Does the bible, or Christian religion teach against Withcraft?

[Vic da god]

Does the bible teach us to stay away from witchcraft??
What is witchcraft? What is the energy source of the practice?

In my opinion the latter questions must be answered in order to effectively answer the main question.
I want anyone's opinions as well as definitions according to sources such as bibles, dictionaries, Book of the Dead, Shetaut Neter, and so on.


Whats your opinion?

1. What is witchcraft?
using the following examples, I attempt to back up my opinion that alchemy, magic, or miracles are an act of witchcraft?? Do you agree? With my opinion?

witch- a practitioner of supernatural or magical acts.
craft- a skill.

thus

witchcraft- a skill pratice of supernatural or magical acts.


Witchcraft- when I think of witchcraft, I think of any miracle, paranormal, or alchemical act, or action performed, that is unexplainable to the society. This act can be positive or negative, good or evil, god or devil, both ways, in my opinion it is still witchcraft.

example 1: I bring a cigarette lighter to a society that lives in caves somewhere in asia. they dont understand what caused the fire to be lit, thus its magical, and Im declared a witch .

example 2: or I can go to the stone age and make fire out of stones and wood. Again I am declared a witch based on the society's knowledge of the world and how it works.

example 3: I take in a diseased little boy from a villa in Haiti and give him the cure for the disease whcih I got from a hospital in NY. THe vaccination consists of chemicals and praying to the lord to help this boy recover in english. The boy is cured, and Im declared a witch.

example 4: I take in a diseased little boy from NY and give him the cure for the disease which I got from a Shaman in a villa in Haiti. The cure consists of using herbs and praying to the lord to help this boy recover.The boy is cured, and Im declared a witch.


In the process of ANY miracles, paranormal, or alchemical acts, ENERGY is required.

Whether it be healing people, or creating food from nothing, wine from water, or fire from 2 stones, levitation (walking on water), energy is needed.

To take it even further, simply breathing, and life itself requires energy.

Thus all beings of matter use or channel energy.

2. What is the energy source of a witch's practice?

In my opinion, the answer to that question is simple, considering Biblically Scientifically, Esoterically, and according to our own Kemetic masters, energy only has one source.

According to the bible, The supreme creator manifests EVERYTHING that Exists. This is not something that happened in the past only, this is an eternal event. God created, creates in the present, and is the ONLY source of creation for the future. Understand that there is no future, without god to sustain it.

This world is made of both energy, and matter, or ma'at. As said before, spirit, or energy, sustains matter. For instance, spirit sustains (my) body.

If this is true, then, can a witch create, or channel or good energy or bad energy?

In my opinion. No. According to the bible, there is no good or bad energy. They are only those that attempt to use energy for good, or evil.

For instance. God sustains BOTH Kane and Abel. The devil did not create Kane. Therefore the energy in Kane is God's energy. BUT is is Kane's choice whether he will use that energy, or spirit of God, for good or evil.

According to the bible there is only evil and good choices.

However this is not my final opinion. I would like to hear yours.


3. Did Jesus and Moses Practice magic? Are they practitioners of witchcraft?

Well first of all Moses and Jesus both wer learndt in Egypt. Feel free to add more info proving this.

With the combination of Jesus' genetic/spiritual bloodline + his waxing in Egypt, he goes to Galilee 2000+ years ago. He arrives to see a man dying of Leprosy. He focuses his energy/chakra/spirit, , puts his hand on the dudes head, and bam!!! the dude is healed. The man is cured.

Jesus conducted magical acts, ad Yes the spirit to do them come from God just as the spirit ANYONE uses to conduct magic is from god.

I currently cant find the biblical scriptures stating exactly this, but I KNOW the bible shows that Jesus GREW up for the first 12 years of his life, IN Egypt. And that young boy went to Israel and saw the lies of thier churches. Afterwhich he attempted to teach the truth which he obviously learned from the egyptians, as well as through his divine creation

Now the child continued to grow and to become spiritually strong. He lived in the wilderness until the day he appeared in Israel.
- Luke 1:80.

