How true is the Zodiac?

[IfasehunReincarnated]

Originally Posted by Priestess

...
we'll KEEP the order that we have posted

ok. explain your order. there is no reason to assume its correct. and its western at that, so you break it down for us so we can see the science. why is that order so important? and how can u be sure its correct?

[Akyeame Kwame]

Originally Posted by IfasehunReincarnated

ok. explain your order. there is no reason to assume its correct. and its western at that, so you break it down for us so we can see the science. why is that order so important? and how can u be sure its correct?

i'm not sure that her decision to keep the order is based on correctness or science...i think it's based on emotion...

AK

[AzaniaSpeaks]

Greetings! ImHotep!

I read/pondered the posts in this thread. I even vistited the 'Egyption Astrology' website.

Our ancestors did not refer to Heru as Horus, nor was Ausar (Asr) known as Osiris. So my original question/concern still stands: If our current interpretation/imagery is skewed how can we truly know ourselves not to mention seek guidance via the tools of astrology (cosmology)?

"Greetings! ImHotep!

I read in brother John G. Jackson's, "Introduction to African Civilizations" that Kemet had definite astrological signs/symbols that pre-dates the greek ones so in use today. . . . .

Knowing that imagery shapes thought and thought shapes behavior, can it be That Africans (globally) that are unaware of our historical perspective in this regard are actually acting outside of their true astrological natures?

I'm looking for scholarship that espouses the science of our ancient true symbols of astrology. Does anyone have any information or leads that I can follow?

Searching Crocodile,
Asante sana!"

[Goddess IsIs Akkebala]

Beloved RebelAfrika. When is your Earth/Orbit Day? :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Rebel Afrika: Leos Hate me. Hate Me. Hate me. Beloved, I am Leo, and I do not hate you. I's WUVING WOO. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

I am blessed with the gift of clairvoyance ( Acute intuitive insight or perceptiveness.) I know we all have clairvoyance. Mine is still maturing. I can see a person Soul. The good, the bad, and the ugly. Cosmology is instrumental in me being able to see.

I agree with the 13 Zodiac sign (the most feared) number. Spiritual lack of knowledge, or blindness, causes the superstitious fear of the dread number "13". Hotel floors jump from 12 to 14, and a few hostesses will invite thirteen people for dinner. Yet, the true meaning of this Holy number is Wisdom. If use for evil it can be destructive. But if used for good it can bring great regeneration.

Numerology is another gift our ancestors had, and we have long forgotten.

Beloved Kwaku, It is awesome to see that the student is ready, and there are many teachers on Assata. Unless someone volunteers their time on these threads to teach you what will take a long time, you may need to go to the library, book stores, etc, to advance your learning.

Below is Chief Osiris response to the subject below.

G-IsIs
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Re: Astrology and our Right Afrikan Mind-set

Hoteph My Beloved Sisters And brothers:

First let me say that I know that all Afrikans and I dare say most Afrikans
do not respect the science of Astrology, there are debate among astronomers
as to whether or not Astrology is a Science or a form of hocus pocus made
up from those people of long ago and you know who those people are, your
Divine Ancestors.

I will attempt to reason the Truth with you that will show that our divine
ancestors were no dummies and they most certainly studied and acknowledged the Stars, of course you know, there was a Time when our divine ancestors did not distinguish between the planets or the Stars, to them they both were referred to as stars and I am sure they had their reason for doing so.

You know precious Hearts, the people call Afrikan has a nasty flaw about
themselves, many of us live by every word the white man and others who have oppressed and now depress the Divine soul, has to say about all things, we love to say or ask the question when something is being given in the way of profound knowledge by us would be Afrika, who wrote it?!, where did you get that from?! where can it be found to serve as being scientific evidence?!

Which is a sophisticated way of asking, has the white man signed off on it,
stating that it is true?!

Well let me remind you beloved of who introduced Civilization to this planet
world, it was your Divine Ancestors, those we no longer revere or even
desire to give them the recognition they deserve, not that our action of
behavior has any power of influence upon them in deciding the quality of a
Being they were on this planet, it just show how un-inform we are about
ourselves, God, and the Universe, so it stand to reason why we might side
with those who say that Astrology is not a Science.

