Is the white man the devil?

[Baba Ahmed]

Originally Posted by Escobar

its suppose to mean what is says...

im not a follower of the imamate cult...

Yep that's it: the 12th Imam. Why do u call it a cult? You're aware, I assume, that some Shi'a say that the Sunni do not have "all" of the Qur'an. Or at least I heard and read that many years ago.

Now why did u cite a quote from Imam Warith ud Deen Muhammad?

[Baba Ahmed]

U're a trip escobar; u got two leading Imams? I didn't know Imam Warith ud Deen was acting as an Imam, now. I thought he'd step'd aside from that office. Am I wrong? Well u won't find me arguing against what anybody's Imam is said to have said. That'd be rumor anyway, right?

What section of this country are u living? Come straight now; no more dots on the map near Portugal. We'll forget u posted that; I'm strange; even in cyberspace I like best to have an indicator where a brutha's from. Helps me to get a "feel" about a brutha. Areas do influence us, doncha think? Do you accept and believe that sahih bukhari reports that when we meet a person to ask name, where from and name of parents? I won't go that far.

I'd find whacha said about the 12th Imam's return; but its not important; this is no witch hunt. I dig my bruthas; especially those who struggle for Afrikan liberations before all others; others aren't off limits. But I'm old fashioned and look out for me and mine first. Ya dig?

[manifestdestiny]

[QUOTE=Baba Ahmed]

Originally Posted by manifestdestiny

what page is that on re Malcolm X?

And why do today's people continue to reshape Malcolm X's character. He's already been portrayed, post hajj, as a non violent adherent, in spite of the fact that he repeatedly said that self defense is nature and that non violence amid a violent society is unnatural. 25 yrs from now, he will be made to have wanted to love a white woman! Then he'll be acceptable as a national hero.


This is a bit of stretching the truth. Malcolm X aka Omowale Malik Shabazz was a constant student under Dr. John Henrik Clarke and Dr. Ben, to name a couple. Besides Malcolm X had advised our people long b4 making hajj to take our concerns b4 an int'l body, the United Nations; for we had Human Rights Issues. And that Civil Rights issues would be judged by the same unjust people who made and enforced unjust Civil Rights laws.

If u recall the bridges u refer to were built while touring Afrika and he sensed more keenly that his death to be eminent. He was offerred Cabinet level positions in the Egyptian Gov't and in Ghana; respectfully declined. He established a few links, e.g., via arranging I don't recall how many, scholarships to attend Al Azhar in Cairo. I earned one; but didn't go. The "hit contract" for Malcolm's death was signed and sealed b4 he left this country. His call for a trial in a World Court is just one minor piece leading to his assassination. The alphabet agencies had long ago tagged him a potential modern day Musa (Moses), along with Rev. Dr. MLK, Jr. But Malcolm X, our Black Prince, was unbought and unbuyable. He wasn't a womanizer, nor a alcohol swallower, nor a puffer of that stanking weed. He walked his talk, clear headed at all times struggling for his Black people and incidentally other people of color. That's his legacy. As was heard back in the days, he said publically what many other Black man longed to say. He frequently in response to questions about white folk would tell'em to go among their own people and teach non violence and about justice. Few seem to say publically that Malcolm X, Omowale Malik was still evolving.


No doubt; u've not wavered in this regard. To put Elijah Muhammad's and Malcolm X's teaching in their time setting, white folk were the only race qualified as such. But now, over 40 years later, armed with new bits of knowledge about Afrikan spirituality and having seen another derivative of yt's use of that term, I see them as a restless people, whose only recourse is to make peace with their own ancestors, not necessarily devils. Call'em whacha wanna, they're the absolute scourge among humans! And I respect u enough to know that u wouldn't play that "not all of'em" on me.

This I won't touch; I go along with the prevailing theory about their whiteness and also Elijah Muhammad's teaching about Yacub. Crazy as it may look and sound. But my real understanding is not for public eyes. I will say this; I've read about a "race of beings created b4 the first man.

Krakkka's create their own gods. Don't forget that. A what? leopar's? what's dat? u don't mean leopard's do u?

