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The Homosexual Movement: A Mass Conditioning Exercise

The Homosexual Movement: A Mass Conditioning Exercise

One of the most pervasive and perverse mass conditioning exercises in recent years is the lowering of tolerance for homosexuality that gradually desensitized the minds of the people to perversion.

It was a “planned psychological attack” primarily orchestrated by two homosexual social scientists and activists from Harvard, Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen who wrote a homosexual manifesto in their book “After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90’s” The authors predicted Americans would be “cured” of their opposition to homosexual perversion, “whether they like it or not.”

In order for a new neonazi fascist state to be imposed the current culture has to be broken down, replaced, corrupted. Not that this society was ever very morally hospitable to Black people anyway but the principle is our focus here.

People are being made to believe that this is an alternative life style or that one is born that way. It is being suggested to people that they are gay through propaganda the same way a doctor suggests to someone that they need an operation when they really don’t.

These men and women are not that way by nature. If that were true, the world could never have been populated. It is a psychological/sociological issue. It is circumstances that make people susceptible, then some one or some form of propaganda suggests to them that they are homosexual.

One recent study that may make men susceptible may lie in the toxic chemical make up of some plastics. Polycaronate used for most clear plastic bottles particularly baby bottles, when heated release bisphenol-A (BPA) which is a hormone disruptor that imitates the female hormone estradiol.

These estrogen imitators in BPA known as xenoestrogens also crop up in industrial waste, meat, soap, pesticides, car exhaust, gurniture paneling, and carpeting. The CDC reports that BPA is present in the urine of 95% of Americans tested.

The recycle pyramid symbols that appear on the bottom of every plastic container each have a corresponding number. Four of seven categories have no known health risks presently. These categories are: #1 PET or PETE (polyethylene terephthalate), #2 HDPE (High-density polyethylene), #4 LDPE (Low-density polyethylene), and #5 PP (Polypropylene). The categories which have been found to pose health risks, BPA, breast & testicular cancer etc. are as follows: #3 PVC or Vinyl (Polyvinyl Chloride), #6 PS (Polystyrene) commonly known as Styrofoam, #7 PC (Polycarbonate).

The organized homosexual movement had it’s roots in the Mattachine society founded in 1950 Nov.11 by two Marxists, Harry Hay and Rudi Gernreich. Its primary goal was to encourage the public to view homosexuals as a persecuted minority rather than mental deviants.

An outcome of such a movement that is compatible with neonazi fascism is population and birth control. Both of which received heavy funding from the Rockefeller foundation.

The Rockefellers also financed an earlier work in 1948, 2 years before the first organization, by Alfred Kinsey “The Sexual Behavior in the Human Male” and “The Sexual Behavior in the Human Female.” Kinsey, a sexologist, used his research to suggest that 95% of adult males were actively engaged in some form of deviant sexual behavior.

He also supervised studies involving child molestation. Kinsey, with the help of Rockefeller’s finance, is still one of the most cited sex scientists. It seems that Kinsey’s shocking work opened the door for the first organized movement.
In Feb. 1988, refered to as the war conference, 175 homosexual activists representing different organizations convenend in Warrenton, Virginia where they established a 4 part agenda to force acceptance of homosexual culture into the mainstream American culture.

For example the use of the term “gay” to detract from the sexual connotation that the use of "homosexual" exposes. In attendance were Kirk and Madsen. They devised the marketing and public relations propaganda, a blueprint that we have seen at work in the areas that touch every American citizen as the blueprint suggests, in government, education, organized religion, the media, and the workplace.

The latest homosexual propaganda perpetrated against the black community to foster mistrust, suspicion, and destruction of the traditional Black family structure is the down low brother stories/rumors.

There may be some down low people out there but the suggestion in the media, like the Oprah Winfrey Show, is that it is epidemic and a major cause in the rise of aids cases among Black women. This has caused a great degee of paranoia among Black women and an uneccessary stigma placed over Black men.

And because the Black media does almost no investigative journalism only press releases, our community accepted this as a significant threat in our community.

In 2003 the New York Times magazine, the Washington Post, and the Chicago Sun Times published stories saying Black men are on the down low or having sex with men and women and contributing to the spread of HIV/AIDS.

These stories are the source of this speculation. In these articles it sites the data from the Young Mens Survey (YMS), a study by Dr. Linda A. Valleroy of the CDC. She has disputed the use of her data in these articles to perpetrate this idea.

In her interviews she states her study was not about so called black men on the “down low”. It was about gay men going to gay bars. Valleroy did not dispute that there are people who have a down low lifestyle, but that it has never been studied and the percentage of men who had sex with both sexes in her survey was small.

