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07-10-2008
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| Honoring The Memory Of Our Ancestors
A portion of my family's genealogy was chronicled by my late cousin Houston D. Snowden, several times removed from myself as they say, which resulted in the book, From Whence Cometh being published in 1980. Cousin Houston documented five generations of our family through one of our ancestors. This book begins with an autobiography written by his great grandfather, John Baptist Snowden, born into slavery in 1801 in Maryland. The second part of the book is written by my cousin's grandfather. In the final part of the book, it was my cousin's intent, as he says in his own words, “.... to help the present generation know some of the highlights ....”, and in this attempt, he has included biographical sketches of his paternal grandparents and their children and grandchildren. My maternal grandfather and his nine brothers and sisters, listed in the book, provide the closest genealogical link spreading toward one of the branches of the family tree that leads to myself. This book, now out of print, was a gift to me from my late dear aunt, Aunt Pauline Elizabeth Jones, the eldest sister of my Mom, Mary Barbara, two years before my aunt's death. This book had always been a much treasured possession of my aunt's and when she gave it to me, I was honored she trusted me with one of her most precious belongings. In chapter one of the first portion of the book, John Baptist Snowden, one of my family's enslaved ancestors, in the first sentence identifies his maternal grandmother as an African woman from Guinea, stolen from the southwest coast of Africa around 1767 or 1768, named Sarah Minty Bannikee or Barrikee. She was sold upon her arrival in America in the state of Maryland, for a few hogshead of tobacco and renamed Sal. There is no information given about the two daughters fathered by the Englishman other than their names, Fannie Bannikee and Kate Bannikee. I was saddened to learn that although the book provides invaluable information about our family, the majority of the book documents the family members whose common ancestor was John Snowden, the only known grandparent on the paternal side of John Baptist Snowden's family. The first chapter is the only chapter that gives details about the only ancestor known to our family to have lived free in Africa. I am truly happy my cousin had devoted the years he did to create this historical document for our family. But, among myself and my cousins, when the book was discussed and mentioned, what caught my attention was the mention of the African woman that I heard was in the book. I recall the late fall afternoon, somewhat with shame, that my Aunt Pauline and her son, my first cousin Harold, were in my home in 1995. My best and closest friend, my Mom, had passed away after a brief illness and my aunt and cousin had dropped by to pay their respects and visit. I had not seen the book nor heard any details of the story of Aunt Sarah until that day during Aunt Pauline's visit. Aunt Pauline began to retell the story, about the relationship that identifies a white Englishman as the man who fathered Aunt Sarah's two daughters. Reminisces by Aunt Sarah's grandson tell of her delight in speaking of her home in Africa, its customs and beauty and her fine singing voice, causing those who heard her to, “...listen with breathless silence as if held by some magic power.” There is no information given about the two daughters fathered by the Englishman other than their names, Fannie Bannikee and Kate Bannikee. He also tells of her speaking with sadness and longing for her husband and son she lost when she was taken from her home in Guinea. She had a life before her enslavement here. In the book, the words of Ancestor John Baptist, the grandson of Aunt Sarah, describe that it was according to the “law of man” that the marriage of a white person to a colored one, as African people were called in those days, was illegal. Aunt Sarah's grandson describes that despite this reality, “....we believe they were man and wife, before God, united by bonds of love and affection....”. He also states that these same laws, however, " .... have nothing to say when the white man lives with his colored mistress and begets children which the law does not acknowledged as heirs." As I've stated, Aunt Pauline and Harold were over my house. Aunt Pauline was talking about the loving relationship that the man she called Uncle Thomas had with Aunt Sarah. It is unclear whether Thomas had purchased and claimed ownership of Aunt Sarah. I know I was deeply saddened, distraught and emotionally drained over Mom's death and my nerves were on edge but that does not excuse my behavior. I listened to my aunt speak about the love between Aunt Sarah and Uncle Thomas and how well he had treated Aunt Sarah, the things he gave her, going on and on and on. Before I even thought about it, I snapped at my aunt, asking if this white man had ever freed Aunt Sarah, saying if he hadn't done so, it seemed to me that he hadn't treated her that well. I'm still distressed years later for having spoken to my aunt in that manner but, my aunt knew me to be a plain speaker, as was she and my outburst did not harm our relationship. I cannot justify my behavior but, I would like to share my reasons for being so infuriated by my aunt's statements. There seems to be some sort of mental disconnect or illusionary, delusional process that occurs when we, in modern times, speak of or think about slavery. Maybe it is the inevitable exercise of those not of a period, imprinting concepts and motives on periods that could not have been and were not fully explored or chronicled by all involved. I am speaking of the concept of love. I have listened to a family of African descent here in the States and their family's hundreds of years old oral tradition that traces their family's descendants into the family of George Washington, one of the original so called founding fathers and the first president of the United States, with Washington having fathered a child with an enslaved African female known as Venus. The family has been attempting to document this link between themselves and the descendants of Washington through genetic testing. After it was acknowledged and reported in 1998, that DNA evidence appeared to show a genetic link to Thomas Jefferson and at least one of Sally Hemming's children but, most possibly all six of Sally Hemming's children