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    Farrakhan Vs Elijah/the Real Nation Of Islam

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    by , 02-18-2013 at 11:55 AM (603 Views)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShakaZulu View Post
    Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. Peace.

    I cannot prove or disprove to you, that The Honorable Elijah Muhammad, PBUH, was whom He, PBUH, claimed to be. I heard Him, PBUH, say that He, is the Messenger of Allah. I will not deny Him, PBUH. He taught the so-called negro, here in America, what makes you think that I cannot accept that?

    I pray that you and those with you can comprehend the following verses: Say, I take refuge in Allah from Satan the accursed, rejected.

    007.138 We took the Children of Israel (with safety) across the sea. They came upon a people devoted entirely to some idols they had. They said: "O Moses! fashion for us a god like unto the gods they have." He said: "Surely ye are a people without knowledge.

    007.139 "As to these folk,- the cult they are in is (but) a fragment of a ruin, and vain is the (worship) which they practise." Al-Qur'an, 007.138-139 (Al-Araf [The Heights])

    Of course He, PBUH taught from Al-Qur'an. However, when did The Honorable Elijah Muhammad (PBUH), say that He, PBUH was given, The Holy Qur'an, that it was sent down to Him, PBUH? When did He, PBUH say that He, was accused of having forged, The Noble Qur'an? How do the following verses pertain to The Honorable Elijah Muhammad (PBUH)?

    46: 7. When Our Clear Signs are rehearsed to them, the Unbelievers say, of the Truth when it comes to them: "This is evident sorcery!"

    46. 7:
    C4780. When the truth is actually brought to their doors, they call it sorcery! Cf. xxxvii. 12-15, and n. 4042.
    Yusuf Ali's Commentary from QuranTrans

    46: 8. Or do they say, "He has forged it"? Say: "Had I forged it, then can ye obtain no single (blessing) for me from Allah. He knows best of that whereof ye talk (so glibly)! Enough is He for a witness between me and you! And he is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." Yusuf Ali's Quran Translation

    46. 8:
    C4781. 'If I forged a message from myself as one purporting to come from Allah, you would not be able to see me enjoy any of the blessings from Allah which I enjoy: you would not see me calm and relying on Allah, nor would you see me bear the reputation of being a trustworthy man. A liar comes to an evil end. But what about those who talk so glibly and freely about things which they knows not? Allah knows all and He is my witness! According to Ibn Kathir, the verse means that if the Prophet's claim to be Allah's messenger would have been a false one, he would have been stricken by a severe punishment from Allah and none had the power to avert that punishment.
    Yusuf Ali's Commentary from QuranTrans

    37:18. Say thou: "Yea, and ye shall then be humiliated (on account of your evil)." Yusuf Ali's Quran Translation

    61: 6. And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!" Yusuf Ali's Quran Translation

    Now, you've stated that correctly!

    I have explained whom Ahmad/Muhammad: the praised one, is. You will now have to explain how the above verses, pertain to The Honorable Elijah Muhammad, PBUH. When you've done so, then get back to me. Thanks. And, of course you have the right to be whom so ever you desire.

    Peace. ShakaZulu

    FIRST: If you could accept The Last & Greatest Messenger of Allah being whom he said he was, then you could accept his religion. You do not accept it, yet, you know he taught the so-called Negro here in the wilderness hell of North America. You must assume WE were taught by someone of a lesser stature than that of a Prophet.

    SECOND: The first two verses of The Qur'an that you mention are relative to The Children of Israel insofar as Aaron of the book (Minister Farrakhan) led them astray with false teaching. That false teaching is that The Honorable Elijah Muhammad, (Peace Be Upon Him) is The Exalted Christ.

    THIRD: The Honorable Elijah Muhammad (PBUH) never stated that he was givn the Qur'an. The Qur'an was revealed to verify the truth of that which came before it. HE DID SAY: " The bible is the graveyard of my people, therein we were lost and therein we must be found." All those who turned from The Nation and went with Warith D. Muhammad into so-called orthodox-Islam complained that the Qur'an sat on the shelf and collected dust. It did not make sense to teach extensively from the Qur'an back then because we did not understand the bible. It would not make anymore sense to pick the Qur'an up and be just as lost in that as we were in the bible.

    Of course, he was never accused of having forged the Qur'an. You and I both know that Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (PBUH) and Ahmad of 61:6 are not one and the same. THESE ARE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MUHAMMAD'S. Again, you are trying to inject confusion into TRUTH. What you fail or refuse to understand is that while Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (PBUH) was given The Book, all the prophetic meaning did not pertain solely to him. If you comprehend me as saying that it is "evident sorcery," then so be it. Your judgment doesnt count.


    FIFTH: FOR SOME REASON YOU ARE STILL TRYING TO MAKE MUHAMMAD OF 1,400 YEARS AGO (PBUH) OUT OF AHMAD WHEN YOU HAVE ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT HE WAS AN ARAB AND NOT A JEW . As I have stated before, the Old Islam is going to fall with the Old World and its belief in a Spirit God/Allah, and people like yourself are going to fight Truth to preserve it as long as you can. In fact, Armegeddon is essentialy the last battle between the (false) spirit god and the (true and living) Man-God, whose proper name is Allah.

    SIXTH: You assume that we call ourselves The Children of Israel out of expediency, or perhaps even out of the false assumption of the identity of another people, as did the (imposter) Jew who currently occupies Palestine. We were identified by God/Allah In Person.

    SEVENTH: You know Muhammad (PBUH) and Ahmad are not the same, so you are diligently fighting the rise of the "New Islam..." Just like a Christian in a crusade.


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