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    Farrakhan Vs Elijah/the Real Nation Of Islam

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    by , 02-18-2013 at 11:48 AM (864 Views)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordecai_7 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ShakaZulu View Post
    Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of The Very Merciful, The All Merciful. Peace, Mordecai_7.

    The Honorable Elijah Muhammad PBUH, taught from The Noble Qur'an. This is His religion, PBUH. When you're a baby, you eat baby food, you don't eat meat when you haven't the teeth to chew with. He, PBUH taught what the brothers and sisters, could understand. He, PBUH, expected that you (all) would grow, progress, advance, not stand still, as if stagnated.

    This is not clear. Please elaborate.

    As I stated in my first reply, The Honorable Elijah Muhammad, PBUH, gave the teachings that could be readily comprehended. If I understand you correctly, you are saying that you have acquired sufficient training in both the Bible and Al-Qur'an. But, if this be true, where does the notion that Allah is a clay person come from? Such is not found in Al-Qur'an.

    You will have to help me here. When did "Elijah," refer to Himself, PBUH, as Ahmad? What prophecies (?), or, "prophetic meaning" in Al-Qur'an are you referring to?

    Say: I take refuge in Allah from Satan the accursed, rejected.

    In The Name of Allah The Very Merciful, The All Merciful

    47: 1. Those who reject Allah and hinder (men) from the Path of Allah,- their deeds will Allah render astray (from their mark).
    47: 2. But those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and believe in the (Revelation) sent down to Muhammad - for it is the Truth from their Lord,- He will remove from them their ills and improve their condition.
    47: 3. This because those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the Truth from their Lord: Thus does Allah set forth for men their lessons by similitudes. Yusuf Ali's Quran Translation

    Again: "Jesus answered: 'Philip, God is a good without which there is naught good; God is a being without which there is naught that is; God is a life without which there is naught that liveth; so great that he filleth all and is everywhere. He alone hath no equal. He hath had no beginning, nor will he ever have an end, but to everything hath he given a beginning, and to everything shall he give an end. He hath no father nor mother; he hath no sons. nor brethren. nor companions. And because God hath no body, therefore he eateth not, sleepeth not, dieth not, walketh not, moveth not, but abideth eternally without human similitude, for that he is incorporeal, uncompounded, immaterial, of the most simple substance."

    "He is so good that he loveth goodness only; he is so just that when he punisheth or pardoneth it cannot be gainsaid. In short, I say unto thee, Philip, that here on earth thou canst not see him nor know him perfectly; but in his kingdom thou shalt see him for ever: wherein consisteth all our happiness and glory."

    Chapter 119
    "Then, Jesus being silent, the disciples answered: "No one would exercise himself in any way other than in making gold and sugar." Then Jesus said: "Now why does not man change foolish story-telling into prayer? Is time, perhaps, given him by God that he may offend God? For what prince would give a city to his subject in order that the latter might make war upon him? As God lives, if man knew after what manner the soul is transformed by vain talking he would sooner bite off his tongue with his teeth than talk. O wretched world! for today men do not assemble together for prayer, but in the porches of the Temple and in the very Temple itself Satan; has there the sacrifice of vain talk, and that which is worse of things which I cannot talk of without shame."

    Chapter 120
    "The fruit of vain talking is this, that it weakens the intellect in such wise that it is not ready to receive the truth; even as a horse accustomed to carry but one ounce of cottonflock cannot carry an hundred pounds of stone."

    Jesus answered: "You have your heart so heavy that I am not able to lift it up. Hence in every word it is necessary that I should tell you the meaning. But give thanks to God, who has given you grace to know the mysteries of God. I do not say that the penitent should sell his talking, but I say that when he talks he should think that he is casting forth gold.* For indeed, so doing, even as gold is spent on necessary things, so he will talk [only] when it is necessary to talk. And just as no one spends gold on a thing which shall cause hurt to his body, so let him not talk of a thing that may cause hurt to his soul." The Gospel of Barnabas

    I assumed nothing of the kind. As I said in an earlier post, you can be [or, call yourself] what ever you desire. But, know that you and those with you are on a crooked path, that is leading you (all), to destruction. Allah will not be played with! I have posted the truth, about HIM, Blessed Is HE, Forevermore, - in my post here and in previous posts, above. You want to call someone else 'hypocrite' when in fact, it is trailing yourself and those who believe as you do. Beware, of the charlatan.