Now for moses, you can just read the following if necessary, but
"First Prophet of the God"

Moses "simply means 'born of'. The name normally required another name prefixed to it, such as Thothmoses (born of Thoth), Rameses (born of Ra) or Amenmosis (born of Amen) Whilst the 'moses' element is spelt slightly differently when rendered in English, they all mean the same thing and it seems very likely to us that either Moses himself or some later scribe dropped the name of an Egyptian god from the front of his name."
The birth narrative of Sargon I, who ruled over Babylon and Sumer hundred of years before Moses states his mother "set me in a basket of rushes; with bitumen she sealed my lid. She cast me into the river, which rose not over me."
"...The birth story is almost certainly a fiction created in the sixth century BC echoing, for the birth of the Jewish nation, the ancient theme of creation emerging from the waters."
- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

"And Moses became learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds."
- Acts 7:22

"Moses was a skilled performer of magical rituals and was deeply learned in the knowledge of the accompanying spells, incantations, and magical formulas of every description...[Moreover] the miracles which he wrought...suggest that he was not only a priest, but a magician of the highest order and perhaps even a Ker Heb
- Sir E. A. Wallis Budge, From Fetish to God in Ancient Egypt [Egyptian High Priest]."

"At the top of the hierarchy of priests was the high-priest, the sem priest, or 'First Prophet of the God'. He would have been an extrmely learned man, an elder of the temple, a man with considerable administrative ability and political sense. He would have been in charge of seeing that the temple and all its hodings ran smoothly, and officiating at the most important ceremonies. While normally such a man would have risen to his position through the ranks, it was the pharaoh's perogative to place whomever he wanted in that office.
- Bob Brier, Ancient Egyptian Magic

"Moses, a son of the tribe of Levi, educated in Egypt and initiated at Heliopolis, became a High Priest of the Brotherhood under the reign of Pharaoh Amenhotep [Akhnaton]. He was elected by the Hebrews as their chief and he adapted to the ideas of his people the science and philosophy which he had obtained in the Egyptian mysteries; proofs of this are to be found in the symbols, in the Initiations, and in his precepts and commandments....The dogma of an 'only god' which he taught was the Egyptian Brotherhood interpretation and teaching of the Pharaoh who established the first monotheistic religion known to man."
- Egyptian High Priest Manetho (3rd Century BC)

"If Moses was a High Priest of the Brotherhood under Akhnaton, as Manetho states, but did not lead the exodus
- William Bramley, The Gods of Eden

until the reign of Rameses II, as many historians believe, then Moses must have been an extremely old man at the time of the exodus. (Rameses II did not rule until almost one hundred years after Akhnaton.) The Bible, in Deuteronomy 34:7 states that Moses was 120 years old when he died."

Moses and the Egyptian Priesthood



Finally , My current answer to the question? Does the bible, or Christian religion teach against Withcraft?

No, the bible does not teach against witchcraft, it teaches against using it for evil.

The word devil simply means doers of evil. There is no devil. There are only evil doers.
Evil is an act out of ignorance of god. An act of earthly, and material perception.
Good is an act that is beyond earth, and One with God.

Now, if you are an evil doer, I cant deal with you. Its that simple.

(3)You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God... (7)Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
James 4:4,7,8

a Biblical verse Killah Priest put me onto on this track.

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my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. "Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children.
-Hosea 4:6

[Vic da god]

10There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.

11Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

12For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
Deutoronomy 8:10-12

Im pretty sure we can add Parting seas to this list that bible bible has . Moses can thus be described as a witch, right??

[Vic da god]

Witchcraft serves NO god.... has no philosophy
It was deamonized by those wishing to use christainity as a source of control.
We can trace the deeds of christainity... we have the crusades, the inquisition, etc... now where are the deeds of witchcraft?
MAYBE THE BIBLE SHOULD TEACH US TO STAY AWAY FROM CHRISTAINITY.

[Vic da god]

Furthermore I have learned from within and outside the bible that I should not concern with witchcraft and sorcery, but about lustful images & impure thoughts.

[killadream]

Egyptian hieroglyphs found in New South Wales:

The hieroglyphs tell the tale of early Egyptian explorers, injured and stranded, in ancient Australia. The discovery centres around a most unusual set of rock carvings found in the National Park forest of the Hunter Valley, 100 km north of Sydney.

The enigmatic carvings have been part of the local folklore of the area for nearly a century with reports of people who sighted them as far back as the early 1900's.

The site was secretly visited by families "in the know" in the 1950's and fell back into local mythology for a couple of decades until it was accidentally rediscovered by a man looking for his lost dog.

The carvings are in a rock cleft, a large block of split sandstone on a cliff-face that has created a small chasm or "chamber" of two flat stone walls facing each other that widens out from two to four metres and is covered in by a huge flat rock as a "roof" at the narrow end.

The cleft is most cave-like and only accessible by a small rock chute from above or below, well disguised from the average bush-walker.