Well let us look at what the white man say is science, well in essence he
says that science is a study of events objectively, arriving with empirical
data that will serve as the fact of the matter being studied and from such
information, it will qualify you to form a hypostasis that will be in
balance and harmony with the facts received from the study, which you can
come to a sound factual conclusion about the matter that was being studied.

Now I am paraphrasing what Webster will give or has given you as to the
meaning of science so if I am off a point or two do not crucify me, because
who is to say that Webster is on point, but I know we have decided not to
question Webster and all of its definition of words, as if Webster has all
of the sense and knowledge, but be that as it may, let us get back to
Astrology being a science or not and I say it is, and no doubt our Ancient
Divine Ancestors thought the same thing, hell they brought it here to this
planet, the study and knowledge of the Stars and Planets I speak of here.

Astrology is the only science that has no beginning, because it is all about
the attitude and habits of the Stars and Planets and their relationship to
each other which man has nothing to do with nor can not change.

Astrology is known for what we who know the reason and purpose of Astrology to be, you know, having an effect on our behavior and how we act toward each other, or shall I say should act toward each other and it go on to assert that the Stars and Planets and in term of position, it specify the planets, because they are forever moving, Astrology imply that those Stars and Planets does in fact affect all parts that make up the universe, including
Anthropomorphous Being, that include all Beings, regardless of their
biological status.

So beloved, is it not a fact that the organ call the Brain operate from
electromagnetic frequency, which determine our behavior and body function?

Is not such emanating out from the Universe and is not the universe a make
up of Stars and planets, and according to the position that the planets are
to the Star, of which they submit to as they revolve around the Star, and
based on each of their rotation on their axis, do they not in fact determine
the electromagnetic field of each planet, which does serve as an influence
on each member of the Universe, and is not all that move and is in motion, a
part of that Infinite Universe?

So does it not stand to reason, some way, some how, we all are influenced by each other, all parts of the Universe I speak of and the energy that flow
from each part of the universe in accordance to its position to each other,
determine the intensity of the energy that is let out into the universe
during certain Time, and within the span of that certain Time, Planets,
Stars, and Beings of a biological nature, are born and taken away as well,
each being influenced by the planetary Star relationship to each other,
which include the Moon as well.

The Universe action become the science of astrology as we call it to be.

All planets and Stars are no more than Family members, and is it not a fact,
families do have an affect on each other?

So it is with the broader Family, the Universe.

So can you not predict a person action by the way that person is behaving
and the attitude being expressed, and do we not have influence with family
members, one way or the other, acceptable or unacceptable?

Our Divine Ancestors were the first to interpret the behavioral Science of
the Universe, which we now call Astrology, a True Spiritualist would know
this about Astrology, revealed only through the knowledge of what God IS.

Here Is Loving You, Black Afrikans

It Is Time to Condemn the Lie and elevate The Truth!!!

We Must Cause Trouble ( with the truth ) Until Our Liberation!!!

It Is The Black Fool Who Say I Have Lost Nothing In Afrika!!! ( Osiris )

I Come, I Share, You Either Accept Or Reject, I Move On.

Completely Loving The Black Afrikan Nation

Honor, Respect And Praise To The Honorable Marcus Garvey

Hoteph
Osiris
Afrikan Spiritualist, Hierophant, Political Revolutionary
National Chairman
Sankofa Repatriation Movement
Copyright@2005

[Empress_Dahiyya]

Tenaystalin Beloveds:

I most definately ascribe to Astrology. In my research of how electromagnetics affects our behavior and moods, I feel the force that guides us is definately driven by light and depending on the positioning of the stars also affects the light when we are born. I'm not sure about the gravitational pull aspects. Electromagnetics and gravity are the two strongest forces that govern our reality.

I'm part of a African-centered homeschool collective that meets in the Bronx, NY. We have a volunteer drum instructor that just recently stated he wanted to do all of our and our children's charts. I'm so elated that he is introducing to our children this as an accepted reality of Afreekan peoples.

