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| Pharoah Sanders Pharoah Sanders official recordings as a leader or co-leader: Title: Links to sessions: Pharoah's First 1964 Tauhid 1966 Jihad session (unissued) 1968 Izipho Zam 1969 Karma 1969 Jewels of Thought 1969 Summun Bukmun Umyun 1970 Thembi 1970, 1971 Black Unity 1971 Village of the Pharoahs 1971, 1972, 1973 Live at The East 1971 Wisdom through Music 1972 Elevation 1973 Love in Us All 1973 Pharoah 1976 Love Will Find a Way 1977 Beyond a Dream (with Norman Connors and the Starship Orchestra) 1978 Ed Kelly & Pharoah Sanders 1978 Journey to the One 1979 Rejoice 1981 Live 1981 Shukuru 1981 Heart Is a Melody 1982 Africa 1987 A Tribute to John Coltrane - Blues for Coltrane (with McCoy Tyner, D. Murray, C. Mc Bee, R. Haynes) 1987 Oh Lord, Let Me Do No Wrong 1987 A Prayer before Dawn 1987 Moon Child 1989 Welcome to Love 1990 Naima (Over the Rainbow) (with New York Unit) 1992 Crescent with Love (Ballads with Love) 1992 The Trance of Seven Colors (with Maleem Mahmoud Ghania) 1994 Message from Home 1995 Pharoah Sanders-Graham Haynes - With a Heartbeat 1997 Save Our Children 1998 Spirits (with Adam Rudolph and Hamid Drake) 1998 The Creator Has a Master Plan 2003 ![]() Pharoah Sanders official guest appearances Title: Links to sessions: Don Cherry session for Savoy (unissued) 1963 Sun Ra - Gods on Safari 1964 Ornette Coleman - Chappaqua Suite 1965 John Coltrane - Ascension 1965 John Coltrane - Live in Seattle 1965 John Coltrane - Om 1965 John Coltrane - Kulu Se Mama 1965 John Coltrane - Selflessness 1965 John Coltrane - Meditations 1965 John Coltrane - Major Works of John Coltrane 1965 John Coltrane - Infinity 1966 John Coltrane - Jupiter Variation 1966 John and Alice Coltrane - Cosmic Music 1966 , 1968 John Coltrane - Session from 21.04.1966 (unissued) 1966 John Coltrane - Session from 28.04.1966 (unissued) 1966 John Coltrane - Live at Village Vanguard Again 1966 John Coltrane - Newport Jazz Festival 1966 (video) 1966 John Coltrane - Live in Japan 1966 + 1966 Don Cherry - Symphony for Improvisers 1966 Don Cherry - Where Is Brooklyn? 1966 John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert - The Last Live Recording 1967 John Coltrane - Session from 17.05.1967 (unissued) 1967 John Coltrane - Expression 1967 The Jazz Composers Orchestra 1968 Alice Coltrane - A Monastic Trio 1968 Dave Burrell - High Won-High Two 1968 Gary Bartz - Libra/Another Earth 1968 Latin Jazz Quintet - Oh! Pharoah Speak (Spotlight on Pharoah Sanders with the Latin Jazz Quintet) 1968 Leon Thomas - Spirits Known and Unknown 1969 Alice Coltrane - Ptah, The El Daoud 1970 Alice Coltrane - Journey in Satchidananda 1970 , 1970 Larry Young - Lawrence of Newark 1973 Norman Connors - Romantic Journey 1977 Norman Connors - This Is Your Life 1977 Norman Connors - Melancholy Fire 1977 Phyllis Hyman - One on One 1977 Hilton Ruiz - Fantasia 1978 Idris Muhammad - Kabsha 1980 Tisziji Munoz - Visiting This Planet 1981 Elvin Jones/McCoy Tyner - Love & Peace 1982 Benny Golson - This Is for You, John 1983 Art Davis - Life 1985 Tribute to John Coltrane - Blues for coltrane 1987 The Oakland Interfaith Gospel Choir - Live! 1990 Sonny Sharrock - Ask the ages 1991 Sonny Sharrock - Into Another Light 1991 Randy Weston - The Spirits of Our Ancestors 1991 Randy Weston - African Sunrise 1991 Norman Connors - Remember Who You Are 1993 Bheki Mseleku - Timelessness 1993 Franklin Kiermyer - Solomon's Daughter 1994 Stolen Moments: Red Hot + Cool 1994 Steve Turre - Rhythm Within 1995 Jah Wobble - Heaven & Earth 1995 Voodoo Chile: The Music of Jimi Hendrix (video) 1995 Aiyb Dieng - Rhythmagic 1996 Jali Kunda: Griots of West Africa & Beyond 1996 Wallace Roney - Village 1996 James Blood Ulmer/Music Revelation Ensemble - Cross Fire 1996 Arcana - Arc of the Testimony 1997 Terry Callier - Timepeace 1997 The Last Poets - Time Has Come 1997 Chakra - The Seven Centers 1997 Tisziji Munoz - River of Blood 1997 Tisziji Munoz - Present without a Trace 1997 Tisziji Munoz - Spirit World 1997 Randy Weston - Khepera 1998 Alex Blake - Now Is the Time 1999 Kahil el Zabar's Ritual Trio - Africa N'da Blues 1999 Searching for Jimi Hendrix 1999 23 Skidoo - 23 Skidoo 2000 Gigi - Gigi 2001 Tisziji Munoz - Divine Radiance 2001 Meta Collection 2002 Asana 3: Peaceful Heart 2002 Lonesome Echo Productions - Silver Ocean 2002 Gigi - Illuminated Audio 2003 Lili Haydn - Light Blue Sun 2003 Sleep Walker - Voyage 2003 David Murray - Gwotet 2003
