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      Rap Kidnaps Nationalism?


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      Hip Hop vocabulary has expanded in the last 20 years. Peep this:

      Word - Old Meaning - New Meaning
      • Struggle - The Afrikan Resistence Movement - The Cat-Mouse Game between Drug Dealers and Cops
      • Soldier - Someone commited to Afrikan Freedom - Someone commited to Selling Drugs, Street life and Bangin'
      • Liberated - Free a person from politically motivated prison term or to steal something from White power structure to use for betterment of black community - To escape or finish a bid related to Drug, Murder or Gang charges.
      • Blood - A fellow Afrikan with whom we share cultural spiritual and political goals - A boy or man that gangbangs with a gang called the Bloods, which does not consider all black men brothers.
      • Know any more? Add them.
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      Word: People's Army

      Old Meaning: Socialist/Communist paramilitary formations of the People (of various nations) fighting against capitalist/imperialist domination.

      New Meaning: Dead Prez's crew.

      [To be fair to dead prez though, I LIKE that they go by the name "The People's Army" and I don't consider it a "kidnapping" of the term so to speak]

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      How old are you ...like 40-50 years old?? Old heads are always turning their noses up at Hip Hop and my generation, when it's your generation's fault that most of us are where we are today-unemployed, uneducated, misguided, locked up, etc. YOUR generation let our neighborhoods become infested with drugs, diseases, poverty, crime, etc. The men of YOUR generation abandoned us and left most of us FATHERLESS causing us to turn to the streets and wrong people for guidance. YOUR generation didn't go that extra step to try to own businesses in our neighborhoods so that you can provide jobs for YOUR kids in the future. Go to Harlem, Newark NJ, Watts, Compton, Chicago, Detroit...Whites, Asians, and white Latinos own everything in the hood. Hip Hop is opening up so many doors and job opportunities for my generation and the generation to come, so I wish you guys would just shut the fuck up with the Hip Hop bashing. Cuz our generation is doing a whole lot more than you guys have ever done. So when you guys hear a rap song where rappers are talking about selling drugs, getting locked up, gang banging, killing Black brothers and sisters, having sex with multiple partners, etc...look at yourselves because this is what you've caused. :!:

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      Quote Originally Posted by NewJerusalem
      How old are you ...like 40-50 years old?? Old heads are always turning their noses up at Hip Hop and my generation, when it's your generation's fault that most of us are where we are today-unemployed, uneducated, misguided, locked up, etc. YOUR generation let our neighborhoods become infested with drugs, diseases, poverty, crime, etc. The men of YOUR generation abandoned us and left most of us FATHERLESS causing us to turn to the streets and wrong people for guidance. YOUR generation didn't go that extra step to try to own businesses in our neighborhoods so that you can provide jobs for YOUR kids in the future. Go to Harlem, Newark NJ, Watts, Compton, Chicago, Detroit...Whites, Asians, and white Latinos own everything in the hood. Hip Hop is opening up so many doors and job opportunities for my generation and the generation to come, so I wish you guys would just shut the fuck up with the Hip Hop bashing. Cuz our generation is doing a whole lot more than you guys have ever done. So when you guys hear a rap song where rappers are talking about selling drugs, getting locked up, gang banging, killing Black brothers and sisters, having sex with multiple partners, etc...look at yourselves because this is what you've caused. :!:
      Take a niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice sloooooooooow deeeeeeeeep breath...relaaaaaaax...relaaaaaaaax...relaaaaaaaaa x...now exhaaaaaaaaaale. Too much stress could cause you to die early.

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      Quote Originally Posted by rebelafrika
      Take a niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice sloooooooooow deeeeeeeeep breath...relaaaaaaax...relaaaaaaaax...relaaaaaaaaa x...now exhaaaaaaaaaale. Too much stress could cause you to die early.
      I'm cool, some people just need to be checked.

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      Quote Originally Posted by NewJerusalem
      I'm cool, some people just need to be checked.
      Naw New Jeru i think it was more less a comparison between the two. It shows how much more we have in common with the last generation.
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      I feel your anger aND frustration its good to have that, but your targeting the wrong group. The same conditions that our people before us went through were going through now. Its being done by the same individuals whose whole intent is to see us destroyed. The Elders before us did as much as they could now its our turn to learn from their mistakes and be much more prepared.
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      Greetings of Afrikan Love Family,

      I am Joanie, a RE~covering Afrikan amerikkkan and Re~presentative from the Voices in the Margins.


