The Metaphysics of Shango and THe philosophy of Olodumare

[Johnny Destiny]

Hello all,
I am a black philosopher and my name is Junior. Here is a brief outline of my philosophy. Please tell me what you think.




The Metaphysics of Shango and The Philosophy of Olodumare

Olodumare the infinite State

The infinite State is said to exist since there is the finite State. This can be proved by the use of the argument for the existence of first principles. Now since I'm in the finite State and Olodumare is the infinite State if I say Olodumare doesn't exist, then what I'm saying is finite existence is greater than infinite existence; consequently, Olodumare is said to exist. This is one of the founding doctrines of my philosophy of Olodumare.

Shango's existence proved

In the philosophy of Olodumare the main proposition is the finite State is the infinite State whereas the finite is illusory and the infinite is real. Consequently, man is two States in one. The two States form one being whom I've called Shango in the manner after my ancestors. Now since I'm a finite thing and Shango is an infinite thing. If I say Shango doesn't exist, then what I'm saying is finite existence is greater than infinite existence consequently, Shango does exist. Thus Shango is the black man and God is the white man and Shango and God are equal. Olodumare made the universe and he made Shango and God equal. Thus the natural structure of this universe is a black man made it.

The mystical instate

I have thus discovered two new categories, Olodumare and the mystical instate. Instate is that category wherein exist the mystical powers our ancestors wielded. The traditional African Medicine man or philosopher wields this mystical power and it is wielded, moreover, by those wise in the ways of Olodumare. Thus the mystical power exist it is in the mystical instate. Indeed, Aristotle posited ten categories such as quantity, quality, relation, place, possession, posture, action, time, passion, and substance. Since we are black we have to rearranged these categories. The categories now are olodumare, quality, quantity, relation, possession, passion, posture, place, time, action, and instate. God doesn't have mystic power it is a law of the universe. Shango has the mystical power because Olodumare is the first cause. Olodumare has A priori knowledge of this mystical power wield through the finite State. If there is disharmony between the two States this mystical power becomes corrupt!


Doctrine of immortality

Since man is two States in one and Olodumare is the human mind then the mind has always existed. Since the finite State is the infinite State whereas the finite is illusory and the infinite is real if the finite ends the infinite State is reality. Thus our doctrine of immortality is proved since man is two States in one.

There is a brief outline of my philosophy. And that is the secret of this universe. God doesn't have mystic power! For we see what the Wizard of Oz is. It is an allegory about the condition of the white man, he is a God and he ain't got no mystic power!

[AfroNinpo]

Due to the fact that finite existence is FINITE, would your theory be considered temporary?

[rebelAfrika]

Greetings Johnny Destiny. Just so you know, I am an African and a philosophy student.

I read your outline and I liked what I read. One of the main things that stood out to me though, was when you said...

Originally Posted by Johnny Destiny

Since man is two States in one and Olodumare is the human mind then the mind has always existed.

Would you say that you are a dualist? And if so, is this your resolution to the problem of dualism?

That's all I wanted to know.

Forward Ever!

[Johnny Destiny]

Olodumare is the infinite State and Shango is the finite State and infinite State. So I am a duelist, and yes, that does solve the problem of duelism! But my greatest discovery is the mystical instate. Notice I have rearrange Aristotle's categories. And, yes, I am from Trinidad where Shango worship is pronounced.

[rebelAfrika]

Originally Posted by Johnny Destiny

Olodumare is the infinite State and Shango is the finite State and infinite State. So I am a duelist, and yes, that does solve the problem of duelism! But my greatest discovery is the mystical instate. Notice I have rearrange Aristotle's categories. And, yes, I am from Trinidad where Shango worship is pronounced.

Okay. I tend to lean more towards the materialist's arguments than the dualist arguments...but I enjoy it all. And yes I DID notice that you re-arranged Aristotle's catergories. Are you a graduate student in Philosophy? Undergraduate? Independent student? PROFESSOR of Philosophy? Something else? I am asking out of genuine philosophical interest.