Don't see how this proves them to not be devils; but u're entitled to your opinion. Can u name a "people" who've committed the variety and total numbers of atrocities against not only other races, but even against their own kind? Against white women, children and crippled blind yts. Is ther any Other than the so called white man/woman guilty of this, since they escaped the caves?

Beyond that I credit their spirits for inspiring them to be dogged in revenge; they don't forget an iota of wrong done to them; they plan for the long hauls; yes they're cultural thieves. And the world's most consistent and terrible liars. The most envious and fearful of death, while wanting to live forever as a 21 year old. They've been known to murder their own parents for the payment of an insurance policy, kwk, kwk kwk. Name another like'em and I don't exclude any of their race as groups. they're so few who "show" humanness that they're insignificant. A few hasn't done what's been done to my ancestors and is being done to my people today. Organized and unorganized yt are the world's only two legged creature circulating cold blood.

And take my word for whatever its worth to you, Omowale Malik Shabazz was well aware of who they were.

First that is to be understood is that my statement was entirely my opinion based on personal observation. Had I known this amount of energy was going to be put into the statement I would have edited it alil more.(lepars* =Lepers) I don't consider Krakkas devils, I consider them lost socially and spiritually. In the absence of God (truth) all is permitted, therefore I find them socially and spiritually inferior because they lack the innate spiritual harmony that grounds us. This concept of devils and Gods is an over exaggeration, their civilization is a baby, (they genetically did not arrived on earth until 20,000 years ago and did not evolve into a civilized society until 4,000 years ago) Their station here on earth is not that high. My opinion is not based on Elijahs theory, but on a researched done by a genetic anthropologist, that traced the migration of man by the genetic markers in DNA. The reason why I call them mutants is because they originated from us, whenever there is an alteration of an original (physically, socially) it is considered a mutation of the original and thus a sickness. A sickness that I identified metaphorically as Leprosy an infectious disease caused by a bacterium called Mycobacterium leprae which causes disfiguration of the body or skin. They are the lepers of modern society and have been for the better part of 2000 years a mutation of us spiritually and socially. The Devil is the name given to a supernatural entity, who, in most Western religions, is the central embodiment of evil. Now tell me that quantifying Krakkas as devils is not an over exaggeration. They are sick people, nothing more nothing less. Lepers.......

[Baba Ahmed]

Gotcha; I was thrown by the word lepars and didn't find it in my dictionary. Lepers is familiar to me. RE who's a devil and who isn't isn't worth my time. The word enemy suffices for me. We may say yt is weak, etc... yet his shit is in ours NOW. Weak or strong, I wage what's necessary to regain what we the originals lost and gave and are giving away...

Keep on keep'n on my brutha; we're different notes in the same song of UHURU SASA!

Harmony
Kwame

[Nefertiti]

I dont trust kkkrackkka I dont have any kkkrackkka friends, I only deal with them as "other beings" in society, Im very straight forward toward them I dont bite my tongue And im proud to be an afrikan through and through and love to show it......yes, unfortunately the world is wrapped in this white global supremacy......Yes he is the devil!!!!!!

[BlackBodyGuard]

it is almost funny to watch the development of this thread... i originally asked a single question.... and while it has been nice to see the popularity of the thread... i think only about 25 - 30% of the thread is actually ABOUT THE QUESTION....
this is a perfect example of how we can so easily get side tracked by pettiness.

the question.. is the white man the devil.... of course is obvious.. but it is also obvious the majority of us are unable to deal with the fact.. we'd rather resort to bringing issue with each other about semantics and other people who have nothing to do with the question...

it is a classic psychological behavior of denial... stick your head in the sand.. divert the subjuct by talking around it.. changing the course of the issue....

the anger in some of the replies in regards to each other.... indicates that we would rather fight each other... than fight the denial.... if we admit it.... then we are bound to do something about it.... but we'd rather pretend the devil is not real... not something we can act on,but a spirit.. a spook...

the devil is real... he is tangible...

hmmmm

[Mamazen]

