What Does Getting Free Mean?

[Jalili]

Originally Posted by Nefertiti

Normally I would just let this go and shake my head at my computer but...I want some of that freedom you got and not worry, me and so many other black people...can I have some Jaboom huh Im tryna get whatchu saying

This has nothing to do with yt folks or living an Amerikkan life. what I was saying was being free the way the creator intended. Not follow some one elses laws not paying to live just being FREE. No worries of the enemy just life with no one elses interference. Think of what when you think of being free. Not having any one in your business trying to leech off of your hardship.

I don't have it because I still fight and work for what little I get in this hellish land I was just answering the question the best way I could you may just be looking at a view with eyes of worry and not the eyes of hope that your work won't stand for anything and that what we fight for will just end in defeat.If we put in work and take what we need to build what we want and keep all intruders from entering then and only then will any of us understand what Freedom means.

[keithblakkg]

Originally Posted by Nefertiti

More money and having alot of material possession's doesn't make you a free person Unfortunately we have a long ways to goWe need to liberate our minds save the extincting Black family Structure, get up off the White Government titties

I agree with this so much, it is almost as if I'd written this myself.

[JOSIE]

Originally Posted by JABOOM

Free means not having to worry about others breathing down your neck waiting for their chance to cut it.

Just living without worries and actually living as sister JOSIE put it "as the creator made us" or meant for us to be right now working for others for little to no gain isn't living but slaveing

PPL, the thing we need to realize is that life is filled with negative and positive energy. THere will always be a battle between the two in order for life to continue and for there to be balance. SO no matter what situation we conquer there will be a finger to point, there will be a problem to solve. WE are free to do what it takes to survive whatever obsticle that is in our way. WE lack the strenght and motivation to actively persue change. We know whats in our way and the only way to get around it is to brainstorm...look for loopholes...don't be a prisioner in ur own world...we actually have a choice you know...Our preceedors had that aggression we have lost. No one is going to GIVE u what u want u have to either earn it...or take it. Simple.

[Raha]

Originally Posted by RBG Street Scholar

To me getting free "in a concrete worldly way" means us being able to Defend, Define and Develop in our own New Afrikan image and interest.

I think it all starts with deep cut self-apprasial and a never ending persuit of self-mastery. Real freedom must be realized in four domains simutanously by each individual in the Afrikan group and for the sole purpose of advancing the Self>Family>Community> New Afrikan Nation and Afrikan Race--in that order.
The four domains are:
1) Historo-cultural
2) Socio-political
3)Psycho-educational and
4) Moro-spiritual
Now certainly there is no politics without economics and thus dead presidents collectively pooled for the purpose of independent institutional development is foremost.

FINALLY, AS I BELIEVE PROPER KNOWLEDGE IS THE KEY TO ABOVE SAID FREEDOM,this is how I have explained freedom via education on RBG Street Scholars Think Tank's You Tube Network:

"THE MAIN GOAL OF THIS SCHOOL IS NOT MASTERY OVER OPPRESSION. SUCH A GOAL, EVEN IF ACCOMPLISHED TO ITS FULLEST EXTENT, WOULD ONLY LAND AFRIKAN PEOPLE IN A VACUUM. RATHER, THE PREEMINENT GOAL OF THE RBG STREET SCHOLARS THINK TANK'S CORE CURRICULUM IS SELF-MASTERY BY WAY OF AFRIKAN-CENTERED CULTURAL TRANSFORMATION FOR THE PURPOSE OF SECURING BLACK POWER. NONETHELESS, THIS GOAL MANDATES THE ACTIVE NEUTRALIZATION OF ALL OPPRESSIVE YOKES WITHIN AND WITHOUT THE AFRIKAN SELF AND COLLECTIVE. GIVEN THAT WE ALL ARE DECENDENTS OF A PEOPLE THAT WERE TAKEN THROUGH THE EUROPEAN'S EVIL GENIUS THREE STEP PROCESS OF DERACINATION, I.E. DEAFRIKANIZATION, DEHUMANIZATION AND INFERIORTIZATION, THE INDIVIDUAL SEARCH FOR SECURITY UNDER OUR PRESENT CONDITION AND THE QUEST FOR PERSONAL HARMONY AND PRIVATE SUCCESS AT THE COST OF BETRAYING OUR COLLECTIVE ASPIRATIONS FOR SELF-DETERMINATION REQUIRES LITTLE COURAGE, VISION OR RISK. SUCH EFFORTS ACCEPT THE SOCIAL ORDER (DISORDER) AS IMMUTABLE. BUT, IN ORDER FOR AFRIKAN PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO DEFEND, DEFINE AND DEVELOP IN OUR OWN IMAGE AND INTEREST; A NEW COURAGE, NEW VISION, NEW CONSCIOUSNESS, COMMITMENT AND CONDUCT IS REQUIRED. THE DEHUMANIZING ENEMY WITHOUT MUST BE NEUTRALIZED—AT LEAST PSYCHO-CULTURALLY AND SOCIO-MATERIALLY,JUST AS THE ENEMY WITHIN MUST BE EJECTED. NEITHER CAN OCCUR WITHOUT SERIOUS STUDY AND WORK THROUGH OUR OWN AFRIKAN EYES AND ORGANIZED TECHNOLOGICALLY SOPHISTICATED INDEPENDENT INSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT. BOTH ENTAIL RISKING A SOCIAL, POLITICAL, ECONOMIC, EDUCATIONAL AND SPIRITUAL CRISIS; AND EVEN PHYSICAL DEATH. FOR THEM AND ONLY THEN CAN A NEW AFRIKAN WORLD UNION BE ESTABLISHED?"

Excellent post, Brother. To piggyback off of your economics statement:

"The most important lesson the black world could learn from its history is that there was an economic development base for each and every advance." - From The Book The Destruction of Black Civilization by Chancellor Williams

[Im The Truth]

I glad economics was bring up in this mix!

[MsLioness]

Freedom, to me, is not being oppressed.
That is, on all levels: cultural, economical, political, spiritual...*wink@rbgthinktank*

thats where the struggle is at.

[AfroNinpo]

See...this is where me and a lot of Pan Afrikanists disagree. To most of those I've discussed this with in the past, they have spoken of freedom in a physical way. I'm not free cause I pay taxes, I gotta go to work, I got to go to school to get a good job, I got to deal with this white opressor, I got to do this, I got to do that. To me, that doesn't really have anything to do with it. Freedom is what we were born with. Nobody can take it away from you in reality...ONLY mentally. We shackle ourselves by repeating...we ain't free...we ain't free. This usually comes from a pan Africanist who claims to have 'freed' their mind. All I'm saying is, as long as we keep telling ourselves that we're not free, we'll never be. Think about if one day, Afrikans woke up and asked "Why am I doing this bull? I don't have to do this! I can take this money and put it here. I can quit this job and go do something productive." Can you imagine the change? The problem is that most of us are SCARED to be free. We wouldn't know what to do if we had to take our own initiative. But I've digressed. As long as we're not able to see our own freedom, we will never be free. Even if I see my own freedom, I cannot truly be free until we are all free. When our enslaved ancestors woke up and realized that they didn't have to take the shit they were going through, and they could come together and kick YT's ass...were they not free? When the brothers on the ships decided to revolt and take over the slave ships and sail back home...were they not free? The Mau Mau were not free? The Ethiopians were not free when the Italians wanted their territory and they resisted? Freedom is nothing but a state of mind...but it can never be actualized until it becomes a collective state of mind, and therefore reality.

