What Does Getting Free Mean?

[GoodRain]

We all want to be free. It just sounds like a good word.

[Nefertiti]

More money and having alot of material possession's doesn't make you a free person Unfortunately we have a long ways to goWe need to liberate our minds save the extincting Black family Structure, get up off the White Government titties

[JOSIE]

We are free. We are as free as our creator made us. We are only limited by our human abilities and we suffer what ever consequence we bring upon ourselves.


Think back to our leaders' struggles. We were free then. Yeah we were slaves. Yeah we weren't technically free to walk off the plantation without being shot to death, but was it worth going against the grain? YES!!! We must continue to exhert our human abilites to make change. Use our powers for good rather than evil.


Peace

[Nefertiti]

Originally Posted by JOSIE

We are free. We are as free as our creator made us. We are only limited by our human abilities and we suffer what ever consequence we bring upon ourselves.


Think back to our leaders' struggles. We were free then. Yeah we were slaves. Yeah we weren't technically free to walk off the plantation without being shot to death, but was it worth going against the grain? YES!!! We must continue to exhert our human abilites to make change. Use our powers for good rather than evil.


Peace

I would really like to hear more about this "Freedom" we got...You wanna break it down sista gurl maybe Im missing something Because I don't feel we are, We have to look around us perhaps walk down the streets in your neighborhood, turn on the TV, as Black folk I believe were all in this together there's no seperatism Yeah to some degree were free I can go get in my car and drive off or go to the store and purchase an item or or sit on my porch or quit my job if I wanted to, And come to think of it Even in doing all those simple activities there's a fee from Whitey Government... Paying taxes car insurance on the car taxes on the items purchased and if you own your house taxes on the property( I don't think you own it if your paying taxes)...But do you get my drift, I would really like for you to break it down for me ...Whats the whole purpose of this forum, Pan-Afrikans getting together on discussions concerning us and how to become free from the Mental Slavery we are enduring, And in some case's physical... The Queen this forum was named after And many others

[JOSIE]

Originally Posted by Nefertiti

I would really like to hear more about this "Freedom" we got...You wanna break it down sista gurl maybe Im missing something Because I don't feel we are, We have to look around us perhaps walk down the streets in your neighborhood, turn on the TV, as Black folk I believe were all in this together there's no seperatism Yeah to some degree were free I can go get in my car and drive off or go to the store and purchase an item or or sit on my porch or quit my job if I wanted to, And come to think of it Even in doing all those simple activities there's a fee from Whitey Government... Paying taxes car insurance on the car taxes on the items purchased and if you own your house taxes on the property( I don't think you own it if your paying taxes)...But do you get my drift, I would really like for you to break it down for me ...Whats the whole purpose of this forum, Pan-Afrikans getting together on discussions concerning us and how to become free from the Mental Slavery we are enduring, And in some case's physical... The Queen this forum was named after And many others

LET ME STRESS IT AGAIN: WE ARE AS FREE AS OUR CREATORS MADE US.

I've used this example b 4 and I'll use it again: I am free to go and smack my boss in the face. Sure, its against the rules, but it is worth it? Probably not. I need my job.

I am free to run across the street without looking. Sure, I might get hit by a car or a bus. Is it worth it? No I might die or loose a limb or one of my senses.

I'm a slave. I can't eat piss or shit with out permission otherwise I get a beating from my master. Today I'm going to rally up the other slaves and we are going to attack this motherfucker and head for the woods. Is it worth it? HELL YEAH! Sure, his other white friends might hear some niggers getting out of hand and come over and shoot us all. But some of us are going to get away...

When blacks couldn't sit in the front of the bus and Rosa did it anyway. We technically weren't "free" to do so but she did it anyway...Was it worth it? HELL FUCKING YEAH

OVASTAND?

[Nefertiti]

Ovastand?...she asked hmmm I guess... Im sticking to what I feel about this "Freedom" thing (But in all getting what your saying,it aint hard to figure out), If we got to answer to some kkkrackkka ass white person we just aint!!! even if we don't have to answer,In some forms we are'nt free, I never mentioned the worth of trying to get there, its all worth it whatever however...Ok...Alright

[Jalili]

Free means not having to worry about others breathing down your neck waiting for their chance to cut it.

Just living without worries and actually living as sister JOSIE put it "as the creator made us" or meant for us to be right now working for others for little to no gain isn't living but slaveing

[Nefertiti]

Normally I would just let this go and shake my head at my computer but...I want some of that freedom you got and not worry, me and so many other black people...can I have some Jaboom huh Im tryna get whatchu saying

[Revolutionary_Student]

To me, freedom means toppling or getting away from any oppressive, fascist/imperialistic/capitalist government. My whole perception of what it means to be free is:

not paying taxes, not having to pay someone for land that ain't theirs. Even if you have paid your mortgage in full you still have to pay taxes. And this may not come as a shock to some of you but your house is never really your house. If the government wants to take your house they can do it lawfully! It's called eminent domain.