      Quote Originally Posted by NewJerusalem
      How old are you ...like 40-50 years old?? Old heads are always turning their noses up at Hip Hop and my generation, when it's your generation's fault that most of us are where we are today-unemployed, uneducated, misguided, locked up, etc. YOUR generation let our neighborhoods become infested with drugs, diseases, poverty, crime, etc. The men of YOUR generation abandoned us and left most of us FATHERLESS causing us to turn to the streets and wrong people for guidance. YOUR generation didn't go that extra step to try to own businesses in our neighborhoods so that you can provide jobs for YOUR kids in the future. Go to Harlem, Newark NJ, Watts, Compton, Chicago, Detroit...Whites, Asians, and white Latinos own everything in the hood. Hip Hop is opening up so many doors and job opportunities for my generation and the generation to come, so I wish you guys would just shut the fuck up with the Hip Hop bashing. Cuz our generation is doing a whole lot more than you guys have ever done. So when you guys hear a rap song where rappers are talking about selling drugs, getting locked up, gang banging, killing Black brothers and sisters, having sex with multiple partners, etc...look at yourselves because this is what you've caused. :!:
      THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT http://www.assatashakur.org/forums/u...ead.php?t=7845

      New Jerusalem,

      Your message is RIGHT ON POINT! however, when you choose words/phrases such as highlighted in *red* in seems to move the discussion to a debate or "attack". This places the other person in a place of "defense". the battle of words BE~gins.

      Problem here for me is that WE end up *Verbally fighting" each other.

      I'm glad you felt comfortable enough to share your thoughts and feelings!
      I'm glad you are "cool" yet I BE~lieve it 1.dis~respectful to "check" an elder in the manner you were taught (to debate), 2. that the elder may simply have been looking to engage in "dialogue" with you and others as opposed to "bash" anyone and 3. and i agree 100% with BlkSpartacus..."they did the best they could with what they had".

      Stay Strong and Let's make this a "New Jerusalem" in terms of HOW WE VERBALLY INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER.


      Akpe for allowing me to share

      In Love of Afrikans home and abroad.

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      Quote Originally Posted by NewJerusalem
      How old are you ...like 40-50 years old?? Old heads are always turning their noses up at Hip Hop and my generation, when it's your generation's fault that most of us are where we are today-unemployed, uneducated, misguided, locked up, etc. YOUR generation let our neighborhoods become infested with drugs, diseases, poverty, crime, etc. The men of YOUR generation abandoned us and left most of us FATHERLESS causing us to turn to the streets and wrong people for guidance. YOUR generation didn't go that extra step to try to own businesses in our neighborhoods so that you can provide jobs for YOUR kids in the future. Go to Harlem, Newark NJ, Watts, Compton, Chicago, Detroit...Whites, Asians, and white Latinos own everything in the hood. Hip Hop is opening up so many doors and job opportunities for my generation and the generation to come, so I wish you guys would just shut the fuck up with the Hip Hop bashing. Cuz our generation is doing a whole lot more than you guys have ever done. So when you guys hear a rap song where rappers are talking about selling drugs, getting locked up, gang banging, killing Black brothers and sisters, having sex with multiple partners, etc...look at yourselves because this is what you've caused. :!:
      I am 33 years old. My peer group (30-40) invented rap. We dont need you to tell us anything about it. lol We loaned it to you like a hand me down sweater after we finished junior high. Just remember I might ask for it back.

      By the way, You sound like P Diddy Not Angela Davis. Are you sure you at the right forum? This isnt the Dogg Pound Gang Message Board. This isn't Young Jeezy Fan Club Forum.

      Please watch your mouth. Next time you curse a member out you will kicked off this board and have your I.P address banned. If I knew your real name I'd called every Pan-Afrikan and Afrocentric organization in your city and tell them to ban you too until you learn how to talk to your fellow brothers and sisters. This is not a game. We play respect here.

      Pointing to age as some kind of disease is very european. Creating some impression that laundering dope money into music labels as opportunities is also very european. Blaming someone else for your behavior or the content of your actions is the HEIGHT of eurocentricism.

      Placing Hip-Hop higher than Black Nationalism is the height of immaturity. Our freedom, original culture, Afrikan spiritualism and our lives have existed since the first human walked on Earth. Hip-Hop has yet to reach 30 years old. In Afrikan tradition, its not even at elder status yet. (Church!)

      When you point a finger at your brother or sister, you got 4 coming back at you. We all lost Daddies and Mamas - you're special in this regard? The question is, can you maintain a healthy relationship with a brother so that YOU are not responsible for the same condition when you become a parent? Or will you just tell your child "it aint my fault"???