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Like a brother once told me, "…it's hard to do harm to another Black man, after listening to the sacred sounds of cats like John Coltrane and Pharaoh Sanders…" Ase! (Ashe!) Brother Sun Ship :cool:
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| Brother Isanusu, I respect what you have said…I wouldn’t want to jump to any assumptions about what relationship Pharaoh Sanders had with some white woman he was sitting with…as you know, the simple speculations of others, could get us all in trouble… for Brother, I also have found myself temporarily, in some weird places with weird company, until I peeped what was up and removed myself. And I have had people innocently sit down and start a conversation with me, and even I thought for a minute, “man I wonder how this looks?” …LOL. But let’s get into the true subject at hand. With the godlikeness expressed and imbued in improvisation and creativity, sometimes there is a strange mix of free expression and will, along with moral/ethical abandonment in the life of the artist. I don’t agree that “creativity is an unconscious act” and necessarily that “it is possible that Pharoah and other artists don't know or live what they sing, talk, write, paint, play, pray and preach about.” Now I did say “necessarily”. I believe most masters like Pharaoh operate creatively, not on an unconscious plane, but a superconscious plane… that is apart from their personal relationships. I agree Brother; there is a lot of irony and conflict in the lives of creative beings, because of the world they operate in. But in a way, this is sometimes the mortal part of the spiritual gift or mission. The greatest disciples, for the transformation of a people, should have grown up in the midst of the people…ascending in the womb of the nation, struggling for new birth with all of the dangers that go with that…not ascending away from or descending down to the fold; For how else can they understand the complexities and struggles, and then be an example or guide toward ascension. I was once taught, that every healer usually has some small physical malady, so they can have compassion for the sick and understand their pain. We also find, in some spiritual teachings that the Most High deity, has to send anthropomorphic spirit people to earth and let them be born human and grow and struggle among the people. For the Most High has no understanding of the anguishes the flesh sometimes endures. Remember we are all in the process of spiritual evolution and revolution, with a few ascended masters a little ahead of us, leading and teaching the way...like Coltrane, Pharaoh Sanders…and so forth. When we are seeing our most blessed and ascended finding their mates outside of the circle…it not only reflects “a part” of their consciousness, but also the state of the Black nations consciousness. I bear witness, that many times our most creative people and ascended masters are ignored and ostracized by their own people…they try to survive and live, among the people they love and create for and are usually left wanting. I’m not trying to excuse their response to this reality, but outside of forums like this, these brothers and sisters are rarely mentioned in our community or in our great books on history, spirituality or metaphysics. Just read the life stories of some our most creative. Like I said in another thread: “White folks pick up more of what we throw away…than what they have stolen from us. They have received and used our medicine…while we superfluously romanticize about being well…”… “Those who ‘see and know’ are being isolated in pockets…each being marginalized and selectively deactivated and destroyed by social apathy” Since I want to be apart of mending the circle and not just criticizing everything that doesn’t look right to me, I am posting what I know about these brother and sisters; for I think it may eventually be because of ALL OF OUR PARTICIPATION in forums like this one, that we will eventually see these cultural-spiritual ozone holes mended and we can hopefully stop the metastasizing growth of apathy, jealousy and de-spiritualization among our people. Peace
