What IS a REVOLUTIONARY???

[Akyeame Kwame]

htp Y'all,

i was just dialogue-ing with tha homie rebelAfrika on another thread and the question came up "What is a REVOLUTIONARY???"...now he said in the time since he been on the board he ain't heard no one even endeavor to define it...and if anyone ever did it would be doubtful that they would come to a concensus...

but peep this...what is the evaluative criteria that WE use to define somebody like that (i.e. they a revolutionary b/c of X behavior/thought/word/habit)...then...what is the organizing principles that WE are using to make it systematic and clear...(i.e. they are a revolutionary in the area(s) of culture/law/politics/health/spirituality/psychology/social/education/economics)...so let me hear y'all BlackNificent people's thoughts and some examples to back it up...stay BlackNificent y'all...

AK

[RecoveringAA]

Greetings Family,

I know you know who I am Kwame, however, for our "guests", I continue to assert:

I am Joanie, a Re~Covering Afrikan amerikkkan and Re~presentative from the Voices in the Margins.

I was following the thread you refer, and had planned on searching out the definition of "revolutionary" which I re~called defining in a previous thread.

http://www.assatashakur.org/forums/u...ght=revolution

I see that in that thread, I looked up the word "revolution", yet, I wanted to share it anyway. Based on the definition of revolution which I posted, a "revolutionary" would be one who supports this SPIRITUAL movement.
revolution - "the act of a celestial body of going around in an orbit or elliptic course" (websters third would international dictionary).

While there were other definitions available, I chose to focus on this one because a. it was first on the list i believe, (am not with my books at the moment so I can't look it up in the dictionary i was working from) b. WE are a SPIRITUAL people, c. This re~presents a beginning and an end, d. I believe what WE are dealing with is SPIRITUAL in nature ~ Good vs. Evil.....Reminded me of the clique: "What goes around comes around" and/or "you reap what you sow".

AND...

IT'S HARVEST TIME PEOPLE!!!
Rebelafrika ~ i plan to come back to your question as well as


thanks for allowing me to share

[Akyeame Kwame]

i c Recovering Aa (i think yr post was a few days b4 i signed up so i ain't c it)...so how is this definition helpful?

AK

[RecoveringAA]

Is useful for WE because it allows for the integration of SPIRITUAL re~alites when dealing with what WE dealing with.....least is what I see

On a Societal, Communal, Familial and Individual levels, Re~Voluntion, I imagine, is defined differently and therefore, the behaviors associated with same are different.

imo... hahahahahaha......you know what an opinion is like...hahahahahahahaahahahahahhaL )....and....



WE know what comes outta there......LMAO


thanks for allowing me to share

[Akyeame Kwame]

Here's Che's often quoted definition/evaluative criteria of "REVOLUTIONARY":

"Let me say, with the risk of appearing ridiculous, that the true revolutionary is guided by strong feelings of love. It is impossible to think of an authentic revolutionary without this quality. This is perhaps one of the great dramas of a leader; he must combine an impassioned spirit with a cold mind and make painful decision without flinching. Our vanguard revolutionaries must idealise their love for the people, for the most hallowed causes, and make it one and indivisible. They cannot descend, with small doses of daily affection, to the terrain where ordinary men put their love into practice."

Che Guevara

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AK

[Akyeame Kwame]

Originally Posted by RecoveringAA

Is useful for WE because it allows for the integration of SPIRITUAL re~alites when dealing with what WE dealing with.....least is what I see

On a Societal, Communal, Familial and Individual levels, Re~Voluntion, I imagine, is defined differently and therefore, the behaviors associated with same are different.

imo... hahahahahaha......you know what an opinion is like...hahahahahahahaahahahahahhaL )....and....



WE know what comes outta there......LMAO


thanks for allowing me to share

okay...i still need some clarity RecoveringAa...how does planets rotating relate to Afrikans getting together on societal communal etc. levels?

will astrology save Our people?

AK

[RecoveringAA]

Originally Posted by Akyeame_Kwame

okay...i still need some clarity RecoveringAa...how does planets rotating relate to Afrikans getting together on societal communal etc. levels?

will astrology save Our people?

AK

okkkkkkk.....let's seee......


I see the SPIRIT of Afrikans rotating...as if in a WHIRLWIND......and then...the Sh*t WILL "hit the fan" on a societal and communal level......sorta like the Re~Volution happening inside of me with every new story bout what's happening to US

when and if this happens....WE WILL SAVE OUR PEOPLE.......


this i see as BUILDING on the principals of astrology for that matter...or.....sorta a paralell(sp?) process if you will.....