may have been Thomas Jefferson's, the white descendants of Washington declined providing biological material for DNA analysis. When the stories of Sally Hemming and the family descended from Venus believing to share ancestry with Washington are told, accounts are spoken of, detailing the bonds that existed between these enslaved women and those who held them captive. The accounts include the mention of items that were owned or conditions that seemed to denote some form of privilege as indicators of affection shown to these enslaved women. I ask this question. Given all the possible outcomes that may have resulted in events that would have been disastrous for those women and any and all women of African descent, if they found themselves the object of some white slave holder or white man in general's advances and the women sought to reject the white man's advances, can the emotions or feelings of the enslaved women ever be truly known? As long as one individual in this alleged couple, the white slave holder in this supposed loving relationship, held the life and death of the other component of that couple in his hands, and that of all those in her circle she calls family and as long as he held the power to allow families and alliances to stay in tact, with the enslaved fearing being sold away, brutal punishment and any of a variety of known and unknown forms of actions, among those death, meant to assure the compliance of the enslaved woman to the advances of any white man, her responses or the responses of any enslaved African woman cannot be said to be that of freely given love and affection. I'll only address one reason that seems a clear, simple motive for actions on the part of the slave holder to provide better living quarters, furnishings or any perceived accommodations superior to others of the enslaved community, if any were actually provided for any enslaved woman of African descent who found herself in this unfortunate set of circumstances, and that reason is comfort. Consumed with carnal desire, giving no thought to any of the women's souls that shriek a silent scream each and every time he steals her most intimate embrace, Massa, or any of his visiting companions, strolls into the quarter to have their way with whomever they choose to violate whenever the occasion suits him. It makes sense he wouldn't want to lie on that piece of burlap sack stuffed with straw or corn husks, used as a bed by the enslaved. He wouldn't care to sit on the bare ground in the dust. Any number of conditions including, the cold, biting wind, endured by the enslaved, as it whistled through the gaping holes between the logs or boards of the small structure where he finds his intended victim, would not be to the liking of any white man that showed up to claim from one of his assumed possessions that which she possessed. In December 2000, the US National Archives and Records Administration, announced that in observance of Black History Month in 2001, it would display two documents that showed payment made to men identified as the owners of enslaved men of African descent known only as Tom, Peter, Ben, Harry and Negro Dick. Two of these men were said to be owned by the architect of the President's house in Washington D.C. Much was made of the fact that no placard or document honored these individuals' participation in what is considered in some circles an important and major event, questioning the omission of these persons role in an event that shows the involvement of members of our race, side by side with others, helping to build the nation's capitol. If we, as African people, thought for a few minutes about the circumstances under which we labored as enslaved people, there would not have been a need to ask why nor would there have been any confusion about why we were not acknowledged. The majority of people of African descent that lived and died for centuries in the United States were considered, by those who called themselves slave holders and to the rest of the nation and the world, livestock property. Once one wraps their mind around this reality, it becomes foolish to think African people would be acknowledged or recognized through some special commendation for their part in building anything in this country as an enslaved people. Does anyone expect to see all the names of the horses, mules, oxen or any other form of livestock that may have been used while building anything in the United States listed in some place of honor? Of course not! And it is for this reason, it is beyond rational comprehension for those of us who live in the present to look back into the past, into an institution that denied African people their humanity, during the most brutal, dehumanizing reality of our existence and interject, in the majority of cases, fabricated love stories between those who were enslaved and were believed to be livestock and property of those who bedded them, to be used as any personal possession would be used, solely for the owner's pleasure and amusement.  |
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What I dont understand, and maybe you can help me with this... is why Black People are so STUCK IN CHRISTIANITY. If we who have slave ancestory in the wilderness hell of North America all go back into our geneologies, we are going to find an ISLAMIC ANCESTORY. We are going to find that our ancestors were Muslim. However, most of us reject that which we descended from. I'd appreciate your comments, sister. |
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08-10-2009
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What I don't understand is why some black reject one slave religion (ie. Christianity) for the NEXT CLOSEST ONE (ie. Islam). I mean, Islam also played a role in the African Holocaust and the small percentage of slaves that where Muslims, were forced into Islam by their pale Arabian conquerors. They justified enslaving Africans for not being Muslims. So my question is, why are black people in this hell hole they call America so stuck on Abrahamic religions in general? We are much more than just descendants of Abraham and traditions based off of him. We are descended of the original people of the planet. We created many religions, not just Judaism and everything that branches off from it. Don't get me wrong, we did create those even though they have been stolen from us and twisted to enslave Africans, but why are black people so scared to acknowledge that their ancestors probably practiced something closer along the lines of Vodoun?
