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| Liberation Strategy Discussion about Ideas, Mistakes And Solutions for the Liberation of All Afrikan People. |
| View Poll Results: Which city is most conducive to Afrikan Liberation? | |||
| Harare | | 2 | 6.06% |
| Chicago | | 1 | 3.03% |
| Atlanta | | 10 | 30.30% |
| New York | | 5 | 15.15% |
| Accra | | 1 | 3.03% |
| Kingston | | 0 | 0% |
| Monrovia | | 0 | 0% |
| Addis Ababa | | 1 | 3.03% |
| Port-au-Prince | | 0 | 0% |
| No city! A rural area is most conducive to Afrikan Liberation! | | 8 | 24.24% |
| other (please list) | | 5 | 15.15% |
| Voters: 33. You may not vote on this poll | |||
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__________________ "The problem with modern conceptualizations is it leaves no room for other sources of knowledge...The Kemetic concept approaches the process of knowing from a more 'common sense' approach. Ultimately knowing is the result of a divine, universal, and intergenerational conversation among God the creator, the cosmos, nature and the creatures of the earth, especially human beings...the process of human creativity is an imitation or rather repitition of divine creativity."--Jacob Carruthers |
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__________________ "The problem with modern conceptualizations is it leaves no room for other sources of knowledge...The Kemetic concept approaches the process of knowing from a more 'common sense' approach. Ultimately knowing is the result of a divine, universal, and intergenerational conversation among God the creator, the cosmos, nature and the creatures of the earth, especially human beings...the process of human creativity is an imitation or rather repitition of divine creativity."--Jacob Carruthers |
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I have to agree with Asafo. The process of Afrikan liberation is an inter-generational one. It requires the establishment of an infrastructure that will ensure the inter-generational survival and expansion of our movement. This means that we must build communities. Independent communities, where we can fully control the processes of socialization (education), food production, community design and development (housing), health care delivery, and processes of internal and external security (defense). How would we achieve this in any U.S. city? Cities where many of our people are struggling to hold on (Chicago-where I'm from being an example). How can we effectively overcome the economic and political processes that are designed to undermine the viability of our empowerment in these areas? Should we bother trying? Malcolm X said that land is the basis of all independence. This is true. Land, and our effective utilization of it is the most basic element in achieving self-sufficiency and in winning the war. This is the ultimate reason why the rural areas are of enormous value. They offer a variety of benefits as it relates to the tactical, strategical, social, spiritual, kwk. I have been a part of various initiatives over the years that have been responsive to this basic reality. And I would encourage others to get out of the concrete jungle and get back to the land. Survival Training Encampments Asante Kimani for starting this thread. Free the land! SN
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The Republic of New Afrika The Nation Of Islam The Shrine Of The Black Madonna Where Malcolm gave his last known major speech The Marcus Garvey Movement Uhuru or Marcus Garvey Park where Afrikan Liberation has been held for almost 30 years Where pigs are murdered often The largest delagation to the Million Man March outside of D.C. residents (over 50,000) Major members of the National Conference of Black Lawyers who has released a "Hands Off Assata" statement What else y'all want??????????? Uhuru |
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I agree with brothers Asafo and Simba Nerevu. All major cities that exist in America were created by our enemies for specific purposes. From a strategic war perspective, we are at a severe deficit in the city. The Move attack in Philly is an example of this reality. The institutional framework that is part and parcel of the infrastructure of any city in this country systematically sacrifice our children and families every day. At this stage in our process we need safe space to heal and build. We can BEGIN this process of creating quilombos or fihankras where ever we are, urban or rural. We should not fool ourselves, however, to believe that any city created for our enemies purposes can be conducive to this process. Cities as they exist today are by definition antagonistic to family and community building. I see cities as akin to plantations during our period of captivity. While much resistance occurred on the plantation, our Maroon ancestors did not attempt to build societies on the plantation. They went to the mountains.