    I pray for your sake's that your new Islam, does not arise. And that you witness to the truth, as your sin may already be unpardonable. If I had heard "Elijah," refer to Himself as Ahmad, then the onus would be on me and those whom have the same understanding as I do.

    Nevertheless, I must leave it there, because it appears that you are not about to change from your vain and dishonorable talk regarding your LORD. So, I am not permitted to continue this conversation.

    Peace. ShakaZulu

    This dialogue is becoming reminescent of 1976, with the exception of the fact that we are not particularly being hostile or violent toward each other. In 1976, there was an argument over who had the right Islam between the followers of Warith and those who stuck with the teachings of THEM (PBUH) like I did. Through that personal experience, I found that my belief was only made stronger, as was the same for the person I argued with. It changed nothing and it was counterproductive overall.

    You ask the same questions over & over in different forms, and I keep giving you the same answers. You attempt to obfuscate the dialogue when you get stuck, and you really are not sounding like you are very intelligent in terms of knowing your religion or anyone else's. However, I will answer you:

    I. If you think the teachings of THEM (PBUH) are "baby food" and so-called orthodox Islam is "stake," that is your opinion, and nothing more.

    II. Since your mind set is adverse to what I believe, it may be a waste of my energy to explain. But I will say this... when you understand scriptural identities in the bible you understand those same identities in the Qur'an.

    III. When you say "clay person," I assume you mean a "human being." And, as I explained to you before, the Qur'an refers to Allah as HE, I and WE. That is where THE NOTION as you call it comes from. A spirit having no material being cannot be referred to as HE, as I, or as WE. How do you call a SPOOK GOD "He" and "Him?" How do you ascribe pronouns pertaining to a MAN to an immaterial being ??? You sound like the so-called negros in Christian church.

    IV. The "prophetic meaning" of Qur'an 61:6 clearly has nothing to do with Muhammad of 1,400 years ago (PBUH). THEM (PBUH) referred to himself as Ahmad when he told the so-called negro here in the wilderness of North America that he was the Messenger of Allah. No other Muhammad of The Children of Israel has come after Jesus.

    V. The verses you cite come from Sura 47 (Muhammad). These verses are about Muhammad of 1,400 years ago. They have nothing to do with Ahmad.

    VI. Chapter 119 is merely your opinion, as is Chapter 120.

    VII. I am well aware of charlatans. As for the hypocrisy you place on me and my divine family, you must be accusing us of being dishonest and deceitful. The Qur'an tells me HYPOCRITES are DISHONEST and DECEITFUL.

    Now then, I will point out to you 4-ways that so-called orthodox Islam parallels Christianity:

    1. Both religions believe in a spirit (spook) god;

    2. Both religions are slave-making religions, and both religions enslaved Afrikans from which we descend;

    3. Both religions do not afford their ex-slaves full equality with their former slave master, or his children; and

    4. Arabism is synonomous to White Supremacy.

    You remind me of a so-called negro Christian struggling for acceptance in a religion/society that will never embrace you, except to the extent that you serve it's purpose(s). And, like a so-called negro Christian, you are offended by the Truth because you are brainwashed---thinking you are someone, or something, other than your own True Self. Your failure or refusal to accept your own and be yourself is rooted in the hatred of Self. You think so-called orthodox Islam is cure-all to racism, injustice, and inequality. It is not. Why ??? Because the Arabs are not following the Qur'an unless it is to their advantage so to do, which, leaves you and those like you at a very distinct disadvantage---just like the so-called negro Christians. Arabs dont like Black People. What makes you think they will treat you or anyone like you fairly and justly in their religion ????


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