[Akyeame Kwame]

Originally Posted by RecoveringAA

okkkkkkk.....let's seee......


I see the SPIRIT of Afrikans rotating...as if in a WHIRLWIND......and then...the Sh*t WILL "hit the fan" on a societal and communal level......sorta like the Re~Volution happening inside of me with every new story bout what's happening to US

when and if this happens....WE WILL SAVE OUR PEOPLE.......


this i see as BUILDING on the principals of astrology for that matter...or.....sorta a paralell(sp?) process if you will.....

okaaay...i think i follow...which actually scares me, somehow...


AK

[Akyeame Kwame]

so the question @ hand is What IS a Revolutionary???

AK

[RecoveringAA]

Originally Posted by Akyeame_Kwame

okaaay...i think i follow...which actually scares me, somehow...


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ummmmm interesting......i wonder why or what scares you?

Care to say more?

[Akyeame Kwame]

Originally Posted by RecoveringAA

ummmmm interesting......i wonder why or what scares you?

Care to say more?

cause what you are saying seems to make some sort of sense 2 me even though i'm not quite sure it should...okay...you're saying that the movement of the planet is related to social and communal activity? say this one mo' gin for me...


AK

[RecoveringAA]

First, I "see" "change" which equals "movement" happens on all levels. The levels I have identified again includes: Universal (SPIRITUAL), Societal (Political systems), Communal (community), Familial and Individual. I was taught and believe that "sh*t flows down". therefore, what happens on the "highest" level, Universal/Spiritual (and as you put it, planetarial) also happens on the other levels. Sort of like parellel processes. If change or movement is happening on the Spiritual level, this will also flow down to all other levels...."trickle down effect" (haha).

WE are a SPIRITUAL people first and foremost. When OUR Spirits unite, OUR Power grows and WE, on the other levels, will bring about the necessary changes to bring order back into the planet.

Not withstanding the BOTH/AND approach which is a necessary component for effective change. That be~ing the case, on an Individual level WE must make changes or go through a Re~volution. This, I believe, is manifested in OUR thought processes. "As a man thinketh so is he". Next, this must BE extended within OUR families. How WE deal with each other, the things WE think and therefore practice within this context MUST change or re~volt. I guess it's kinda like "starting with the man in the mirror...asking him to make a change". When one part of a system changes, the whole systemic dynamic changes.

I believe this process is active first on the Spiritual level and is what is causing so many of US to "wake up and smell the coffee".

OUR Spirits are Uniting towards an all out Re~volution.

The "weakest link" at this point appears to be within the Individual and therefore, familial and communal levels. On the Societal level, folks like those on this forum are actively involved in DO~ing what's necessary to bring about change...at least, they are focused more on this level. What is happening in their Individual, familial and community lives is another story....and the one where no one seems to want to address......sad, sad, sad....cause I believe WE need the both/and affect in motion to BE truly successful RE~voluntionaries......Re~voluntionaries on all levels....

This is also, probably why some have such a difficult time with OUR "leaders. Their Be~haviors are inconsistent.....say one thing yet DO something different....or "speaking" out of "both sides of thier face"...."straddling the fence".....being Afrikan/amerikkkan......

They taught me in school...to take a position and support it.....of course...this is easier said than done....because WE live OUR lives and are affected on more than just one level of BE~ing...and here-in lies the greatest challenge and possibly the "greatest blunder" WE continue to make.....many do not what to "Know themselves"....too busy pointing the finger and not paying attention to the three pointing back at them. hey......look at that....five fingers and toes....five levels.....ummmm...does the number five hold any other meaning. Now I'm rambling...so will stop.

CONSISTENCY.....CONSISTENCY.....CONSISTENCY.....an d

CONGRUENCY IN THOUGHT, FEELINGS AND BE~HAVIORS

make sense??


thanks for allowing me to share

[Daisho]

Confucius said, "The superior man has nine things which are subjects with him of thoughtful consideration. In regard to the use of his eyes, he is anxious to see clearly. In regard to the use of his ears, he is anxious to hear distinctly. In regard to his countenance, he is anxious that it should be benign. In regard to his speech, he is anxious that it should be sincere. In regard to his doing of business, he is anxious that it should be reverently careful. In regard to what he doubts about, he is anxious to question others. When he is angry, he thinks of the difficulties his anger may involve him in. When he sees gain to be got, he thinks of righteousness."