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Demetri Marshall, former president of the PG-RNA developed a New African National Strategy that identified three key areas for organizing: rural areas in the national territory (AL, GA, LA, MS, SC), urban areas in the national territory (cities in the aforementioned states), and areas outside of the national territory. This approach seems most logical to me as it reflects our attempting to solve our problems from a multidimensional perspective. My point is that for the people who prefer cities then struggle, build, and organize there. For the people who prefer the rural areas then struggle, build, and organize there. For those Afrikans who want to get out of the U.S. to the Caribbean, Africa, kwk then struggle, build, and organize there. The key theme here is struggling, building, organizing. Lastly, I think that these are not mutually negating agendas. I maintain that what we do in one space can enhance what we do everywhere else-if our efforts are well coordinated and integrated within a sound strategic framework. I suspect the absence of this is one of our greatest weaknesses. I wonder to what degree the African Hebrew Israellite model may be instructive here. http://kingdomofyah.com/kingdom-enterprises.htm Notice the integration of their varied initiatives rural and urban, U.S.-based and international. SN
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| What is sort of bothering me about some of the answers in this thread is, what we feel are the socio-cultural or infrastructural ingredients of Black liberation. I see us counting and mentioning the number of Negro colleges, wealthy Black folks, bookstores, Black entrepreneurs, and so forth. I’m trying to figure out what does these have to do with actual Black liberation? The fact that some of the communities have so many Black colleges and businesses and are not experiencing Black liberation is what’s questionable and should make these places debatable! Also in some cases, we are using demographics, as far as, how many Black people are there living per square mile; if that’s the case, than Nigeria should be the number one country, with possibly Lagos being the city of choice, that’s if we use that sort of logic alone, which I don't think we should. It’s hard to answer this question wisely, because there will rarely be any place actually conducive for Black liberation. Revolutionary thought and action is about making a place conducive for Black liberation, and that’s if we have a proper and healthy definition of what is Black liberation! Remember, every place mentioned so far, was not always as progressive as some people perceive, and all of these places still have some sort of reactionary Negro or white controlling elite still in place and empowered. Spelman wasn’t built by Black people for liberation; let’s get real! It was built like a few other Black colleges, for the descendants of slave masters and later was a color-struck school that fostered the success of a certain complex and mentality, and this goes for the history of Howard also. Sometimes you got to look at places where you never expect, where Black minds are fertile and ready for guidance. The chain is only as strong as the weakest link. You need Black liberating action in the cities and the rural areas (where do you think your strong grandfathers, grand-mama’s and big mama’s came from, along with most of the slave revolts!). Plus you can only grow so much food between the cracks of sidewalks! Peace |
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uhuru sasa kentake,general, assafo37 and all tha family! yes,i would agree with some of you,about atlanta,i think,BAHIA,SAO SALVADOR,is getting there, in bahia,afrikans,there,have founded the steve biko center and there is the pocc chapter of brazil,for afrikan culture and afrikan spirituality,on which the government is thinking to make it like guyana,the national religion,we are working on it we need everybody,we need yall family
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Sho' U Right! I have lived in WI, TN, GA, AK, and AZ, and have "passed through" and spent time in nearly 20 states. The common-theme amongst Africans everywhere is a people disconnected from purpose. ( I too was one of them) My personal observation and preference is a city/place that is not land-locked. Considering the question, and the logistics, the identified city must have provable and accessible drinking water and arable land. Obviously in my "view" there is a division of labor and the primary-purpose of land acquisition "ought" to be farming followed by low-tech manufacturing (furniture, clothing, household goods and small electricals). We must build our "Africanization" from the land-up. That said, if in the U.S. somewhere in TN/MS/AL/GA would fit the bill. It is past-time that Africans began to think seriously about food-security. We are so removed from the production and processing of our own food that if food was cut-off or restricted, we'd be gonners in a matter of weeks. The U.S. is now a net-importer of foods, and if you haven't noticed, farm-land is rapidly being "developed" to reduce the amount of farm-land nation-wide. General, IMHO is more than correct to keep at us about reading certain books that are the "cornerstone" to