Back your beliefs here!!!

[josteele]

Its never fails to amaze me about the level of discussion you receive when you get into a 'debate' with someone over religion. I even find myself arguing with someone who aint got no fact, yet they somehow still stand their ground. How does religion do that? Or better yet explain what it is about your beliefs that makes you KNOW THEY'RE THE TRUTH. So far from what I see is the only things religions have on their side is the numbers, yet people fail to realize that we are just now entering a time where its 'cool' not to be of any particular religion, people were practically raised in religious beliefs. So besides the number of people you got following any particular religion, what is it about it that compels you to sacrifice your soul in exchange for something you wont find out the truthfulness of until you die?...And even then there's not guarantee you'll find out. 'Enlighten Me'.

[Im The Truth]

Some religions/spiritual systems rely on faith others on science. If you do not believe in either one then it's impossible to truly discuss. Debates come when people base religions/spiritual systems on what others in specific religions/spiritual systems have done.

Two things that are normally debated are the psychologically effects a religion/spiritual system might have on a person/group and the religion's/spiritual system's history.

[josteele]

Dont all large movements or organizations have some sort of psychological effect on people. Is spirituality not just one of these organizations?

[TheQuestioner]

Many religious people feel that what they believe is the truth because they have seen or felt the results of their beliefs.

In other words when you follow the precepts and orders of your god you get something in return.

The better the religion the better the gain.

ok man it's not like that, it's just something you feel. God speaks to you in one way or another and from that time on you realize that this is what you believe.

[Retiredyoung]

The foundation of almost every religion is faith and not actuality. It is not so necessarily cool to not be a part of anything because that is almost unheard of in black history, we were always a part of something. Nation, tribe, religion so on and so forth. All these nations, tribes and religions didn't always share the same beliefs though for the most part very similiar. I find that the more a person can prove something as factual in his/her religion the more the religion is based on science and the more that a person cannot prove in his/her religion the more it is based on faith

[Escobar]

Some religions/spiritual systems rely on faith others on science. If you do not believe in either one then it's impossible to truly discuss. Debates come when people base religions/spiritual systems on what others in specific religions/spiritual systems have done.

Two things that are normally debated are the psychologically effects a religion/spiritual system might have on a person/group and the religion's/spiritual system's history.

religion and science go hand and hand actually...Science supports Religion...

Its only in western capitalism that the 2 have become at odds...

natural man has material and spiritual side...Spiritual being the most dominant... material is means to support the spiritual....

However in western capitalism its the exact opposite...

in short western capitalism contaminates all aspects of soceity, religion, art etc etc....

THERE IS NO CONTRIDICTION BETWEEN SCIENCE AND RELIGION...

[Retiredyoung]

Science can easily write a religion off as falsehood..

[TheQuestioner]

religion and science go hand and hand actually...Science supports Religion...

Its only in western capitalism that the 2 have become at odds...

natural man has material and spiritual side...Spiritual being the most dominant... material is means to support the spiritual....

However in western capitalism its the exact opposite...

in short western capitalism contaminates all aspects of soceity, religion, art etc etc....

THERE IS NO CONTRIDICTION BETWEEN SCIENCE AND RELIGION...

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TheQuestioner]

Science can easily write a religion off as falsehood..

No it can't. There is no proof God exists but there is no proof God does not. Since the lack of evidence cannot be used as evidence then science cannot write off religion as falsehood. If it can then that gives the religious side an arguement and the debate is inconclusive again.

[Escobar]

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its no contridiction....

Its no coincidence that secularism, atheism and capitalism began to take root in europe at the same time!!!

The goals of western capitalism and religion are totally oppossed!!

Natural man using material means to strengthen his spiritual side... in capitalism the mans spiritual side is made subject to his material side...

thus whatever is inconvenient or oppossing capitalist ideology must be removed or weakened...

So science to has been used by the capitalist....

But the natural man there is no contridiction...science strengthened faith...most scientific advancement thru history were achieved by religious peoples...whom fascinated by Gods creation sought out to understand it...

dont believe whatever they tell u

[TheQuestioner]

I think there are too many forums on this site. Not enough replies anywhere.

[Pain]

Its never fails to amaze me about the level of discussion you receive when you get into a 'debate' with someone over religion. I even find myself arguing with someone who aint got no fact, yet they somehow still stand their ground. How does religion do that? Or better yet explain what it is about your beliefs that makes you KNOW THEY'RE THE TRUTH.

Here again is where you extend the psychopathic tendencies into yet another thread. The FACT that you are speaking of is proof as you defined it in the other thread and you defined how you come about facts and what you see as proof of anything in this world. I already told you that the people I was speaking of see things for themselves in real life that serve as reaffirmations. I didn't tell you this as proof. I told you as information because there is no way for me to prove to you over the internet in threads on a forum that there are people who see spirits and communicate with them back and forth. Your answer to that is to simply say that they didn't see what they said they saw, that they are not seeing what they say they are seeing etc., Once again, I ask you can you prove to me over the internet in these threads that your mother is your mother? Can you prove to me over the internet in these threads that you are a human being? According to your definition of what you regard as fact it has to be that which you can see, smell, taste, feel etc., Being a man of common sense I know that you MUST mean IN PERSON. How does someone prove something to you over the internet in a thread that you state before hand can only be proven to you in person? I'm not speaking of anything spiritual so this should be easy for you. If your answer is yes you can prove these things then kindly do so.

