Is there a such thing as FREEDOM?

[josteele]

Is there a such thing as freedom? How would you define it? Who in the world would you describe as a free person/people? (dictionary definitions count as well).

After pondering the possibility of anarchism I realized how important rules are to everyday life. Are the placement of rules taking away from the meaning of freedom. I mean lets look at it like this if we were all free to do everything we wanted and I decided to cut down all the trees in the world, wouldnt that leave a problem? What if I was driving down the street and decided to shift lanes as a car is trying to speed past, shouldnt I be free to do so in a free country?

When realizing the necessity of rules in the world one must then re-evaluate what we believe Freedom is, and how its distributed. Is freedom being equally distributed? What are the prerequisites for the process of the distrubution of freedom? Should freedom even be distrubuted? If so, then by who?

(I got to think about my answer so I'll be back).

[josteele]

Originally Posted by Raqin Escobar

Freedom is not a state that is attainable because Allah (SWT) has created man to worship Him. He has made you a servant or slave of Allah. So the whole concept of freedom as it is passed down to us... is not an objective, it is not a realism. You cannot be free enough not to die, you cannot be free enough not to breathe, you cannot be free enough not to eat food... And that in being slaves to Allah, it is not a thing that demeans or puts us down but it raises us

I understand what your saying. I have a way of separating what (ALLAH) prevents us from doing, and what HUMANS prevent us from doing. Gods make LAWS these cannot be broken there is now way around them one cannot trick a God, even the mighty planets follow by Gods laws. RULES are made by humans they can be broken, for they exist only in the mind. Speaking only of mans rules here on earth can there be freedom?

[Kweku_Omowale]

greetings of peace and serenity! joesteele

freedom is the action of being free,withoutn being regulated,in todays world everything is regulated toa t,our ancestors enjoyed freedom,across the great savanahs of afrika,it was perfect bliss,there is no freedom when the land,that you reside is beingm invaded and conquest,conquest doesnt bring freedom,nuthin but struggle,the persian,greco roman and arab invasion of afrika,brought nuthin but blooodshed,thru the arabization of the continent
I.S.L.A.M IN SLAVERY LEGACY,AFRIKANS MURDERED!

[josteele]

Originally Posted by Kweku_Omowale

greetings of peace and serenity! joesteele

freedom is the action of being free,withoutn being regulated,in todays world everything is regulated toa t,our ancestors enjoyed freedom,across the great savanahs of afrika,it was perfect bliss,there is no freedom when the land,that you reside is beingm invaded and conquest,conquest doesnt bring freedom,nuthin but struggle,the persian,greco roman and arab invasion of afrika,brought nuthin but blooodshed,thru the arabization of the continent
I.S.L.A.M IN SLAVERY LEGACY,AFRIKANS MURDERED!

Do you think in todays day and age that we can ever be free again. I mean our homeland is in shambles in many places. Then theres the places that are ran by whites, not to mention the places that are ran by Blacks but depend on the whites. With all these damn coalations in the world the future looks bleek, especially if we trying to go against an army, and its hard to get 10 Black folks to agree on the same thing let along fight for the same thing.

[rebelAfrika]

Originally Posted by Raqin Escobar

Freedom is not a state that is attainable because Allah (SWT) has created man to worship Him. He has made you a servant or slave of Allah. So the whole concept of freedom as it is passed down to us... is not an objective, it is not a realism. You cannot be free enough not to die, you cannot be free enough not to breathe, you cannot be free enough not to eat food... And that in being slaves to Allah, it is not a thing that demeans or puts us down but it raises us

In the future, I would suggest that you preface such statements with the point that this is YOUR belief as a Muslim. That way you are not lying when you say what you say and at the same time you are not disregarding and/or disrespecting the beliefs of others. It's just a suggestion. You can take it or you can let it alone.

[Revolutionary_Student]

Originally Posted by Assata Shakur

You askin' me about freedom?... I know more about what freedom ISN'T than about what it is. Cuz I've NEVER been free. I can only share my vision with you... of the future of what freedom is... Freedom is the right to grow, the right to block from, the right to be yourself, the right to be who you wanna be...