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peace! Sunship you're an intelligent brother. I read your posts often. One of the humblest cats I've come across on this site. Anyways, your above conclusion is sooooooo on point!!! Great tributes, great breakdown.., thank you! PEACE AND RESPECT! NarmeR the 7th SuN
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Greetings Sun Ship - yes in very simple terms, we're in a time and land of madness - ea of us share in that, even our respected and way ahead guides via music etc. I mean, e.g., look at Fela Kuti - huh? Sun Ra and plenty others of our "lights" bearers of our past, present/future. Also can not the "unconscious" Sanusu speaks to be our ancestoral spirits bursting forth and tho a vessel, e.g a Pharoah, a 'Trane, a T. Monk Sr., etc could speak on it, they'd really b "unconscious" for at those degrees in time the music, the voice, the rythyms will be "outta their hands," so to speak. They, the performers the vessels, become instruments to further goals of his or her people's ancestors, first of all. But it is the "listeners" who must foremost be healed. And then there's exchange, a call 'n response. Afterwards a consciousness is manifested in knowing actions. Otherwise what good is it? Just curious; not intended to put down any of our gifted folk. I hope like plenty others I want to be "lifted hiiiiiiiiiiiya" and know what I'm do n to complete our ancestors objectives and goals. The gifts are purposeful too. We're born, reared - some raised - in clear Eu-rope-an cultures. Non of us can not exist here and not b influenced by it. For hundreds of years, music was and is taught as an art form, an aspect of "culture" in the West. Which as u kno translates into something useful to help a person to be into the "fine arts" of a particular class of folk. Usually with high "education." Maybe also money. A separating tool between classes of folk. So some musicians b into that, maybe that is unconscious; or maybe like a Wynton Marsalis who it seems had a long term plan and if u recall his mgr consciously re-made his public image w/intent to show "Jazz" muscians as "gentlemen," I say Eu-rope-an gentlemen. Wynton tho has shown his reverence for our masters, especially Louie Armstrong. In his music. A barb - yes a personal one - sticking in the technical accomplishments of many 1960's experimental musicians removed them from the beats of the 24/7 folk. And rightly so they'll go down as great musicians in the eyes of the learned, the technical minded, the western cultured folk. Fine artists. But to me like I say to the many yunguns into what's called Hip Hop, if the messages can only be dug by a particular generation, it violates an ancient/traditional Afrikan use in life; the intergenerational "links." That if not conformed to, our times today manifest results. I hope this doesn't appear as a put down, my brutha. I'm aware that this is still America and everyone theoretically has rights to opinions; so one of mine is that music like anything else in this centuries old struggle must be kept w/i hearing range of everyday folk. I still applaud the ones who leave us behind due to their fine accomplishments, but can't help but to remember who WE are; where we b and what time it is. Ase
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| Pharoah Sanders: Messenger of the Gods