      Dont get it twisted. Some of us have seen enough for two of your lifetimes. This is OUR LIFE. Most of the times it aint running to a Hip-Hop soundtrack, its running to Afrikan drums!!! (and thats flier than an 808 drum kick coming out of 1,000 12inch woofers in the background best believe.)

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      I am suggesting that rap IS raping black nationalism and I dont like it. Period. borrowing revolutionary terminology and assigning it to crime is immoral.
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      I'll jump into the fray here and add some thoughts and for the record I'm 33. Yeah New Jerusalem came with a lot of anger that was unnecessary given the origianl posting, but I think it reflected a very valid sentiment among the youth. While I thoroughly respect what previous generations have done in the struggle, I'm also sick of hearing older folks in the movement talk about the gold ole' days, many refusing to recognize their own failings which contributed to the sorry state we are in nowadays. The youth definately feel alienated in general and its unfortuante that waht attracts them is the BS fantasy world that these crakkka, jew and house nigga record execs promote that creates a glorification of irresonsible behavior and creates the changes that I think the original post was pointing out.

      Prosposing to ban a young buck and call around to different organizationss to ban them only reinforces the alienation our youth feel already. While I beleive strongly in discipline when someone gets out of line, banning/kickingout is too often the first instinct of some of us slightly older folks. I've seen it happen many times. That said, discipline is essential esp. for our young men, as too many are growing up without present fathers and are too often not held responsible for their behaviors by their mothers resulting in at worst-young "men" who are easy prey for the shit-stem resulting in prison, death, being maimed for life or taking into their 30s or longer to grow up to be real, responsible men. Responsibilty is an essential part of our indigenous world view. I say this as a red man who works quite abit with Afrikans and New Afrikans on areas of common interest. From what I have learned in those interactions the world view of most indigenous people whether over here or across the waters is that in this life we must be responsible to ourselves, family, clan, community, nation, earth, the ancestors and all living things.

      New Jeru, take responsibility in a humble way for what you have already said, and please continue to dialogue about this issue. Your feelings are valid, but I think misdirected in this case. I understand where you are coming from, I too have felt betrayed by the past generation at times. However, achieving 15 min of fame and some chump change in a racist music industry while rapping about nothing real is not something to be proud of for the "hip hop generation". Building real self-determination-businesses, schools, taking care of the young to the old-that is something to be proud of and it's something my generation's parents set out to do and came under ruthless attack by the United Snakes for. Only through respectful dialogue and debate can we figure out how to deal with the shitty situation we are in.

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      I find it hard to apologize for my disrespectful comments when you return them.

      Banning me from a website and threatening to blacklist me from organizations in my community because I voiced my opinions and beliefs is very european, my "brother".

      The name is Jeree Danielle Smith, of Jersey City, New Jersey. Do what you feel is necessary. I feel the members of the Pan-Afrikanism organizations in my community are a bunch of self-righteous coffee shop revolutionaries anyway, who love to hear themselves talk. I wouldn't join one if they paid me a million dollars, I rather attend a Hip Hop summit where they speak about real issues in the community and actually put their money where their mouth is to make a change. (Russell Simmons, P. Diddy, T.I., Fat Joe, Master P, Run DMC, Mase etc.) Good day.

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      We all have some anger from the previous generation. But when do we stop venting and start making changes. I too, being just a child when the Panthers came into being, looked back on the whole Black Power Movement and took issue with the sad state of affairs that I found my community, the Black community in. I said to myself and a couple of them that they too failed us, my generation. But in reality I had to reassess the situation and say, "but they must have done all they could do 'cause they tried and it shows that they tried." It wasn't like they just layed down and took a lot of shit. They created inumerable organizations and fought and died.

      Young sister, please read the Cointelpro (Counter Intelligence Program) Document. It is somewhere on this forum and I am sure that if you did a search that you could find it. It will give you a new perspective on what was prevented from being accomplished. Search for Black Wall Street and read and learn the stories of the many communities that existed like Black Wall Street, but were burned to the ground. Read, young sister read and learn so that "YOU" can make a difference for your people too.

      I am the oldest person on this particular thread so far. But I can relate to hip hop because I have taken the time to listen and "hear" what is being said. I see the manifestation and the entrenchment of that whole Blackploitation mindset coming from the movies of the 1970's. The liberal use of the "Pimping and Hoeing" terminology all came from that era. It has just become totally repulsive and self destructive to an extreme inconceivable to my mind as a child. They sold plenty of drugs when I was a I child -teenager. It just wasn't as rampant and self-destructive in "all" the major city "ghettoes" as it had been say "New York, L.A., and Chicago." Hell back then I even smoked weed. I find no use for it now, but it was a bridge I had to cross. It is not germaine to my existence anymore and had I had "proper" guidance and direction I don't think I ever would have indulged.

