to abort these children because she is no longer involved with their fathers?

And why no condemnation of the fathers of these children, you implied something about multiple "baby mamas," so does that make them "Anti-Afrikan" as well?

So are we saying it's ok to have 3 baby daddys or 3 baby mamas as long as you are rich???

[BlackIsPower]

So are we saying it's ok to have 3 baby daddys or 3 baby mamas as long as you are rich???

I think so Bro. Truth,I am also a fan of Badu but at the same time I know that she is not what I would personally model my life or child rearing after. She makes good points for those who have that european mindset about marriage,but for those who know a lil about traditional Afrikan culture,her argument is not holding weight. If they good enough to lay down and have children with then these men should be good enough to "marry" (be in a committed relationship until u both leave this earth). She single as hell ,but she rich so finding another man to deal with her and her multiple kids by multiple men shouldn't be a problem.When will this behavior be unacceptable to us ?

[Elisa Keisha]

So are we saying it's ok to have 3 baby daddys or 3 baby mamas as long as you are rich???

my answer:

still there are many mothers out there who are not rich and have also raised healthy and happy children with different fathers. I know a couple of examples and i can tell you the children had good childhoods and didnt see the multiple father thing as a drama.

[Walk Wit Me]

there are always exceptions to the rule.


doesn't make it right.

[The Eloquent Peasant]

Peace 2 our Afrikan family:

No judgments or recriminations of our sista are warranted. Much luv & support for her gifts...

Her most powerful words... She never had a father and doesn't know what it feels like but her children do... Nuff said.

Again, much luv & support.

The Eloquent Peasant

[Rahameem Israel]

[QUOTE=Im The Truth;149531]Please give me 10 different examples of the this kind of relationship & child-bearing being the culturally norm in Africa at any time period.

how can i put this? (dont need ten) for one we are not in afrika, two black male female relationships in this country have been destroyed, three we are still slaves, four we have to modify our behavior for survival. to put that european concept of what it is to be a mother on our sistas in this hell is oppressive. in afrikan thought the village and the women raised the child anyway i dont think men had much to do with that and there where plenty of examples of men and warriors, chiefs, healers, giots,etc..etc.. we just dont have the village. and everything these people learned didnt come from us brutha. if the sista went around with no top on youd find something wrong with that also, but thats very afrikan. but in amerikkka it would seem kinda strange. it may seem strange what shes doing too you, but the majority of us still hold deep psychological programming from the caucasian. thats all i got to say.

[Raha]

I think that people really need to check out the thread over at the OKPlayer Message Board to really see ALL of what was said that would warrant such a response from Sister Erykah (some of them were just downright disrespectful to her and her "supposed" pregnancy. At the time, this was a RUMOR that cats were basing their assumptions on. I love our people, but when we get a hold of any kind of gossip, we really RUN with it!).

My personal opinion is this:
From the interviews that I have read about Sister Erykah through various magazines and online as well, her children are WELL taken care of (not from a financial standpoint, but from a family standpoint). Both Seven and Puma love their Mother to pieces, and she loves them to pieces as well. Seven looks out for his little Sister. The fathers play an active, loving role in their children's upbringing. What's the beef? I don't even know her on a personal level (and really, that's not ANYONE'S business, especially when RUMORS get involved), but from what I have seen, she takes damn good care of herself, her kids, and makes sure that the fathers are present in the children's lives. How can a situation with so much honest love involved be considered "Anti-Afrikan"?

I do not care what her family situation is like. If the children are loved and taught the right things, then how can I say what she is doing is not right? It works for her. The same thing would be said with any other Sister who make sure that their kids KNOW that they are being loved and taken good care of.

As for the role model aspect, I think that some of us are a bit short-sighted in looking at the parts and not recognizing the whole. She has a loving family which she strives to maintain to the best of her ability. It may not be the kind of family some of us may want/desire, but why wouldn't we want our Sisters to look up to someone that has a loving family like she has?