When you first come up the rock chute and climb into the stone hallway you are immediately confronted by a number of worn carvings that are obviously ancient Egyptian symbols. These are certainly not your average Aboriginal animal carvings, but something clearly alien in the Australian bush setting.

There are at least 250 hieroglyphs.

At the end of the chamber, protected by the remaining section of stone roof, is a remarkable third-life sized carving of the ancient Egyptian god "Anubis", the Judge of the Dead

There is significant evidence that the ancients were well aware of the Great South land. There were both Sumerian and Mayan traditions of a "lost motherland" in the Pacific.

Australia appears under the name of "Antoecie" on the famous spherical world map of Crates of Mallos, even appearing on the Greek map of Eratosthenese in 239 BC. It seems fairly certain that the maritime civilizations of antiquity were quite capable of extensive ocean voyages. Particularly the early Egyptians, as evidenced by Giza's remarkable 'Tomb of the Boat'.

According to Cairo Times, in 1982, archaeologists working at Fayum, near the Siwa Oasis uncovered fossils of kangaroos and other Australian marsupials. There's also the unexplained set of golded boomerangs discovered by Prof. Carter in the tomb of Tutankhamen in 1922.


Sacred sites within the landscape are an essential part of Aboriginal people's very different kind of religious beliefs.
The caves inside the rock are covered with Aboriginal paintings. In 1985 the federal government of Australia returned Uluru to its traditional owners, the Aborigines. According to Cyril Havecker in his book Understanding Aboriginal Culture, in Aboriginal mythology Uluru is the Intelligent Snake from the higher spirit realms of the universe who brought forth a great rainbow. From this rainbow a huge spirit snake slithered down to earth. This was Uluru, symbol of the Great Rainbow Serpent. Uluru is depicted by Aborigines as a symbol of fertility. It is shaped like a horseshoe lying on its side, the open end to the left. The lower part of the "U" undulates and is filled with eggs. Thus the figure symbolizes both male and female and is considered to be the father and mother of all forms of life.

The Australian continent is crisscrossed with the tracks of the Dreamings: walking, slithering, crawling, flying, chasing, hunting, weeping, dying, giving birth. Performing rituals, distributing the plants, making the landforms and water, establishing things in their places, making the relationships between one place and another. Leaving parts or essences of themselves.

The rock walls chronicle a tragic saga of ancient explorers shipwrecked in a strange and hostile land, and the untimely death of their royal leader, "Lord Djes-eb".

A group of three cartouches (framed clusters of glyphs) record the name of "RA-JEDEF" as reigning King of the Upper and Lower Nile, and son of 'Khufu' who, in turn, is son of the King 'Sneferu'.

This dates the expedition just after the reign of King Khufu - known in the Greek as "Cheops" alleged builder of the Great Pyramid.

Lord Djes-eb may have actually been one of the sons of the Pharaoh Ra Djedef, who reigned after Khufu.

Egyptian Dynasties

The hieroglyphic text was apparently written under the instruction of a ship's captain or similar, with the corner glyph on the wall displaying the title of a high official or chief priest.

The scribe is speaking for his Highness, the Prince, from this wretched place where we were carried by ship. The expedition's leader, is described in the inscriptions as the King's son, 'Lord Djes-eb', who came to grief a long way from home. The hieroglyphics sketch his journey and his tragic demise. Burial rituals, prayers and preparations are described.

For two seasons he made my way westward, weary, but strong to the end.

Always praying, joyful, and smiting insects.

He, the servant of God, said God brought the insects.

Have gone around hills and deserts, in wind and rain, with no lakes at hand.

He was killed while carrying the Golden Falcon Standard up front in a foreign land, crossing mountains, desert and water along the way.

He, who died before, is here laid to rest.

May he have life everlasting. He is never again to stand beside the waters of the Sacred Mer. Mer meaning 'love'.

There was a moat around the pyramid called the "waters of Mer".

The second facing wall, which was much more seriously eroded, details the tragedy further.

This wall begins with the badly eroded glyph of a snake (Heft), with a glyph of jaws (to bite) and the symbol for 'twice'.

The snake bit twice.

Those followers of the diving Lord 'Khufu', mighty one of Lower Egypt, Lord of the Two Adzes, not all shall return.

We must go forward and not look back.

All the creek and river beds are dry. Our boat is damaged and tied up with rope.

Death was caused by snake.

