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View Poll Results: Should previous allegations of Sexual Abuse against Children Be Allowed In This Trial
Yes, there should be previous witness 7 17.50%
No, there should NOT be previous witness....it is unfair 12 30.00%
I personally don't give a F*ck about Michael Jackson 21 52.50%
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Michael Jackson Molestation Case:

Michael Jackson Molestation Case:

Should the Jury Hear Previous Child Sex Allegations?

By Ed Wiley III, BET.com Staff Writer


Posted March 28, 2005 -- The judge in the Michael Jackson alleged sexual molestation trial is expected to rule Monday whether the prosecution can give the jury details about previous child sexual abuse charges against the entertainer.

In 1993, Jackson paid millions to keep from facing a jury on charges he molested a 13-year-old boy. There is at least one other instance that Jackson paid a family to keep quiet about molestation charges, according to NBC’s “Dateline.”

Legal experts say that if the prosecution is allowed to introduce such evidence it would help establish a pattern of behavior that would make the likelihood of conviction rise dramatically.

At a hearing Monday, Judge Rodney S. Melville will decide how much, if any, of the previous cases will be allowed in this trial. Jackson currently is on trial for allegedly molesting a 13-year-old cancer patient who visited his Neverland amusement ranch in southern California two years ago.

Jackson contends that he is the victim of greedy con artists, who are trying to bilk him out of his wealth by making false claims.

In earlier TV interviews, he has acknowledged sharing his bed with young boys but says he has never inappropriately touched any of them. He also admits shelling out millions in civil suits but says the payments were merely an attempt to keep career-damaging lies about his reputation out of the public eye.

On Sunday, in a radio interview with the Rev. Jesse Jackson, the pop star said he is one of many “Black luminaries” to be publicly smeared unjustifiably.

Should previous allegations of sexual abuse against children be allowed in this trial?
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If Michael Jackson truly is not a 'child molestor', then WHY keep having under-aged BOYS come to your house and have sleep overs in his bed? He should already know by now that no matter how 'nice' a person can be, there is always going to be somebody out there who is going to take advantage. Regardless if MJ has been sexually abusive or not, HE knows the outcome, so why keep repeating the same offense? MICHAEL....YOU CAN'T LET UNDER-AGED KIDS (BOYS) 'SLEEP' IN YOUR BED.....ITS A FORMULA FOR DISASTER!! And instead of his family alleviating MJ by 'holding his hand' through all this....they SHOULD instead tell his behind to quit acting dumb and childish and be a 46 year old MAN who ought to know better. I'm willing to bet anyone that if MJ gets out of this mess alive, he'll do it again. Bet!

