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      Crips & Bloods: Made In America


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      the title pretty much says it but its bout more then "just" Crips & Bloods it puts the hole thing into a historical context and its one of my favorite docus

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      I'm calling the White man's character into question. According to Black Revolt: Strategies of Protest compiled and edited by Doris Yvonne Wilkinson Ph.D
      the changing character of Negro-White Relations and Negro-White Violence in the United States are covered roughly in periods as follows:

      The period of slave insurrections and resistance (1640-1861)
      Civil War and Reconstruction (1861-1877)
      The Second Reconstruction and the beginnings of the Great Migration (1878-1914)
      World War I and post-war boom and racial readjustment (1915-1929)
      inter-war and Depression (1930-1941)
      WWII.

      The suggestion is made that in each of these periods the pattern of race relations and social racial violence were determined more by reaction of the dominant white community (*armed) to attacks on the accommodative pattern by Negroes (*unarmed) than by any conscious determination of policy by the white group. Some major areas in which conflict develops are noted and parallels to other group conflicts pointed out. Thus, it is shown that the Draft Riots of the Civil War were, at least in part, an expression of the hostility of laboring groups to "cheap labor," as had been the case with other immigrant groups, rather than an expression of specifically anti-Negro animus. (Wilkinson pg. 5)


      footnote:




      The Thirteenth Amendment does not interfere with the enforcement of duties a citizen owes to the state under the Common Law. Government may require a person to serve
      • on a petit
      • or Grand Jury,
      • to work on public roads or
      • instead pay taxes on those roads,
      • or to serve in the militia.
      The Thirteenth Amendment has not produced nearly the volume of Supreme Court decisions as has the Fourteenth Amendment, or even the Fifteenth Amendment (guaranteeing the vote to black citizens). In 1916, in Butler v Perry, the Court rejected a challenge brought by a Florida man to a state law that required all able-bodied men between 21 and 45, when called to do so, to work for up to 60 hours on maintaining public roads. The plaintiff, convicted of failing to put in his time on the roads and sentenced to jail, argued that the law mandated "involuntary servitude" in violation of the Thirteenth Amendment. Justice McReynolds, writing for the Court, concluded "the term 'involuntary servitude' was intended to cover those forms of compulsory labor akin to African slavery which, in practical operation, would tend to produce like undesirable results."


      Compulsory military service (the draft) is not a violation of the Thirteenth Amendment, nor is compulsory labor on work of national importance in lieu of military service, assigned to conscientious objectors.


      On the flipside it's still involuntary servitude through psychologically coercive means.

      Prior to 1988, inflicting involuntary servitude through psychologically coercive means was included in the interpretation of the Thirteenth Amendment. In United States v. Kozminski, 487 U.S. 931 (1988), the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that the Thirteenth Amendment did not prohibit compulsion of servitude through psychological coercion.




      Psychological coercion had been the primary means of forcing involuntary servitude in the case of Elizabeth Ingalls in 1947.However, the Court held that there are exceptions. The court decision circumscribed involuntary servitude to be limited to those situations when the master subjects the servant to
      1. threatened or actual physical force,
      2. threatened or actual state-imposed legal coercion or
      3. fraud or deceit where the servant is a minor, an immigrant or mentally incompetent.

      at 52:00

      The United States of America is in the business of maintaining lawful slavery. Apportionment in the context of the Constitution, means that each state (land owner) pays taxes appropriate to its population (whether there working or not). The White population decreased Black mobility by pulling there business; creating genocide.

      Factories are not plantations.
      Paid labor is not slavery; State land owners pay taxes according to there male citizens (working or not)
      Reduce factories and eliminate paid labor. Reduces work force, and direct tax.
      Eliminate Black population thru starvation or any means necessary.

      Supreme Court Justice Paterson in Hylton v US (3 US 171 [1796]) on apportionment:

      The constitution declares, that a capitation tax is a direct tax; and both in theory and practice, a tax on land is deemed to be a direct tax... The provision was made in favor of the southern states; they possessed a large number of slaves; they had extensive tracts of territory, thinly settled, and not very productive. A majority of the states had but few slaves, and several of them a limited territory, well settled, and in a high state of cultivation. The southern states, if no provision had been introduced in the constitution, would have been wholly at the mercy of the other states. Congress in such case, might tax slaves, at discretion or arbitrarily, and land in every part of the Union, after the same rate or measure: so much a head, in the first instance, and so much an acre, in the second. To guard them against imposition, in these particulars, was the reason of introducing the clause in the constitution.

      Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights

      2. Representatives shall beapportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State

      *aterisk are mines


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      Involuntary Servitude Case Summaries (keyword: road)
      Involuntary Servitude Cases

      Involuntary Servitude legal definition of Involuntary Servitude. Involuntary Servitude synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

      Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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      52:00 on jobs


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      African people have been sharecropping and making ends meet since day one in the United States; by hook or by crook. I've never heard black folks make excuses about where there not going to work because that's not our experience; the film shows a "gang truce" strictly on the strentgh of Rebuild L.A restoring jobs in to city instead of crack.

      So when the White fellow made a remark about what jobs black folks "wouldn't do" he needs a through lesson on the principle of the working class history of African Americans and quit relying on rhetoric, because he sounds like a real devil.


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      i dont know if i fully understand your first post
      im a littl slow right now i will read it again tomorrow

      but what i can say right now is that im reading "We want freedom: a life in the Black Panther Party" By Mumia Abu-Jamal
      and when this white man at 25:43 wants to say that the riots were something new in terms of black man gettin angry and standin up thats plain lie because "In fact, the history of Africans in the Americas is one of deep resistance--- of various attempts at independent Black governance, of self-defence of armed rebellion, and indeed, of pitched battles for freedom."Mumia Abu-Jamal

      i realy dont get the thesis from that book you mentioned
      isnt everything action and reaction at the same time
      about riots:"It is, too, a measure of the power of the corporate, white supremacist media that the term riot almost invariably avokes imagery of Black folks tearing through the streets in a frenzied orgy of destruction. But in fact, most riots were the instrument of whites, who used mass violence to terrorize Blacks and deny the citizenship."Mumia Abu-Jamal
      if you like to take a look into the book ..I like it
      We want freedom: a life in the Black ... - Google Books
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      i forgot to say that i agree with you on that white man acting like a devil
      he shares a lot of traits i dislike on most white intellectuals because i think he aint realy about nothing he just wants to look good and make some cash
      some people they studie because they wanna achieve an aim but he just thinks its fresh and than the outcome also isnt good
      he published two books just dig the titles "L.A. City Limits: African American Los Angeles from the Great Depression to the Present" and "Erotic City: Sexual Revolutions and the Making of Modern San Francisco"
      also how he looks - he would fit better into "Dark Blue" as racist cop

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