Sun Ship: As always, your calm wisdom has helped me to clarify what I was trying to say. It was not my intention to criticize Pharoah Sanders of a personal level. I am more than aware of my own shortcomings in comparison to those socialized in a traditional Afrikan environment. But it is possible to transcend the negativity of this experience by aligning/invoking the ancestral wisdom. My position is that creation is a collective effort involving those who came before and those yet to come. My post was an effort to give hope and support to other artists and individuals in our struggles to overcome the psychological chains and boundaries imposed by White Supremacy. It was a tribute to the collective/communal nature of all Black creativity and the ability to transcend the negativite conditions. I too, have drawn and written things that contradict my daily behaviors and beliefs. I have reread works and come to understand what "they" were trying to say "through" me. Seen? I wanted other creative people to understand that phenomenal process of Black collective creativity. Listen closely and you can learn something from say...."50 Cent". At the least we can learn what not to do. LOL. |
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| To my Brother...Peace Brother Isanusu, we are all here, because we hunger for each other’s progressive thoughts and spiritual compassion… I’ve seen so many righteous and creative battered soldiers fall and shrivel up from neglect and a lack of love from our people. Among our creative African family, I’ve seen the squeaky clean turn to heroin and the most conscious hopefuls take their own life. Apathy has become a virus that has affected many old warriors and I’ve seen beautiful sisters, who've strived to embrace consciousness and with much to give, become embittered with rancid thoughts about Black men and our future together. 1957 was the year of spiritual awaking for John Coltrane, and he was initiated as the musical diviner for a new generation of African people. Alice Coltrane became the example of creative spiritual Black Love. We all became excited when Cicely reconstituted Miles unto salvation…and regardless of their struggles, for the sake of Black Love they tried and something great and wonderful happened. Brother, I don’t want to walk pass our Blessed fruit of young or more experienced Black women and see their hands over their ears, as they look the other way and then I’m stopped once again, by another young white female that wants to tell me how much she loves Coltrane, Charles Mingus or how many Charlie Parker albums she has or how she meditates to our most sacred ascended masters. Brother Isanusu, I’m surely not doubting your sincerity…Maybe Pharaoh Sanders was with this woman…maybe…maybe not? But as I joked with a friend one time, when a white female college-student waitress approached us, after seeing we wearing Jazz T-shirts and she wanted to get into a long conversation with us about what she admired about Trane, Rollins and Mingus…I said to my friend, “I think this is a CIA setup and I oughta’ smack her and ask, “ who told you about these sacred masters”??!!”__lololol I’ve tried to open the minds of those I love…but you would’ve thought I was talkin’ about cavemen, when I mentioned some of the most progressive musicians we have ever produced. Brother, I’ve talked to young warrior poets about going to poetry slams at nightclubs, payin’ to get in and being pimped for their creativity worst then Blues and Jazz musicians of 50 years ago…but many of the young revolutionaries have not the intrinsic connection, that they think they have, to their past and can’t even recognize the elders they sometimes metaphorically allude to, in their poetry and prose! So when the other brothers and I sit around listening to and talking about Eric Dolphy, Booker Little, Woody Shaw, Rahsaan or Coltrane, Mingus, Jackie McLean and Ornette Coleman…we refer to ourselves as Dinosaurs. Brother Isanusu, there is rarely or barely a functional life in our own community, that goes with this creativity. Do we really honor our ancestors? And why is that, honoring the words, works and lives of living and sacred elders, teachers, musicians and artist is almost equated to kissing somebodies ass? Is it misguided pride, arrogance or ignorance? I don't know brother...you decide. Peace and carry on my brother, Brother Sun Ship :cool: Bird Lives! Thank the Heavens for Orisha John Coltrane!
