Life in euro controlled environments is going according to aims to turn night into day and day into night... i.e., to blur the natural lines between what has always been and will continue to be. A new nickname's present now: the "young and restless," re 25-34 year college educated with professional careers.
Restlessness is prime characteristic of YURUGU. But tell some of our young upward mobility Black folk to beware of not only what they seek but how and why this blurring of gender roles/identity marches on.
Po' Yurugu, blew his feminine principle at creation's beginnings and is destined to keep chasing after it. Our problem is ignorance of "The Way" tha Ayi Kwei Armah identifies. So we, many many of us, have also lost the way.
The Assata Shakur forum will lose its purpose if people continue to perpetrate chauvenism and male supremacy. The very assertion that feminine power is dangerous to a community, the very assertion that equality in the realm of economics, social relations, and politics will be destroying the principles of the community is Eurocentric. The purpose of alleviating oppressing is to liberate Afrikan women. For Black feminism is Afrikan: it is the reassertion of a woman warrior's rightful place as a equal of that of her man and the destruction of patriarchy. Patriarchy and anti feminism is undermining the cause of liberation. Anyone who takes the position that women should not seek empowerment through womanism is taking a counterrevolutionary position. They are also politically immature, inadvertantly encouraging suppression of Afrikan women.
What would Assata, a Black feminist, think if she read this male supremacist, honky influenced horseshit?
That's certainly something to think about if we are to truly to say that we are fighting for the cause of liberation for ALL members of the collective.
Secondly, me a father of three daughter's sexist in any kind of way is flat out disrespectful and I challenge you on it!
Thirdly, isn't it egotistical as well as ass-uming for you to come to someone on a internet forum and from one post assume that "your ideas about gender and how it relates to men and women is influenced by Eurocentric models of womanood and what it means to be a woman." I dont know what it means to be a woman because im not a woman. Yet I do know basic duties that men and women have according to the principles applied to my life that have less to do with western life, than your post does with accuracy and facts.
My point was that it WAS a mental issue for a person to THINK that if he dressed "LIKE A WOMAN OR MAN" then his/her homosexuality would be solidified.
Why don't you realize that you barking up the wrong tree with your soap box bull.
P.S. Could you introduce me to the literature or document where Mama Assata said she was a feminist please?
I agree, masculine superiority over femininity or feminine superiority over masculinity are both cancer seeds to Afrikan families. The male and female are two parts of the same unit. They have different powers and responsibilities but travel in the same direction and on equal footing. The feminist movement crates conflict in the home
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This movement has absolutely nothing to do with being an African woman. White leading feminist over the years have abandoned African woman when they needed them most. What happened to Shirley Chisholm when she ran for president and NOW was supposed to support her? Not only did they abandoned her for a man, but they eventually abandoned her all together.
African people continuously get caught up in traps set by our enemied when we constantly look to define ourselves by foreign term and conditions. There is no way to tie feminism into African thought or norms. It is a western thought process. ANy attempt to apply it into what our foreparents were about is detrimental to the real struggle which is African liberation. Any other struggle outside of this is counter productive as well as counter revolutionary!
I'm quite sure Mama Assata would be proud of that.
My comment was not a personal affront to you nor your children. It was to comment on your views regarding feminism and your comment about homosexuality. I only challenged you on the stance because for me, it was influenced by other factors. I must also say that each man in this country is influenced by sexism, including Black men, and they must constantly fight against it. No man has an immunity to it, regardless of his personal or political station, even if consciously fighting against it. I also stated that the thinking that propagated the stance went along the lines of sexism.Secondly, me a father of three daughter's sexist in any kind of way is flat out disrespectful and I challenge you on it!
I wasn't being egotistical, brother. I was being honest as well as questioning the political assertions you were making in your posts. The ideas about there being one set of roles for each gender tie into the basic premise ofThirdly, isn't it egotistical as well as ass-uming for you to come to someone on a internet forum and from one post assume that "your ideas about gender and how it relates to men and women is influenced by Eurocentric models of womanood and what it means to be a woman." I dont know what it means to be a woman because im not a woman.
What are the basic duties of men and women and who influenced what the basic duties are?Yet I do know basic duties that men and women have according to the principles applied to my life that have less to do with western life, than your post does with accuracy and facts.
But look at the terminology you used again for a second time. Your comment went beyond how a brother or sister dressed:My point was that it WAS a mental issue for a person to THINK that if he dressed "LIKE A WOMAN OR MAN" then his/her homosexuality would be solidified.
I have a problem with the new homosexual male or female is their misrepresentation of what a man woman is supposed to be.
This was what made me question the comment. What is a man/woman supposed to be? And who influenced that view? When I hear someone say this, they usually go by the European view of what it means to be a woman and regard a woman's dress as being a symbol of femininity. Thus, I got a hint of influence other than it being Afrikan. You might not be conscious of it and certainly don't mean for it to come off that way, but it does.
This is a sad representation of womanhood!
Again, as I stated, what is womanhood, and who defines womanhood? And who is to say that a woman dressing another style from what is regarded to be appropriate for her sex deemed as being a misrepresentation of womanhood?
All I'm doing is challenging your stance. We are supposed to be building. If your stance is completely different, you are free to correct me.Why don't you realize that you barking up the wrong tree with your soap box bull.