Also, regarding 13 months. Ethiopia has 13 months, which I think Khemit dealt with that too. 12 months of 30 days (makes 360, full cycle) and then the transitional month of 5 days called "Pegume". Their year starts at Meskram which is September. Basically this is a telling sign of the origins of Judaism, as their new year mimics this time of year. As the Earth takes 360 days/degrees to make a full circle, it needs 5 degrees to compensate for the Sun moving around its galatic orbit. It is said that those five degrees are represented by the five fingers on each hand and toes on each foot.

Love
Empress Dahiyya

[Elisa Keisha]

Originally Posted by Akyeame Kwame

check this y'all...this is the movement of the cosmos that The Great Year is based on...check the arrows as to how it moves...the whitey krakkka one is the exact opposite of this thus u have "gemini" coming after "taurus" rather than before...i swear, krakkkaz be turnin' everything upside down...maps, calendars, etc.

as all the movements in the cosmos have had implications for political power, the moving away from the fishes will probly mark the end of christendom's/krakkkaz stranglehold on the world with the coming of the period of Hapi/Menat the Nurse...

Stay BlackNificent, y'all...

AK

Ok, I had missed this thread!
Thank u AK. just a lil question in case I had mised sumthin... if I was born April the 20th, am I still Aries?

(i must be coz I love rebelafrika as a brother, lol. )

and what is Ophiuchus?

[Akyeame Kwame]

Originally Posted by Elisa_Keisha

Ok, I had missed this thread!
Thank u AK. just a lil question in case I had mised sumthin... if I was born April the 20th, am I still Aries?

(i must be coz I love rebelafrika as a brother, lol. )

and what is Ophiuchus?

htp,

i don't know...i first came across this info in my studies of Mdw Ntr and found out that astrology as it is now is completely backwards...upside down...the reverse of how Our Ancestors layed it out...but i don't know the implications for what you would b considered based on the setup as it is now...i'd like to do more research on this myself and i would appreciate you posting anything u might come across...

AK

[Rebel Queen]

Originally Posted by rebelafrika

Just a couple of observations...

Gemini women: I can't interest them no matter how hard I try.

Scorpio women: HATE, HATE, HATE me.

Leo women: HATE, HATE, HATE me.

Aries women: Love me like a brother.

Libra women: I've had some EXTREMELY pleasurable relationships with these women. EXTREMELY pleasurable.

I don't think that this is something "written in stone"...but this is just how it has seemed to play out for me so far.

LOL so what have cancerian women said about you??? :wink:

[Rebel Queen]

this thread is real interesting. i personally dont let the signs rule my life at all. But i must say this... the sign that i am said to be under in many ways from what ive read does describe some of me, more than i thought it would... def not all but still many of my characteristics. is this all in my head? i do believe that astrology or is it cosmology, originated in afrika, i just dont know enuff about the subject matter to speak further on it but i wanna learn more ..

[Rebel Queen]

Originally Posted by Priestess

first of all there are 13 not twelve signs
the wt man is afraid of the number 13

Astronomical Constellations of the Zodiac

Constellation Dates

Capricornus January 19 to February 15
Aquarius February 16 to March 11
Pisces March 12 to April 18
Aries April 19 to May 13
Taurus May 14 to June 19
Gemini June 20 to July 20
Cancer July 21 to August 9
Leo August 10 to September 15
Virgo September 16 to October 30
Libra October 31 to November 22
Scorpius November 23 to November 29
Ophiuchus November 30 to December 17
Sagittarius December 18 to January 18

why r they afraid of number 13?

[rebelAfrika]

Originally Posted by Rebel Queen

LOL so what have cancerian women said about you??? :wink:

I haven't really had any "experiences" with Cancerian woman. One of my best friends is a Cancer but he's a guy.

[Mekeda7]

Greetings Afrikans!
I am appreciative of the discussion
in this thread, rebelafrika, thanks for
starting this up! However, you are right
about that disinterest, cause it took me a while
before I forced myself to read through this thread-
in fact, I am so disinterested in this thread,
I don't even know why I am responding! :wink:

And with all these signs hating you or
iggin you, I am curious to know (you had to
know the question was coming!): What
is Your sign? Without looking I'ma guess
you're an Earth sign- Taurus or Cap?