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Sun Ship: You are right on. My criticism of Pharoah Sanders was misplaced. Your post was a tribute to the life work of an important artist. I never meant to demean the MAN or his WORK. My intent was to give proper due to the genetic/spiritual connection to the ancestral universe and CREATIVITY. In the book "Yurugu", Marimba Ani says Afrikan worldview differs from the European: Afrikan=Communal European=Individualistic Afrikan=Wholistic European=Segmented Afrikan=Spiritual European=Materialistic "Community" is an individualistic concept in that it separate a group or from the rest of the universe. "Communalism" says every indivdual element in the universe is, equally, essential to the proper functioning of the universe. Education/socialization consists of developing and reinforcing the worldview. The process of enslavement, or as W. Lynch says "the Taming and Breaking of the Negro" is/was a process of changing the philosophy and the psychology of Afrikan people. They have changed the way we think and act. But they can never change what we ARE because communalism is a natural, genetic process. Much of our dis-ease is due to the conflict between our genetic inclination towards communalism and the socialization/education towards individualism. |
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| Brother Isanusu, you are on point…I have used the word community to refer to our present state many times…matter of fact, it is the gentlest word that one could apply to the state we find ourselves in presently. But the communal cultural psyche is the truest way. When the spiritual and philosophical tenets of communal life are invoked back into the circle, we will begin to experience the inner-realms of liberation. African-centrist, African social scientist and Black Nationalist seem not to realize that we cannot mend the circle, if we exclude the core of African cosmological life…the oneness and balance of all things; in all spirituality, symbolism and real organic living. This is our way…we cannot ignore it. communal consciousness... this was the spirit of the socio-cultural norms that the Kawaida theory and it's birth to Kwanzaa suppose to have initiated. But for the old heads...Remember what the Funkadelics said, “Free your mind and your ass will follow...the kingdom of heaven is within” even something that rough and funky, had a lot of truth to it... Peace
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If so does this infer that, keep'n in tune with this thread, our revered musicians, artists, poets etc are to be honored as if some of their disasterous life styles did not happen? Or that they don't influence the younger folk in their setting, meaning socially? And if they do, then its to be overlooked? We hear it often in this society: "Well that's his/her private life..." Help an old man understand, in an interest to "tell the youth/people the truth," what's being asserted here. Peace!
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What tree is without its story? No matter how great the trunk or strong the limbs, every tree has suffered the sting of drought, endured storms and bad weather, has had something infesting it’s bark or gnawing at it’s leaves, and all trees have hidden friend and foe alike, in times of war. I know no teacher or ascended master, who doesn’t have frailties to strengthen or wounds to heal. He is a master teacher, not because of theory, but because of experience. And every teacher is still a student. Like I said, what better place to find a teacher, but one who is courageously overcoming the same conditions and can control the causalities that destroyed so many in your own world. Coltrane was redeemed by a spiritual awaking in 1957. If it were not for that…would Pharaoh Sanders, Archie Shepp and Albert Ayler responded to the spiritual core of Black music? Who taught 'Trane and how did he get to that point? Was he able to extinguish all of his demons at once in 1957? When I look in my mirror and a review of my life, ...the ups and downs, battles, bumps and bruises, and wars yet resolved, I spiritually say, “why should I even dare to help, teach or inspire anyone” and the response from the spirit world is, “if not you, then who?” Our children are trying to see themselves in the mode of greatness, while certain conditions seem to be cut in stone…I say be great anyway! The spiritual construct that was needed to assist these sacred brothers musical callings wasn’t in place at that time and is still somewhat wanting today. …I’m surprised they were able to keep being a conduit for such heavenly sustenance, as the Great Black Music. The conflict between what they were receiving and what they were experiencing was mentally and physically tasking and sometimes overwhelming. Disciples of the arts are many times very sensitive, because they expose so much of their souls and take their psyche to the edge of the creative realm; especially those who literally had to spontaneously combust, every time they improvised. I hate to say it this way…but I must…drug addiction for these Brothers wasn’t just recreational, but was almost medicinal…they were trying to survive. They had something unusual and it didn’t always fit the apathy and cultural ignorance of the community, let alone the racist society at large. Do you know how many these brothers and sister, suffered depression and were even hospitalized? Billie Holiday, Charles Mingus, James Moody, Charlie Parker and the list goes on, and on. No excuses for destructive lives…but I would've took Elvin Jones on dope, before I’ll take Clarence Thomas on kool-aid any day. Peace