We gave egg-yolk from the medicine-chest and prayed to Amen, the Hidden One, for he was struck twice.

We walled in the side entrance to the chamber with stones from all around.

We aligned the chamber with the Western Heavens.

The three doors of eternity were connected to the rear end of the royal tomb and sealed in.

We placed beside it a vessel, the holy offering, should he awaken from the tomb.

Separated from home is the Royal body and all others.

Here is inscribed the extraordinary story of the death and burial of 'Lord Djes-eb' one of the sons of the Pharaoh Ra Djedef.

Aborigines also revere the area around Lake Narran hundreds of kilometers northwest of Sydney. According to legend 10,000 years ago the Creator decided to manifest on earth (Tya) as a man. He sent a message by telepathy to all living things to gather at Moon Lake (Lake Narran) to wait for him to appear. When he asked them to clear the ground and there he made a circle representing his body, out of which all life comes. This circle would become an important part of Aboriginal life, as it is the place where initiation takes place. He told them the creation myth and why they had been placed on the earth. He instructed them to hold initiations for their youth. At the time of initiation a wise woman or man was to tell them the laws of living and how they were to fulfill the great plan for life, the things he was explaining to them at this first initiation. The circle was called a Bora and Boras have been drawn and used all over Australia for thousands of years. Access to these sacred sites (most of which are secret) is extremely important to Aboriginal life. All Bora sites are high-energy, sacred places.

Egyptian Lost City in the Grand Canyon?

[killadream]

Almost all of the Australian aboriginies shaman are initiated within one large group, called "The Dreamers". This is due to the fact that Australia has some of the strongest, and chaotic magic, around. All of the shaman are needed to put a check on that chaos. A Koori shaman takes only a small penalty for some tasks when astrally perceiving. As a trade off they are unable to mask. Any magician (full or adept) will notice this, whether or not he can assence. Mundanes even can tell when one of The Dreamers has entered the room. A Koori shaman will rarely travel outside of Australia, the need is too great in the outback for that.

White Australian shamans cannot join the dreamers, but some are associated with the koori group.

The Australian aboriginal shamans - "clever men" or "men of high degree" - described "celestial ascents" to meet with the "sky gods" such as Baiame, Biral, Goin and Bundjil. Many of the accounts of ritualistic initiation bare striking parallels to modern day UFO contactee and abduction lore. The aboriginal shamanic "experience of death and rising again" in the initiation of tribal "men of high degree" finds some fascinating parallels with modern day UFO abduction lore. The "chosen one" (either voluntarily or spontaneously) is set upon by "spirits", ritualistically "killed", and then experiences a wondrous journey (generally an aerial ascent to a strange realm) to met the "sky god." He is restored to life -- a new life as the tribal shaman.

Ritual death and resurrection, abduction by powerful beings, ritual removal or rearrangement of body parts, symbolic disembowelment, implanting of artifacts, aerial ascents and journeys into strange realms, alien tutelage and enlightenment, personal empowerment, and transformation - these and many other phenomena are recurring elements of the extraordinary shamanic tradition.

Bora Ground: The Aborigines considered some places to be sacred. In some parts of Australia the tribes called the places where initiation ceremonies were held, bora grounds. They were called Buna grounds in other parts of the country, but the sites were not randomly chosen and were used for thousands of years by the tribe. The bora ground itself was identified by two circles that were drawn on the ground or were formed by rocks or pebbles. The circles were connected by a path and other symbols were drawn into the earth or carved into trees near the grounds. These symbols were highly significant in ceremonies and also warned people (women and uninitiated youths and strangers), to stay away from the area.....a spirit being, called a Quinkan, a being which lured men to it, a trickster being which as Aboriginal lore goes would dehumanise you.

[Vic da god]

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Originally Posted by killadream

Many of the accounts of ritualistic initiation bare striking parallels to modern day UFO contactee and abduction lore. The aboriginal shamanic "experience of death and rising again" in the initiation of tribal "men of high degree" finds some fascinating parallels with modern day UFO abduction lore. The "chosen one" (either voluntarily or spontaneously) is set upon by "spirits", ritualistically "killed", and then experiences a wondrous journey (generally an aerial ascent to a strange realm) to met the "sky god." He is restored to life -- a new life as the tribal shaman.

Wow, many parallels with The Osiris, Horus story, as well as connections with modern baptism, and UFO abduction like u say. This is reaaaally some deep info, which also reminds me of the teaching of humans having beeen maimed of the higher senses, and those that become re-membered, or blessed with those sense due to their spiritual maturity. Some incredibly deep info.