So there are two main points running
through this thread, and I'd like to get
to the bottom of it. The commonality is
that YT f 'ed up- as usual, what was/is an
ancient Afrikan science, now Verdic Astrology,
as one Brother mentioned- to be first
recognized as a practice among our
KMTic ancestors, as AK has mentioned-
(but as we know KMT is the daughter,
so I am sure it was devloped and practiced
before KMT.)

Did YT add on more months, as our sis,
Priestess, was trying to point out-
and slightly supported by Empress
Dahyyia's comment on 13 Ethiopian months,
or did YT flip the script- or both?!

From Dr Browder's book, Nile Valley Contributions,
YT flipped it.... Which I think means we start
from Aries or Pisces then to Aquarius to Cap, etc, as
shown in the diagram AK provided, however it
does not account for the 13th month- which I am
intrigued by.

Can someone clarify?

Once again, I am thankful for All the imput
given towards this discussion.

Peace

[rebelAfrika]

Originally Posted by Goddess IsIs Akkebala

Beloved RebelAfrika. When is your Earth/Orbit Day? :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

March 30th

Originally Posted by Goddess IsIs Akkebala

Beloved, I am Leo, and I do not hate you. I's WUVING WOO. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

We haven't persued a relationship

[Akyeame Kwame]

"An interesting calendar is used by the Coptic Christian church in Ethiopia, with 12 months of 30 days each, plus a 13th short month of 5 days. A tourist brochure once lured visitors with a promise "Come to Ethiopia and enjoy 13 months of sunshine a year." http://www-spof.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Scalend.htm

"The calendar system of ancient Egypt is unique to both the cosmology of the Egyptians and their religion. Unlike the modern Julian calendar system, with it's 365 days to a year, the Egyptians followed a calendar system of 360 days, with three seasons, each made up of 4 months, with thirty days in each month. The seasons of the Egyptians corresponded with the cycles of the Nile, and were known as Inundation (pronounced akhet which lasted from June 21st to October 21st), Emergence (pronounced proyet which lasted from October 21st to February 21st), and Summer (pronounced shomu which lasted from February 21st to June 21st).

The beginning of the year, also called "the opening of the year", was marked by the emergence of the star Sirius, in the constellation of Canis Major. The constellation emerged roughly on June 21st., and was called "the going up of the goddess Sothis". The star was visible just before sunrise, and is still one of the brightest stars in the sky, located to the lower left of Orion and taking the form of the dogs nose in the constellation Canis Major.

Though the Egyptians did have a 360 day calendar, in a literal sense they did have a 365 day calendar system. The beginning of the year was marked by the addition of five additional days, known as "the yearly five days". These additional five days, were times of great feasting and celebration for the Egyptians, and it was not uncommon for the Egyptians to rituals, and other celebratory dealings on these days. The Egyptian calendar also took on other important functions within Egyptian life specifically in dealing with the astrology of the people."
http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehisto.../calendar.html

"The Perfect Egyptian Calendar


The Ancient Egyptian calendar followed the Sothic year. This fact is clearly acknowledged in the Webster dictionary which defines the Sothic year as:

* "of having to do with Sirius, the Dog Star"
* "Designating or of an ancient Egyptian cycle or period of time based on fixed year"


The Ancient Egyptians knew that the year was slightly over 365¼ days. The earth takes 365.25636 days to complete one revolution around the sun.

It should be noted that the chronology of 3,000 years of Ancient Egyptian history, by modern Egyptologists, was made possible only because the Ancient Egyptians followed the Sothic Year of slightly over 365¼ days, i.e. 365.25636 days.

The Ancient Egyptians were able to construct a monument with perfect precision, to match their perfect calendrical calculations. At the Abu Simbel Temple of Ramses II, is a statue of Ramses II, located among other statues at the back of its sanctuary, 180ft (55m) away from the only opening to the temple. The rays of the sun have illuminated his statue, next to Amen-Ra’s statue, on 22 February of each year for more than 3,200 years.
The difference between 365.25 days and 365.25636 days, over a span of 3200 years, is 20 days. If such a minute difference of 0.00636 days per year was not accounted for, the date of illumination of the statue would have changed from its original date many years ago. The long duration of the shrine illumination is only possible because of the accuracy of the Ancient Egyptian Sothic calendar that followed the heliacal rising of Sabt (Sirius)—the Dog Star.