__________________ The Most Honorable Joopjoop |
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i agree 100% with Joop. But also adding to what joop said, Religion is not benefiting us right now so why do we still practice it? I believe its time to move on, we are at war, we need to constantly evolve, religion in any of its manifestation is not needed right now. Islam and Christianity are slave religions . N.O.I is pathetic. the enemy is not paying attention to the organization! that means its not a threat to the white supremacist capitalist system and thus useless. Its benefits for the black community ended long ago and has started to damage us. N.O.I became a cancer when they killed out leader Malcolm X because it was no longer about the people but about power. The death of Malcolm was the death of part of our struggle. You think its a coincidence that blacks are drowned in religion? its not! its used to distract us, put down that koran and pick up a book on how to organize and take back our hoods. We need to stop worrying about after lives and outer space and start worrying about our people now. Religion is the opium of our people and N.O.I is a waste of time and it operates like a religious mob, its sickening actually that they are willing to kill black power supporters just because they point out flaws in the N.O.I ways and beliefs(They did it to Malcolm and they also threatened Seti and im sure there are more individuals we dont know about). That shows they dont care for the people and we cannot have that. We need to take back our communities from drug dealers, gangs, take back our real-estate (and patrol the police) and any N.O.I mosque (yes, its that bad). When the enemy makes a great effort to destroy one of our organizations, thats when you know its doing something right. I wouldnt have a grudge against the N.O.I if it didnt function like a mob family. I know religion cant be eradicated so i believe compromising is important, leave religion out of our movements, organization, clandestine armies and it should be an individual thing, It should not be the center of a struggle. Conclusion: N.O.I is useless and all its good for right now is for it to give up its member to a more effective organization (Which doesnt exist at the moment). |
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I think any movement based only on how spiritual we are will eventually end up counter-revolutionary and will focus on issues that are a major distraction from stuff that actually matters. You end up with people looking for UFO's, angels or some messiah figure to save them instead of them actually working for revolution. In reality this revolution will have people of all religions, even ones that we personally may not like, but its a waste of time trying to convert them. Maybe you should present them with a radical, pro-black form of their own religion. Other than that, religion should stay personal and out of our organizing, because it is a distraction. I'm tired of seeing Black Hebrew Israelites and Kemetians argue over if the Exodus actually happened. That stuff is so irrelevant to our current situation and at the end of the day we have the same enemy. I applaud this brave man for calling out the NOI for their bullshit, even though he himself is a part of the organization, and his life was threatened.
__________________ The Most Honorable Joopjoop |
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That depends on "what Islam" you are talking about... The Arabs no doubt played a MAJOR ROLE in the enslavement of Afrikan people, but the teachings of The Honorable Elijah Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) are Black Nationalist and focused on the Liberation of our people. On the other hand, it is often said that "politics and religion make strange bedfellows." I have heard it said in the past that The Lost-Found Nation of Islam, under the leadership of The Most Honorable Silis Muhammad, may or MAY NOT be a religion in the future. And this is only because of what you point out as concerns the GREAT DIFFICULTY Black People have in getting on the same page with ONE RELIGION. ---------- Post added at 09:45 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:18 AM ---------- Quote:
I. Christianity and so-called orthodox Islam are SLAVE-MAKING RELIGIONS. It is important to make that distinction from The Lost-Found Nation of Islam to avoid confusion; II. The Most Honorable Silis Muhammad has been going to the U.N. since the 1990's. You dont think the government of these (White) Devils is WATCHING HIM AND THE LOST-FOUND NATION OF ISLAM UNDER HIM CLOSELY??? You seem to have alot of ANIMOSITY toward The Lost-Found Nation of Islam due to Malcolm. Have you ever read Malcolm's autobiography??? The Lost-Found Nation of Islam DID NOT KILL MALCOLM X. Malcolm was a victim of the COINTELPRO. You are EXTREMELY UNINFORMED on your assumptions about his death, sir; III. Religion has ALWAYS BEEN A TOOL of the Devil that has been used as a CONTROL MEASURE. It is up to us as a people to analyze him and understand his objectives in order to Liberate ourselves in full; IV. In terms of Minister Farrakhan, I'm sure he probably has a "mob atmosphere." But can you TRUTHFULLY say the same thing about The Most Honorable Silis Muhammad??? Now, iI fully agree with you on the fact that we need to take our communities back from drug dealers, gangs, criminal organizatios, etc. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him)) said that YOU SHOULD MAKE YOUR COMMUNITIES A DECENT PLACE TO LIVE; V. We of the Nation of Islam under The Most Honorable Silis Muhmmad ARE NOT A RELIGIOUS MOB. VI. The NOI under The Most Honorable Silis Muhammad is the only organization fighting for the National Sovereignty and Independence of Black People... IS THAT USELESS TO YOU???; and VII. The struggle continues. |
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Black people don't need one religion. We should be able to love each other without religion coming into the equation. And I know that the Islam of N.O.I. and N.G.E. are not traditional Islam. But how can you say all of our ancestors of Islamic? No matter what supream knowledge N.O.I. claim to have, their traditions are POST-Islamic with heavy Islamic and Arabic influences. Few of our enslaved ancestors were actually Muslim, some Hebrew and most were practicing Vodoun, Palo, Yoruba and things like that. What Islam are you talking about? As far as I am concerned, before the prophet Muhammad, there was no Islam. Anything that claims all of our ancestors were Islamic is ridiculous, because most of our traditions predate Islam. And you can't take those ancient traditions and brand them as some new "Islam" because thats not what it is. The Quran is a late piece of work, that is in no way the sum of our ancestors spirituality. And also the N.O.I. has destroyed Black Nationalism by assassinating some of our leaders and silencing their critics. Look at the videos I posted above. They tried to kill Kwame Ture's son, and this is his testimony. In my opinion, an organization like that needs to be taken out. ---------- Post added at 11:52 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:48 AM ---------- Quote:
Who is to say N.O.I. and COINTELPRO were not working to take out a common enemy? You need to think outside of your normal square of awareness. How do you explain the speech above?
