Is Pan-Africanism the best solution?

[Freedom]

I was discussing the subject of black nationalism on another forum and when we got to the subject of pan-africanism I was unable to reply, because i'm not a pan-africanist so I chose not to speak for them. I think there are many issues that we need to rethink before trying to form a seperate nation from white people. So I have a few questions for the pan-africanists here.First and foremost, where would the country be located? Obviously in Africa but where in Africa? Have you consulted with African natives on this issue yet? Are you sure that they would want a bunch of black americans in thier land?

I personally don't think that most africans would accept us as thier peers because we have a completely different culture from them.Just think about it, how many REAL africans post on this message forum? Weather you admitt it or not, we're more Americanized than many of you would like to believe.No matter how many african clothes you wear or how many books you read on Africa, you were born in America and your family has been here for generations and we are a part of western culture.The little bit of african culture we had, was all stripped away from us when our ancestors were brought here as slaves and forced to adapt to this new way of life. If you did "return" to africa, you would be viewed as a foreigner.This is why I think that MOST(not all)Pan-Africanists are frauds, I don't believe they really care about the people, I think many are on a personal quest for power and money. Sure you say that you will share the wealth with the people but what usually happens is that a "leader" is elected and he turns out to be greedy and the followers(in this case, it would be those of you who support pan-africanism)are lead astray, only to be exploited again by a new government. In a marxist society, the people are unable to speak out against the government for fear of being prosecuted. There's no real freedom of speech, no freedom of expression etc. You either do what the government says or you're punished. Is this the direction that black people headed?

More importantly, how would you convince the people currently in power to yield the power over to you? I don't think a African dictator would be willing to hand over power to anyone.You would probably have to overthrow the current powers before you could establish your own government there. Most importantly, have you thought about the ecomic dissadvantages of relocating to Africa? Where would the money come from to create roads, factories, dams, shelter and irrigation systems? You may not agree with me here but the most prospersous countries in Africa were built by outsiders, Zimbabwe is a perfect example of this.

PS-I'm not attacking the idea of pan-africanism, im just dealing with reality and trying to get people to see it from a different point of view.

[Akyeame Kwame]

what r u talking about?...u might have stumbled into the wrong forum...

[Freedom]

If you didn't know what i was talkign about you shouldn't have replied to the thread.

[Akyeame Kwame]

Originally Posted by Freedom

If you didn't know what i was talkign about you shouldn't have replied to the thread.

that doesn't even make any sense...if i'm asking you to explain what it is you're talking about that is the REASON to reply to this thread :roll:

[Freedom]

How old are you? If you can't comprehend what I wrote, then why are you at this web site?

[Akyeame Kwame]

Originally Posted by Freedom

How old are you? If you can't comprehend what I wrote, then why are you at this web site?

26 this week...what u wrote is utter nonsense...you might need to go back to the bootlicking buckdancing house negro forum you were at...if i ever do begin to understand that bullshit you wrote i'll join you there along with clarence "uncle" thomas and condom-squeeza rice...

[Akyeame Kwame]

i'm about to add yo' silly @$$ to my ignore list so i won't have to see anymore bullsh*t you might happen to post...

hmmm...but the Assata Shakur board is a good place for confused Afrikans to de-negrofy themselves...so ii'll ck back periodically to see if you've chosen to try to find where exactly you left your sense at...probably back somewhere in Afrika...

[Freedom]

I would have never expected that you were 26 years old. Judging by your replies, I would have assumed you were about 12 or 13. Since your dumbass can't seem to understand what i'm saying, i'll break it down for you in a way that you can undersnand. mmkay?

You see the whole purpose of this forum is Pan-Africanism, right? Do you know what that is? In case you don't know, it's the belief that black people should leave the united states and return to the land of our ancestors, which is africa(if you don't know what africa is then i you don't bother replying). Have you ever heard of people like Marcus Garvey or Malcom X? In case you haven't, i'll give you a brief summary of who they were and what they wanted to accomplish. Basically, they believed that black people should take it upon ourselves to create our own country/nation in the contineint of africa. they believed that black people should help our selves, and not rely on the white american govenment to provid us with jobs, decent housing etc. The whole purpose of going back to africa was to avoid being oppressed by this government and creating our own.I was simply critiqueing the whole idea of returning to africa.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW, FOOL?!?

[Akyeame Kwame]

Originally Posted by Freedom

I would have never expected that you were 26 years old. Judging by your replies, I would have assumed you were about 12 or 13. Since your dumbass can't seem to understand what i'm saying, i'll break it down for you in a way that you can undersnand. mmkay?

