African Spritual Systems

[Sublimelight]

Power, Peace, and Blessing!

I have a question to all the spiritual brothers and sisters.

Over the last few years i and other Afrikan spiritual centered members have been viewing/watching/observing/monitoring yurugu borrow whole-sale our spiritual/cultural systems for various purposes and attempt to represent some sort of "expert" level knowledge regarding our Afrikan worldviews/systems. They (these so-called "expert" yt's) borrowers and thieves alike control all the discussion boards on Yahoo.com, MySpace.com, Tribe.com, and other major social networkings sites claiming wisdom, knowledge and the inner workings of our Akan, Nago (Yoruba), Fon (Dahomean Voudou), Congo, Khemetic and the New Afrikan practices of Lukumi, Candomble, Obeah, Voodou, Hoodou any other Afrikan society they have read an anthropological un-truth about.

Recently this week 02/14/2007 this yurugu which calls himself "Travis" from Oregon on Tribe.com has attacked me for correcting his caption on an Afrikan Congo power item - N'Kisii, which he labled as a "nail fetish". He is a so-called "moderator" on a new Tribe in Tribe.com called "Voudo Gede Tribe". Because of my comment on yurugu's assault on our cultural images and systems he has banned me and has written several very ignorant statments regarding me on the site Tribe.com and on his blog trying to alert other yt's that "Afrikans are watching them discuss Afrikan spiritual traditions". I was compelled by Kuvito (ancestors) to comment on his caption because yt had it so out of Ma'at. He has deleted all my responses (Ma'at) and claims he can do it (isfet) because he is the "Moderator".

Baba Ifasehun please comment:

Question: What protocol do we as spiritual sisters and brothers (practitioners) use when we see/observe yt abusing our power items and cultural symbols? Do we confront yt and defend our traditions and ancestoral legacies or do we leave yt alone to go backwards to confuse others and continue his assault on our spiritual systems?

All the boards on several social networking sites regarding Afrikan and Afrikan derived spiritual/mental systems are controlled by yt and they are running the full discussion regarding our practices, meaning, work, and connections. If you try to stand up and out to affirm truth regarding Afrikan spiritual traditions they ban you and try to delete your membership, because they do not want a knowledged ashe-filled (initiated) New Afrikan women tell them they are incorrect in regards to Afrikan Inner/Outer Spiritual Systems. I do not regularly interact with yt because they are "spiritual vampires" sucking life force from Afrika and Afrikans but in the moment of reviewing several boards on Tribe.com I was compelled to "speak-up" for ancestors and our traditions.

Awaiting response.

Sister Sublimelight

[Im The Truth]

Clearly I'm not Ifasehun, but since the question was posed in the open rather than in a PM I'll give my opinion on this matter.

I don't understand why we should even "defend" Our Spiritual Systems for or to yts. It is the job/duty of yts to destroy by all means Our Culture. What they call spirituality or religion is clearly not that, so why allow them to use and manipulate Our emotions (energy). They make say they are doing the same as Us or Our Ancestors and they make attempt to use the same language but they don't have the Ase to do any of the such. So in short they ain't talking about or practicing what we are. As I told by a priest the dumber and more backwards yts are about Our Spiritual Systems the better.

[Sublimelight]

Originally Posted by Im The Truth

Clearly I'm not Ifasehun, but since the question was posed in the open rather than in a PM I'll give my opinion on this matter.

I don't understand why we should even "defend" Our Spiritual Systems for or to yts. It is the job/duty of yts to destroy by all means Our Culture. What they call spirituality or religion is clearly not that, so why allow them to use and manipulate Our emotions (energy). They make say they are doing the same as Us or Our Ancestors and they make attempt to use the same language but they don't have the Ase to do any of the such. So in short they ain't talking about or practicing what we are. As I told by a priest the dumber and more backwards yts are about Our Spiritual Systems the better.