Originally Posted by BlackBodyGuard

it is almost funny to watch the development of this thread... i originally asked a single question.... and while it has been nice to see the popularity of the thread... i think only about 25 - 30% of the thread is actually ABOUT THE QUESTION....
this is a perfect example of how we can so easily get side tracked by pettiness.

the question.. is the white man the devil.... of course is obvious.. but it is also obvious the majority of us are unable to deal with the fact.. we'd rather resort to bringing issue with each other about semantics and other people who have nothing to do with the question...

it is a classic psychological behavior of denial... stick your head in the sand.. divert the subjuct by talking around it.. changing the course of the issue....

the anger in some of the replies in regards to each other.... indicates that we would rather fight each other... than fight the denial.... if we admit it.... then we are bound to do something about it.... but we'd rather pretend the devil is not real... not something we can act on,but a spirit.. a spook...

the devil is real... he is tangible...

hmmmm

Your statement would make sense to me IF I had a Christian background.

I don't.

I experience racisim everyday. I go head-to-head with it. Everyday. Just this afternoon I looked up concealed weapon laws for the state that I'm in because of some shit that is going on here.

Now you want me to spend what little free time I have to peruse the boards discussing a term that requires me to have a background in Christianity-The devil. And if not, I'm in denial?!?!? I'm side tracked?!?!?

I. DON'T. THINK. SO.

Call it whatever you want. But before you pass judgement on me for not conforming to your train of thought don't you think you should know the backgrounds of the people you are passing judgement on?

By the way I AM BUDDIHST. HAVE BEEN FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS.

[BlackBodyGuard]

i wasnt even going to respond to this.... because i would be doing exactly what i was just talking about...., but YOU ARE A Buddhist??

first of all.... you are not even spelling the belief you claim correctly... which leads me to believe you are not a practicing Buddhist...

second of all... and more importantly... a Buddhist does not practice violence in any form ESPECIALLY with the use of a gun.... so before you get self righteous know you science SUN..... because... apparently.. you dont...

on another note...

i can appreciate your stance negating my point... i am not a christian either.. in fact, i dont practice any type of organized religion.. so while we may disagree... we are still seeking the same things.... the truth..

and in my world... the truth is... the white man is the devil... and must be dealt with..

[Mamazen]

Originally Posted by BlackBodyGuard

i wasnt even going to respond to this.... because i would be doing exactly what i was just talking about...., but YOU ARE A Buddhist??

first of all.... you are not even spelling the belief you claim correctly... which leads me to believe you are not a practicing Buddhist...

second of all... and more importantly... a Buddhist does not practice violence in any form ESPECIALLY with the use of a gun.... so before you get self righteous know you science SUN..... because... apparently.. you dont...

on another note...

i can appreciate your stance negating my point... i am not a christian either.. in fact, i dont practice any type of organized religion.. so while we may disagree... we are still seeking the same things.... the truth..

and in my world... the truth is... the white man is the devil... and must be dealt with..

Really? You do not know me. Try again. You do not live in my house. Try again. Do you know what sect I practiced as a child? As an adult?

Since when does one who practices mean one does not defend themself? Self- defense is acceptable however, there is no escaping the karma that is incurred.

Quit assuming that you know who I am. You do not. Quit assuming you know what sect I am practicing. You do not know that either.

[Mamazen]

Originally Posted by BlackBodyGuard

i wasnt even going to respond to this.... because i would be doing exactly what i was just talking about...., but YOU ARE A Buddhist??

first of all.... you are not even spelling the belief you claim correctly... which leads me to believe you are not a practicing Buddhist...

second of all... and more importantly... a Buddhist does not practice violence in any form ESPECIALLY with the use of a gun.... so before you get self righteous know you science SUN..... because... apparently.. you dont...

on another note...

i can appreciate your stance negating my point... i am not a christian either.. in fact, i dont practice any type of organized religion.. so while we may disagree... we are still seeking the same things.... the truth..

and in my world... the truth is... the white man is the devil... and must be dealt with..