“ How prevalent it is I don’t know.” “Nobody knows how prevalent it is, but its in novels, its in rap music, and its on Oprah,”she said. The perpetrators of these articles were, Benoit Denizet-Lewis/NY Times Magazine, Jose Antonio Vargas/Washington Post, and Cheryl Jackson/Chicago Sun Times. (CDC prevention news update 8/25/04.

Quoted from Gay City News article 8/19/04 “Down Low Goes Down” (hopefully no pun intended). The question now is can this barely publicized story ever hope to catch the lie that has already been perpetrated?
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i kno its a GRIP of homosexual females, but the males are more low key...got more ego i guess n gotta look ''hard'' nah mean

i really think that gay shyt is to make us have less kids, it dont seem natural to me at all. i didnt know what gay way till my mother told me around 11 or 12. i thought 2 grown men living together were jus homies or room mates not LOVERS, it never came to me as a realisitic possibility. just seem azz backwards to me
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Homosexuality is natural. There isn't a thing wrong with it at all. I fully support it and those who do not need to do some research and actually speak to homosexuals. Why is it that heterosexuals with little to no real experience with homosexuals think they are experts on homosexuality?
no different than whites thinking they know everything about Blacks and tryna speak for us.
ridiculous. get it together. get your minds right.
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HOMOSEXUALITY
THE COST TO SOCIETY

by MUHAMMED A. ASADI

Of all topics most popular in today's media, issues concerning homosexuals and homosexuality in general top the list. Homosexuality is generally defined as a sexual relationship between partners of the same sex. Debate concerning its causes and consequences has been going on for many centuries and almost in every period in human history. However, never before in human history has it been granted such wide scale acceptance in western society as it has now. The question that I seek to answer in this paper is whether such wide scale acceptance should in fact be granted to homosexual behavior? Is such behavior rational, scientifically functional or is it actually detrimental to the high level of civilization that we've achieved?

I) THE SCIENTIFIC PERSPECTIVE:

Scientifically speaking, sex is a means to an end. The end being the propagation of the human race. This end can never be fulfilled by sex between males (in the case of gays) or between females (in the case of lesbians). Therefore, the general conclusion is that homosexuality is irrational and illogical.

If we consider the construction of the bodies of the male and female, what is noticed at once is that the construction of a body of a male (the penis and the anus- i.e no vagina) does not accommodate having sex with another male. Nor does the construction of a body of a female (no penis, a vagina) accommodate sex with another female. What is obvious to common sense is that the construction and location of specific sexual organs in the bodies of a male and a female accommodate sex between a male and a female and not among members of the same sex. Therefore, the conclusion once again is that homosexuality is an unnatural and an irrational behavior.

The case with birth control is different to the "cause effect" argument above [this point was brought up in my meeting in class with the SMSU (Southwest Missouri State) Gay Lesbian Alliance]. Birth control is simply the further delaying or prevention of a naturally occurring delaying process. The egg (ovum), which when fertilized develops into a zygote, which then eventually develops into the fetus, is released in the female's body in a specific period of time and pregnancy is caused only if a sperm fuses with the egg in that specific time period. If the egg is not fertilized during that period, then the cycle in humans ends in menstruation (Encyclopedia Britannica, vol 26, Macropaedia 701-703)

II) THE PSYCHOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVE:

It was clearly recognized by experts who were objective and unprejudiced, that psychologically speaking homosexuality is an abnormal behavior. However large scale lobbying by homosexuals and certain psychologists brought in biases into this scientific field of inquiry and hence the truth got masked and the results are stated below:

"Before 1973 the DSM [Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders] listed homosexuality as a sexual disorder. Protests by gay activist groups and many psychotherapists eventually led to its elimination from the manual as a sexual disorder per se, but the DSM did retain a category called "ego dystotic homosexuality- the feeling of extreme distress over one's homosexual preference". DSM III R has dropped even this category, and the issue of homosexuality is no longer mentioned (Comer 480)."

"Until the early 1970's the U.S psychiatric establishment classified homosexuality as a mental illness, but that designation was dropped amid increased political activity and efforts by homosexuals to be seen as individuals exercising different sexual preferences rather than aberrant personalities (Encyclopedia Britannica, vol 6, 31)."

Homosexuality is proven to be a learned behavior according to experiments with clinical cases of intersexuality. At puberty, the individuals in question were "generally attracted to the sex opposite to their sex of rearing [even if it be opposite to their genetic sex of males, having X Y chromosomes and females both X chromosomes] This suggests that sexual orientation is primarily established in post natal experiences (Encyclopedia Britannica, vol 27, 247)

There has however been great debate concerning the nature versus nurture question concerning homosexuality:

i) Brain Difference: The most recent one seems to indicate a certain difference in certain parts of the brains of homosexual people. What has however not been resolved is whether such difference in the brains was the cause or the effect of homosexual behavior. Further many people in the sample studied had Aids and Aids in its later stages affects the brain. Therefore no strong conclusions can scientifically be drawn from such a study.

ii) Hormonal Differences: when hormones are artificially altered in female animal's bodies [introducing excess androgen prenatally] it makes them behave more like males even showing mating preference for members of the same sex. (Britannica, vol 27 ,248-249).