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Much clearer and almost poetic in form...very tight: straight no chaser... I like it.... allow me to say I too have felt pains similar to those u describe and have shared life's cold and hot experiences with some of our Master musicians. I agree what tree doesn't have its hidden and open appearances. No problema. Correct me if off beat... I see this virtual reality as reality w/i our realities and believe we be here, not all of us, to share gifts joys sufferings ups and downs; to learn and pass on what comes to and thru us; to continue in tune with our purposes: mine to help our youth and our sistas... to in varied forms say: at this point in this cycle many of us are still preparing the soils of our youth and planting seeds seeking to repay our generational debts to our ancestors w/i and surrounding us, even as we continue becoming ourselves. To say to our youth: step into your journey your Sankofa; take the best leave the rest. How will they know the differences? Unless we teach the youf da truf - the ying/yang negative/positive long and tall/short and fat; and all shades of blue(s)! So my approach is not unconditional love or "gimme a hug; show some luv" or other popular slogans. Consistently I'm attempt'n to keep in view our social/historical/political/economical ramifications of ea and every iota of life's expressions - all of'em. As in the ying/yang construct, one can be waaaaaaaaay out of balance of b n in tune with their ancestoral charge that each individual comes here with. But they enter into a neurotic/psychotic spiritually dead and non spiritual environment. Is it thought that such babies are not too affected? I say yes. And all the doctored unconditional love in this universe will not cure that. Not for humans who knowingly and unknown to self that a primary objective is to re-connect with just who in hell are they? and what in hell is she or he here for? If they're prepared to see through "rose tinted" lenses, will they not see a rose tinted world? Its said or at least I was taught that there are basically two methods of guiding used by the masters: hard and soft. Both are effective; mine is a mixture leaning heavily twds the hard... u kno us old folks: always got a story.... well I recall our first born son running into the bayt (house) one nite as I'm busy crafting. Abu! what boy? Such and such and such just happened to me, etc... it was ice cold, abu!!! This is exactly, I think, what I said to him: son u did not see your father as u grew; u did not hear your father as u spread your wings; u stood when u should've sat; u floated like a butterfly when u should've been still, grounded. So now experience has taught u. Good that was your choice. Not mine. So like a Buhaina (sp? Art Blakey) and this is a wide stretch, I taught him, and all my children, to read the sheet music of life; to compose tunes in life; to conduct and lead your family life etc; but u chose, ala Freddie Hubbard u wanna make money now; OK, I heard he was told and I told my son; go 'head u jive m.f. (i didn't say that) u'll be back! Well my son returned not too late; not sure if Freddie did or not. Its not my call. U dig what I'm say'n Sun Ship? We, u & I, are playing the same tune; different voices. Success my brutha and may we both be acceptable to those we owe and be called upon later on 'round this curving journey from the next realm. OK? Yebehyia (we will meet) as my young scholar/sho nuff rumbler signs off: Be BlackNificient!!!
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Slavery is Psychological. Once upon a time... whoever had the most weapons was King and empires fell when soldiers couldn't cover every corner. Now the soldiers are in our minds. Manipulation and creation of the individual personality is the new way. Criticism of personal habits is actually blaming the victim. Any individual educated, socialized or exposed to the educational rituals of a Racist Society is affected. Afrikans had a ritual education/socialization system. Music, Dance, Prayer, Fasting, Tests of Strength and Endurance, etc., were devised to teach lessons and mold personalities. Advancement in social status was dependent upon completion of appropriate ritual tasks and experiences. Centuries of conflict with White Supremacy has weakened (not destroyed)the education/socialization system of Black people. Educational rituals under White Supremacy are designed to foster feelings of worthlessness and despair. But the White Supremacist have not understood/experienced Black consciousness. Therefore, they have been unable to devise methods to erase/alter all aspects of said consciousness. Universal Black consciousness can manifest/reawaken when we stop/alter European consciousness. One ritual ia a dailly examination of all thoughts, speech and action to determine which are manifestations of racist socialization and which are in keeping with Afrikan traditional values and philosophies. Must Close Now. More Later. ************************************************** ******** The iris of my eye is an extension/manifestation of the infinite Blackness of space. |
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