You see the whole purpose of this forum is Pan-Africanism, right? Do you know what that is? In case you don't know, it's the belief that black people should leave the united states and return to the land of our ancestors, which is africa(if you don't know what africa is then i you don't bother replying). Have you ever heard of people like Marcus Garvey or Malcom X? In case you haven't, i'll give you a brief summary of who they were and what they wanted to accomplish. Basically, they believed that black people should take it upon ourselves to create our own country/nation in the contineint of africa. they believed that black people should help our selves, and not rely on the white american govenment to provid us with jobs, decent housing etc. The whole purpose of going back to africa was to avoid being oppressed by this government and creating our own.I was simply critiqueing the whole idea of returning to africa.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW, FOOL?!?

first off returning to Afrika is not the equivalent of Pan-Afrikanism...second off your stupid negro @$$ (you probably have a white wife don't you?) should begin critiquing why his/her/a combination of the two mother decided to give birth to his silly krakkka-butt-licking, chicken-grease lickin', buckdancing, ho-cake swallowing @$$...maybe that critique would be more on your level...

[Akyeame Kwame]

maybe that's your problem with Pan-Afrikanism...you have no idea what it actually is...

[Akyeame Kwame]

alright, i'm about to disengage from this fruitless exchange...it's the krakkkaz that you worship that have made you so silly, so rather than arguing with you...the mere by-product of your ideological krakkka masters, i'll be more constructive and refocus my critiques on the cause of your ignorance...your ideological krakkka momma and krakkka daddy...i'm out...

[Freedom]

Well since you're such an intelligen "afrikan", please explain to me what it is since you say i don't know...

[Freedom]

wow don't be mad at me cause your stupid ass can't read and reply to my original post. that just prooves my point that pan-africanism is bs unless somebody here can show me otherwise

[DJ RBG]

Originally Posted by Freedom

I was discussing the subject of black nationalism on another forum and when we got to the subject of pan-africanism I was unable to reply, because i'm not a pan-africanist so I chose not to speak for them. I think there are many issues that we need to rethink before trying to form a seperate nation from white people. So I have a few questions for the pan-africanists here.First and foremost, where would the country be located? Obviously in Africa but where in Africa? Have you consulted with African natives on this issue yet? Are you sure that they would want a bunch of black americans in thier land?

I personally don't think that most africans would accept us as thier peers because we have a completely different culture from them.Just think about it, how many REAL africans post on this message forum? Weather you admitt it or not, we're more Americanized than many of you would like to believe.No matter how many african clothes you wear or how many books you read on Africa, you were born in America and your family has been here for generations and we are a part of western culture.The little bit of african culture we had, was all stripped away from us when our ancestors were brought here as slaves and forced to adapt to this new way of life. If you did "return" to africa, you would be viewed as a foreigner.This is why I think that MOST(not all)Pan-Africanists are frauds, I don't believe they really care about the people, I think many are on a personal quest for power and money. Sure you say that you will share the wealth with the people but what usually happens is that a "leader" is elected and he turns out to be greedy and the followers(in this case, it would be those of you who support pan-africanism)are lead astray, only to be exploited again by a new government. In a marxist society, the people are unable to speak out against the government for fear of being prosecuted. There's no real freedom of speech, no freedom of expression etc. You either do what the government says or you're punished. Is this the direction that black people headed?

More importantly, how would you convince the people currently in power to yield the power over to you? I don't think a African dictator would be willing to hand over power to anyone.You would probably have to overthrow the current powers before you could establish your own government there. Most importantly, have you thought about the ecomic dissadvantages of relocating to Africa? Where would the money come from to create roads, factories, dams, shelter and irrigation systems? You may not agree with me here but the most prospersous countries in Africa were built by outsiders, Zimbabwe is a perfect example of this.

PS-I'm not attacking the idea of pan-africanism, im just dealing with reality and trying to get people to see it from a different point of view.

you got any last words?

[New Dwaben Chief]

1) Repatriation wouldn't be isolated to one country only, it's up to the individual as to where they would want to reside in the motherland.

2) As far as consulting with the natives, I think thats absolutely irrelevant. People in the motherland can't deny fellow Africans repatriation and the natives know this. A lot of African Americans are repatriating to Ghana, South Africa and now I hear quite a bit are moving to Senegal. The statistics my friend got from the Ghana embassy is that 10,000 African Americans own homes in Ghana. Thats not even including the Africans from other parts of the diaspora.

3) As far as what you said about being looked at as a foreigner, I think thats how it is wherever you go in this world. If I go to Barbados, Jamaica, Trinidad I'll be looked at as a foreigner, hell if I go to Louisana I'd probably be looked at as a foreigner. If I decide to live there, humble myself, break bread with the people, emerse myself in their cultures and tradition I'll be accepted.

4) Furthermore, if you want to read about an African Americans repatriation to the motherland I'd recommend you read Curtis Kojo Morrow's "Return of the African-American" which I think is now called "Sankofa".