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      Thank You nattyreb. Your response sister warrior, is very uplifting to my spirit. It is your undying commitment and sincere truth of the moment that keeps a brother like me taking the next step in the march towards our ultimate freedom. I too felt your "heartfelt" response. Heart to Heart, that's the connection comarades must have in this, our fiercest of battles.
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      "Life is about Death - It is a fight for survival to the very end. ." Sadiku

      "Who wants equality with murderers, thieves, rapists, cheaters, liars,
      grave robbers, baby killers, baby stealers, savages, brutes and beasts?
      Who wants equality with the devil himself?" - Sadiku

      "Who wants to integrate [into] a burning house?" - James Baldwin

      "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or
      justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." - Malcolm X

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      I, too, felt the wisdom of your words Sadiku, however I disagree with your statment about superimposing ancient cultural paridigms, if you were referring to my post about indigenous concepts of responsibilty. While some young folks may not appreciate the heritage of our ancestors, respect and responsibilty are universal and timeless. It seems to me that the young sister (and I apologize for calling New Jeru a young buck - the words reminded me so much of one of my teenage cousins I had a male in mind) was expressing frustration at what she saw as a lack of responsibility in her community. I would be interested in hearing from her what she thinks the concrete solutions the hip hop folks she mentioned are offerring. From the little I know (and I'm pretty out of touch with things not watching TV at all), someone like Russell Simmons took the anti-Rockefeller Drug Laws issue, stuck his nose in it and didn't accomplish anything except upsetting the people who had been working hard on making some real progress with that issue.

      As an example of the disconnect that is happening, last month i took a group of local high school students on a trip to NYC. On the way down I let them put on one of their CDs and it was full of raunchy explicit lyrics which didn't seem to phase them, but horrified my wife. When we put on some Immortal Technique and dead prez, the students fell asleep. When I was in high school everyone bumped to Public Enemy regardless of being so-called conscious or not.

      And thinking of an example of why there is resentment towards the previous generation and why not everyone can be looked at as having done all they can, I submit exhibit A: Bobby Seale. Founder of the BPP, lives in Philly and hasn't done a damn thing about all the poltical prisoners who still languish in prison for their activities with the BPP and BLA, most notably Mumia Abu-Jamal, also from Philly and facing execution. I saw him many years ago do a speaking gig at a college and was promting Sieze the Time. when a young man of about 12 years asked him how he felt when he heard Huey Newton got killed, he launched into this long tirade about how Huey messed up the party, blah blah blah. It was pretty sickening. It's one thing to have old baggage, but I don't think that's what the young questioner was asking about. When I found out that Bobby lives in Philly and has never done a single thing on Mumia's behalf I really lost all respect for him. Seeing him in a documentary, All Power to the People, getting drunk in a bar with an ex-FBI agent....that was too much. That to me is a clear case of a lack of reponsibilty - not lifiting a finger for all the people locked up from their activities with an organization he helped start.

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      I understand your frustration with Bobby Seale. I have his book, but I have not read it. I am just getting around to reading Huey's literature. Reading Black Panther Literature and autobiographies is an emotional pull on me as I grew up right on their heels. Although I understand why you say what you say about Bobby and how you feel the way that you do, I don't want to be so fast to judge the brother because after reading some of the accounts about what took place with Eldridge Cleaver and the Party I cannot take issue with anybody in the party. The Black Panthers were totally revolutionary and they had so much to deal with. They were Black Pioneers. Many are lucky to still have their life today. Many Panthers were killed. I do not agree with many things that the some of the original Panthers are doing. I take issue with many of their actions. I have heard so much criitcism about them. But I must caution you that you weren't there and neither was I. If they, the remaining living Panthers, wish to answer questions about some of their present day actions in a forum specifically geared toward having them state their present day thoughts then cool. But they have gone through so so much. Remember always that they were pioneers. They didn't have a "play" book of which to go by. They created everything from scratch. "Mistakes" were made because they were trying to find their way. They were trying to find answers. There isn't any doubt that they were trying to liberate us, including Bobby Seale and others like him. So I refrain from harsh judgement and direct criticism of them. I have yet to go to jail and have F.B.I. and S.W.A.T. teams pull up on me and raid the house that I am in as a revolutionary. The Black Panthers have gone through much man, very much.
      "Life is about Death - It is a fight for survival to the very end. ." Sadiku

      "Who wants equality with murderers, thieves, rapists, cheaters, liars,
      grave robbers, baby killers, baby stealers, savages, brutes and beasts?
      Who wants equality with the devil himself?" - Sadiku

      "Who wants to integrate [into] a burning house?" - James Baldwin

      "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or
      justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." - Malcolm X

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      Quote Originally Posted by NewJerusalem
      I find it hard to apologize for my disrespectful comments when you return them.