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I dont have headphones, so I cant listen to it. But my square of awareness is not normal. Bear with me a minute, brother, and I'm going to explain this to you. But first of all, I want you to understand that I AM NOT A FARRAKHAN FOLLOWER, and that I AM NOT in The Nation under him. I. The COINTELPRO began in 1950 under J. Edgar Hoover. Its initial focus was communist sympathizers in the U.S. government, ( in my humble opinion COINTELPRO was devised from lessons learned by the FBI in its counter-subversion effort against Marcus Garvey.) II. COINTELPRO changed its focus after the 1954 Brown v. Board of Edu. decision by the U.S. Supreme Court to the Civil Rights Movement; (This goes to show that anything having to do with Independence or Equality, the white man has always deemed it SUBVERSIVE.); III. Before the Black Panther Party emerged in 1966, COINTELPRO already had PENETRATION AGENTS inside The Lost-Found Nation of Islam. What is a "penetration agent?" a. S/he is a member of the target organization, or one sent to infiltrate that organization; b. S/he is the "perfect member" of the organization who attains rank and authority; and c. The mission is that of obstruction. IV. Malcolm made a comment on the Kennedy assassnation that was UNAUTHORIZED by The Nation. (I know you think of Malcolm as a leader, but, WHO TAUGHT MALCOLM? No credit is ever given to The Honorable Elijah Muhammad (PBUH), without whom Malcolm would have just been "antoher ni**er" in Boston we never heard of.) It was UNAUTHORIZED because Malcolm was The National Representative of THEM (PBUH), and THEM (PBUH) did not tell him to say: "The chickens finally came home to roost." It was because of this comment that THEM (PBUH) put Malcolm on silence. Malcolm left The Nation on HIS OWN ACCORD. If there was a so-called split between Malcolm and The Nation, it was Malcolm's PERSONAL CHOICE; V. Having left The Nation to basically become an Orthodox Muslim, Malcolm travelled Africa and came across the CIA, who were watching him and reporting on him; VI. A PENETRATION AGENT of high rank in The Nation gave the order to kill Malcolm. The Hon. Elijah Muhammad (PBUH) gave instruction not to harm Malcolm. Several brothers who were actual members of The Nation carried the assassination order out, acting as UNWITTING AGENTS of the COINTELPRO in the process. It therefore APPEARS THAT THE NATION killed Malcolm when we didnt kill him at all; VII. The result of this COINTELPRO operation was that Malcolm was dead... (J. Edgar Hoover is on record as HAVING A FEAR OF THE RISE OF A BLACK MESSIAH.)... and that the Black community was angered with The Nation over his death. This means that the government SUBVERTED US AS A PEOPLE by creating division in the Black community over the issue of Malcolm X. This line of thinking is outside "the normal square" of most. But all you have to do is gain an understanding of how the government plays the intelligence, security & Subversion game. They did the same thing to the BPP. All you have to do is look at your way of thinking toward The Nation, look at your "feelings" toward and comments about Malcolm, and it all bears out what I just said. This Devil has us so angry with each other over an incident that is more than 50 years old, that WE STILL CANNOT UNITE. I'd say they did a real good job. The question is, now that we understand this are we going to allow ourselves to continue to be duped by it ??? The Nation has NEVER BEEN PRO U.S. GOVERNMENT, and The Hon. Elijah Muhammad (PBUH) would not need Devils to help him if he did have a problem. YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT Allah (God) does not enlist the help of The Devil. ---------- Post added at 11:47 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:23 AM ---------- Quote:
Louis Farrakhan IS A TOM. Louis Farrakhan IS AN IMPOSTER. Louis Farrakhan IS A HYPOCRITE to the very teachings he claims to represent, because The Hon. Elijah Muhammad (PBUH) taught BLACK NATIONALISM. With Farrakhan having the purpose of "killing Black Nationalism," he has the purpose of killing YOU & ME to promote "the Universal Message of Islam," which means so-called orthodox Islam and INTEGRATION with the United States of America. ---------- Post added at 11:57 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:47 AM ---------- In 1993, The Most Honorable Silis Muhammad published an article in Muhammad Speaks newspaper that identified Louis Farrakhan as the 2nd Beast in the book of Revelation. Two of Farrakhan's followers went to the private residence of The Most Hon. Silis Muhammd armed with (hand) guns and invaded Mr. Muhammad's home. The late Jeremiah Shabazz, a highly respected and well known minister under The Hon. Elijah Muhammad (PBUH), was preaent as a guest of Mr. Muhammad and asked the invaders what they thought they were doing. The invaders stood down. But, they told Mr. Muhammad before they left that if He continued to call Minister Farrakhan The Beast, they would return and kill Him. WE KNOW ABOUT MINISTER FARRAKHAN... What do you know about The Nation outside of Farrakhan ??? Last edited by Mordecai_7; 08-11-2009 at 03:01 PM. Reason: , |
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please dont send a hitmen after me because of my tendency to point out flaws in power hungry organizations like NOI. Quote:
NOI = unproductive at this moment and even counter-revolutionary. NOI is at the same level of all oppressive religions that lack common sense, dont act like its the exception because that attitude is found in members of all religions. Quote:
COINTELPRO stepped it up after the creation of The Black Panther Party (peacebe Upon them). The BPP took Malcolm's legacy to the next level, they were efficient and were making progress which is why the FBI went after them and destroyed the organization (they decided to throw other organizations in while they were at it but the BPP was the main target). You think you gonna be a threat to the U.S and they are gonna let your organization survive without a fight? NOI is a religious cult, nothing more. Like Joop said, NOI probably worked with the FBI Quote:
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If the founder is full of shit so are all the other honorables. Quote:
Black Panther Party The Ten Point Plan 1. WE WANT FREEDOM. WE WANT POWER TO DETERMINE THE DESTINY OF OUR BLACK AND OPPRESSED COMMUNITIES. We believe that Black and oppressed people will not be free until we are able to determine our destinies in our own communities ourselves, by fully controlling all the institutions which exist in our communities. 2. WE WANT FULL EMPLOYMENT FOR OUR PEOPLE. We believe that the federal government is responsible and obligated to give every person employment or a guaranteed income. We believe that if the American businessmen will not give full employment, then the technology and means of production should be taken from the businessmen and placed in the community so that the people of the community can organize and employ all of its people and give a high standard of living. 3. WE WANT AN END TO THE ROBBERY BY THE CAPITALISTS OF OUR BLACK AND OPPRESSED COMMUNITIES. We believe that this racist government has robbed us and now we are demanding the overdue debt of forty acres and two mules. Forty acres and two mules were promised 100 years ago as restitution for slave labor and mass murder of Black people. We will accept the payment in currency which will be distributed to our many communities. The American racist has taken part in the slaughter of our fifty million Black people. Therefore, we feel this is a modest demand that we make. 4. WE WANT DECENT HOUSING, FIT FOR THE SHELTER OF HUMAN BEINGS. We believe that if the landlords will not give decent housing to our Black and oppressed communities, then housing and the land should be made into cooperatives so that the people in our communities, with government aid, can build and make decent housing for the people. 5. WE WANT DECENT EDUCATION FOR OUR PEOPLE THAT EXPOSES THE TRUE NATURE OF THIS DECADENT AMERICAN SOCIETY. WE WANT EDUCATION THAT TEACHES US OUR TRUE HISTORY AND OUR ROLE IN THE PRESENT-DAY SOCIETY. We believe in an educational system that will give to our people a knowledge of the self. If you do not have knowledge of yourself and your position in the society and in the world, then you will have little chance to know anything else. 6. WE WANT COMPLETELY FREE HEALTH CARE FOR All BLACK AND OPPRESSED PEOPLE. We believe that the government must provide, free of charge, for the people, health facilities which will not only treat our illnesses, most of which have come about as a result of our oppression, but which will also develop preventive medical programs to guarantee our future survival. We believe that mass health education and research programs must be developed to give all Black and oppressed people access to advanced scientific and medical information, so we may provide our selves with proper medical attention and care. 7. WE WANT AN IMMEDIATE END TO POLICE BRUTALITY AND MURDER OF BLACK PEOPLE, OTHER PEOPLE OF COLOR, All OPPRESSED PEOPLE INSIDE THE UNITED STATES. We believe that the racist and fascist government of the United States uses its domestic enforcement agencies to carry out its program of oppression against black people, other people of color and poor people inside the united States. We believe it is our right, therefore, to defend ourselves against such armed forces and that all Black and oppressed people should be armed for self defense of our homes and communities against these fascist police forces. 8. WE WANT AN IMMEDIATE END TO ALL WARS OF AGGRESSION. We believe that the various conflicts which exist around the world stem directly from the aggressive desire of the United States ruling circle and government to force its domination upon the oppressed people of the world. We believe that if the United States government or its lackeys do not cease these aggressive wars it is the right of the people to defend themselves by any means necessary against their aggressors. 9. WE WANT FREEDOM FOR ALL BLACK AND OPPRESSED PEOPLE NOW HELD IN U. S. FEDERAL, STATE, COUNTY, CITY AND MILITARY PRISONS AND JAILS. WE WANT TRIALS BY A JURY OF PEERS FOR All PERSONS CHARGED WITH SO-CALLED CRIMES UNDER THE LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY. We believe that the many Black and poor oppressed people now held in United States prisons and jails have not received fair and impartial trials under a racist and fascist judicial system and should be free from incarceration. We believe in the ultimate elimination of all wretched, inhuman penal institutions, because the masses of men and women imprisoned inside the United States or by the United States military are the victims of oppressive conditions which are the real cause of their imprisonment. We believe that when persons are brought to trial they must be guaranteed, by the United States, juries of their peers, attorneys of their choice and freedom from imprisonment while awaiting trial. 10. WE WANT LAND, BREAD, HOUSING, EDUCATION, CLOTHING, JUSTICE, PEACE AND PEOPLE'S COMMUNITY CONTROL OF MODERN TECHNOLOGY. When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that, whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and, accordingly, all experience hath shown that mankind are most disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But, when a long train of abuses and usurpation, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. http://www.blackpanther.org/TenPoint.htm The BPP walked the walk, they werent concerned with religion and conspiracies like the NOI...you know why? BECAUSE ITS A WASTE OF TIME! Quote:
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What is Nation of Islam doing now? All they do is spew hatred! We dont need all that "white devil this and that". We need love for our people , name community programs being run by the NOI. Are they protecting the community? Do they have free breakfast for the kids? Are they patrolling their community to fight police brutality? are they educating the people? or filling them with hate? So i ask you again, WHAT actions is the NOI taking NOW to repair the collective black mind? (Please answer the questions above) If NOI was doing something for Blacks you will see the U.S Gov't try to eliminate the organization....anywayyss.... NOI is useless and hate filled. Quote:
NOI doesnt care about the people! They care about power and money. TO PEOPLE READING THIS POST: Please understand that we need to focus on things that MATTER, The kids, our community! we need to start by repairing the mind of our people! forget about SPACE and all the bullshit the NOI teaches. NOI cant stop the black power movement! Fuck Elija! NOI Terrorizes black communities! NOI even has Black intellectuals afraid to speak up. Black people WAKE UP TO THESE COUNTER-REVOLUTIONARIES! Get outta here with that space ship bull shit and that whole "Black scientist created white people" wtf. I wouldnt hate the NOI so much if they didnt police the liberation movement. How can you tell a soldier for the people like Seti "You will end up like Malcolm" cmon now. |
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Also if Elijah was so honorable, divine and supreme you think that he wouldn't pick Farrakhan, or the '2nd Beast of Revelations' as you call him, for his damn representative and close lapdog. And lastly, the teachings from the 120 Lessons are inaccurate and outdated, and sometimes they are just stupid as hell. They are of no real use to black people now. A book by Assata Shakur, George Jackson, Huey Newton, Stokely Carmichael, Malcolm X and many of our other warriors are way more valuable than anything found in the Quran and the 120 Lessons.