Really? You do not know me. Try again. You do not live in my house. Try again. Do you know what sect I practiced as a child? As an adult?

Since when does one who practices mean one does not defend themself? Self- defense is acceptable however, there is no escaping the karma that is incurred.

Quit assuming that you know who I am. You do not. Quit assuming you know what sect I am practicing. You do not know that either.

By the way I am a womban.

[BlackBodyGuard]

Originally Posted by mamazen

Really? You do not know me. Try again. You do not live in my house. Try again. Do you know what sect I practiced as a child? As an adult?

Since when does one who practices mean one does not defend themself? Self- defense is acceptable however, there is no escaping the karma that is incurred.

Quit assuming that you know who I am. You do not. Quit assuming you know what sect I am practicing. You do not know that either.

By the way I am a womban.

then.. you are absolutely correct... i apologize.. and would ask that you forgive my arrogance...thank you for clearing up my confusion...

[Kweku_Omowale]

greetings of peace and serenity mama zen :waving, i see life asa roller coaster,it has its ups and down, as my teacher says,there is no such as thing as heaven or hell,the soul comes here to achieve certain things and then live.having said,whites,rheziku aryans are spiritually retrogrades( is that the correct spelling),their pineal gland is calcified,they can not synthethize the sun energy due to lack of melanim or the absence,thereof,melanim,because melamin is the conductor of energy,indeed they lived in caves,we were and have been around when they came out of their caves,i say,they carry with them spirits of disorder and negative entities
follow dem,simply for the fact,that we have melanim to be in contact with the universe,there is no such as thing as heaven or hell,that is living in duality,the body is justa suit for the soul
because they were living in caves b4 and they cant synthethise the suns energy,that makes dem, inferior to us,spiritually and mentally

[Blackstar]

It is easy enough to preach to the choir but it is almost impossible to talk to those who LOVE their MASTERS!

[Mordecai_7]

Originally Posted by BlackBodyGuard

According to Francis Cress Welsing, there are nine specific points by which white weakness can identified. They are:

1. Economics
2. Education
3. Entertainment
4. Labor
5. Law
6. Politics
7. Religion
8. Sex
9. War

Basically, white weakness has infected these specific areas of PEOPLE ACTIVITY.. white weakness is a weapon that when detonated, destroys only the human being, leaving solid inanimate objects intact, also, leaving no trace of its detonation such as chemical properties, biological or radiological; thus making it a highly effective and efficient weapon.

Take a look at the nine areas of activity and then think about of which of these areas does people THAT LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE OWNERSHIP… you couldn’t find one.. #3, we may dominate it, but we don’t have ownership of it. We also dominated the slave institution, but we didn’t own it…

What I am bringing to the table is a viable solution to a common problem we all share. As a RESPONSIBLE BLACK MAN and a MEMBER OF THE HUMAN RACE I am bound by divine law to do what I can despite the opposition. This essay is designed to do one thing… Identify the problem… Identifying the problem is the second step in an apparent long journey on the road to healing = liberation.

In a lifetime, no one person could effectively mount a defense against the nine strains of white weakness. It is necessary to say this because if you are one who wants to do your part in this problem solving campaign, you will want to attack the problem as a whole.. this is not possible, not efficient, not effective and certainly not intelligent. Of each of these activities, each one of us can find one that we have knowledge about, experience in, or can effect influence in. For most of us, we fit in Activity #2 & #3 simply because of our correlation to poetry and the various discussions we share.

Each of these Activities have sub-categories which means, even the Activity itself cannot be dealt with effectively in its entirety.

At this point, hopefully, you are starting to see the enormity of the problem. And the complexity of the solution.

You have to take this problem solving process in small chunks… otherwise you will be unsuccessful in your efforts…

“If you do not understand white supremacy (weakness)(racism) – what it is, and how it works – everything else that you understand, will only confuse you.�
Neely Fuller, Jr. (1971)
The United Independent Compensatory Code/System/Concept

You see, Poetry is much more than rhymes and open mics… Black Poetry IS the mother of politics, religion, and in fact all nine people activities.. so as poets, you have assumed responsibility to uphold the nature of this craft….