[Kweku_Omowale]

in yoruba tradition,shango is warrior, the one that carries out justice and punish his enemies,he is the god of thunder and lightening,metaphysically speaking,shango does exist,not too long ago,in toronto ontario,a plane that was flying from france,landed in the highway 401,it was major thunderstorms,and the plain,was hit by thunder and lightening,also in afrikan spirituality,he will also punish those who are doing spells or curses on people,the electrical vault and currency thata lightening carries,can quickly decipate and turn somebody in toa vapour,along with shango,comes one of his woman,oya,godess of the winds.assante sane

[IfasehunReincarnated]

Sango is a deified Egun (Ancestor) that was elevated to Orisa status upon his death became united with a preexisting Orisa Jakuta. Sango was an Alafin (King).

Kawo Kabiyesile, etala mo júbÃ*, gadagba a júbÃ*.
Oluoyo, Etala mo júbÃ*, gadagba a júbÃ*.
Oba ko so, etala mo júbÃ*, gadagba a júbÃ*.
Ase!

Hail to the Chief, It is thirteen times that I salute you.
Chief of Oyo, It is thirteen times that I salute you.
The Chief who has not died, it is thirteen times that salute you.
May it be so!

Despite this fact he is considered to have been here since the beginning of time because he incorporated into that original energy (Jakuta)

You say:

Thus Shango is the black man and God is the white man and Shango and God are equal. Olodumare made the universe and he made Shango and God equal. Thus the natural structure of this universe is a black man made it.

Sango and God are not equal. The White God and Sango are not the same kind of thing, nor do they purport to be of the same origin. While the consecrated initiates of Sango can harness and use specific faculties that belong to Divinity, followers of God can't even be sure if their prayers are answered. Who worships a God that they can't even be sure is listening??

Its for this reason that I would agree with your ultimate conclusion that God is essentially a "wizard of oz". I have always said that Black people exist not because of God/Allah, but in spite of him. Our spirituality is rooted in science. God is rooted in religious terrorism.

However, Sango is a part of the whole. That is, all Orisa are piece of the original - Olodumare. They are aspects of Olodumare's identity, broken apart of the purposes of experiencing Creation through various sensations. In the function of Orisa, Sango and others like Osun and Oduduwa act as intermediaries between Olodumare and other aspects of Creation - like Man, who considered the same likeness of Olodumare, but to a lesser degree. Sango, like other Orisa maintain a consistent, unwavering and more disciplined awareness of their true identity than Man. In fact the minute we choose Man as our primary identity we are reminded of why Sango and other Orisa are more advanced than us. Our True Self faciltates our Africanity, not the other way around.

I know I am not the only person here that has received the spiritual Ase of Sango. Hoping * a special person * will choose to share more about her crowned Orisa!


Sango Ose
For those that have received the consecreated shrine of Sango, the Ose is a powerful spiritual tool that not only symbolized justice, strength, leadership and truth it invokes it!

A very good book that provides interesting insight in Traditional Sango worship and spirituality is: Voice of Thunder/Eyes of Fire: In Search of Shango in the African Disaspora by David Welch

The author spends time in Nigeria interviewing Sango Priests and devotees extensively and provides firsthand commentary on subjects not before discussed in any english speaking book.

[Johnny Destiny]

I have to say that God doesn't have mystic power. He says he does but he does not. The Wizard of Oz is an allegory for the condition of the white man. He is a God and he ain't got no mystic power! Shango has the mystical power because Olodumare is the first cause. Each race has its own governing structure of the universe. For the black man it is Shango, for the white man it is God, for the Hindu it is Brahman, for the Arab it is Allah, for the chinaman it is the Tao, etc, etc,

Why is Shango equal to God, because all are equal in the finite State. If Olodumare comes into this universe he's equal to anyone. Again, all are equal in the finite State.

[Johnny Destiny]

The Metaphysics of Shango and the philosophy of Olodumare


So we see what has been happening with the black race. Since Religion is before philosophy in the black world, black people have been horror of horrors worshipping the white man, Thinking he's got mystic power.