HTP,

Forgive me Im The Truth, The question was for everyone. You are correct when you stated "they do not have the Ase".

I just mean in general, we have a whole lot of brothers and sisters stating "leave them alone". I feel, that is the same "thought" that gave them ground on the mother/father land before they hatched their dangerous plot to use us in their social/cultural/economic war on the Hue-man family. We are always leaving "isfet" (incorrectness/abominations/lies/un-truth) alone . They are always using "us" against each other to further their own devious work.

I believe we are not only here to champion and employ Ma'at but we must also do battle with Isfet. We must be on guard on all fronts for our collective advancement/freedom/liberation. Crakers using our systems should be called out, no questions asked. Sometimes is not what you say that makes the difference but what you don't say as well. I really do not care what yt does but really when you see wrong does it not touch your heart/mind/spirit?

I am not in the practice of training or working spiritually with yt especially when I see the mass corruption of Our Spiritual Systems, but what is our obligation to these systems knowing the track record over at least 50 genrations with these Yurugu?

[Mamazen]

Originally Posted by Sublimelight

HTP,

Forgive me Im The Truth, The question was for everyone. You are correct when you stated "they do not have the Ase".

.......I just mean in general, we have a whole lot of brothers and sisters stating "leave them alone". I feel, that is the same "thought" that gave them ground on the mother/father land before they hatched their dangerous plot to use us in their social/cultural/economic war on the Hue-man family. We are always leaving "isfet" (incorrectness/abominations/lies/un-truth) alone . They are always using "us" against each other to further their own devious work.

I believe we are not only here to champion and employ Ma'at but we must also do battle with Isfet. We must be on guard on all fronts for our collective advancement/freedom/liberation. Crakers using our systems should be called out, no questions asked. Sometimes is not what you say that makes the difference but what you don't say as well. I really do not care what yt does but really when you see wrong does it not touch your heart/mind/spirit?

I am not in the practice of training or working spiritually with yt especially when I see the mass corruption of Our Spiritual Systems, but what is our obligation to these systems knowing the track record over at least 50 genrations with these Yurugu?

You seem to also forget that some of our brothers and sisters also included and gave them access to our spiritual systems for financial gain, in the name of inclusion or for some other in-excusable reason.. The treachery of that has just as much of an impact as us doing nothing, if not moreso.

Closing ranks among us and continuing to safeguard our systems against any further infiltration against yurugu is the only way that we can start to reinstate the integrity of our systems.

[Im The Truth]

Any African person with sense, and alot of Our People don't have sense anymore, will know yts will not change and have not change it is in their nature to be absolutely against Us. Whether it be the so-called liberal yts or the so-called revolutionary yts. It's their culture to be against us. Clearly when we allowed them into Africa we did not understand this. The true thought which gave ground to yts and others invaders (not vistors) is the belief, which may need to be challenged, especially with the knowledge with have now, within African culture that a guest/visitor is good (mention couple times in Ifa verses). Africans are not the only one's with this kind of thought, this is common thought for the earth except for the imperialist ie europe and others. In my opinion we have to stay away from yurugus by all means. That means through arguement, friendship, etc.

Originally Posted by Sublimelight

HTP,

Forgive me Im The Truth, The question was for everyone. You are correct when you stated "they do not have the Ase".

I just mean in general, we have a whole lot of brothers and sisters stating "leave them alone". I feel, that is the same "thought" that gave them ground on the mother/father land before they hatched their dangerous plot to use us in their social/cultural/economic war on the Hue-man family. We are always leaving "isfet" (incorrectness/abominations/lies/un-truth) alone . They are always using "us" against each other to further their own devious work.

I believe we are not only here to champion and employ Ma'at but we must also do battle with Isfet. We must be on guard on all fronts for our collective advancement/freedom/liberation. Crakers using our systems should be called out, no questions asked. Sometimes is not what you say that makes the difference but what you don't say as well. I really do not care what yt does but really when you see wrong does it not touch your heart/mind/spirit?