      I am ashame to say it, but by me watching those movies of the Blackploitation period, I too wanted to be a "Pimp" and a big time "Drug Dealer" (which I call petty drug peddlers now that I know the real story). That's what was being glorified in my day along with the Black Power Movement. I was actually receiving two different messages! I am lucky that I ain't screwed up and fucked up in the head and in somebody's mental institution 'cause I was surely being programmed as I went to the show every chance I got, damn near every week. Superfly and everything related to this "Black Cultural Icon" permeated my brain and everything in and around my 'hood. From the hairstyle to the clothes to the dope to the women was "in." It just goes to show you how powerful the media (medium of communication) is in it's ability to influence the positive development or destruction of young Black minds. The "Superfly" movie soundtrack must have went 10 times platinum and that was back in the day. It could be heard on every record player in the Black community. Now what we have today is "Superfly" to the tenth power. This is the legacy that I was left with. We all was left with this. I am in pain too, but the key is that I can sit back and analyze this BS and realize what has taken place. Where the mistakes were made and how we can come up out of this foolishness, this craziness, because that is exactly what it is when you have wanton disregard for your peoples' well being and progress. And participate in your own destruction and the destruction of future generations, including your children and grandchildren.

      Now, I have teenagers. I do lots of teaching. Night and day. My motto is, "I must stay sane and sober and out the "streets", so that I can teach, set an example, and continue to be a role model." Drugs is everywhere within our communities. Literally on every corner. What household do you know of within the entire Black community that has not been "touched" by the drug epidemic? How can we combat this? What are we going to leave for my children's generation? Your Children? I am willing to work on whatever project is going to pull us out this mess. If it is sincerity, commitment, and "work" then I am all for it. We all are angry, but let's deal with it and come up with solutions and not exacerbate an already volatile situation. We are hurting people. We all are. I feel that I am hurting more than any of you because I have been here longer, but when I look at my elders who have been in this struggle trying to survive and make revolution at the same time, I can only imagine what they have gone through. That is when I cast my petty azz pain aside, pull up my bootstraps, wipe the tears away and find my way back to the front lines. My pain is no greater than the next sister's or brother's. I have not walked in their shoes. I may not have been "as homeless, as hungry, as cold, as stepped on as much, so I do not portend that my pain is greater. For anyone thinking that their "Black" pain is any greater than any other Black person's pain then I always ask, "Do you want to exchange pain?"

      In closing, superimposing thousands of years old cultural pradigms on a young mindset bombarded with all the aforementioned negativity is not how we achieve the objective, which is to enlist as many soldiers as possible by cultivating and developing and teaching and setting new cultural paradigms. Alienating our youth is not going to advance us one iota, because these are the ones we so desperately love and need. They are "our" offspring and they are hurting. That is why you see me here.

      Hopefully, I have made a breakthrough here, because that definitely was my intent.



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      "Who wants equality with murderers, thieves, rapists, cheaters, liars,
      grave robbers, baby killers, baby stealers, savages, brutes and beasts?
      Who wants equality with the devil himself?" - Sadiku

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      "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or
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      For the record, this post isnt about the AGE of rap/hip-hop listeners, its about the criminal element in the music industry co-opting Afrikan Liberation language to convey B.S. messages to the youth. Its about morality and the slow denigation of an artform that was supposed to free minds.
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      Ganster - Old Meaning - Italian mob/mafia members known for exploiting and terrorizing Black communities through coercion, blackmail and control of lucrative and most times illicit businesses such as drug deals and sales, loan sharking, numbers racket, prostitution, music industry contracts, music show venues and promotion, and boxing promotion of Black prize fighters and lucrative prize fighting venues.

      Gansta - New Meaning - Black males infatuated with hiphop emceeing who take on the persona and names of infamous italian mafia mobsters and inturn terrorize and peddle drugs to exploit members of their Black communities and whose bravado brags of exploits of doing prison time as a rites-of-passage to thughood (pseudo Manhood) and pseudo gansterism. Also the promoting, degradation,and exploitation of the Black female in any and every way possible.
      "Life is about Death - It is a fight for survival to the very end. ." Sadiku

      "Who wants equality with murderers, thieves, rapists, cheaters, liars,
      grave robbers, baby killers, baby stealers, savages, brutes and beasts?
      Who wants equality with the devil himself?" - Sadiku

      "Who wants to integrate [into] a burning house?" - James Baldwin

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      BRILLIANT!

      i felt that, deeply and to the core. Asante Sana, strong Bro. Sadiku for your eloquence.