The practical Ancient Egyptians used a calendar consisting of 12 months, each equal to 30 days.



The Egyptian months, grouped into the Ancient Egyptian’s three seasons


The adjustments needed to make a complete year, i.e. the difference between 365.25636 days and the 360 (30 x 12) days, were made as follows:

1. The difference of 5.25 days comes at the end of the Egyptian year, by adding 5 days every year and an additional day every 4 years. The Ancient Egyptian Year currently begins (in 2003) on 11 September. The 5/6 extra days begin on 6 September.
2. The difference of 0.00636 day (365.25636 – 365¼ days) for each year requires adding another day every (1/0.00636) 157¼ years, which the Egyptians continued to do until our present times. This is accomplished by adding an extra day every 157, 314, 471, and 629 year cycles.

The Egyptians’ advanced knowledge in astronomy, as reflected in their calendar, was acknowledged by the great Strabo (64 BCE–25 CE), who wrote:

They (the Egyptian priests) revealed to the Greeks the secrets of the full year, whom the latter ignored as with many other things...

When Julius Caesar came to Egypt in 48 BCE, he commissioned the astronomer Sosigenes (from Alexandria) to introduce a calendar into the Roman Empire. Sosigenes' work is best described in an excerpt from The Book of the Master of the Hidden Places by Marsham Adams:

He [Sosigenes] took no heed of standard or measure, of orbit or of sacred interval. But first he cut up the year into twelve unequal and unmeaning bits -- to say he divided it into portions is far too scientific an expression -- which rags bore indeed the name of the insulted moon, but of which that mighty measurer condescended to make no sort of recognition. And then he threw the "odd day" in along with the "odd month"; much as a child, who has broken his toy horse, glues a bit of the tail to the shortest of the legs, and calls aloud on creation to admire his handiwork.

This resulted in the Julian calendar of 365 days a year and 366 days every leap year. The Roman (Julian) calendar was literally tailored to be fit for a King. The first day of the year was the coronation day for the Egyptian King at the end of the annual rejuvenation Jubilee—the Heb-Sed Festivals [see Egyptian Mystics: Seekers of the Way, for more info].

However, because the Julian calendar did not take into account that the year is a bit longer than 365¼ days, the Gregorian calendar was introduced in 1582 CE to correct this error. The Gregorian calendar is still off by about one full day every 3,000 years.

In their attempts to have a different looking calendar than the Egyptian system, both the Julian and the Gregorian calendars fell short of the exact system, as developed by the Egyptians.

The difference between 365.25 days and 365.25636 days, from the time of the adoption of the Julian calendar to our present time, is 13 days. Such a difference explains the 13 day variation in the annual observations of numerous Christian festivals—between the Orthodox and non-Orthodox churches. The reason is that one group followed the accurate Egyptian calendar, while the other group followed the inaccurate Julian calendar."

http://www.egypt-tehuti.org/articles...-calendar.html

She's counting the 5 days @ the end of the year as a 13th month...if she's basing it on the Ethiopian Calendar.

AK

[rebelAfrika]

Originally Posted by Mekeda7

Greetings Afrikans!
I am appreciative of the discussion
in this thread, rebelafrika, thanks for
starting this up! However, you are right
about that disinterest, cause it took me a while
before I forced myself to read through this thread-
in fact, I am so disinterested in this thread,
I don't even know why I am responding! :wink:

You're a Gemini???

*reading the rest of what you said*

See!!! LOL!!!

Originally Posted by Mekeda7

And with all these signs hating you or
iggin you, I am curious to know (you had to
know the question was coming!): What
is Your sign? Without looking I'ma guess
you're an Earth sign- Taurus or Cap?

I'm an Aries (and VERY true to the sign...even my favorite color is red).