[MsLioness]

Originally Posted by AfroNinpo

See...this is where me and a lot of Pan Afrikanists disagree. To most of those I've discussed this with in the past, they have spoken of freedom in a physical way. I'm not free cause I pay taxes, I gotta go to work, I got to go to school to get a good job, I got to deal with this white opressor, I got to do this, I got to do that. To me, that doesn't really have anything to do with it. Freedom is what we were born with. Nobody can take it away from you in reality...ONLY mentally. We shackle ourselves by repeating...we ain't free...we ain't free. This usually comes from a pan Africanist who claims to have 'freed' their mind. All I'm saying is, as long as we keep telling ourselves that we're not free, we'll never be. Think about if one day, Afrikans woke up and asked "Why am I doing this bull? I don't have to do this! I can take this money and put it here. I can quit this job and go do something productive." Can you imagine the change? The problem is that most of us are SCARED to be free. We wouldn't know what to do if we had to take our own initiative. But I've digressed. As long as we're not able to see our own freedom, we will never be free. Even if I see my own freedom, I cannot truly be free until we are all free. When our enslaved ancestors woke up and realized that they didn't have to take the shit they were going through, and they could come together and kick YT's ass...were they not free? When the brothers on the ships decided to revolt and take over the slave ships and sail back home...were they not free? The Mau Mau were not free? The Ethiopians were not free when the Italians wanted their territory and they resisted? Freedom is nothing but a state of mind...but it can never be actualized until it becomes a collective state of mind, and therefore reality.

So, is that to say that a single one is not free, but only the whole one is?
That if I told myself that I was free, I am not free until everyone else in my nation is telling themselves the same thing?
Is it like...what is mainstream? What is the central thought or focus?

You are right, AfroNinpo. It is a real mental struggle. It has more to do with the institutionalized mis-education that we have got, and have want so badly. Clearly the physical...that is economics and chains alike, is the most temporary of all oppression. This is evident because we have rich and poor people, and none of them are free, and shackle slavery was no longer needed after a while. Perhaps it is because our ancestors knew that chains were to bind them, and they revolted like hell at them. So, the chains disappeared, and we had no "education"...but we were spiritual people. The oppressors got into our minds and our souls with their oppression. That was the trickery.

SO, we have been oppressed on all of those levels that rbgthinktank stated.
Its a struggle all around.

And my question to you is:
If we decided to tell ourselves that we are free, and we did not cooperate with laws against us, and miseducation education with the schools, and entertain all of the misentertainment...what would be the outcome?

All of these are physical moves off of the notion of freedom. Would there come to our aid Africa that Herself is not one nation (yet)? Would the Muslims come rescue our Muslims from jail and aid us? Would the Christian pope and all his glory tell his god to save us?

My thing is, if we are not doing this...what are we doing? It is a scary thing, yeah, people are afraid of it. They want to know what would happen...
could you tell us, the colonized people with colonized land?

[AfroNinpo]

Originally Posted by MsLioness

So, is that to say that a single one is not free, but only the whole one is?
That if I told myself that I was free, I am not free until everyone else in my nation is telling themselves the same thing?
Is it like...what is mainstream? What is the central thought or focus?

You are right, AfroNinpo. It is a real mental struggle. It has more to do with the institutionalized mis-education that we have got, and have want so badly. Clearly the physical...that is economics and chains alike, is the most temporary of all oppression. This is evident because we have rich and poor people, and none of them are free, and shackle slavery was no longer needed after a while. Perhaps it is because our ancestors knew that chains were to bind them, and they revolted like hell at them. So, the chains disappeared, and we had no "education"...but we were spiritual people. The oppressors got into our minds and our souls with their oppression. That was the trickery.

SO, we have been oppressed on all of those levels that rbgthinktank stated.
Its a struggle all around.

And my question to you is:
If we decided to tell ourselves that we are free, and we did not cooperate with laws against us, and miseducation education with the schools, and entertain all of the misentertainment...what would be the outcome?