I am not in the practice of training or working spiritually with yt especially when I see the mass corruption of Our Spiritual Systems, but what is our obligation to these systems knowing the track record over at least 50 genrations with these Yurugu?

[MsLoving]

Originally Posted by Im The Truth

Any African person with sense, and alot of Our People don't have sense anymore, will know yts will not change and have not change it is in their nature to be absolutely against Us. Whether it be the so-called liberal yts or the so-called revolutionary yts. It's their culture to be against us. Clearly when we allowed them into Africa we did not understand this. The true thought which gave ground to yts and others invaders (not vistors) is the belief, which may need to be challenged, especially with the knowledge with have now, within African culture that a guest/visitor is good (mention couple times in Ifa verses). Africans are not the only one's with this kind of thought, this is common thought for the earth except for the imperialist ie europe and others. In my opinion we have to stay away from yurugus by all means. That means through arguement, friendship, etc.

I agree....

yts will not change and have not change it is in their nature to be absolutely against Us. Whether it be the so-called liberal yts or the so-called revolutionary yts.

You are absolutely positively correct with the above statement ... when will our people wake up .. i know so many will remain sleep ..but only the strong survives and the weak only get weaker...


peace

[Pain]

I found one website about Vodu in Haiti. If that's really how Haitians doing it then booooooy. On top of it, it was all being led by a white woman. Her site is here: http://members.aol.com/racine125/index1.html

I read the articles on homosexuality and racism. lmaoo Some of'em ova there actually worshiping white folk as lwa/ "deities". Aside from that, it would seem that there are some Haitians that do not tell anything at all to white folk, yet there is a "problem" of them misinforming white folk. I got no prob with misinforming white folk but another problem arises when these white folk come back to America and other places and we got black folk who had their culture stolen away from them trying to get it back. Sometimes they will come into the misinformation from these white folk and that can have varying effects. No problem at all if they have a desire to get to the root of things though.



http://www.rootswithoutend.org/cerem...er2005_01.html

[Sublimelight]

Originally Posted by Pain

I found one website about Vodu in Haiti. If that's really how Haitians doing it then booooooy. On top of it, it was all being led by a white woman. Her site is here: http://members.aol.com/racine125/index1.html

I read the articles on homosexuality and racism. lmaoo Some of'em ova there actually worshiping white folk as lwa/ "deities". Aside from that, it would seem that there are some Haitians that do not tell anything at all to white folk, yet there is a "problem" of them misinforming white folk. I got no prob with misinforming white folk but another problem arises when these white folk come back to America and other places and we got black folk who had their culture stolen away from them trying to get it back. Sometimes they will come into the misinformation from these white folk and that can have varying effects. No problem at all if they have a desire to get to the root of things though.



http://www.rootswithoutend.org/cerem...er2005_01.html

Asante Pain, and everyone

See that's what I am talking about! Since when do we become accepting of this as a people. We must protect our most sacred traditions from the encroachment of those who seek to destroy us. Afrikan Spiritual Systems is part and parcel of our whole-ness as a people and is central to our internal repair-rations. We must go forward and reclaim the full heritage of our Afrikan selves and call out the abuse of our traditions by yt seeking fame, fortune, and any other thing that they can use to assault us and corrupt us.

[SoularFlarez]

peace/alaafia

Eye usualy notice em like....

how do I say....

like if sumone from your FAMILY prepares a wonderful HEALTHY meal... herbs n spices..all that...

they (yurugu)..EATS the food... ''digests'' it thru THEIR (mis)understanding... and THROW IT UP...and try to serve it back to us... tryen to pass it off like its the same healthy tasty food OUR family prepared for US....when its just nasty throw up that STINKS of them

[akuabarca]

gahhhd dayyyyum...

do you have to have that she-beast picture on the thread all back to back like that?

my eyessss!!