      Banning me from a website and threatening to blacklist me from organizations in my community because I voiced my opinions and beliefs is very european, my "brother".

      The name is Jeree Danielle Smith, of Jersey City, New Jersey. Do what you feel is necessary. I feel the members of the Pan-Afrikanism organizations in my community are a bunch of self-righteous coffee shop revolutionaries anyway, who love to hear themselves talk. I wouldn't join one if they paid me a million dollars, I rather attend a Hip Hop summit where they speak about real issues in the community and actually put their money where their mouth is to make a change. (Russell Simmons, P. Diddy, T.I., Fat Joe, Master P, Run DMC, Mase etc.) Good day.
      Homie's head is just pointed in the wrong direction. All these kats that he mentioned: Russell Simmons, P. Diddy, T.I., Fat Joe, Master P, Run DMC, Mase, are self- righteous sellouts, modern day minstrels. They are for themselves. Look at the trash they put out to Black youth. I see nothing but them bragging about how much money they have, or how many sistas in those hoe outfits they have sex with. Lok at P-diddy's momma and how she dresses, like a clown. She suffers from "rich Nigga-itas", and I see where he got it from. Why not mention Mos Def, Common, KRS-1, Kanye West....And exactly would a Hip-hop summit do, but get them publicity to sell more of thier recorded trash.

      Malcolm X said something about us being the only ones who look to entertainers for leadership. Big mistake. If black young folks do that, our future is in more trouble than it already is.


      I'm sure you have listened to Nas:

      "American Way"
      (feat. Kelis)

      [Sample - Nas: "Political"]

      [Newscaster:] "Recently there has been an emergence of socially
      conscious and political rappers. It seems to be
      a new trend in the Hip-Hop world."

      [DJ scratches sample - Nas: "Nas is a rebel to America" 3X]

      [Vers 1: Nas]
      Yeah, check it, uh
      Spot build-rocker, lil' papa killed Hoffa
      Beard lil' longer, feel strong and I'll stop ya
      Drill sergeant, still thorough, wheelbarrows of distilled vodka
      Get me real bonkers like Will Ferrell on cat tranquilizer
      Rap guys get bank and think they messiahs, but they liars
      Vote fo who now? You're red, white and blue?
      I'm American too, but I ain't with the president's crew
      What you peddlin' and who you peddlin' to?

      You ain't got the ghetto with you
      Try'na lead my sheep to the slaughterhouse
      Talkin 'bout +Rap the Vote+, you ain't thought about
      The black vote mean nathan, who you gonna elect
      Satan or Satan? In the hood nothin is changin, uh
      We ain't got no choices who to choose
      Ten-years ago they were tryin to stop our voices
      And end Hip-Hop, they some hypocrites
      Condoleeza Rice - I don't really get this chick
      Tell her if she ever really cared about poor schools
      About poor children, then she gotta prove that she
      ain't just another coon Uncle Tom fool
      Like these MC's, gotta give 'em the rules
      Lie to the youth, Uncle Tom you confused
      Might as well give the Hip-Hop community a noose
      Need a truce with the gangs and some food for the hungry
      On Kerry nuts, he look at you like a monkey
      You MC's on that old slavery path
      The Bushs'll look at yo' ass and laugh
      See, it's all about community, let's help ourselves
      Cops brutalize us get dealt with with shells
      It's our turn, it's 'bout time we win
      Need somebody as the hood as my councilman
      , uh

      [Chorus: Kelis]
      Yeah I think about this everyday, that's the American Way, shit
      Yeah I think about this everyday, that's the American Way, shit
      ([Nas:] Cause that's the American way)
      Yeah I think about this everyday, that's the American Way, shit
      Yeah I think about this everyday, that's the American Way

      [Verse 2: Nas]
      Up in the steam room chillin', exfoliating the skin
      It's rarely men conversatin' on ends, probably businessmen
      I sense good taste, and they watch us, the spots an expensive place
      Manhattan New York, I'm try'na keep steamin'
      It's good for the lungs, had plans for the evening
      This man leans in, his boys laughing
      Now I'm the spokesperson for Black men, this always happens
      Says, "Since all Black women care about is who got dough
      And all we do is call them either bitch or a Black hoe"
      I say first brotha you ain't gotta be that cold