All of these are physical moves off of the notion of freedom. Would there come to our aid Africa that Herself is not one nation (yet)? Would the Muslims come rescue our Muslims from jail and aid us? Would the Christian pope and all his glory tell his god to save us?

My thing is, if we are not doing this...what are we doing? It is a scary thing, yeah, people are afraid of it. They want to know what would happen...
could you tell us, the colonized people with colonized land?

Understand that I'm (wrongly so) speaking in idealistic terms...but if we could collectively free our minds, these structures that bind us would no longer matter. We'd begin to govern ourselves. We'd create our own economic base and build our own schools. Those of us who have would help those of us who don't. The AU has already stated (according to the Pan-African Conference 2006) that they are waiting on Africans in the US to wake up, which would encourage Africa to move toward a 1 government country. They are leaving a seat on the future African parliament for us. Political and monetary ties to Africa would also help us once we have freed ourselves. There's no one answer, but the first step is realizing your mind is what has been enslaved.

[rebelAfrika]

To me, FREEDOM is INDEPENDENCE. Political, Economic, Spiritual, independence etc. NOT DEPENDENT on other people (especially WHITE people) to survive. This is why when I first heard it, I TOTALLY understood why the All-African People's Revolutionary Party stress that AFRICA must be "FREE" so that African people everywhere in the world can be "FREE." I can be Oprah rich...but I'm not "FREE" until the CONTINENT OF AFRICA is "FREE." You can even "FREE THE LAND" (five states in the black belt South)...but I'm not "FREE" until the CONTINENT OF AFRICA is "FREE."

[JOSIE]

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WOW...NEVER GOT ONE OF THESE B4...WHY NOT JUST POST UR OPINION IN THE THREAD AND TEACH ME SOMETHING WHOEVER U R...

[rebelAfrika]

Originally Posted by JOSIE

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WOW...NEVER GOT ONE OF THESE B4...WHY NOT JUST POST UR OPINION IN THE THREAD AND TEACH ME SOMETHING WHOEVER U R...

Looks like somebody is jealous of you .

[JOSIE]

Originally Posted by AfroNinpo

See...this is where me and a lot of Pan Afrikanists disagree. To most of those I've discussed this with in the past, they have spoken of freedom in a physical way. I'm not free cause I pay taxes, I gotta go to work, I got to go to school to get a good job, I got to deal with this white opressor, I got to do this, I got to do that. To me, that doesn't really have anything to do with it. Freedom is what we were born with. Nobody can take it away from you in reality...ONLY mentally. We shackle ourselves by repeating...we ain't free...we ain't free. This usually comes from a pan Africanist who claims to have 'freed' their mind. All I'm saying is, as long as we keep telling ourselves that we're not free, we'll never be. Think about if one day, Afrikans woke up and asked "Why am I doing this bull? I don't have to do this! I can take this money and put it here. I can quit this job and go do something productive." Can you imagine the change? The problem is that most of us are SCARED to be free. We wouldn't know what to do if we had to take our own initiative. But I've digressed. As long as we're not able to see our own freedom, we will never be free. Even if I see my own freedom, I cannot truly be free until we are all free. When our enslaved ancestors woke up and realized that they didn't have to take the shit they were going through, and they could come together and kick YT's ass...were they not free? When the brothers on the ships decided to revolt and take over the slave ships and sail back home...were they not free? The Mau Mau were not free? The Ethiopians were not free when the Italians wanted their territory and they resisted? Freedom is nothing but a state of mind...but it can never be actualized until it becomes a collective state of mind, and therefore reality.

THANK U MY POINT EXACTLY
I WAS STARTING TO FEEL LOST AND ALONE ON THIS SUBJECT...

[JOSIE]

Originally Posted by rebelAfrika

Looks like somebody is jealous of you .

MY FEELINGS ARE HURT...
BUT THEN AGAIN THATS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANTED RIGHT...THEY WEREN'T TRYING TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHATEVER IT IS ONLY THEY KNOW WHAT THEY THINKIN...