42 Principles of Ma'at

[Kweku_Omowale]

blacknificent akyeame, well... recovering AA, we dont reconcile the greek stuff,everyhting they learnt from the kemetic peoples and applied to their own,calling greek philosophy,read the book called stolen legacy by the guyanese professor,good book and will tell you a lots about,i bet warrior princess,kemetic stuff or teachings are way older than islam since kemetic science dates back to 10 000 years b.c.e( islam didnt exist back them) and yes! islam does not account the construction of the pyramids as well and noooo we can not give credit them for that,everyhting arabs/islam wants to take credit for everything,this is pre islamib black africa informatio at its best people! now! having said that,kemetic people taught the greek all they need to know and more,this pre dates christ and even budha or ALLAH,and thats what we mean when we say Arab leechs living off
afrikan humanity ,well gonna say in unison A.L.L.A.H!!!! L L WELL DONE MY FRIEND!

[Akyeame Kwame]

Originally Posted by RecoveringAA

Greetings of Afreekan Love Family,

I am Joanie, a Re~covering Afreekan amerikkkan and Re~presentative from the Voices in the Margins.

AK,
HOw DO WE reconcile this:




with all else that is presented?

Akpe for allowing me to share

herodotus doesn't reconcile with the 42 principles of Ma'at as far as i can c. this is one in the list from socrates to pythagoras that WE opened Our door to. WE would have been better off taking them out from the jump:

"The one flaw in the ancient worldview which many have persisted seems to be the inability of African wisdom to account for the nature of the Eurasian."

Nana Jacob Carruthers

[Little95]

U know the author G.M. james of that book "stolen legacy" got killed cuz of it right!!!!

[Warrior Princess]

Originally Posted by RecoveringAA

Got my answer here:

"The term Greek philosophy, to begin with is a misnomer, for there is no such philosophy in existence."

George G.M. James
Stolen Legacy


What you think??

I love/appreciate G.M. James. As Little95 said, the brother lost his life because of his work/contributions; it is said that white 'masons' were responsible for it.

As far as the aforementioned quote, however, that's the thing... Herodotus was a Greek HISTORIAN- as compared to say Aristotle, Socrates or Plato-who were considered Greek philosophers. In addition to this, as mentioned, Herodotus is OFTEN quoted/used as a source of reference for a good number of Afrocentric works.

read the book called stolen legacy by the guyanese professor,good book and will tell you a lots about,i bet warrior princess,kemetic stuff or teachings are way older than islam since kemetic science dates back to 10 000 years b.c.e( islam didnt exist back them) and yes! islam does not account the construction of the pyramids as well and noooo we can not give credit them for that,everyhting arabs/islam wants to take credit for everything,this is pre islamib black africa informatio at its best people! now! having said that,kemetic people taught the greek all they need to know and more,this pre dates christ and even budha or ALLAH,and thats what we mean when we say Arab leechs living off
afrikan humanity ,well gonna say in unison A.L.L.A.H!!!! L L WELL DONE MY FRIEND

Well, Hon, I could see how befitting that comment would be if, in the topic of Islam or any other topic, I were trying to defend "Islam" or ANY other religion/spiritual system as opposed to trying to highlight the fact that we ALL, no matter our religious/spiritual beliefs have something to both teach AND learn (and that we allow differences in beliefs/culture keep us separated when we just really all in the same crappy situation, no matter what we believe). But I digress.

Now as far as teachings of KMT, I believe that many are scattered throughout many of the same "holy books" that many oppose OR revere, such as the Bible(perhaps especially the first 5 books: The Torah), Koran, Kaballah, etc. They seem to basically all be branches of The Book of the Coming Forth By Day and By Night ("The Book of The Dead").

[Guerilla Black]

BTW those are very different negative confessions from the ones ive read.

http://www.sas.upenn.edu/African_Stu...pyrus_Ani.html
http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/EGYPT/BOD125.HTM

Seems the ", I have not lain with men" negative confession is curiously left out. Hmmmm.

[RecoveringAA]

The Greek researcher and storyteller Herodotus of Halicarnassus (fifth century BCE) was the world's first historian.

http://www.livius.org/he-hg/herodotus/herodotus01.htm

so this would be my first problem with this guy....



i found this article interesting and possibly related in part to this discussion..
http://www.assatashakur.org/forums/u...ead.php?t=8790..
least i thought of it with some of your comments.....

again, suggestion is about whether Afreekans had/have the capability of claiming what is rightfully OURS without having to rely on studies, histories etc of yt. that We are able to take credit for and reclaim OUR Story...