The same source however, also narrates that changing the hormone level postnatally does not mean that sexual preference for partners will change. The only thing that will change will be the arousal level.

Therefore, based on the above, I believe I can justifiably conclude that abnormal sexual preference even when it becomes "normal" to a particular individual due to abnormal circumstances like the above, can be controlled. If every male took his sexual desires towards every attractive female to their conclusion, you can well imagine the galloping rate of rapes in this or any other society. Just because certain individuals experience sexual desires towards members of the same sex, because something went wrong somewhere, does not at all mean that they should engage in homosexual behavior or that their behavior be accepted without question or search for a solution.

The same source however, also narrates that changing the hormone level postnatally does not mean that sexual preference for partners will change. The only thing that will change will be the arousal level.

Therefore, based on the above, I believe I can justifiably conclude that abnormal sexual preference even when it becomes "normal" to a particular individual due to abnormal circumstances like the above can be controlled. If every male took his sexual desires towards every attractive female to their conclusion, you can well imagine the galloping rate of rapes in this or any other society. Just because certain individuals experience sexual desires towards members of the same sex, because something went wrong somewhere, does not at all mean that they should engage in homosexual behavior or that their behavior be accepted without question or search for a solution.

iii) The Gay Gene: Even though many "political" efforts have been made by gays to attribute sexual orientation to the infamous "gay gene," nothing conclusive has been found. The study that is cited has fallen our of favor due to the biased nature of the sample and its taking into account only gay men and not lesbians.

1) From psychiatrist Jeffrey Satinover, M.D.:

"Like all complex behavioral and mental states, homosexuality is...neither exclusively biological nor exclusively psychological, but results from an as-yet-difficult-to-quantitate mixture of genetic factors, intrauterine influences...postnatal environment (such as parent, sibling and cultural behavior), and a complex series of repeatedly reinforced choices occurring at critical phases of development." --J. Satinover, M.D., Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth (1996). Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books.

2) William Byne, a psychiatrist with a doctorate in biology, and Bruce Parsons (1993) carefully analyzed all the major biological studies of homosexuality. They found none that definitively supported a biological theory of causation. --W. Byne and B. Parsons, "Human Sexual Orientation: The Biologic Theories Reappraised." Archives of General Psychiatry 50, no.3.)

3) Psychiatrists Friedman and Downey state that "a biopsychosocial model" best fits our knowledge of causation, with various combinations of temperament and environmental events leading to homosexuality. They say: "Despite recent neurobiological findings suggesting homosexuality is genetically-biologically determined, credible evidence is lacking for a biological model of homosexuality." --R. Friedman, M.D. and J. Downey, M.D., Journal of Neuropsychiatry, vol. 5, No. 2, Spring l993.

4) From sociologist Steven Goldberg, Ph.D.:

"Virtually all of the evidence argues against there being a determinative physiological causal factor and I know of no researcher who believes that such a determinative factor exists...such factors play a predisposing, not a determinative role...I know of no one in the field who argues that homosexuality can be explained without reference to environmental factors."

I would like to add as a conclusion. If we take the arrow of implication backwards, some people have a predisposition to alcohol, that doesn't mean that they should abuse alcohol and that no therapy is effective.

5) An article on genes and behavior in Science magazine says: "...the interaction of genes and environment is much more complicated than the simple "violence genes" and “intelligence genes" touted in the popular press. Indeed, renewed appreciation of environmental factors is one of the chief effects of the increased belief in genetics' effects on behavior. The same data that show the effects of genes also point to the enormous influence of non-genetic factors." --C. Mann, "Genes and behavior," Science 264:1687 (1994), pp. 1686-1689.