a movement such as this. No sense in aggregating to a place and not have a plan, or "blue-print" to go on. We need some linkeages. Pretty-soon most of us will come to the realization and acceptance that there is no leadership above us that can effectively lead us where we are trying to get. One thing the "New Afrika" cannot be is a single point of failure, that means that support and income/revenue must be multi-source(d). Planned-business connections and distrubution routes have to be identified, and linkeages made. Those who remain in other cities are the potential market for our goods ( I say "our" 'cause I'm coming). As far as manufacturing goes, from a training perspective, Detroit is a good place being that many Africans have manufacturing experience, also the Carolinas where there are skilled furniture and textile workers. The key is to aggregate these people to one place and start our own industrializatin project. China has no inherent or natural manufacturing advantage, it's just aht the greedy capitalists want the too-close-to-free labor! Atlanta is the IT-Integration/Implementation and regional sales headquarters for nearly all software and hardware and IT services consulting firms. Africans in Atlanta protentially serve to assist in the building of IT capacity within the African world, once those willing are brought-into New African vision. Assuming we have an "in it to win it" attutude, china could not compete with us on labor because it will be a participatory/communcal set-up (right?). Being in the U.S. gives us a time-to-market advantage and lower distribution costs! Pimp the free-trade agreements and we can take it to the world and develop a strategy to "industrialize" Africa, or work to be the primary trading partner of various African countries or Africa in general. Preferred, at least. WE MUST DEVELOP THE STRATEGIES AND VISION FOR OUR AFRICAN FUTURE, WE HAVE THE SAME CAPACITY FOR VISION AND PLANNING AS ANY OTHER AFRICAN, EXCEPT WE DON'T HAVE THE "Y'ALL GON' GET US KILLED" MENTALITY THAT THE NEED2GROWS AND ASSIMILATIONISTS HAVE. We may not ever identify an ideal city, though we can identify cities that are ideally situated for our purposes. There are 28 cities in the U.S. with a large African presence. Those cities, the Carribean, and continental-Africa become "our world." Looking at that "map" it them becomes an aggregation and analysis of where we are as a "nation." Cull all the known and published information, break it down, and get a "rough-draft" of where we stand as a people. Then comes the SWOT (Strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats) analysis of where we stand by certain measures: 1. Income 2. Non-Education 3. Social-stability 3. industrial capacity 4. Work-force 5. Prevailing job-market 6. market-opportunities As Pan-Africanists, this is the type of information that we need to gather, it exists but not in one-place and in the hands of those who are about building a "New Africa." We need more than anecdotal information about the status of Africans, we need details. We need the war planners, economic agenda planners, industrialization planners, education planners, and social planners to be reading from the same book executing the same agenda where-ever Africans exist. Basically, we Africans of America must begin to take a "fresh eyes" look at Amerikkka, and begin to think strategically about coming up by adopting the mind of outsiders and non-immigrants that we are. We Africans are interconnected, and even if such a city were to come into existence (rural) or urban, our strength is still in leveraging the connections that we have and must build-upon. With good detailed information (dempgraphics) we can identify where and how capital is bleeding from our communities and plan strategically to take "market" action to capture those monies. We can identify the housing-needs of our communities and put African men to work building homes for US. We can set-up our own banks/credit unions or LETS system and fund our own schoold. We are going to have to turn the weapon of consumerism against the need2grows and don't know no' betters and start recapturing that capital that is feeding yt. I see no-other way around it. We basically are going to have to out-yt yt to get into the pockets of Africans (and others) to fund our liberation. The catch is to bring it full-circle and show by example. IMHO, every city where Africans exist is as good a place as any for African liberation, though some serve a more strategic purpose, we must first come to overstand what that particular purpose is and how it serves our ambitions. Thanks for allowing me to share, I tend to "color outside the lines" but it's all "art" to me!
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toronto is nota good place for afrikan liberation because people are dettached from the same values u just mentioned, co operative economics and sustainable development,everybody here is doing their own thang,you know,out here,we have blacks waging war on blacks,at workplace and on the streets. there is acquisition of land here for farming purposes as well,let alone black owned business,toronto is very cut throat,coz,everybody is out for demselves here.bound to self destruct unfortunately.
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