Those are my 3 dollars and 6 dimes. (Do the math, drop the semantics)

P.E.A.C.E.

[nattyreb]

My first favorite quote from you:

How can a situation with so much honest love involved be considered "Anti-Afrikan"?

My second:

As for the role model aspect, I think that some of us are a bit short-sighted in looking at the parts and not recognizing the whole.

i share your viewpoint completely, thank you for speaking it so simply and so well.

(BTW, great posting freedom4me!)

[Majadi]

This is not easy because we love her, it is not easy because we are dealing with a social construct that has been viewed as having absolutes. Relationships are so multi-dimensional, this becomes a pain trying to say what it "is" or rather even if there exists an "is"! My four children are my 3 eldest children from my wife and my youngest from another relationship. My 3 oldest have no relationship with their "genetic" Father, he was abusive to my wife and a drunk (alcoholic is too kind!). My daughter's "genetic" mother is irrelevant, no b-day cards, very little money over the last 8 years I have had her (and I mean very little)! So I would kill for my children all of them to have had proper relationships with their genetic (generic) parents. Fortunately the creator saw fit that my wife and I could be the REAL (Revolutionary Everyday And Loving) Parents for our four children and now our grandchild.

Erykah has a sistuation (sista situation) that works for her soooo, how is this an issue? Role models are whom we choose to place our children in front of, I would show her as one for my daughters, because regardless of the situation she has a complete control of things. The fathers are there, the mother is there, the money is there. Hell for that matter in my situation, A father is there, a mother is there, and aaaaaaaaall of my money is there (lol). As long as the children have clean food, clean beds, clean minds and Erykah is not out hopping from bed to bed! She seems to have loved these brothers and they her, things just don't always work out! My wife and I only have a marriage license for tax purposes and bank accounts other than that we could give a damn about these marriage shitstems!

Live on and on Erykah, Ye Yo, Ye Yo!!!

[Rahameem Israel]

My Personal Opinion Is This:
From The Interviews That I Have Read About Sister Erykah Through Various Magazines And Online As Well, Her Children Are Well Taken Care Of (not From A Financial Standpoint, But From A Family Standpoint). Both Seven And Puma Love Their Mother To Pieces, And She Loves Them To Pieces As Well. Seven Looks Out For His Little Sister. The Fathers Play An Active, Loving Role In Their Children's Upbringing. What's The Beef? I Don't Even Know Her On A Personal Level (and Really, That's Not Anyone's Business, Especially When Rumors Get Involved), But From What I Have Seen, She Takes Damn Good Care Of Herself, Her Kids, And Makes Sure That The Fathers Are Present In The Children's Lives. How Can A Situation With So Much Honest Love Involved Be Considered "anti-afrikan"?
(do The Math, Drop The Semantics)

P.e.a.c.e.

Its That Marraige Factor Sista That People Have A Problem With. And Again I Say We Need To Clean Our Minds Of Such Eurocentric Garbage Because Marriage As We See It Today Givin To Us By The Caucasian Is A European Religious Control Concept Thats Really Just A "legal Contract" By Their Law.

Free Your Mind And Your..........

[Nefertiti]

I like Erykah Badu...But its seems to me that what she's doin is ok because she's who she is, any average female in my neighborhood would be ridiculed! at some point we must have self control Three kids and three different Fathers don't look like being a thinking responsible person I don't give a damn how good the "D" may be(straight talk)...Well Its good she bringing another being into the world,... she has the abundant resources...Good luck to her

[Pragmatic]

[2:235] You commit no sin by announcing your engagement to the women, or keeping it secret. GOD knows that you will think about them. Do not meet them secretly, unless you have something righteous to discuss. Do not consummate the marriage until their interim is fulfilled. You should know that GOD knows your innermost thoughts, and observe Him. You should know that GOD is Forgiver, Clement.


The idea below is for married peoples; not children.

Birth Control isn't a choice, it's a "priveledge"......