God doesn't have mystic power To wield mystic power he's got to come into the finite State and when he comes in he cannot. Why? Because the natural structure of this universe is a black man made it. White men are dissembling, or even worse they are lying, saying they've got mystic power. God doesn't have mystic power Shango has the mystical power because Olodumare is the first cause.

[Johnny Destiny]

The structure of Shango in the Metaphysics

I have to point out that Shango is not a God! This term is applicable to Europeans, they are Gods and Goddesses. Shango is a first principle. That means he's a Philosopher, a metaphysician, thinker, that is why he has mystical power! I have often said God doesn't have mystic power White men cannot wield mystical power in this universe! Impossible, it cannot happen.

Again, how could God create the universe when he ain't got no mystic power! Shango has the mystical power because Olodumare is the first cause. And, Olodumare ain't got no mystic power neither. He created the universe through the point of view of immortal Shango, and he used up everything. Why? Because the universe is infinite. To do anything, he has to come in as a finite thing, and since a black man made the universe, he can only wield mystical power when he comes in as a black man!

I will repeat it, over and over, GOD DOESN'T HAVE MYSTIC POWER.

The mystical power that Shango wields exist. It is in the mystical instate.

That is why I have rearranged Aristotle's categories. Substance is out instate and Olodumare is in!

The Aristotlian categories now are olodumare, quality, quantity, relation, possession, passion, posture, place, time, action, and instate!

Revolution! Revolution!

[Johnny Destiny]

rebelafrika,
I am autodidact in Philosophy. I was trained by Olodumare himself!

[G.O.D.F.A.T.H.A.]

OLODUMARE/OLORUN: Top Sky King of Yoruba in Nigeria. He's the God of Peace, Justice and the Yoruba way.


But he's especially good at passing the buck. His wonderful blueprints for planet Earth were so amazingly ambitious, he prudently decided to delegate the job to someone else. So he summoned OBATALA, handed over the Chicken of Creation and told him to get on with it.

This led to all kinds of embarrassing complications before life as we know it was achieved. See OBATALA's entry for the whole story.

As Top God, OLORUN's fame has spread as far afield as the Caribbean. But rumors persist that he's secretly married to OLOKUN. Some even claim that he leads a secret double life as windy YANSAN. You can't trust eveything you hear. Perhaps we should ask his trusty messenger ELEGUA.

[G.O.D.F.A.T.H.A.]

My uncle is from Nigeria and he always goes to this site to talk to his fellow comrades. http://www.afrikansistahsradio.com/ancestors.htm

[Johnny Destiny]

The Metaphysics of Shango!

G.O.D.F.A.T.H.E.R.

I must repeat this since it is so important, Olodumare/Olorun is not a God! He is the head orisha. The white man is a God and his woman is a Goddess, and they ain't got no Mystic power! Like your name! Your mind is sneared by the cunning white man.

Shango is not a God! He's a first principle, a philosopher, a metaphysician, a thinker, that's why he has mystical powers. Ogun is an Orisha The Orisha of war and iron!

And one of the founding doctrines of Shangoism is to overturn the government of the United States. It's over for those Gods. They aint' got no mystic power!

revolution!

[Johnny Destiny]

What are the crimes of the white race that God. They tormented the budhha South East Asian, they colonized Brahman the Hindu, they atomized Shinto the Japanese, they wiped out the Great Spirit, the plains indians, they tormented Quatzolcoat the Aztecs, they blasted Pele the polynesian, they cremated Yahwah, the jew, they tormented Allah the arab, they blasted the Sikh, they molested the Tao, the chinaman and They enslaved Shango, the black man.

They have been marching back and forth for centuries slaughtering people and then they are going to say they've got mystic power! They ain't got no mystic power. God doesn't have mystic power! Shango has themystical power because Olodumare is the first cause The white race is the enemy of this universe!

This universe was not made with a big bang, it was made mystically and since Shango has the mystical power then he must be the author of it!