Like my father told me as a kid "a hard head makes a soft a--s---s". Michael Jackson better wake up; if he really belives that there is a 'conspiracy' against Black entertainers, then he better quit while he's ahead, or he'll really get thrown to the wolves.
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Hmmmmm... I am not sure what to think about Mike.All the other accusers sold their stories to the tabloids which is suspect.The 93' case to me is just garbage, and we won't be hearing from that kid.The more I think about this the more I see money as the motivating factor in these cases.The boy who testified last week to me seemed angry, bitter, and worst of all coached.Where was the hurt and pain of a kid claiming to be molested? I can't say for sure if Mike is guilty or innocent, but he needs to grow up and make wiser decisions.As for allowing past allegations, I say No.What is an allegation... nothing but hearsay.
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I personally wont believe that he molested those children until i see proof which they still havent shown as yet. If he did in FACT molest those kids then he should be punished but prove it first. Also although i dont agree that he should have young boys sleeping in his bed... i dont think that makes him a molester. Jackson has psycological problems which is obvious to me and i believe stems from his childhood. He cant act like a man because he is still a child inside. This is not an excuse for him to get off if he did molest anyone but seems more factual to me than anything else ive seen on the news. Everyone is focused on Michael.. what about those parents who allow there children to sleep over a mans house that they know nothing about. Why because he is rich. What does thatsay about the parents. Then they cry molestation but are so willing to settle out of court for a little bit of cash. I guess there childrens lives arent worth much. Also whats up with the outragous bail they set for him??? 3 mill dollars.. Thats B/S if you ask me. If he was white those figures could never be that high. The f***ed up part is that if Michael does get off there will always be a permanent stain that he will never get rid of. That reminds me of every other Black man thats thrown behind bars over some bullshit. If they get out and thats a big IF.. society sees them as unfit to be a part of society. They become stained for life.
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I personally wont believe that he molested those children until i see proof which they still havent shown as yet. If he did in FACT molest those kids then he should be punished but prove it first. Also although i dont agree that he should have young boys sleeping in his bed... i dont think that makes him a molester. Jackson has psycological problems which is obvious to me and i believe stems from his childhood. He cant act like a man because he is still a child inside. This is not an excuse for him to get off if he did molest anyone but seems more factual to me than anything else ive seen on the news. Everyone is focused on Michael.. what about those parents who allow there children to sleep over a mans house that they know nothing about. Why because he is rich. What does thatsay about the parents. Then they cry molestation but are so willing to settle out of court for a little bit of cash. I guess there childrens lives arent worth much. Also whats up with the outragous bail they set for him??? 3 mill dollars.. Thats B/S if you ask me. If he was white those figures could never be that high. The f***ed up part is that if Michael does get off there will always be a permanent stain that he will never get rid. That reminds me of every other Black man thats thrown behind bars over some bullshit.
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I don't think that the Jury Should Hear Previous Child Sex Allegations. In this case I believe The little boys family is just trying to take Michael for all the money they can get. Hearing previous allegations that has not been proven will be unfair and unjust to Michael.

Now Michael Jackson is in a class by himself. I can't imagine what would make a person disfigure themself the way Michael does. In his case, I don't think it's so much that he dislikes being black in as much as he might have some deep and personal mental issues and fears about his very existence.
I think Michael just wants to be outside of his body, and he is trying to change himself to be someone else, not necessarily a white person, but that is all plastic surgery offers these days o: No one wants to be black, it doesn't sell, unless you can have them work the plantation too.

White people want a quick fix tan, they want the lips, they want the hips, they want the "junk in their trunk",(booty) but ain't nobody trying to be black, to much trials and tribulations, you all know the drill we all go through it on a daily basis But serious though, if those white people could buy black in a bottle, then we would all be rich... all of a sudden we would all be self employed.... hahahaah Yeah you'll know you'ss will be trying to sell some of that good ole' melanin.

But on a more serious note, Michael needs some help. I don't think he is bad, but something in his mental is off balanced. And no, I don't believe he molested any of those children, I honestly don't think so. Michael is only mature when it comes to his Music and his creative abilities. In everything else I think he has a warped sense of reality, and displays childlike behaviors, because to him they are the only sane people on the planet.

Children are the most honest and non pretentious individuals, and I think it's that honesty Michael is attracted too. The same goes for the animals, they are what they are and nothing else. Again, that warped sense of reality in Michael doesn't mean bad, but just different. To me that is why he has created his own world in NeverNeverLand.

They have the nerve to be going after Michael Jackson for child molestation. They are such hypocrites. All the damm priests in the Catholic church, has a consistent record of molesting all those children over centuries, and no one does anything about it. No one is running behind them with a camera in their faaces, asking why they keep molesting little children, the damm perverts. No one is putting them in the spotlight for their crimes. All of those reptile looking old bastards.

I hope he doesn't have to go to jail. On the issue of how much time Michael, or any other black person would be doing, it just depends on first, on how the white people are feeling that day, some days they feel 10 or 20ish...or is it life.... or maybe the death penalty. Then it's how much money white america can get from them, by the overpriced white lawyers, and all the other leeches that tag themselves unto these people because they have money, and then the rest is optional, who else would claim it as time goes by..... They don't give a sh't about us or the effect these outrageous sentences have on our families.