Nuff said. Uhuru!

[BlackQueen]

"The most rewarding freedom is freedom of the mind."-Amy Jacques Garvey


Freedom is not just physical,it is mental. In order to be truly free,we must know who we truly are,our history,our culture.

[GoodRain]

Originally Posted by josteele

Is there a such thing as freedom? How would you define it? Who in the world would you describe as a free person/people? (dictionary definitions count as well).

After pondering the possibility of anarchism I realized how important rules are to everyday life. Are the placement of rules taking away from the meaning of freedom. I mean lets look at it like this if we were all free to do everything we wanted and I decided to cut down all the trees in the world, wouldnt that leave a problem? What if I was driving down the street and decided to shift lanes as a car is trying to speed past, shouldnt I be free to do so in a free country?

When realizing the necessity of rules in the world one must then re-evaluate what we believe Freedom is, and how its distributed. Is freedom being equally distributed? What are the prerequisites for the process of the distrubution of freedom? Should freedom even be distrubuted? If so, then by who?

(I got to think about my answer so I'll be back).

It Is A Question Of How Much Freedom That You Have. Everybody is free from the person thats paralyzed to the freest soul. The paralyzed person is free because they ultimately choosed to come on this plane. Without freedom they couldnt have made that decision. You might be able to figure out from the statements above that freedom is one of the words that shows the limitations of English. But it is supposed to be that way. We as a tribe are supposed to work our way through these intanglements.

[GoodRain]

The universal laws are set up to have people limit their freedom of their mind by their own intelligence or unintelligencce, habits, addictions, egos, personal pride. Egos and personal pride have to do with a need to be you, having everybodies attention. You have to prove to be able to live without those kind of humanities. Then it will be allright because it will be done with the focus being towards the right things and the degree of it wont be over done unless you get overtaken by evil spirits.
Freedom can be defined by putting it on scales or degrees. If you are Pan African you are free to do anything as with everybody else. But you shouldnt want to do anything or everything to the degree to what another kind of person chooses.
Since this is about freedom I will go on. As pertaining to scales and degrees America was built on certain kinds of freedom. The devil replaced temptation with the word freedom in many cases.
Freedom to get drunk: Questions allways arise in present of the non spiritual person like "Did you get drunk last night" On the highest scale a drunk person would be having a hangover from vodka.
On a low scale drunk would be feeling the effects bad from 2 bottles of coca cola.

[josteele]

Is is not true that a government tells you your free then gives you an infinite amount of rules you must abide by in order to enjoy this 'freedom'. Why is it that nobody ever contemplates this.

I believe that there are two types of freedom. One of them is the type that anarchists seek. The other is the freedom that one enjoys while an AGREED UPON set of rules are in place. People often tend to say the everybody cant agree on everything. Well that may be all well and true, but any RULE that man makes and others are expected to agree to follow should be backed by a TRUTH. IF it cannot be PROVEN that it is in a people's best interest to follow the rule then it becomes an opinion, and we all know OPINIONS CAN LEAD TO SLAVERY.

The term FREEDOM itself may not lend an accurate definition, but HAPPINESS does. If one is not willing to go through the same necessary steps to seek happiness as everyone else then they are the problem with life not the rule.

[GoodRain]

Ill just say you have the right to contemplate whatever you want to.

P.S. Keep up the good work.

[josteele]

Originally Posted by GoodRain

Ill just say you have the right to contemplate whatever you want to.

P.S. Keep up the good work.

...gotta start somewhere...!

[RASNUBIAN]

"freedom"........ Whats That?..... Is That Some Strange Concept Just Invented. Show Me Where I Can Get Some, Sounds Like Just The Thing I Need It!

P.s.
My Computer Was Down But Now Im Back....see You In The Chat Room!

[G.O.D.F.A.T.H.A.]

Originally Posted by RASNUBIAN

P.s.
My Computer Was Down But Now Im Back....see You In The Chat Room!

See you there as well warrior! Uhuru!

[josteele]

I think freedom would be heaven on earth!