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Peace Mordecai, Yes, Elijah taught Malcolm. What he also learned was the capability of exercising objective self-criticism and this is how he came to the conclusion that the NOI was not a revolutionary organization(mind you Malcolm was for revolutionary change). If Elijah was a true teacher he would be proud of his student learning to apply self-criticism but instead he got jealous of Malcolm having more influence then he at this time. Malcolm X unlike Elijah Muhammad was a true leader because of this quality of self-criticism. Quote:
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The Messenger said MANY TIMES that he knew he was surrounded by HYPOCRITES, even in his own family. His (physical) son Warith was the 1st Beast of Revelation, so Farrakhan being THEM's national rep. really has no bearing on his honor. But this is why I asked you from the beginning if you had ever read Malcolm's autobiography... In his own words, Malcolm began by saying what you are echoing, that The Nation & The Messenger were trying to kill him. But then, Malcolm comes to a point where he says: Alot of strange things have been happening lately. Things that the nation are not capable of, I know because I trained those brothers myself. So I think I'm going to STOP SAYING THAT THE NATION IS TRYING TO KILL ME. So, brother, why is it that you are so clear on what The Nation ALLEGEDLY did to Malcolm and so oblivious to the exoneration Malcolm gave The Nation & The Last & Greatest Messenger of Allah, IN HIS OWN WORDS ??? As I said before, the COINTELPRO did a "good job" in dividing us as a people over the issue of Malcolm, because there are many brothers who still hold your exact sentiments without realizing how we have been duped as a people by the U.S. Government. The result is that discussions like this continue 50 years later without us as a people being able to organize and unite, and move forward. I've never heard of the 120 lessons, so I do not know what you are talking about there. That might be some 5%er literature, or United Nation of Islam, none of which has to do with The Nation. As for literature, I've read Soledad Brother, Blood In My Eye, Revolutionary Suicide and Malcolms autobiography. EVERYTHING HAS ITS PLACE AND TIME. But my question to you is... how long are you going to let your REAL ENEMY fool you into remaining stagnant, in a state of DISUNITY with your own kind ??? ---------- Post added at 10:11 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:59 AM ---------- Quote:
How do we define REVOLUTION ??? The Nation had always been a Black Nationalist organization under THEM (PBUH). Did it advocate VIOLENT CONFRONTATION ??? No, it did not. And why not ??? Because THEM (PBUH) said: It would be beyond the foolhardy to fight the devil with weapons, because WE DONT EVEN OWN AS MUCH AS A FIRECRACKER FACTORY. This is why Malcolm was wrong to brandish firearms, because Muslims do not carry them if they are being TRUE TO THE TEACHINGS. We do not need them. We only need our UNITY. Now, having said that... I am a reader of Sun Tzu, and Sun Tzu makes a point of telling us that the optimum in The Art of War is to defeat your enemy without firing a shot. I know this can be done if the 40-millinof us here in the wilderness hell of North America can come together IN FULL UNITY. Our UNITY IS MORE POWRFUL THAN AN ATOM BOMB, so said THEM (PBUH). Revolution is CHANGE. It doesnt matter how that change comes about as long as it comes... ---------- Post added at 11:02 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:11 AM ---------- Quote:
First of all, I dont kill my own kind... not over a difference of opinion; not over insults or disrespect to what I'm trying to convey; NOT OVER ANYTHING. Black people have a bad habit of using VIOLENCE over INTELLECT. You are entitled to your opinions and your beliefs. Hopefully, we can one day find some "common ground" to stand on IN UNITY. The Islam of the Arabs IS NOT the Islam as taught by THEM (PBUH). This New Islam has no history of making Black people into slaves, and its efforts to Liberate us as a people are constantly being undermined. I might concur---UNPRODUCTIVE, at the moment. COUNTERREVOLUTIONARY, no. Black Nationalism IS NOT CR. (I dont care what Farrakhan is doing or not doing because my concern is The Lost-Found Nation of Islam under The Most Hon. Silis Muhammad.) The Hon. Elijah Muhammad (PBUH) TAUGHT BLACK NATIONALISM. (Where do you think Huey P. Newton and Bobby Seale got the format for the 10-point program???) So, you equate "the attitudes" of members of all religions as lacking "common sense" because they do not realize they are being oppressed by it ??? That is your opinion... it has nothing to do with the LIBERATION we are working for through the U.N. And before you critize that, remember that DIPLOMACY HAS ITS PLACE IN THE ART OF WAR. I will look at the videos in due course... What do you mean the BPP took Malcolms legacy to the next level ??? YOU MUST BE KIDDING. Were you around back then ??? You cant tell me anything about that, brother, because I WAS THERE. No, they didnt do that... and if you insist, I will give you a history lesson later--eyewitness account. I can tell you alot YOU DO NOT KNOW. Are you from the BPP or the NBPP ??? If you are from the old BPP, we can discuss things on that level. I've been a DEVOUT & ARDENT COMMUNIST in my life, and I saw first hand, and sometimes even second hand, how our former Comrades did not practicewhat they preached. Does that make The Party any less revolutionary to me, no it does not. Why ??? Because the bad acts of the few do not undermine the good acts of the many. You sholud have the same attitude, brother. I would never be so foolish as to think that any Black organization that represents a threat to the U.S. is