Can a Woman teach a enslaved man to be a warrior?

[Elisa Keisha]

Sister Queen, no need to
Brother Truth is saying that liberation aint a man's or woman's thing, but everybody's duty. It doesnt have to do with gender, but education. He explained this when he wrote:

Neither men nor women have a stronghold liberating minds. Liberating minds has to do with education and action, no more no less.

And i said we need a wider atmosphere not meaning that one person can do nothing at all, but saying that we all eventually need to organize with other people, cause that's what revolution is about. Thats what Panafricanism say, and its not contrary to what you have been saying, only complementary.

[BlackQueen]

Then,answer this question...does it feel like we are alone in the revolution? More and more of our brothers are either in concentration camps,streets dealing poison,gay,or dead,or with white women.A woman can fight,but the revolution needs our black men,now more than ever.

Originally Posted by Elisa Keisha

Sister Queen, no need to
Brother Truth is saying that liberation aint a man's or woman's thing, but everybody's duty. It doesnt have to do with gender, but education. He explained this when he wrote:


And i said we need a wider atmosphere not meaning that one person can do nothing at all, but saying that we all eventually need to organize with other people, cause that's what revolution is about. Thats what Panafricanism say, and its not contrary to what you have been saying, only complementary.

[Elisa Keisha]

Originally Posted by BlackQueen

Then,answer this question...does it feel like we are alone in the revolution? More and more of our brothers are either in concentration camps,streets dealing poison,gay,or dead,or with white women.A woman can fight,but the revolution needs our black men,now more than ever.

I didnt say revolution doesnt need them, quite the contrary!

[BlackQueen]

I know you didn't say that,sis. But damn,what do we have to do get them to realize that we need more from them?

Originally Posted by Elisa Keisha

I didnt say revolution doesnt need them, quite the contrary!

[Elisa Keisha]

Originally Posted by BlackQueen

I know you didn't say that,sis. But damn,what do we have to do get them to realize that we need more from them?

ok, i think we are changing topic here, which is good. Or maybe we are just reformulating the question. I think you may want to share with us and develop the context behind the first question. Just so we can take perspective and understand you better.

i think the question "what do we have to do get them to realize we need more from them?" is asked from both gender groups, and we dont want to start a discussion about who gives more, or who is more brainwashed, cause it sure will have no end and will only devide us.

The conclusion is ANYBODY, man, woman, have the power to help somebody else discover the truths of the shitstem. And love is always necessary for this, love and patience. So the asnwer to your first question is Yes.

But, love for One single person is not enough, of course we also need to focus that love and patience on our entire community.
And you cant teach somebody to be a complete warrior if you are alone, because to become Warriors we need a community, a community to teach and to learn from.

[Khalliqa]

I believe the best a woman can do is inspire a man to go in the direction needed.. if there is no male elder to guide him... he must develop through wit and trial...

Even if there were a woman who could make a man... it would be an additional burden upon women that society could do without incorporating...

I believe that if we are to think as nation builders, then the best of societies is constructed with our warriors cultivating the next generation of warriors..

Women do much to inspire the heart of a warrior...


~Peace~
Khalliqa

[MsLioness]

Originally Posted by BlackQueen

That's a very cold thing for you to say. Our men need us,as much as we need them.So,you really believe that love and patience can help our men free themselves? Then what will it take?!

You ask about "Strong Black Love"....is love not strong already,are there levels of love, and whats black love? The question is so abstract, with abstract ideas and concepts and definitions, it makes it easy to say, concretely, that "no" is the answer.

Our liberation is going to take REAL MOVEMENT in REAL TIME with REAL EFFORTS...which is applicable for everyone, and the whole world is affected by it. Strong Black Love....I don't know Queen....its just too abstract to liberate someone.

Clearly to make those efforts, that "Strong Black Love" could be there, but if that "spirit" is not, and those efforts are still made, without compulsion, and education is further implemented.....and the struggle continues, who is complaining?

[BlackQueen]

Our men complain when they believe we ask too much from them,but the truth,we do need more from them,and I'm not just talking economically or emotionally,we need them to be our Nation's line of defense.

Originally Posted by Elisa Keisha

ok, i think we are changing topic here, which is good. Or maybe we are just reformulating the question. I think you may want to share with us and develop the context behind the first question. Just so we can take perspective and understand you better.

i think the question "what do we have to do get them to realize we need more from them?" is asked from both gender groups, and we dont want to start a discussion about who gives more, or who is more brainwashed, cause it sure will have no end and will only devide us.