I have Stolen Legacies and have had it in my library for many years. I have never read it. I have been comfortable in the knowledge that ALL of what the world knows about ANYTHING.. has come from US. It does not really matter who they attribute what to...IT WAS ALL STOLEN FROM US...TWISTED UP TO APPEAR AS IF THEY DID OR KNEW IT.. and that has always been my frame of reference.

so i guess with even asking AK the question, i had my own beliefs already....at times, i need to sift thru the new information recieved and take myself back to my own square one...my own foundation...this is because i will listen, absorb and process others thoughts, feelings and/or experiences trusting that i can learn and grow....look for what fits my own present schema and then filter what works, what does not, "take what i like and leave the rest"....."if it does not fit, i must acquit"...

sooooo...i need not at this point do much more research on this guy,...or maybe just to find out what he stole from US....reviewing what he offers from that frame first...look for how info as been twisted (if done) to fit the cultural other's framework/mission.

Ke a leboha for sharing and allowing me to share

[Kweku_Omowale]

george g james,what another brilliant mind,i over stand man, me is the same,read,study,absorb and learn,neva mind persian or yt stuff, i use what is most important for me

[Akyeame Kwame]

Originally Posted by Warrior Princess

As far as the aforementioned quote, however, that's the thing... Herodotus was a Greek HISTORIAN- as compared to say Aristotle, Socrates or Plato-who were considered Greek philosophers. In addition to this, as mentioned, Herodotus is OFTEN quoted/used as a source of reference for a good number of Afrocentric works.

htp Warrior Princess...i thot this was relevant to the discussion. although i don't know exactly what qualifies as an Afrocentric work or who exactly qualifies as an Afrocentric scholar.

"The central objective in decolonizing the African
mind is to overthrow the authority which alien
traditions exercise over the African. This demands
the dismantling of white supremacist beliefs, and the
structures which uphold them, in every area of African
life. It must be stressed, however, that
decolonization does not mean ignorance of foreign
traditions, it simply means denial of their authority
and withdrawal of allegiance from them."

- Chinweizu

[IfasehunReincarnated]

Out of curiousity i notice that NO ONE has actually attempted to discuss the negative confessions in their ORIGINAL CONTEXT, as a means of spiritual evolution.

Outside of the historical and intellectual conversation, what does everyone think of this tool of spiritual growth? Has anyone ever used them? Does anyone want to offer a means of usage or a methodology for making them have the greatest impact in ones life?

[RecoveringAA]

ok..re~reading thru thread.....

WP....gotta ya on the historian vs. philosopher thang....i wonder why/how is it WE end up getting OUR info bout US from them.......oh that's right.....THEY STOLE IT FROM US....

great question Ifa....and I plan to come back to it....gotta go out for now....


GB, AK....."th", "f" sounds????

mia dogo

[Majadi]

Originally Posted by IfasehunReincarnated

Out of curiousity i notice that NO ONE has actually attempted to discuss the negative confessions in their ORIGINAL CONTEXT, as a means of spiritual evolution.

Outside of the historical and intellectual conversation, what does everyone think of this tool of spiritual growth? Has anyone ever used them? Does anyone want to offer a means of usage or a methodology for making them have the greatest impact in ones life?

My beloved, I think that you have raised a valid point in as much as very few people in the discussion of these principles apply them to actual life. I attempt to on a daily basis, it is difficult in as much as according to Dr. John Henrick Clarke we are not living in a "...cultural container of our own creation..." I do not find it impossible however. -We must also refer to them not as commandments or confessions but more as Dr. Karenga, Dr. Ben, and others refer to them as "Declarations of Innoncence" I truly believe that a person can reach perfection if not GOD/DESS divinity if they were actualized 100% of the time in all situations.

I further believe that this would move us to act in ways that would neccesitate a revolution beginning in the soul of Africans and actuated in such a manner that the destruction of Global White Supremacy and full liberation of Afrikan people would be the goal.

If we operated on Nile Valley principles before and produced High cultures than we can do it again, we can do the same with any indigineous African Spiritual Systems, Ifa, Dogon spiritual systems or what have you. They must be created for by and about Afrikan people as were the Declarations of Innocence.


With much love for you all and for always

[IfasehunReincarnated]

The Negative Confessions are a series of positive affirmations that are used in conjuction with several "tools".

These tools include meditation, basic recitation upon waking and before sleep, in tandem w/ herbs and aromatherapy (oils & incense) that are used to stimulate brain activity and memorization.

During meditation, we imagine ourselves living out each statement without struggle, successfully, willingly and joyfully experiencing its benefits.

Upon waking we set the tone for our day by pledging with full confidence to live by the negative confession. Upon sleeping, we set the tone for our spiritual retreat and rejuvenation process by coloring our thoughts and dreams.