Originally Posted by killadream

These symbols were highly significant in ceremonies and also warned people (women and uninitiated youths and strangers), to stay away from the area.....a spirit being, called a Quinkan, a being which lured men to it, a trickster being which as Aboriginal lore goes would dehumanise you.

It sounds like the lure takes advantage of our attachment to the lower sense, and the insatiable appetite to please them.
I could only imagine the spirituality that must be needed in order to travel these grounds unaffected by this trickster spiritual being.


Its funny some shallow people woluld attempt to say, this has little to do with the much that I wasnted to discuss, but Im not shocked at the simple definition of the title 'shaman', ("clever men" or "men of high degree") and its similarity to the title 'witch', which I'd defined as merely a skilled practitioner of the magic we all use. they are parallel, but with indoctrination, the people have lost vision of what magic is.


killadream. This is some extremely fascinating information, and Im thankful for it. It definitely answers my question. And answers many other questions. I need to know more. gonna do some research. Cuz, I'm very interested in this area your talkin about. I wanna do some traveling now , and we can make our own documentaries into our own ancestry. THis is amazing. And if u have any more, send me the link. Many Many thanks. hetep.

Originally Posted by killadream

Egyptian Lost City in the Grand Canyon?

I know this is the case. Somehow they get wiped out just as the Mayans did. Have very little clue how, besides probably had a lot to do with UFOs.

[killadream]

In the immense silence of emptiness, Universal Cosmic Energy radiates omni presently over the deep space of impermanent existence, where sufferings exist endlessly in the profoundly moving beauty of the Universe. Meditation is the greatest path to the cessation of sufferings under the movement of Intelligence, Peace, and Love

[TheStruggle]

Originally Posted by Vic da god

Witchcraft serves NO god.... has no philosophy
It was deamonized by those wishing to use christainity as a source of control.
We can trace the deeds of christainity... we have the crusades, the inquisition, etc... now where are the deeds of witchcraft?
MAYBE THE BIBLE SHOULD TEACH US TO STAY AWAY FROM CHRISTAINITY.

I agree but witchcraft does have a book. I hope some can learn that God's book does not have powers as some stated it to be. yeah it says alot of teachings in the bible that speaks against christianity teachings. it just uses common sense. its no die hard theology except for scams or for one's diversity of life.


2. What is the energy source of a witch's practice?


What I also seen that witchcraft is associated with the whether(yes Katrina was victimized). its sources of energy is developed on land base(like trees, grass, water).

[afrikamen0506]

Who cares about witchcraft!! The question should be does christianity keep our people confined to beleiveing in something that does not control their lives. As far as i know the christian religion is a european religion.

[ALEGBA'S FRIEND]

Voudou is from africa and it is a beautiful spiritual belief system,

but whitey makes it look like scary ooga-booga and

"oh big bad black people!" zombies and demons.

But if its white people and their wicca magic its fine.

Always demonizing black beliefs or anything african

and their magic is holy and pure.

I have spiritual beliefs and thats what i'm sticking to.

[TheStruggle]

Originally Posted by ALEGBA'S FRIEND

Voudou is from africa and it is a beautiful spiritual belief system,

but whitey makes it look like scary ooga-booga and

"oh big bad black people!" zombies and demons.

But if its white people and their wicca magic its fine.

Always demonizing black beliefs or anything african

and their magic is holy and pure.

I have spiritual beliefs and thats what i'm sticking to.

no one wasn't talking about voodoo's bad. nobody even has mention voodoo. don't know why there was thanks to your post.

[TheStruggle]

Originally Posted by afrikamen0506

Who cares about witchcraft!! The question should be does christianity keep our people confined to beleiveing in something that does not control their lives. As far as i know the christian religion is a european religion.

it using common sense. if you were talking about christianity religion, you would be talking about islam religion. you didn't know that, because they took idols along with them.

[Im The Truth]

Originally Posted by afrikamen0506

Who cares about witchcraft!! The question should be does christianity keep our people confined to beleiveing in something that does not control their lives. As far as i know the christian religion is a european religion.

Correction: Christianity comes out of Africa.

[Majadi]

Originally Posted by Im The Truth

Correction: Christianity comes out of Africa.

Whoomph There it is! Study the writings of Dr.John G. Jackson, Dr. Josef Ben-Jochannen, Rev. Ishakamusa Barashango, Dr. Jacob Carruthers....Holy Crap I could do this forever!!!