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Its sad how this modern day clown, wants to crawl back to the Black community, wasn't he chillin with ronald ray-gun in the klan house in the 80s?
He didn't speak out then, so fuck him now!!
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I agree with DJ RBG (go DJ.....cuz U my DJ), fuck ole boy & tell em' leave them damn lil ass kids alone. ain't right for a 50 yr old man to be with kindergardeners talking bout he hangin 0ut & havin fun (nigga please). He ain't dude on the movie slingblade & shit, mike betta go on some damn place & seek some help while he still got a lil dignity left!
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michael shows all the indicators of being a maladjusted adult with tendancies towards pedophilia. i dont hate him, i pity him. somewhere along the way an army of white lawyers, accountants and publicists and negros mimmicking the aforementioned ruined this man. he in turn ruined his own body and made a series of understandably weird and grotesque choices, many of which are anti-afrikan. he a sick frankenstein in every way. and for those familiar frankenstein wasnt the problem. the doctor that created him was...

but when the issue of children come into play, i have no mercy for him. nor r. kelly. nor the legion of politicians, producers, directors, preachers and the like that seem to only settle for children. that across teh globe create extensive and secretive organizations that buy and enslave children, whether openly or through beguiling means.

i am not white. i do not prescribe to the idea that a court of lieing lawyers and judges that are more interested in manufactured evidence, legislation and legal technicalities rather than truth can determine whether someone is guilty or not. i have no choice but to judge on my own. so far as i am concerned his admission to sleeping w/ children that are not his own is enough to catch a serious, near fatal beatdown. intense care "we are not sure if he is gonna make it" kinda beatdown...feel me? but there is nothing in his character to suggest he WOULDNT do it or COULDNT do it. logic says he is predator. i join the french for one rare occasion and say, "off with his head". (king of pop...marie antoinette, queen of france..get it? lol..okay it was corny. moving along...lol)
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i missed the news on whether these previous allegations were actually admitted into evidence. Beyond what anyone thinks about MJ, there are really serious ramifications for anyone who's tied into the criminal just-us system to have previous charges that were already adjudicated (or hushed up) resurface at any given time. These allegations should not be dredged up now when the accusers refused to try them in a kkkourt originally, they have effectively forfeited their claims of being wronged. Defendants shouldn't have to fear being tried for these types of cases when in kkkourt on new charges, but it happens all the time to regular folx, the only difference is that MJ had the dough to supposedly "handle" it. Guess he ain't that special after all, huh?
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" i have no choice but to judge on my own. so far as i am concerned his admission to sleeping w/ children that are not his own is enough to catch a serious, near fatal beatdown. intense care "we are not sure if he is gonna make it" kinda beatdown...feel me? but there is nothing in his character to suggest he WOULDNT do it or COULDNT do it. logic says he is predator. i join the french for one rare occasion and say, "off with his head". (king of pop...marie antoinette, queen of france..get it? lol..okay it was corny. moving along...lol)"



Let me premise this by saying I am no MJ fan. His actions do not support African liberation in any kind of way (to my knowledge), therefore, I could care less about the trial or anything to do with his situation.