Another thing to analyze when thinking about your freedom: To me, working 5 days a week for 8 hours a day is too much. With 24 hours in a day and only 7 days in a week... lets do the math:

You wake up 2.5 hours before work starts. You hop in the shower, get dressed, get ur kids dressed. You load the kids into the car that you pay insurance on (money you'll never see again if you never get into an accident in any given period of time) and take the kids to school/day care. That's already 2 hours of your life gone. It takes you approximately 10-20 mins to get to work. You work 8 hours, leave work mentally and sometimes physically drained (depending on what line of work, you're in). You drive 30mins to get your children in rush hour traffic and back home. Once in the house, it's probably 6pm or a little after 6. It takes you a few minutes to prepare dinner. You have fed the children, bathed them, and put them to bed. It's now 7:30pm and you have about 1 or 2 hours to yourself before you have to go to bed so you can wake up and do it all again. That's not free.

Everything we do in our daily "amerikkkan" lives is directly benefitting the upper class elite. Middle class is exactly that; you are in the middle, which means the middle class is carrying the poor class and upper class on our backs. Think about it... if you make $30k a year you are considered middle class. With 3 children, a car payment, car insurance, $800 rent, and other miscellaneous expenses, you're still struggling. If you apply for assistance, they tell you "you make too much money". Meanwhile the poor class is getting assistance and subsidy left and right off of middle class tax dollars, yet a middle class family can't qualify for assistance.

The upper class is dependant upon the middle class to be their employees. Most of us are some upper class capitalist's "boy" or slave. Ain't no way anybody can tell me I'm free here in this country! And don't even get me talking about the amerikkkan injustice system....

[Raha]

I am trying to figure out why we keep equating someone being rich as a bad thing. I do not know about anyone else, but I know for myself money is going to help me do the things that I want to do for my family and for my community. I want to build WEALTH, so that I have something to pass on to my future kids/nieces/nephews/cousins/etc. I want to have enough money to retire my mom so that she can do what she wants to do and she'll know that if she ever needed anything that I'd be able to give that to her. I want to build community centers for Black Youth throughout the area, and so on and so forth.

I know that these goals take a considerable amount of money.

What people need to realize is that all of this is a game. The shit is chess, it ain't checkers, and we got to start realizing this soon before we get checkmated. There are reasons why the rich stay rich: yes, a good portion of it is because of white supremacy, but it is also because they did the homework about finances, and how to plan for their future. You got to learn how the game is played if you expect to beat it.

I think that true freedom comes from knowing that you did your part in insuring that your family and your community are a bit more well off than when they came into the world. Of course we aren't going to gain freedom overnight, but what our people should be looking for is the future; however you want to contribute to the cause, do it and don't question your actions.

P.E.A.C.E.

[Revolutionary_Student]

Originally Posted by Raha

I am trying to figure out why we keep equating someone being rich as a bad thing. I do not know about anyone else, but I know for myself money is going to help me do the things that I want to do for my family and for my community. I want to build WEALTH, so that I have something to pass on to my future kids/nieces/nephews/cousins/etc. I want to have enough money to retire my mom so that she can do what she wants to do and she'll know that if she ever needed anything that I'd be able to give that to her. I want to build community centers for Black Youth throughout the area, and so on and so forth.

I know that these goals take a considerable amount of money.

What people need to realize is that all of this is a game. The shit is chess, it ain't checkers, and we got to start realizing this soon before we get checkmated. There are reasons why the rich stay rich: yes, a good portion of it is because of white supremacy, but it is also because they did the homework about finances, and how to plan for their future. You got to learn how the game is played if you expect to beat it.

I think that true freedom comes from knowing that you did your part in insuring that your family and your community are a bit more well off than when they came into the world. Of course we aren't going to gain freedom overnight, but what our people should be looking for is the future; however you want to contribute to the cause, do it and don't question your actions.

P.E.A.C.E.

I'm still trying to find where someone said getting rich was a bad thing. We'd all like to be rich, without a doubt. If I were rich I'd use my wealth to help the Afrikan community as much as I could. However, being rich doesn't neccessarily mean you are free. One can be rich and still have an enslaved mind or even worse, become a slave to his money. But know this, in amerikkka, it is not possible for everyone to become rich. This system depends on poor and middle class. Without poor and middle class, it would not be a democracy... it would not be amerikkka.

[Raha]

Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Student

I'm still trying to find where someone said getting rich was a bad thing. We'd all like to be rich, without a doubt. If I were rich I'd use my wealth to help the Afrikan community as much as I could. However, being rich doesn't neccessarily mean you are free. One can be rich and still have an enslaved mind or even worse, become a slave to his money. But know this, in amerikkka, it is not possible for everyone to become rich. This system depends on poor and middle class. Without poor and middle class, it would not be a democracy... it would not be amerikkka.