For more information on the "gene" factor this site (from which the above 5 quotes are taken ) is helpful: http://www.narth.com/docs/bornway.html



to read the rest, go here http://www.crescentlife.com/psychiss...osexuality.htm
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aint nuthen natural bout that... not 4 US ne way
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Homosexuality is natural. There isn't a thing wrong with it at all. I fully support it and those who do not need to do some research and actually speak to homosexuals. Why is it that heterosexuals with little to no real experience with homosexuals think they are experts on homosexuality?
no different than whites thinking they know everything about Blacks and tryna speak for us.
ridiculous. get it together. get your minds right.
Whoa...and how is it natural...how did you come with evidence that support your notion of it being natural...you made a blank statment out of defense because you're obviously a homosexual but next time support your claim with evidence that support your argument...but i will tell you can't...1...
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Actually, I'm NOT homosexual. Try asking before ASSuming john p. you only make an ASS out of yourself. Sexuality and all the labels are socially constructed. If being heterosexual was natural, everybody would be heterosexual but obviously it's not.
Again, don't be a ignorant heterosexual tryna speak for homosexuality like you actually have a clue. You make us look bad. Educate your closed minds.
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Homosexuality is natural. There isn't a thing wrong with it at all. I fully support it and those who do not need to do some research and actually speak to homosexuals. Why is it that heterosexuals with little to no real experience with homosexuals think they are experts on homosexuality?
no different than whites thinking they know everything about Blacks and tryna speak for us.
ridiculous. get it together. get your minds right.
If homosexuality was okay, then everyone could do it and survive. Life would not be possible if everyone, which would be only 1 or maybe 2 people, were homosexuals. Amerikkka wanna make laws??? homosexuality should be illegal instead of simply frowned upon. You need to get YOUR mind right, cuz sumthing is definately wrong with your train of thought. Untouchable.... your train of thought is...wayyy in the ground....
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Actually, I'm NOT homosexual. Try asking before ASSuming john p. you only make an ASS out of yourself. Sexuality and all the labels are socially constructed. If being heterosexual was natural, everybody would be heterosexual but obviously it's not.
Again, don't be a ignorant heterosexual tryna speak for homosexuality like you actually have a clue. You make us look bad. Educate your closed minds.
but why would you consider it natural and not be one...i can't understand that...it must not be that natural to you...because if it's natural then by it being natural in your eyes you would take up a same-sex mate...so you have flaws in your argument...define your definition of natural..1...
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and how can i be close minded for not agreeing...come on now...i personally don't care who someone breaking off but i'm just saying let's not force the natural thought on everyone....1....
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Homosexuality is natural. There isn't a thing wrong with it at all. I fully support it and those who do not need to do some research and actually speak to homosexuals. Why is it that heterosexuals with little to no real experience with homosexuals think they are experts on homosexuality?
no different than whites thinking they know everything about Blacks and tryna speak for us.
ridiculous. get it together. get your minds right.
Just understand that your position is not rooted or consistent with your Afrikan legacy. If you are comfortable w/ that, then do you. Everybody doesn't want to be respectful of their own cultural traditions.
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Were you born in Africa? Stop speaking like you are African culture. Homosexuality was prevelant in African societies. It's natural so it was everywhere. Your mind is closed and you are very ignorant. Handle that. You wont be a strong Black man until you do so.
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Homosexuality is natural. There isn't a thing wrong with it at all. I fully support it and those who do not need to do some research and actually speak to homosexuals. Why is it that heterosexuals with little to no real experience with homosexuals think they are experts on homosexuality?
no different than whites thinking they know everything about Blacks and tryna speak for us.
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Sis Untouchable,

Me have a strong sense with this post you are looking for a fight to defend the anti-sexual practice of homosexuality.

First, I will make my position very plain, i am not homosexual, i do not believe homosexuality is natural and i further believe that given the current conditions of Afreekans world-wide, homosexuality as a supported practice will in all likelihood further the genocidal plan of yt. this is all my humble opinion and a belief system which works quite well for me in my daily life. it needs no supporting argument or proof, however, their are many who agree with my position.

Second, I would like to suggest that when you state YOUR position, you make that plain. for example, you could have added "in my opinion" or "what works for me" to your comment that "homosexuality is natural". this blanket statment of yours is leading to where it seems you may not want to be....in a verbal confrontation/fight...or maybe that is what you are looking for.

Third, your finger pointing and insulting comments "get your minds right" were equally uncalled for and again, may lead you to a place you did not come on this board to be.

These are just some thoughts that popped up for me as i viewed this thread.

This is a topic which keeps coming back and my only question of it at this point is "how does the practice and support of homosexual behavior advance the Total Liberation of Afreekans from white world terror domination? HOW?

today for me, its about "First things First"

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Were you born in Africa? Stop speaking like you are African culture. Homosexuality was prevelant in African societies. It's natural so it was everywhere. Your mind is closed and you are very ignorant. Handle that. You wont be a strong Black man until you do so.
Save the drama please. You have the guts to come in here and say that Homosexuality is natural. Homosexualit is Lifestyle. I am an African and it is not natural. Homosexuality is not allowed in Africa, Check your facts right!

Well, let me tell thisThe world can except gays better than blacks.I just looked at you and shook my head in pity.
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