      Quote Originally Posted by Sadiku
      We all have some anger from the previous generation. But when do we stop venting and start making changes. I too, being just a child when the Panthers came into being, looked back on the whole Black Power Movement and took issue with the sad state of affairs that I found my community, the Black community in. I said to myself and a couple of them that they too failed us, my generation. But in reality I had to reassess the situation and say, "but they must have did all they could do cause they tried and it shows that they tried." It wasn't like they just layed down and took a lot of shit. They created inumerable organizations and fought and died.

      Young sister, please read the Cointelpro (Counter Intelligence Program) Document. It is somewhere on this forum and I am sure that if you did a search that you could find it. It will give you a new perspective on what was prevented from being accomplished. Search for Black Wall Street and read and learn the stories of the many communities that existed like Black Wall Streets, but were burn to the ground. Read, young sister read and learn so that "YOU" can make a difference for your people too.

      I am the oldest person on this particular thread so far. But I can relate to hip hop because I have taken the time to listen and "hear" what is being said. I see the manifestation and the entrenchment of that whole Blackploitation mindset coming from the movies of the 1970's. The liberal use of the "Pimping and Hoeing" terminology all came from that era. It has just become totally repulsive and self destructive to an extreme inconceivable to my mind as a child. They sold plenty of drugs when I was a I child -teenager. It just wasn't as rampant and self-destructive in "all" the major city "ghettoes" as it had been say "New York, L.A., and Chicago." Hell back then I even smoked weed. I find no use for it now, but it was a bridge I had to cross. It is not germaine to my existence anymore and had I had "property" guidance and direction I don't think I ever would have indulged.

      I am ashame to say it, but by me watching those movies of the Blackploitation period, I too wanted to be a "Pimp" and a big time "Drug Dealer" (which I call petty drug peddlers now that I know the real story). That's what was being glorified in my day along with the Black Power Movement. I was actually receiving two different messages! I am lucky that I ain't screwed up and fucked up in the head and in somebody's mental institution 'cause I was surely being programmed as I went to the show every chance I got, damn near every week. Superfly and everything related to this "Black Cultural Icon" permeated my brain and everything in and around my 'hood. From the hairstyle to the clothes to the dope to the women was "in." It just goes to show you how powerful the media (medium of communication) is in it's ability to influence the positive development or destruction of young Black minds. The "Superfly" movie soundtrack must have went 10 times platinum and that was back in the day. It could be heard on every record player in the Black community. Now what we have today is "Superfly" to the tenth power. This is the Legacy that I was left with. We all was left with this. I am in pain too, but the key is that I can sit back and analyze this BS and realize what has taken place. Where the mistakes was made and how we can come up out of this foolishness, this craziness, because that is exactly what it is when you have wanton disregard for your peoples' well being and progress. And participate in your own destruction and the destruction of future generations, including your children and grandchildren.

      Now, I have teenagers. I do lots of teaching. Night and day. My motto is, "I must stay sane and sober and out the "streets", so that I can teach, set an example, and continue to be a role model." Drugs is everywhere within our communities. Literally on every corner. What household do you kow of within the entire Black community that has not been "touched" by the drug epidemic? How can we combat this? What are we going to leave for my children's generation? Your Children? I am willing to work on whatever project is going to pull us out this mess. If it is sincerity, commitment, and "work" then I am all for it. We all are angry, but let's deal with it and come up with solutions and not exacerbate an already volatile situation. We are hurting people. We all are. I feel that I am hurting more than any of you because I have been here longer, but when I look at my elders who have been in this struggle trying to survive and make revolution at the same time, I can only imagine what they have gone through. That is when I cast my petty azz pain aside, pull up my bootstraps, wipe the tears away and find my way back to the front lines. My pain is no greater than the next sister's or brother's. I have not walked in their shoes. I may not have been "as homeless, as hungry, as cold, as stepped on as much, so I do not portend that my pain is greater. For anyone thinking that their "Black" pain is any greater than any other Black person's pain then I always ask, "Do you want to exchange pain?"

      In closing, superimposing thousands of years old cultural pradigms on a young mindset bombarded with all the aforementioned negativity is not how we achieve the objective, which is to enlist as many soldiers as possible by cultivating and developing and teaching and setting new cultural paradigms. Alienating our youth is not going to advance us one iota, because these are the ones we so desperately love and need. They are "our" offspring and they are hurting. That is why you see me here.

      Hopefully, I have made a breakthrough here, because that definitely was my intent.


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