Of course being rich doesn't make you FREE, but it does give you certain FREEDOMS to do what you want to do that you aren't able to do otherwise. Like I said before, people should be thinking about making their people a little bit more free than when they come into the world. Complete freedom is not going to happen overnight.

Also, I disagree with the notion that everyone can't become rich; the problem is not necessarily that people don't want to become rich, but moreso that not enough people know HOW to do so (beyond playing loterry tickets).

[Nefertiti]

As they say if we were standing in front one another "we here" (pointing to my eyes with my 2 fingers) Thats one of the points I was trying to make when I mentioned about paying taxes and that only came about as an example of what I was trying to explain being bound to white government No matter how free you feel or how this creator has made us...And who's the creator Jesus,My Mama who, and what does getting rich got to do with it(Being free) you still gotta pay that aint finna buy freedom...But I guess everybody see it differently

[RBG Street Scholar]

To me getting free "in a concrete worldly way" means us being able to Defend, Define and Develop in our own New Afrikan image and interest.

I think it all starts with deep cut self-apprasial and a never ending persuit of self-mastery. Real freedom must be realized in four domains simutanously by each individual in the Afrikan group and for the sole purpose of advancing the Self>Family>Community> New Afrikan Nation and Afrikan Race--in that order.
The four domains are:
1) Historo-cultural
2) Socio-political
3)Psycho-educational and
4) Moro-spiritual
Now certainly there is no politics without economics and thus dead presidents collectively pooled for the purpose of independent institutional development is foremost.

FINALLY, AS I BELIEVE PROPER KNOWLEDGE IS THE KEY TO ABOVE SAID FREEDOM,this is how I have explained freedom via education on RBG Street Scholars Think Tank's You Tube Network:

"THE MAIN GOAL OF THIS SCHOOL IS NOT MASTERY OVER OPPRESSION. SUCH A GOAL, EVEN IF ACCOMPLISHED TO ITS FULLEST EXTENT, WOULD ONLY LAND AFRIKAN PEOPLE IN A VACUUM. RATHER, THE PREEMINENT GOAL OF THE RBG STREET SCHOLARS THINK TANK'S CORE CURRICULUM IS SELF-MASTERY BY WAY OF AFRIKAN-CENTERED CULTURAL TRANSFORMATION FOR THE PURPOSE OF SECURING BLACK POWER. NONETHELESS, THIS GOAL MANDATES THE ACTIVE NEUTRALIZATION OF ALL OPPRESSIVE YOKES WITHIN AND WITHOUT THE AFRIKAN SELF AND COLLECTIVE. GIVEN THAT WE ALL ARE DECENDENTS OF A PEOPLE THAT WERE TAKEN THROUGH THE EUROPEAN'S EVIL GENIUS THREE STEP PROCESS OF DERACINATION, I.E. DEAFRIKANIZATION, DEHUMANIZATION AND INFERIORTIZATION, THE INDIVIDUAL SEARCH FOR SECURITY UNDER OUR PRESENT CONDITION AND THE QUEST FOR PERSONAL HARMONY AND PRIVATE SUCCESS AT THE COST OF BETRAYING OUR COLLECTIVE ASPIRATIONS FOR SELF-DETERMINATION REQUIRES LITTLE COURAGE, VISION OR RISK. SUCH EFFORTS ACCEPT THE SOCIAL ORDER (DISORDER) AS IMMUTABLE. BUT, IN ORDER FOR AFRIKAN PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO DEFEND, DEFINE AND DEVELOP IN OUR OWN IMAGE AND INTEREST; A NEW COURAGE, NEW VISION, NEW CONSCIOUSNESS, COMMITMENT AND CONDUCT IS REQUIRED. THE DEHUMANIZING ENEMY WITHOUT MUST BE NEUTRALIZED—AT LEAST PSYCHO-CULTURALLY AND SOCIO-MATERIALLY,JUST AS THE ENEMY WITHIN MUST BE EJECTED. NEITHER CAN OCCUR WITHOUT SERIOUS STUDY AND WORK THROUGH OUR OWN AFRIKAN EYES AND ORGANIZED TECHNOLOGICALLY SOPHISTICATED INDEPENDENT INSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT. BOTH ENTAIL RISKING A SOCIAL, POLITICAL, ECONOMIC, EDUCATIONAL AND SPIRITUAL CRISIS; AND EVEN PHYSICAL DEATH. FOR THEM AND ONLY THEN CAN A NEW AFRIKAN WORLD UNION BE ESTABLISHED?"

[josteele]

What Exactly does freedom mean?

We throw the word around Very often. Others having too much of It, us having not enough of it, historical references dealing with abuses of It.

Im going out on a limb here, but I think at least 99% of Black people think freedom is the opposite of slavery (being forced to work for no wages). I dont know what other people think it is. Does anybody Know?