(heads up to the administrator: right now would be a very opportune time to use the edit feature)

[SoularFlarez]

Originally Posted by akuabarca

gahhhd dayyyyum...

do you have to have that she-beast picture on the thread all back to back like that?

my eyessss!!

(heads up to the administrator: right now would be a very opportune time to use the edit feature)

(s on monitor)

[Ndongo]

Originally Posted by Pain

I found one website about Vodu in Haiti. If that's really how Haitians doing it then booooooy. On top of it, it was all being led by a white woman. Her site is here: http://members.aol.com/racine125/index1.html

I read the articles on homosexuality and racism. lmaoo Some of'em ova there actually worshiping white folk as lwa/ "deities". Aside from that, it would seem that there are some Haitians that do not tell anything at all to white folk, yet there is a "problem" of them misinforming white folk. I got no prob with misinforming white folk but another problem arises when these white folk come back to America and other places and we got black folk who had their culture stolen away from them trying to get it back. Sometimes they will come into the misinformation from these white folk and that can have varying effects. No problem at all if they have a desire to get to the root of things though.



http://www.rootswithoutend.org/cerem...er2005_01.html

Kiambote, In The Vodou it is the Lwa who is the supreme decision maker on who gets to make Kanzo in Haiti. For a Houngan or a Mambo to go against the wishes of the Lwa in this decision will end with the result of punishment. In my Palo Mayombe religion it is the same as well, when an individual is presented to the main Nganga it is the Tata who confirms with the Nkobos if (1) Palo is in this individuals path and (2) if that particular lineage and rama is for the individual. These potent Afrikan Traditional Religions is not for everyone including certain black and latin folks. Just because your called to Ifa doesn't mean Palo is in your path, just because your white and you can do witchcraft or wicca tricks doesn't mean The Vodou is in your path, It is the decision of the spirits of that spiritual house who has the last word on who gets inititated. Keep in mind, once your initiated you have access to a lof of secrets within that religion. Just because that individual is white does not mean that she has no power, she has the rank of a Mambo in The Vodou. Malembe

Ndongo

[Pain]

Originally Posted by Ndongo

Kiambote, In The Vodou it is the Lwa who is the supreme decision maker on who gets to make Kanzo in Haiti. For a Houngan or a Mambo to go against the wishes of the Lwa in this decision will end with the result of punishment. In my Palo Mayombe religion it is the same as well, when an individual is presented to the main Nganga it is the Tata who confirms with the Nkobos if (1) Palo is in this individuals path and (2) if that particular lineage and rama is for the individual. These potent Afrikan Traditional Religions is not for everyone including certain black and latin folks. Just because your called to Ifa doesn't mean Palo is in your path, just because your white and you can do witchcraft or wicca tricks doesn't mean The Vodou is in your path, It is the decision of the spirits of that spiritual house who has the last word on who gets inititated. Keep in mind, once your initiated you have access to a lof of secrets within that religion. Just because that individual is white does not mean that she has no power, she has the rank of a Mambo in The Vodou. Malembe

Ndongo

I have not the faintest idea in the world of what you're talking about. In Traditional African spiritual systems that which is primary to the Vodou, Mkisi, Arusi, Neteru, Nommo, Orisa, Abosom etc., is divine order. There is a set way to do things and in my tradition the Abosom hate disorder, hate disordered spirits and will have nothing to do with them. Too many damn sell-outs in the tradition trying to be some happy get along gang with no rules whatsoever. Ask the Abosom how they relate to white folk. Ask the Abosom how they relate to homosexuals. Ask the Abosom how they relate to child molestors and rapists. Negroes let these damn krakkas in and they start talking about Esu is the devil and Yemaya is a lesbian and after a while what you have is just a damn mess!!