not going to be in for a fight. The question is, when the fight comes, DO YOU HAVE MY BACK, AND DO I HAVE YOURS ??? Right now, I wouldnt bet that you have mine... NOI a cult... your opinion. What Joop said is alot different from WHAT I KNOW. The Devil (White Race) is what you know I'm talking about. Why be sarcastic ??? I've read economics, politics, government, military theory, and even some philosophy. There isnt much I havent studied in preparation for what has to be done. Little girls, huh... you are not the first to malign the name of THEM (PBUH), and you will not be the last. If THEM (PBUH) was full of s**t, as you say then so was Malcolm, unless he was something less than honorable in your view. In any event, I'd like to keep this discussion INTELLIGENT. That is something we should do if you are are ACTUALLY ABOUT UNITY. But, the COITELPRO is not going tolet that happen because we as a people are still allowing ourselves to be victimized by it. I USED TO SELL THE BLACK PANTHER IN 1969. You think you are introducing something new to me ??? You should read my introduction to this site. I've lived this, brother. I've lived it a long time... You say The Party wasnt concerned with conspiracies, you're probably right, that's why the FBI was able to play Ron Karenga and his United Slaves against The Party with a "provocation" that resulted in the death's of Comrade Alprintice "Bunchy" Carter and Comrade John Huggins at UCLA. WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TALKING TO, Brother ??? I have alot to criticize The Party about, but I am not going to do that because it is COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. I could say with the same brazen manner that you have used that The Party probably worked with the FBI to kill these brothers, but that would not be the truth because I have taken the time to learn the TRUTH. You should do the same thing instead of just "believing Malcolm." In any event, my ultimate hope is THE FULL UNITY OF THE BLACK MAN, WOMAN AND CHILD HERE IN THE WILDERNESS HELL OF NORTH AMERICA. When I speak of the NOI, I speak of it under the leadership of The Most Hon. Silis Muhammad. NOI under Him is doing nothing right now, except going to the U.N. Do we say the White man is the Devil, of course we do. Is that a "matter of HATE or a matter of TRUTH ???" Do you love White pople, brother ??? Do you love your OPPRESSER ??? NOI under Mr. Muhammad is not in the community, at this time. The BPP is not doing much right now either, and The (White) Devil Establishment is not trying to eliminate you again, like they did in 1970-71. You are not a threat anymore that The Nation, so what is your REAL BEEF... Malcolm ??? I know, just like you do. NOI under Minister Farrakhan is trying to kill The Black Power Movement. You blame The Hon. Elijah Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) for the actions of Minister Farrakahn when THEM (PBUH) taught Black Nationalism. This is because you are not able to make a mental distinction between what the true teachings are and what Minister Farrakhan's HYPOCRISY to those teachings is. Whatever Farrakhan's people told this Brother Seti, I do not know because I havent been aware that there was that kind of problem until now, but Farrakhan himself is a LOVER OF WHITE PEOPLE & THE WHITE ESTABLISHMENT. Farrakhan IS NOT A REVOLUTIONARY. And if you did an FOIA request on Louis Walcott, you just might turn up something, and you might not. In any event, WE ALL NEED EACH OTHER. White man has you so messed up mentally you are ready to kill your own kind; ready to do the White Devil's work for him, and YOU CALL YOURSELF A BLACK REVOLUTIONARY. You need to reealuate your own mindset, because you are sounding PRO-WHITE ESTABLISHMENT to me right now, Comrade. COINTELPRO is still being HIGHLY EFFECTIVE. ---------- Post added at 11:46 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:02 AM ---------- Quote:
Minister Abdul Haleem (Louis) Farrakhan aka. Louis Walcott, DOES NOT REPRESENT ME; DOES NOT REPRESENT REPRESENT MY VIEWS ON ISLAM OR THE TEACHINGS OF THE HON. ELIJAH NUHAMMAD (PBUH); AND IS NOT MY LEADER... ---------- Post added at 11:50 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:46 AM ---------- If Louis Farrakhan is trying to destroy BLACK NATIONALISM, then he is not only trying to destroy YOU & ME, he is also trying to destroy the teachings of The Hon. Elijah Muhammad (PBUH), the same teachings Farrakhan FALSELY CLAIMS TO REPRESENT... ---------- Post added at 12:04 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:50 AM ---------- Quote:
Malcolm wasnt "more revolutionary" than THEM (PBUH). Malcolm was MORE WILLING TO USE THE FORCE OF ARMS AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT, because he had no vision beyond that. |
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Our worse enemy is the house negro and i wouldnt hesitate to decapitate him with my bare hands. Also, there is no room for pacifism, we have been pacifists for too long. The Most Honorable Mao: "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun" Quote:
Religion is primitive but to each its own, i just believe it should not have anything to do with an organization, understand that it is counter productive. Quote:
I could only imagine the NOI version of the 10 point program.LMAO "All praise must be to allah and Elija". The 10 point program has nothing to do with religious fallacy. It has many influences..very Maoist... But this is the NOI's position on race: Nation of Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Its just ridiculous, its not even intelligent. Quote:
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NOI are religious extremists and Black Supremacists which in turn = COUNTER-Revolutionary Huey and Bobby were followers of Malcolm X NOI member are servants of ALLAH. And Pan-African Marxists are servants of the people. Quote:
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A religious communist LOL that is soo funny Here are some words from Marx. ... Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d'honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion. Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo. Criticism has plucked the imaginary flowers on the chain not in order that man shall continue to bear that chain without fantasy or consolation, but so that he shall throw off the chain and pluck the living flower. The criticism of religion disillusions man, so that he will think, act, and fashion his reality like a man who has discarded his illusions and regained his senses, so that he will move around himself as his own true Sun. . . Quote:
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I love black people. Working with whites is important for the ultimate goal of a country-wide socialist revolution. Whites should work in their OWN community to tear down racist institution if THEY WANT TO HELP because we should maintain our ALL Black membership. That means Black Organizations should work with white ones not hate them. Whites have white privilege but that doesnt make them all "the oppressor". We will repair the collective black consciousness and raise our peoples confidence. The 10 point program is our demands. You cannot fight white supremacy with black supremacy. The difference between me and you is this I love BLACK PEOPLE (Thats my foundation) YOU HATE WHITE PEOPLE (thats your foundation) Quote:
umm... UN = White establishment..................... Looks like you are accusing me of something you admit your organization is doing. LOL You are working with "The White Devils" lol@ the UN. P.S Doesnt the (White) Devil represent evil and deceit? but you want to go to their precious UN? I am....a Pan-African Marxist. CONCLUSION: The worship of People calling them "Honorable" and shit and worshiping imaginary entities is COUNTER PRODUCTIVE to incorporate into an organization. NOI = a Black Supremacist, Religious extremist counter-revolutionary MOB that is feared in the Black Intellectual community...Must be put to an end but since that in impossible... they must be viewed as HOUSE Negroes. |
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What you are asking for is blind uncritical dogmatic followers for the sake of "UNITY" this gets us nowhere and allows us to be duped by false leaders looking for power and lets them sway us with their messianic rhetoric, only giving up our power (mind you black/indigenous people have been powerless for 500/600 some odd years!) and hope towards one man, and if that one man fails. WHAT THEN!??!?! Revolution calls for criticism and reexamination in order to ensure that our movement and organizations are efficient and strong. When we truly question the faults in our movement is when we truly move ahead. If no one in our organizations and movements cant point out the out faults and etc., who else do you expect to, out enemies??? I for one am NOT willing to abandon criticism for false "unity", because this unity is based on a weak chain of hiding our true opinions from one another and not engaging in dialogue of where our faults lie, and then correcting them. If you hide your true opinions from your own people for the sake of "unity" your no better or deceitful then the same "devils" you hate. Blind following is reserved for fascists who follow without question. The same is required of movements based on religion abandon all logic and reasoning and rely on dogmas. This quality of critiquing yourself is what separates revolutionaries from reactionaries. and Apparently Elijah Muhammad says not to fight "the devil" with weapons but yet he advocates violence towards other black intellectuals. So do the other countless factions/sects that have derived from the NOI. Quote:
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My family on my mothers side are all PAN-AFRIKAN MARXISTS. My cousin gave me the definition of a NEGRO from the Pan-Afrikan perspective probably before you were born, and your use of that word is not consistent with the TRUE definiton I received from A REAL PAN-AFRIKAN MARXIST. My family is everything you think you are. Pan-Arfikanism incorporates all of Arfikan heritage and descent. YOU DO NOT LOVE BLACK PEOPLE like you think you do, because the COINTELPRO has you brainwashed into a desire to kill a (Black) Muslim based on specific biases that have become personal to you . The crack dealer in your neighborhood is more counter-productive and more counter-revolutionary than anyone in the NOI, and the crack dealer still prospers in your neighborhood yet, you want to kill another Black man because you do not like his religion, or the fact that he has NO LOVE for his OPEN ENEMY. Hmmm... ---------- Post added at 10:45 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:36 AM ---------- I am really not into name calling, so I would appreciate it if you would refrain from that... if you are actually CIVILIZED & RESPECTFUL. I have never called you or anyone in The Party a "coward," or anything else that is inappropriate to civil dialogue. If I just wanted to argue, there is alot of material you provided to argue over, but is not about arguing. It is about attempting to build a bridge of understanding between us because a day is going to come when you are going to need me, and I am going to need you. Comrade Angela Davis wrote of this day. She called her book: IF THEY COME IN THE MORNING. If you insist on being unintelligent and unenlightened, that is your personal choice, but YOU ARE NOT GONG TO SURVIVE ANYMORE THAN I AM if we as a people continue to deal with eah other as we do all over this site... |
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