      Since you ignorant, I'ma show you how the facts go
      The biggest example in scandal of history
      Were Monica Lewinksy or Donald Trump's pimping spree
      Most woman who love Jeevanji of Gucci
      Are pretentious non-Black groupies or floozies
      But who are we to blame, not the dames
      It's a man-made game, in essence our woman the same
      Beautiful creatures, Black girls birthed the earth
      So they deserve to earn man's purse
      Matter fact, I'm about to go shopping with my dime
      Catch you cowards the next time, the next rhyme, uh

      [Chorus: Kelis singing]
      Yeah I think about this everyday, that's the American Way, shit
      ([Nas:] That's the American way)
      Yeah I think about this everyday, that's the American Way, shit
      ([Nas:] Cause that's the American way. What up, K?)
      Yeah I think about this everyday, that's the American Way, shit
      ([Nas:] That's the American way)
      Yeah I think about this everyday, that's the American Way, shit
      ([Nas:] Ha, yeah)

      I don't care about the runaways
      I don't care about who's gay
      I don't care about dying of AIDS
      But I care if I got paid
      Who even cares about the president?
      I think they're making a mistake
      I don't care about the hurricane
      As long as my family's safe
      I don't care about the candidates
      They burnt this country to bits
      Yeah I think about this everyday, that's the American Way ([Nas:] Uh)

      Can we make a change
      You know it's not overnight
      Let's start the fight (Nas: And ya don't stop, uh)
      Can we make a change
      You know it's not overnight
      Let's start the fight (Nas: Yeah)
      Yeah I think about this everyday, that's the American Way

      [Sample - Nas: Nas is a rebel to America!]




      I'm a Soldier in the original meaning- Someone commited to Afrikan Freedom.

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      I was just naming a few emcees who attend Hip Hop summits. I love the MCs you've named. But why is P. Diddy's mom a clown?? Every black person doesn't have to wear dashikis, kufi, afros, dreads and all that other stuff.

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      No, but they don't have to be 60 years old and dressing like some European slut either.

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      Quote Originally Posted by NewJerusalem
      How old are you ...like 40-50 years old??
      ...

      Quote Originally Posted by NewJerusalem
      Old heads are always turning their noses up at Hip Hop and my generation, when it's your generation's fault that most of us are where we are today-unemployed, uneducated, misguided, locked up, etc.
      Is that true?

      Quote Originally Posted by NewJerusalem
      YOUR generation let our neighborhoods become infested with drugs, diseases, poverty, crime, etc.
      Is that true?

      Quote Originally Posted by NewJerusalem
      The men of YOUR generation abandoned us and left most of us FATHERLESS causing us to turn to the streets and wrong people for guidance.
      Is that true?

      Quote Originally Posted by NewJerusalem
      YOUR generation didn't go that extra step to try to own businesses in our neighborhoods so that you can provide jobs for YOUR kids in the future.
      Is that true?

      Quote Originally Posted by NewJerusalem
      Go to Harlem, Newark NJ, Watts, Compton, Chicago, Detroit...Whites, Asians, and white Latinos own everything in the hood. Hip Hop is opening up so many doors and job opportunities for my generation and the generation to come, so I wish you guys would just shut the fuck up with the Hip Hop bashing.
      SUGGESTION:

      Stop cursing.

      REASON(S)/EXPLANATION(S):

      To "curse" people is to use "profanity" towards them in a manner that is likely to be thought of as insulting or demeaning. This often results in the promotion of hostility.

      The hostility promoted oftimes serves no constructive purpose. The use of "curse" words oftimes promotes "name-calling", discourtesy, and unneccessary fighting and/or killing.

      Quote Originally Posted by NewJerusalem
      Cuz our generation is doing a whole lot more than you guys have ever done.
      Does White Supremacy(Racism) still exist?

      Quote Originally Posted by NewJerusalem
      So when you guys hear a rap song where rappers are talking about selling drugs, getting locked up, gang banging, killing Black brothers and sisters, having sex with multiple partners, etc...look at yourselves because this is what you've caused. :!:
      Is that true?

      *********************************************

      I don't know about everyone else, but I'm going to place the blame exactly where it's suppose to be....

      WITH WHITE PEOPLE who practice WHITE SUPREMACY(RACISM).

      P.S. Are you a White Person, NewJerusalem?

      thanks..
      Last edited by NECKST; 08-03-2005 at 05:48 AM. Reason: My aim is perfection...

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