Hasn't sister Assata proclaimed times that she wishes to fight against sexism? That, in essence, is what Black feminism is about. It is not about fighting men. But rather it is about relating the struggle of liberation to us personally as women and building with brothers on a non patriarchal ground.P.S. Could you introduce me to the literature or document where Mama Assata said she was a feminist please?
Of course it does. There is a difference between white feminism and Black feminism/womanism. Our womanism relates to equality in the economic, social, and political arena, building on issues that actively affect our community, and working towards a united front as Black people. It benefits the entire community. Nothing bad can come out of it. Only if it is misunderstood, there will be problems.
Black feminism/womanism is not white feminism. White women are repressed while Black women are oppressed. I do not view my struggle as being the same as theirs. Black womanism is about our struggles and how it relates to liberation for our people overall. I say this: Black feminist struggle is liberation for the entire community and our reestablishment as Afrikan warrior women.White leading feminist over the years have abandoned African woman when they needed them most. What happened to Shirley Chisholm when she ran for president and NOW was supposed to support her? Not only did they abandoned her for a man, but they eventually abandoned her all together.
What is the trap? We have mostly defined who we are gender wise according to a foreign system. Once we really study Afrikan principles, Black feminism/womanism is about community and bringing back human collectivity.African people continuously get caught up in traps set by our enemied when we constantly look to define ourselves by foreign term and conditions. There is no way to tie feminism into African thought or norms.
But the misunderstanding of womanism and advocating patriarchal thought towards is a western thought process.It is a western thought process.
Our Ancestral mothers were the epitome of Black feminism/womanism. We've had a long history of it. Black feminist struggle is not the anti thesis of Afrikan liberation.ANy attempt to apply it into what our foreparents were about is detrimental to the real struggle which is African liberation.
The most revolutionary of sisters in the past have been active Black feminists. Sister Angela, Assata, Sojourner Truth, Francis Beale, Toni Cade Bambara, bell hooks, Pearl Cleage, and Ntzoke Shange have stated that the oppression of Black women must take the form of revolutionary Black feminism. In order to do that, Black men and women must not be threatened by women reclaiming that power, for it undermines our struggle as a whole. For be empowered as a womanist is purely Afrikan in that it is taking our community back to one of equality based on humanity, and the absence of patriarchy and oppression based on gender. Why would this not be considered Afrikan, when to be an Afrikan woman is to build on these principles in order to attain political freedom? To take the position as anything less is to be politically counterrevolutionary.Any other struggle outside of this is counter productive as well as counter revolutionary!
I will challenge those posters politically to their commitment as revolutionaries by their stance towards feminism and their understanding of it.
This is the power that Sister Assata was fighting for. For she was not only fighting for eradication of racism, she was fighting for the eradication of patriarchal thought as a Black woman.
If a man puts on a dress and say's he's dressing like a woman, then that is a misinterpretation of how women dress. If a woman puts on a suit and feels she's dressing like a man then that's a misinterpretation of manhood.
Now if thats male chauvinist/sexist or what have you then that I am!!
Mama Assata has not claimed to be a feminist nor claimed to show support for the feminist movement because unlike most sistas in amerikkka, she sees through the bullshit of "feminism". Her philosophy is African Liberation hence the movement she was in called the Black Liberation Army. She knows the feminist movement is another tool by the enemy to separate the African woman from the African man in our efforts to be a free and liberated people.
The feminist movement has done as much for the African woman than the white man has. And that is screwed her with no vaseline and kicked back into the arms of her African man, or African woman these day's.
You sound like a muslim trying to explain to me how the blackmans natural religion is Islam. And that the first muslim was adam because he prayed to one god. What Africa society had feminist? If they had feminist, how where they defined? What language did they speak? What people (not in any history books nor recorded anywhere) in Africa considered themselves feminist?
Even you in your so called defense of African women u are applying the white man's tactics of defining and labeling people according to his own eyes. according your YOUR WESTERN UNDERSTANDING of them. You cannot go among the Masai and find a feminist nor a supporter of it.
So how can you say they where feminist when they themselves didn't, in Mama Assata case don't, claim to be?
This thread has become a great source to me since I'm taking a sociological class on public policy and my professor is a white female feminist, and its pretty clear in our syllabus we will talk about feminism so I love to hear the African perspective on it. You guys haven't dissapointed me on this subject
In my opinion Feminism and Womanism were born out of the Euro experience in America. I don't think I would be happy if I was a woman and my man would portray me as a soft, and sensitive woman who could fall prey to loving a 100 ft beast (King Kong). The Eurocentric patriarchal system has no balance whats so ever, and understanding the fundamental of science every action produces a reaction and every extreme action produces an extreme reaction thus we have Feminism. Africana Womanism like some of my sisters are championing is based on the experience of Black Women in America. As our sister W.I.S.E. says,
"For be empowered as a womanist is purely Afrikan in that it is taking our community back to one of equality based on humanity, and the absence of patriarchy and oppression based on gender"
If Womanism wants to return our people back to our roots where equality is based on humanity, than why call it "Womanism" or "African Womanism? To me we're better off describing that philosophy as Sankofa.
In pre colonial Asante the role of men and women was a very interesting dynamic. Women and Men were always equal in society, matter of fact what made Asante women very special was the fact that they were able to do everything that a man could do, a woman could farm just as good as men. Do you think Nana Yaa Asantewaa was a rule to the exception? If so you're dead wrong, where man couldn't step up women would jump in and say if you're such a wimp I will exchange your underwear with mine and I will fight instead.
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