So don't "block" your "blessings", thinking like a "nigga"....

Stop thinking this is a choice; Planned Parenthood was designed to "control" BIRTH by sterilization, ie. BIRTH CONTROL for "lower" class ie. "thorougbreds". "Lower" class citizens are allowed priveledges, like sterilization through "oral, or vaginal contraception". This acclamates those unfit into the "Higher class society" as more productive in the system of class,as a commontity; an "asset". The willing act of having your birth controlled by Planned Parenthood not only "defeminizes" women by stopping there ovulation ,which in turn reduces there Lutenizing hormone and Follicle Stimulation hormone but it makes the body believe it is pregnant which may cause long term "high" risk cases of:

• Coronary Artery Disease,
• Hypopituitarism,
• Kallmann syndrome
  
  
  
• Hypothalamic suppression
• Hyperprolactinemia
• Gonadotropin deficiency
• Diabetes mellitus

, and infrequent/light or absent menstrual periods and infertility. Finally it "demasculates" men by controlling there right to "procreate" substituted know more firmly through dictating the idea of "priveledge" to men; "where's the love at". The thought of children is only to be considered a concept of rationality from a women's point of view to her man; that type of rationallity is impervious to equality "to be or not to be a nigga"; It equates out to slavery, for men and women, of any color. An idea first promoted by the Late founder of Plan Parenthood "Margeret Sanger". Thanks Margaret!

In other words "having your man by the balls" should not be taken lightly.

Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood, In Her Own Words
Birth Control
Follicle-stimulating hormone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hypopituitarism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Cortisol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Blood sugar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Checking my privilege: birth control - Community
Nurse's Legal Handbook - Google Book Search
Low Estrogen Linked to Increased Riskof Coronary Artery Disease in Premenopausal Women
Amazon.com: Foundations of Physiological Psychology (with Neuroscience Animations and Student Study Guide CD-ROM) (6th Edition): Neil R. Carlson: Books

You can Protect yourselves without the side effects.

Peace be upon you

submission.org

[Nia Maishani]

Greetings camarada!

Yes, Erykah is not 100% representing the traditional Afrikan family and therefore should not be the main example of panafrikanism.
She isnt the best example of Black Nationalism either, by some of the words she speaks, sometimes.

But neither is she trying to claim any of these titles. She is real about what she's about, in my opinion. And what she's about is raising healthy and happy children, that learn about respect, non-western ways and peace of mind, she's also reasonable at choosing her partners who, as she says, are beautiful brothers and excellent parents to their children and the rest, they are there for them, and the children are born out of a strong relationship.

...she is constantly traveling the world and probably has a "unique" personality, which all together must make it difficult to find a partner for life, and life has come to her this way and in my opinion she has make something kind of nice and healthy out of it.

So, i say you are right, she is not the epitome of panafrikanism, as none of us is, but she's not setting up a bad example, maybe not the best, but still good in these times we/she live.

Let me first say that I like Erykah Badu's music, but I am not fanatical about it. I like her style, and her self-possession, and I respect her as an artist. But again, this issue is not about her celebrity status. Celebrity status doesn't impress me. She's a regular human being, mother, sister, daughter just like me.

This is not directed to anyone specific, but I have to say that for those who have a problem with Erykah Badu's life choices, other than kissing her placenta, I'd like to see them answer the list of questions she put out there. I am truly fed up with self-righteous (smh) people who have not walked even a step in another person's shoes trying desperately to bash and bring that person down, as if any of our tish don't stink somewhere. It is not Erykah Badu's responsibility, nor the responsibility of any black woman to hold the world on her shoulders and be everything (or anything) to everybody who thinks she is responsible for modeling the way that THEY see fit. Let Erykah be Erykah, and you be you. From what I can see, she is clearly a better mother than a lot of women (of all races) that I have seen in my 35 years.

I'll be back to say some mo' in a minute, 'cause I ain't done with this one.

Thank you Elisa Keisha, and thank you Natty Reb!