In tandem w/ herbs and aromatherapy, we impress upon our spirit and our mind (which are different) the importance of ethical, strong, balanced living. Each time we use that herb and/or aromatherapuetic tool, we trigger a memory and a feeling that is now cemented in ourselves. this is very similiar to the "pavlov" system of conditioning, what you might call self administered brainwashing. You convincing yourself that your way of life must be respectable, you are associating it with other sensations that are easy to remember - like smell, taste or physical sensation. When you get that feeling or sensation or taste or smell, it also triggers that desire to live righteously.

Lastly the negative confessions act as a blueprint (not dogma) for living. While you should not come between a woman and her husband, Afrikans wouldnt suggest that you leave a spouse in an abusive relationship. While its not okay to kill in general, you should not allow yourself to die at someone else's hands. This is a blueprint that is polished by personal instinct and good sense and most importantly by minute to minute communition with your SPIRITUAL intuition.

Here is a basic outline of how the beginner to intermediate might begin to make use of the Negative Confessions as a tool for spiritual development. This process is what makes it "superior" to the Ten Commandments, which were simply handed down with no instruction for how to actually obey them. Each person was left to their own devices and subsequently was unfairly punished for breaking a commandment, although they had never been taught how to train their mind or spirit to adopt them.

[IfasehunReincarnated]

RecoveringAA: Not only is it interesting that we get OUR information from THEIR historians, its that we study OUR information from THEIR perspective. In this case, any conversation about the negative confessions that doesnt result in make better people of us, was really an eurocentric activity. Why? Because eurocentrists "analyze" and africentrists "actualize", especially where Spirit and Ethics are concerned. Europeans classically avoid, question, cast doubt and deliberate anything concering ethics and God, while Afrikans classically embrace, affirm, and validate through experience what they suspect, know or believe about ethics and God. Europeans end up with lots of good thinkers. Afrikans end up with a firm idea of what constitutes good and not so good behavior. Vast difference in the two.

[RecoveringAA]

Originally Posted by IfasehunReincarnated

The Negative Confessions are a series of positive affirmations that are used in conjuction with several "tools".

These tools include meditation, basic recitation upon waking and before sleep, in tandem w/ herbs and aromatherapy (oils & incense) that are used to stimulate brain activity and memorization.

During meditation, we imagine ourselves living out each statement without struggle, successfully, willingly and joyfully experiencing its benefits.

Upon waking we set the tone for our day by pledging with full confidence to live by the negative confession. Upon sleeping, we set the tone for our spiritual retreat and rejuvenation process by coloring our thoughts and dreams.

In tandem w/ herbs and aromatherapy, we impress upon our spirit and our mind (which are different) the importance of ethical, strong, balanced living. Each time we use that herb and/or aromatherapuetic tool, we trigger a memory and a feeling that is now cemented in ourselves. this is very similiar to the "pavlov" system of conditioning, what you might call self administered brainwashing. You convincing yourself that your way of life must be respectable, you are associating it with other sensations that are easy to remember - like smell, taste or physical sensation. When you get that feeling or sensation or taste or smell, it also triggers that desire to live righteously.

Lastly the negative confessions act as a blueprint (not dogma) for living. While you should not come between a woman and her husband, Afrikans wouldnt suggest that you leave a spouse in an abusive relationship. While its not okay to kill in general, you should not allow yourself to die at someone else's hands. This is a blueprint that is polished by personal instinct and good sense and most importantly by minute to minute communition with your SPIRITUAL intuition.

Here is a basic outline of how the beginner to intermediate might begin to make use of the Negative Confessions as a tool for spiritual development. This process is what makes it "superior" to the Ten Commandments, which were simply handed down with no instruction for how to actually obey them. Each person was left to their own devices and subsequently was unfairly punished for breaking a commandment, although they had never been taught how to train their mind or spirit to adopt them.

this is a BlacKnifiCent breakdown and useful tool for HOW to view and implement the principles.....

i need not say more....simply "learn to listen and listen to learn"....


Akpe for sharing

[RecoveringAA]

Originally Posted by IfasehunReincarnated

RecoveringAA: Not only is it interesting that we get OUR information from THEIR historians, its that we study OUR information from THEIR perspective. In this case, any conversation about the negative confessions that doesnt result in make better people of us, was really an eurocentric activity. Why? Because eurocentrists "analyze" and africentrists "actualize", especially where Spirit and Ethics are concerned. Europeans classically avoid, question, cast doubt and deliberate anything concering ethics and God, while Afrikans classically embrace, affirm, and validate through experience what they suspect, know or believe about ethics and God. Europeans end up with lots of good thinkers. Afrikans end up with a firm idea of what constitutes good and not so good behavior. Vast difference in the two.

agreed

you know....that head start paper i wrote was for a course in "ethics".....this just made me think of it :cheers:

Ke a leboha for sharing