The conclusion is ANYBODY, man, woman, have the power to help somebody else discover the truths of the shitstem. And love is always necessary for this, love and patience. So the asnwer to your first question is Yes.

But, love for One single person is not enough, of course we also need to focus that love and patience on our entire community.
And you cant teach somebody to be a complete warrior if you are alone, because to become Warriors we need a community, a community to teach and to learn from.

[Elisa Keisha]

Originally Posted by BlackQueen

Our men complain when they believe we ask too much from them,but the truth,we do need more from them,and I'm not just talking economically or emotionally,we need them to be our Nation's line of defense.

Some men complain when some women ask for more. And some women complain when they are asked for more AS WELL. We must support echother and educate echother and THATS IT. Men and women are both in the first line of attack.

[BlackQueen]

Both sides ask for more from the other...will there ever be a balance?

Originally Posted by Elisa Keisha

Some men complain when some women ask for more. And some women complain when they are asked for more AS WELL. We must support echother and educate echother and THATS IT. Men and women are both in the first line of attack.

[MsLioness]

Originally Posted by Khalliqa

I believe the best a woman can do is inspire a man to go in the direction needed.. if there is no male elder to guide him... he must develop through wit and trial...

"....external causes affect only the quantitative changes of things--the times and places of their beginning, and the rate at which they proceed."-Maurice Cornforth

But her efforts are small, though comforting, for the actual living condition the person is in and BlackQueen, herself, are the REAL external pressures.

[Majadi]

Queens, I must commend you all for this is one of the most lively and intellectually powerful discussions I have seen here! I appreciate all of your minds and on some level it is a discussion to be had by the Afrikan woman alone! We as Afrikan men cannot define what the role is for the divine HER!

She can bring light to He, and He can bring light to the She! What we do with that light is an individual concept. The issue that we are faced with is does the one "cause" the other to "become" conscious? I say moreso that the one can be a guide or a lampost the person must find that courage or have had some prior or even current environmental factors that will have moved them in that direction. For instance, My mother gace me Soledad Brother when I was 16, as a young man she taught me to question everything. That got me into trouble in churches and mosques and temples and such as well as school.
My mother is obviously a woman! I was then given a Muhammad Speaks Newspaper when I was 19 by a fine...and I mean fine Muslim sister! She invited me to a Mosque in Chicago. Then I have been affected by Charsee McIntyre, Maria Stewart, Assata Shakur and of course Queen Mother Moore. So women can help to shape the consciousness of a man. The warrior and specific things can be taught by women but may be better taught by men. The jury is still out for me on that one! Now with all of these women having contributed to my warrior status, and I am here with you all, it can work...Here I am, in all my short, radiant, Afrikan, splendor!

[BlackQueen]

Majadi,as always,your words are powerful and strong. It is men such as yourself that we need in the revolution!

Originally Posted by Majadi

Queens, I must commend you all for this is one of the most lively and intellectually powerful discussions I have seen here! I appreciate all of your minds and on some level it is a discussion to be had by the Afrikan woman alone! We as Afrikan men cannot define what the role is for the divine HER!

She can bring light to He, and He can bring light to the She! What we do with that light is an individual concept. The issue that we are faced with is does the one "cause" the other to "become" conscious? I say moreso that the one can be a guide or a lampost the person must find that courage or have had some prior or even current environmental factors that will have moved them in that direction. For instance, My mother gace me Soledad Brother when I was 16, as a young man she taught me to question everything. That got me into trouble in churches and mosques and temples and such as well as school.
My mother is obviously a woman! I was then given a Muhammad Speaks Newspaper when I was 19 by a fine...and I mean fine Muslim sister! She invited me to a Mosque in Chicago. Then I have been affected by Charsee McIntyre, Maria Stewart, Assata Shakur and of course Queen Mother Moore. So women can help to shape the consciousness of a man. The warrior and specific things can be taught by women but may be better taught by men. The jury is still out for me on that one! Now with all of these women having contributed to my warrior status, and I am here with you all, it can work...Here I am, in all my short, radiant, Afrikan, splendor!

[Langalibalele]

I said I don't kno. But that is wrong. A black woman can liberate a man who has enuf love in his heart to accept the truth. Which means, that only a revolutionary (man or woman) can liberate anybody in this society.

[MsLioness]

Originally Posted by Langalibalele

I said I don't kno. But that is wrong. A black woman can liberate a man who has enuf love in his heart to accept the truth. Which means, that only a revolutionary (man or woman) can liberate anybody in this society.

Thats funny. i WISH i could have voted "no" twice.