At the core exists what saves us all...If this does not rest at your center you change the world only in haste for glory and boastful pride. What would make you differ from your enemies?-Daisho



Lao Tzu concluded...

The best rulers are scarcely known by their subjects;
The next best are loved and praised;
The next are feared;
The next despised:
They have no faith in their subjects,
So their subjects become unfaithful to them.

When the best rulers acheive their purpose
Their subjects claim the acheivement as their own.

Revolutionaries do not abuse power or position over those they guide and help....The revolutionary is the Abbot Scholar...the warrior teacher.

[Akyeame Kwame]

Originally Posted by RecoveringAA

First, I "see" "change" which equals "movement" happens on all levels. The levels I have identified again includes: Universal (SPIRITUAL), Societal (Political systems), Communal (community), Familial and Individual. I was taught and believe that "sh*t flows down". therefore, what happens on the "highest" level, Universal/Spiritual (and as you put it, planetarial) also happens on the other levels. Sort of like parellel processes. If change or movement is happening on the Spiritual level, this will also flow down to all other levels...."trickle down effect" (haha).

WE are a SPIRITUAL people first and foremost. When OUR Spirits unite, OUR Power grows and WE, on the other levels, will bring about the necessary changes to bring order back into the planet.

Not withstanding the BOTH/AND approach which is a necessary component for effective change. That be~ing the case, on an Individual level WE must make changes or go through a Re~volution. This, I believe, is manifested in OUR thought processes. "As a man thinketh so is he". Next, this must BE extended within OUR families. How WE deal with each other, the things WE think and therefore practice within this context MUST change or re~volt. I guess it's kinda like "starting with the man in the mirror...asking him to make a change". When one part of a system changes, the whole systemic dynamic changes.

I believe this process is active first on the Spiritual level and is what is causing so many of US to "wake up and smell the coffee".

OUR Spirits are Uniting towards an all out Re~volution.

The "weakest link" at this point appears to be within the Individual and therefore, familial and communal levels. On the Societal level, folks like those on this forum are actively involved in DO~ing what's necessary to bring about change...at least, they are focused more on this level. What is happening in their Individual, familial and community lives is another story....and the one where no one seems to want to address......sad, sad, sad....cause I believe WE need the both/and affect in motion to BE truly successful RE~voluntionaries......Re~voluntionaries on all levels....

This is also, probably why some have such a difficult time with OUR "leaders. Their Be~haviors are inconsistent.....say one thing yet DO something different....or "speaking" out of "both sides of thier face"...."straddling the fence".....being Afrikan/amerikkkan......

They taught me in school...to take a position and support it.....of course...this is easier said than done....because WE live OUR lives and are affected on more than just one level of BE~ing...and here-in lies the greatest challenge and possibly the "greatest blunder" WE continue to make.....many do not what to "Know themselves"....too busy pointing the finger and not paying attention to the three pointing back at them. hey......look at that....five fingers and toes....five levels.....ummmm...does the number five hold any other meaning. Now I'm rambling...so will stop.

CONSISTENCY.....CONSISTENCY.....CONSISTENCY.....an d

CONGRUENCY IN THOUGHT, FEELINGS AND BE~HAVIORS

make sense??


thanks for allowing me to share

okay this makes sense...thx 4 sharing!

AK

[Akyeame Kwame]

Originally Posted by Daisho

Confucius said, "The superior man has nine things which are subjects with him of thoughtful consideration. In regard to the use of his eyes, he is anxious to see clearly. In regard to the use of his ears, he is anxious to hear distinctly. In regard to his countenance, he is anxious that it should be benign. In regard to his speech, he is anxious that it should be sincere. In regard to his doing of business, he is anxious that it should be reverently careful. In regard to what he doubts about, he is anxious to question others. When he is angry, he thinks of the difficulties his anger may involve him in. When he sees gain to be got, he thinks of righteousness."


At the core exists what saves us all...If this does not rest at your center you change the world only in haste for glory and boastful pride. What would make you differ from your enemies?-Daisho



Lao Tzu concluded...

The best rulers are scarcely known by their subjects;
The next best are loved and praised;
The next are feared;
The next despised:
They have no faith in their subjects,
So their subjects become unfaithful to them.

When the best rulers acheive their purpose
Their subjects claim the acheivement as their own.

Revolutionaries do not abuse power or position over those they guide and help....The revolutionary is the Abbot Scholar...the warrior teacher.

as always, a very BlackCellinsightful (or Asiansightful) post Daisho...thx for the perspectives offered...

AK