If you haven’t already chosen a particular activity to operate in, you should do so now… After you do that, this solution is globally fundamental.

1. Forget all you think you know about whatever activity you choose. Chances are that thought is infected with white weakness. That thought has clouded your judgement and you need to have a fresh clean install of thinking… which brings me to the second step in the problem solving solution:

2. Trust those who know what they are talking about or at least who know more than you. internalize all the information you can about the problem you understand to be white weakness and how it applies to your field of attack. If you do not TRUST ME, or someone else who speak of this, then chances are, you know someone in your personal real life who talks about this global problem… ask them questions and more questions, and talk to people who ‘sense a problem’ but don’t understand how to put a name to it.. talk to everyone about white weakness and learn all you can…

3. Just because you are learning about white weakness, nothing has to change about you as far as profession, socialization, fashion, etc. most people reject taking responsibility for taking a stand on this issue, because they don’t want to have to grow dreadlocks, or stop perming their hair, or they don’t want to have to start going to the mosque or associate with ‘pan africans’ none of this is necessary for you to learn the necessary problem solving skills needed to heal=liberate.

4. Find books that are identified on the back as “African or African-American Studies�, or one of the people activities that you will be working on changing. I particularly like Half Price Bookstores.. I don’t know if you guys have this chain of bookstores in your area, but If you have to buy a book for full price, if you read it and learn from it, it’ll be worth it. (Mark posted a list of suggested reading the other day.. hopefully he will attach it to this thread…) if not, I will find it and attach it…

5. Entertainment, such as movies, and music have a two-fold purpose… first of all, its not called programming for nothing… TV is a form of hypnosis which makes it so understandable that it is the most common electronic component in the house.. so common, that some of us have the hypnotic box in EVERY ROOM including the bathroom.. Continue to watch the TV, only now, instead of watching it for its entertainment value, watch it for its educational value. Meaning, take notice of how people that look like you and me are being exploited in every single program… we play certain roles in movies. The reason for this exploitation is simple. If you see this dramatic experience played out onscreen, your brain tells you this is real.. even though you know it is acting… if it can make you laugh or cry, get angry, or inspire you to happiness, this is your brain saying this is real… thus… when you see Black people being exploited on television, your brain is telling you this is acceptable and in your everyday life you ALLOW this occur and even defend it as if it your own thought…. But its not, you are being programmed to think this way….
6. in order to counter the effects of white weakness, you must learn to defend against it. There is a reason why you see ‘yt’ in the woods with guns and playing war games.. they are actively training for what they believe is coming… a great civil war. This war will be race-based so the enemy will be relatively simple to identify with the exception of the few uncle-toms, sell-out fools who think if they work for the otherside they will somehow survive.
Learn how to survive outside, learn the properties of plant life in your area, it may become your next meal for weeks at a time… learn how to fight with and without weapons, learn the basics of another language, preferably an African language.. Swahili would be an excellent language to learn and share it with your family certain words that has emergency meaning…

I know that you don’t want to live like this; you want to live your life in ignorant bliss, thinking that if you don’t know, it doesn’t effect you, but you don’t have to believe in white weakness, it’s a real thing and it has real effects and consequences for not protecting yourself and those you love against it..

I didn’t complete the problem solving part, because honestly, who is going to read this but those who already know what to do….??
If you DO read this in its entirety, and would like to know the last four lessons… feel free to respond to this thread and I will post them…

TheBlackPoet

I had an opportunity to hear this sister speak at Pepperdine University,in 1978. She had recently completed a paper entitled: "The Theory Of Color Confrontation." (This later became The Isis Paper.)

She basically stated that whites lack Melinan,or pigmentation, which she described as life itself. So, we are talking about a genetically inferior being. One open to disease, and lacking the essential traits of "humanism." This corresponds directly with what The Honorable Elijah Muhammad, (Peace Be Upon Him) said about The Devil being "grafted" from the genes of The Original Man.

[TureBandele]

The white boy is the IRREDEEMABLE devil !