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    Farrakhan Vs Elijah/the Real Nation Of Islam

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    by , 02-18-2013 at 11:56 AM (2840 Views)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShakaZulu View Post
    Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of The Very Merciful, The All Merciful. Peace, Mordecai_7.

    FIRST: If you could accept The Last & Greatest Messenger of Allah being whom he said he was, then you could accept his religion. You do not accept it, yet, you know he taught the so-called Negro here in the wilderness hell of North America. You must assume WE were taught by someone of a lesser stature than that of a Prophet.
    The Honorable Elijah Muhammad PBUH, taught from The Noble Qur'an. This is His religion, PBUH. When you're a baby, you eat baby food, you don't eat meat when you haven't the teeth to chew with. He, PBUH taught what the brothers and sisters, could understand. He, PBUH, expected that you (all) would grow, progress, advance, not stand still, as if stagnated.

    SECOND: The first two verses of The Qur'an that you mention are relative to The Children of Israel insofar as Aaron of the book (Minister Farrakhan) led them astray with false teaching. That false teaching is that The Honorable Elijah Muhammad, (Peace Be Upon Him) is The Exalted Christ.
    This is not clear. Please elaborate.

    THIRD: The Honorable Elijah Muhammad (PBUH) never stated that he was givn the Qur'an. The Qur'an was revealed to verify the truth of that which came before it. HE DID SAY: " The bible is the graveyard of my people, therein we were lost and therein we must be found." All those who turned from The Nation and went with Warith D. Muhammad into so-called orthodox-Islam complained that the Qur'an sat on the shelf and collected dust. It did not make sense to teach extensively from the Qur'an back then because we did not understand the bible. It would not make anymore sense to pick the Qur'an up and be just as lost in that as we were in the bible.
    As I stated in my first reply, The Honorable Elijah Muhammad, PBUH, gave the teachings that could be readily comprehended. If I understand you correctly, you are saying that you have acquired sufficient training in both the Bible and Al-Qur'an. But, if this be true, where does the notion that Allah is a clay person come from? Such is not found in Al-Qur'an.

    Of course, he was never accused of having forged the Qur'an. You and I both know that Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (PBUH) and Ahmad of 61:6 are not one and the same. THESE ARE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MUHAMMAD'S. Again, you are trying to inject confusion into TRUTH. What you fail or refuse to understand is that while Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (PBUH) was given The Book, all the "prophetic meaning" did not pertain solely to him. If you comprehend me as saying that it is "evident sorcery," then so be it. Your judgment doesnt count.
    You will have to help me here. When did "Elijah," refer to Himself, PBUH, as Ahmad? What prophecies (?), or, "prophetic meaning" in Al-Qur'an are you referring to?

    Say: I take refuge in Allah from Satan the accursed, rejected.

    In The Name of Allah The Very Merciful, The All Merciful

    47: 1. Those who reject Allah and hinder (men) from the Path of Allah,- their deeds will Allah render astray (from their mark).
    47: 2. But those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and believe in the (Revelation) sent down to Muhammad - for it is the Truth from their Lord,- He will remove from them their ills and improve their condition.
    47: 3. This because those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the Truth from their Lord: Thus does Allah set forth for men their lessons by similitudes. Yusuf Ali's Quran Translation

    Again: "Jesus answered: 'Philip, God is a good without which there is naught good; God is a being without which there is naught that is; God is a life without which there is naught that liveth; so great that he filleth all and is everywhere. He alone hath no equal. He hath had no beginning, nor will he ever have an end, but to everything hath he given a beginning, and to everything shall he give an end. He hath no father nor mother; he hath no sons. nor brethren. nor companions. And because God hath no body, therefore he eateth not, sleepeth not, dieth not, walketh not, moveth not, but abideth eternally without human similitude, for that he is incorporeal, uncompounded, immaterial, of the most simple substance."

    "He is so good that he loveth goodness only; he is so just that when he punisheth or pardoneth it cannot be gainsaid. In short, I say unto thee, Philip, that here on earth thou canst not see him nor know him perfectly; but in his kingdom thou shalt see him for ever: wherein consisteth all our happiness and glory."

    FIFTH: FOR SOME REASON YOU ARE STILL TRYING TO MAKE MUHAMMAD OF 1,400 YEARS AGO (PBUH) OUT OF AHMAD WHEN YOU HAVE ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT HE WAS AN ARAB AND NOT A JEW . As I have stated before, the Old Islam is going to fall with the Old World and its belief in a Spirit God/Allah, and people like yourself are going to fight Truth to preserve it as long as you can. In fact, Armegeddon is essentialy the last battle between the (false) spirit god and the (true and living) Man-God, whose proper name is Allah.

    Chapter 119
    "Then, Jesus being silent, the disciples answered: "No one would exercise himself in any way other than in making gold and sugar." Then Jesus said: "Now why does not man change foolish story-telling into prayer? Is time, perhaps, given him by God that he may offend God? For what prince would give a city to his subject in order that the latter might make war upon him? As God lives, if man knew after what manner the soul is transformed by vain talking he would sooner bite off his tongue with his teeth than talk. O wretched world! for today men do not assemble together for prayer, but in the porches of the Temple and in the very Temple itself Satan; has there the sacrifice of vain talk, and that which is worse of things which I cannot talk of without shame."

    Chapter 120
    "The fruit of vain talking is this, that it weakens the intellect in such wise that it is not ready to receive the truth; even as a horse accustomed to carry but one ounce of cottonflock cannot carry an hundred pounds of stone."

    Jesus answered: "You have your heart so heavy that I am not able to lift it up. Hence in every word it is necessary that I should tell you the meaning. But give thanks to God, who has given you grace to know the mysteries of God. I do not say that the penitent should sell his talking, but I say that when he talks he should think that he is casting forth gold.* For indeed, so doing, even as gold is spent on necessary things, so he will talk [only] when it is necessary to talk. And just as no one spends gold on a thing which shall cause hurt to his body, so let him not talk of a thing that may cause hurt to his soul." The Gospel of Barnabas

    SIXTH: You assume that we call ourselves The Children of Israel out of expediency, or perhaps even out of the false assumption of the identity of another people, as did the (imposter) Jew who currently occupies Palestine. We were identified by God/Allah In Person.
    I assumed nothing of the kind. As I said in an earlier post, you can be [or, call yourself] what ever you desire. But, know that you and those with you are on a crooked path, that is leading you (all), to destruction. Allah will not be played with! I have posted the truth, about HIM, Blessed Is HE, Forevermore, - in my post here and in previous posts, above. You want to call someone else 'hypocrite' when in fact, it is trailing yourself and those who believe as you do. Beware, of the charlatan.

    SEVENTH: You know Muhammad (PBUH) and Ahmad are not the same, so you are diligently fighting the rise of the "New Islam..." Just like a Christian in a crusade.
    I pray for your sake's that your new Islam, does not arise. And that you witness to the truth, as your sin may already be unpardonable. If I had heard "Elijah," refer to Himself as Ahmad, then the onus would be on me and those whom have the same understanding as I do.

    Nevertheless, I must leave it there, because it appears that you are not about to change from your vain and dishonorable talk regarding your LORD. So, I am not permitted to continue this conversation.


    Peace. ShakaZulu

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