Negroes defending krakkas in the tradition will preach about the importance of "good character" while trying to force us to accept white people with the reasoning that we're being racist and hypocritical since we have white ancestors. They know damn well that the only people who are ancestors and ancestresses are those who make it into the ancestral realm and that is dependent upon the "good character" of the soul in question. Yet they tell us that we got white ancestors referencing krakkas who raped our matriarchs as if rape apparently only disqualifies black folk from the classification of "good character" and therefore from the ancestral realm. So white folk can rape us and still be "good" and make it into the ancestral realm. All so that they can psychologically and spiritually force us to accept evil ass white folk into our lives in order to bring further disorder, maybe put some more money in their pockets and make themselves feel good. These negroes need to be wiped da hell out.

[Kweku_Omowale]

well,even roots and rooted.org.has krakkkozoids in it,you know, awo study center, is also run bY crackkka aka yurugu man,blame it on some of the elder in nigeria,who sells our culture for retail price, and the priests and priestesses in haiti,who trains all new age people who goes there fora visit, visa vis,even

ORISHAWORLD.COM has some whites in it,most of dem as well,i had joined one time,this orisa group at my space and they were defending the crackkkas in the traditions,they banned me and our beloved sistah kentake from joining their group again lol, sucha fake azz group,when i told dem,i know about palo mayombe,santeria.mbouti,from gabom, santeria,kamdomble,all EBONITE MYSTERY SYSTEM ORDERS,they started deleting my comments,indded as immortal techs says" we have to uproot the evil that grows among our peoples" be it the yurugus in the traditions and the ones that teeach dem our afrikan esoteric knowledge

[Pain]

Originally Posted by Kweku_Omowale

well,even roots and rooted.org.has krakkkozoids in it,you know, awo study center, is also run bY crackkka aka yurugu man,blame it on some of the elder in nigeria,who sells our culture for retail price, and the priests and priestesses in haiti,who trains all new age people who goes there fora visit, visa vis,even

ORISHAWORLD.COM has some whites in it,most of dem as well,i had joined one time,this orisa group at my space and they were defending the crackkkas in the traditions,they banned me and our beloved sistah kentake from joining their group again lol, sucha fake azz group,when i told dem,i know about palo mayombe,santeria.mbouti,from gabom, santeria,kamdomble,all EBONITE MYSTERY SYSTEM ORDERS,they started deleting my comments,indded as immortal techs says" we have to uproot the evil that grows among our peoples" be it the yurugus in the traditions and the ones that teeach dem our afrikan esoteric knowledge

Kweku I swear there's like NO African Traditional Spiritual System group on myspace that's reppin' it right. I most likely know the group you talking bout. I read through the threads first and then I don't even bother. Homos and Krakkas on there talkin' a whole lotta mess. I especially hate the race related debates cuz it's such a waste of time arguing that mess with white folk. For the krakkas trying to be in the tradition their answer is that we should "forget the past." On another group I heard a true initiated Ifa Priestess talking about how she was either doing divination or performing some other ritual when a wild spirit came out of nowhere. She was one of our peoples. She had been taken out to the woods, tied up and tortured for days by a krakka and she died that way during slavery. She had been stuck unable to cross over into the ancestral realm for hundreds of years now. The priestess had to spend the rest of the evening doing the necessary rituals to give her the assistance she needed. Krakkas got nothing for that. They was all mum!! Cuz they don't give a damn about nothing like dat! They not dealing with any of our ancestors and ancestresses and they damn sure ayne dealing with no deities. This priestess was asking them what do you all do when situations like that happens since ya'll acting like "oh that's the past and we need to move on" and so on!!! No answer!! These krakkas ayne dealing with nothing but the disordered spirits of their own damn people. That's it! There's mad work to do when it comes to healing our people HERE AND THERE. Death ayne no escape.

Now imagine how many of our peoples went out in a similar fashion. Imagine how many need TRUE AFRICAN PRIESTS/ PRIESTESSES to set this mess straight. It's a damn shame how these negroes continue to sell out our people.