So far from what I see is the only things religions have on their side is the numbers, yet people fail to realize that we are just now entering a time where its 'cool' not to be of any particular religion, people were practically raised in religious beliefs. So besides the number of people you got following any particular religion, what is it about it that compels you to sacrifice your soul in exchange for something you wont find out the truthfulness of until you die?...And even then there's not guarantee you'll find out. 'Enlighten Me'.

Why do you continue to create arguments that you know you are not prepared to investigate for yourself? Whenver someone does enlighten you to their understanding you simply dismiss it as wrong or unfounded according to the protocols you go by and therefore false with absolutely no investigation/ research. The above question doesn't even apply to those involved in Afrikan religion. It was never a matter for us of having to wait until we became spirits without bodies to be able to detect spirits without bodies. However, "krakka science" doesn't currently have the means to detect and communicate directly with specific spiritual energies and therefore you will dismiss any information you receive as false. Why do you play these games?

To those who promote the use of krakka science as a means to liberating Afrikan people:

Definition of Science: "The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena."

Now, currently we know that if science can't detect it then it isn't real. Yet you all know that this is flawed thinking to begin with and in actuality KRAKKA THINKING to begin with. In a previous thread where we discussed such things the revelation was made that RIGHT NOW there are REALITIES for instance such as certain frequencies of light that WE cannot detect, but that other animals can. Science tells us that before krakkas had the machines to detect these things they didn't exist. That's how they go about things. What I want to know is since we can see that even with science there are things that exist that our sense of sight, hearing, taste, feeling etc., and even machines cannot detect, why do you all think that there cannot be anything that is real that humans can detect and krakka science cannot?

I call it krakka science by the way because we have no history of the use of any science that didn't include spirituality. Krakkas invented that.

[TheQuestioner]

I personally believe that God sent prophets to EVERYONE regardless of what nation they may be from. Even if they were from a different religion.

My people the Asante had a prophet named Okomfonokye (probably spelled differently)

[josteele]

To those who promote the use of krakka science as a means to liberating Afrikan people:

Definition of Science: "The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena."

Now, currently we know that if science can't detect it then it isn't real. Yet you all know that this is flawed thinking to begin with and in actuality KRAKKA THINKING to begin with. In a previous thread where we discussed such things the revelation was made that RIGHT NOW there are REALITIES for instance such as certain frequencies of light that WE cannot detect, but that other animals can. Science tells us that before krakkas had the machines to detect these things they didn't exist. That's how they go about things. What I want to know is since we can see that even with science there are things that exist that our sense of sight, hearing, taste, feeling etc., and even machines cannot detect, why do you all think that there cannot be anything that is real that humans can detect and krakka science cannot?

I call it krakka science by the way because we have no history of the use of any science that didn't include spirituality. Krakkas invented that.

Dont take this wrong Pain...this thread was geared more toward 'organized religion', not to say that the African Spiritual Systems arent organized, but Im speaking of those religions that seek out to attemtp to 'convert' others. As you have explained in a previous discussion that topic does not pertain to you. However your arguments regarding my request for proof remains the same, so it fits here nicely.

First Im not a scientist by any means. I often disagree with some things science itself tries to prove (mainly in the category of psychology, cuz there are many 'uncontrollable' events that could alter the outcome of the experiment). With that said, I believe life is part SCIENCE and part ART (and more than likely a few other parts). I also believe what people tend to describe as religion leans much closer to the art part of life than science because you cant prove its existence to be either the truth or a lie. Many other things in life show the similar characteristics of things in which the best possible answer is 'it depends on the person'. Just as in many cases there is no way anybody can prove one 'style' of something is better that any other style.

I agree people cant sense or detect things that other creatures on earth are clearly capable of sensing. How do some underwater creatures know the moon cycle and I needed to be educated on it? Perhaps it deals with the effect the moons has on the tides, but who knows. I do understand this, but I also can 'see' that THIS CREATURE MUST HAVE SOME CAPABILITY THAT I DONT. In religions I cannot see this, not to say that it doesnt exist, but FOR ME it shows no signs of existence, yet people believe it and there are only portions of these people who have any 'unique experiences' that they care to mention. My statement to these type of people is WHY DO YOU BELIEVE?

The answer could be contributed to my lack of 'spirituality' or it could be contributed to the same thing that has people believing that Nikes are the best shoes out, 'common sense' (I hope yall understand that). Meaning when things tend to be common people can sense that, and I believe that people adapt to their environment...'When in Rome do as the Romans'...aint that an old sayin.

For the sake of an outsider trying to grasp some sort of concept from someone who 'believes' please back your beliefs here, if you choose to. If not hey, you wont be the first.

[manifestdestiny]

True science is not a matter of gathering useless information, but developing effective strategies or mechanism that users that society in an era of peace and prosperity, rather as an ideology or as technology. Religion, philosophy, or any deontologial belief system is relative to the individual that believe. Truth is a constant, regardless of what direction we are facing, it will still show its self.
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