IfasehunReincarnated I had to respond to the comment you made on this poll (especially the part above). I must agree with you on this topic whole-heartedly in that clearly there are some questionable (to say the very least) tendencies on MJ's part. He is clearly a victim of white supremacy in terms of the self-mutilation, and actions he participates in with these children, etc. However, your reasoning for his getting a beat down sparked a question. Correct me if I am wrong, but there seems to be a pattern in the type of children who have come forth to testify against him in the past and those who feel to do so presently- they're all white children. As an African centered sista, I see white children as the oppressors of tomorrow, so while his actions are definitely anti-African in my opinion, how concerned about these children should we be as African centered people? My focus is not so much on judging his character - which we all can see clearly, but on looking at the action itself. I would like to know everyone's opinion on this, in terms of How We Are to Judge Black People When They (allegedly) Do Evil Things To whites (Even If the Action Is Not Politically Motivated)?
As for me I would have to say his character shows signs of maafa illness. It seems that white supremacy created him, and now they have to deal with him. However my concern is with African liberation, and seeking retribution for our ancestors, who as children, were molested, raped, mutilated, and worse, and also with how does this Maafa experience create a personality like that, and what we must do to stop it.
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My opinion still stands... Whether the childen are white or not really isnt the issue. The issue in my opinion is whether or not he did in FACT molest those children. There still is no proof that he has done so and so i belive to label him or anyone for that matter a child molester is unwise. One Reason being that it is done to our people everday. He has made some very unwise choices.. having a child sleep in his bed may be one of those very unwise choices yes... But at the same time noone looks at how unwise the parents were for allowingthere children to sleep at a mans house that they know absolutley nothing about. It seems very suspicious to me and i belive this should be questioned. Especially since they would be willing to settle in court for money as the last young boys parents did. Black people make unwise choices everyday but that doesnt make them murderers, rapists, child molesters, or any other ungodly label the system wants to place on them. The only thing that can judge that is fact.. proof, hardcore eveidence. Michael Jackson never confessed to molesting anyone and they still havent found any proof to convict him either. Until i see it i wont belive it. He may be white washed and a fool but he is still a Black man in there eyes just as every other Black prisoner who was convicted wrongfully is JUST a black man in there eyes! Show me some proof first and then we can start lableing...With that said i am not so much concerned with just Michael Jackson alone but how the ruling in this case if not presented with facts and evidence may affect us as a whole.
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i personally put this in the diversion column of my chart...and that there is worldwide intergenerational genocide being perpetrated against Afrikan people on far larger scales see Congo, Sierra Leone, West Papua, India, Sudan, Australia...much more urgent than this crap that i assume would be getting shoved down my throat if i watched tv at all...

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I have checked in our Michael's trial twice since it began. There are daily updates that just dont interest me. I see his behavior, in my opinion, the signs of a pedphile. I have no reason to believe that he has not molested black children or that he doesnt spend time with black children. I suspect that black people would be less likely to come forward because leaving your child in the care of self professed "man-child" is such an obvious lapse in judgement that coming out to seek justice could self destructive.

As far as white children go, I do see them as future oppressors. But I consider them children no less. I have no intention of becoming someone that enjoys or gets satisfaction out of suffering. I can see a person suffer and know it "what they deserve" for an act or series of acts, but I dont enjoy it per se. Furthermore, white people lack of respect for their children, which in turns breeds more adults that care little for the next generation of youth is THEIR stance, not mine. I simply dont like the idea of any child being foddled, showered with, sleep with or otherwise molested. In this rare occasion I could sound like one of the "rainbow" tribe, but its simple - I am not an animal. I have no intention of taking on the characteristics of animal in order to tame it. White people think that is appropriate to start to act like their enemy in order to conquer it. I dont agree.

I am not starting a "Save the White Children Fund". But I see a linkage between standing up and against this alleged offense and protecting our own children. Remember, the world is showing every indication that is doesnt care about children IN GENERAL. Even in our community. Any time a man can urinate on a child, have sex with her, tape it and then release two albums, one greatest hits, one duet with another artist, embark on a world tour, film two "making of the video's" and premier another 4 videos in less than two years, and then we in turn buy over 4 million records and untold number of concert tickets KNOWING it was him that PERMENANTLY hurt a child, we are saying loud and clear, black people dont care about children either. Michael is just a backdrop for the conversation, white child or not. When did we start getting like white people, so that we would disown children and side with millionaires that want to be celebrities forever?
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Funny how he came running back on the black side when the kitchen got hot. MJ disgusts me, as does Jesse Jackson and a few others...
As far as this case, I know I wouldn't let my child go over someone's house who was accused of this shyt before. The parents need to be brought up on charges as well.( I know I'm parroting off of some of y'all but that is a HUGE factor in this) This whole thing is just nasty, disgusting and I'll be glad when it's off the news so I can see what else they come up with to take our minds off of what is really going on
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