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Liberation Strategy Discussion about Ideas, Mistakes And Solutions for the Liberation of All Afrikan People.

View Poll Results: Which city is most conducive to Afrikan Liberation?
Harare 2 6.06%
Chicago 1 3.03%
Atlanta 10 30.30%
New York 5 15.15%
Accra 1 3.03%
Kingston 0 0%
Monrovia 0 0%
Addis Ababa 1 3.03%
Port-au-Prince 0 0%
No city! A rural area is most conducive to Afrikan Liberation! 8 24.24%
other (please list) 5 15.15%
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I would also like to add as a Globalized plan Idea that South Afrika would be the most ideal. Dr. Leonard Jeffries, Dr. Khallid Muhammad and several others thought so. In Afrika as a continent the 2% of the National Exports from Afrika in 2005 .8% came from South Afrika. George Ayittie Author of "frikan Unchanged, The Future of Afrika" breaks this down. There are several other places that I have refereced from several different sources, yes Ghana is one. If I may suggest some places have enough problems though without a Non-Productive population coming into their environment. We are so disconnected from some people and places that it could take years to build a strong bridge and kinship. For this reason if possible while hear in the United Snakkkes and basically Economically trapped when one has lemons make lemonade. As I stated earlier, The LARGEST BLACK BOOKSTORE/WAREHOUSE ON THE EAST COAST IS IN BALTIMORE!!! MEANING THIS BROTHERS AND SISTA'S WE SHOULD TRY TO SERIOUSLY HAVE ACCESS TO THE MOST TIMELY, WIDE VARIETY OF INFORMATION ON THE PLANET. IT IS LIKE STUDYING AT SAY TIMBUCTU OR TEMPLE OF LUXOR! Black bookstores from all over the country get Black books here. I can not read them ALL I NEED HELP!! HELP!!! IT IS NOT ECONOMICALLY, RACIALLY AND HISTORICALLY INTELLIGENT TO STAY DISCONNECTED FROM LIBRARIES!!! KNOWLEDGE IS POWER IS WHAT I SAY!! People have gone to war to protect books. Crakkka's have burned books of black folk! WHY? WE ALL NEED TO READ BLUEPRINT TO BLACK POWER BY DR. AMOS WILSON AND POWERNOMICS BY DR. CLAUD ANDERSON! WE NEED TO MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS, RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS! PLEASE TELL ME THAT EVERYONE READING THIS HAS READ THESE BOOKS AND USE THEM TO MAP OUT STRATEGIES, TACTICS, DEMOGRAPHICS IN AMERICA? PLEASE TELL ME THAT FOLK ARE SERIOUSLY TRYING TO LINK UP AND CONNECT TO AFRIKAN PEOPLE!
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I live in Atlanta and I vote against Atlanta as being the most conducive to African Liberation! Because I live there I know more about it, African Liberation wise, than people in other cities who have not or do not live here. For Atlanta to be the hub of African Liberation there must be a serious mentally change. While it is true, Atlanta is by far the wealthiest population of Afrikans on the globe this does not change the fact that political outlook controls the purpose and usability of that money. You have to understand, which most do not, Atlanta is the #2 MAIN hub of white supremacy in ameriKKKa! NYC is #1. Steve Cokely once said if you want to know who’s running the world look in the Richest People/Corporations in ameriKKKa in Forbes magazine. Atlanta has the most Fortune 500 business in ameriKKKa. It also houses some of the world’s most deadly corporations/government facilities: one of the largest Homeland Security offices in ameriKKKa, HQ for the Center for Disease Control (CDC), Fort McPherson Military Base, Lockheed Martin, Turner Broadcasting, IBM Corp., Scientific Research Corp, and also has a strong history of agents (as told to by Chairmen Fred Hampton Jr.).

The reason for the large percentage of Afrikans in Atlanta comes from slavery Atlanta/Terminus was a hub for sending slaves to different parts of the South; the four HBCUs: Morehouse College (tied for #1 top Negro producer), Clark Atlanta University, Spelman College (tied for #1 top Negro producer), and Morris Brown College; and the large number of corporations people are able to get jobs and be “successful” and “have an opportunity to make it”.

Kimani mention “every other city in this country appears to be undergoing dramatic transformation in demographics, power (i.e., yt is taking them "back" over, pushing blacks out through rising housing cost, section 8 vouchers, etc)”. The exact same thing is happening in Atlanta and it is very obvious.

Seeing that Atlanta is by far the wealthiest population of Afrikans on the globe much of the Afrikan culture here is Negroized and profiteered. Atlanta is Negroland or as I call it the Neo-Colonization Capital in ameriKKKa.

Though the above is the case, the legitimate Afrikan Liberation work is here and is on the move. In being honest Atlanta has a good amount of Afrocentric events to attend, there are least 3 or 4 Afrikan-centered events to go here every month. I do not consider a great leap towards Afrikan Liberation considering that this same is going on in most major cities in ameriKKKa and we you are in the mix you will know about them. Atlanta has a lot of potential growth and opportunity especially in the area of economics.

So as far as Atlanta being a city where “like-minded Afrikan Liberators ‘taking over a city’ ; relocating in mass;buying up property; etc etc etc; and then seriously be about the bizness of creating something of our own” I don’t think so. As a matter of fact in my eyes, being a Pan-Afrikan, this can only happen in Afrika and all other revolts, rebellions must be directly linked to Afrika. I feel Atlanta can do something seriously in being one of many cities in ameriKKKa that will set ameriKKKa on fire and have leadership come from here, but Our real power lies in Afrika!
thanks for the insights on the ATL; do you have any particular Afrikan city in mind?; walk us thorough how this would actually take place on the Continent, the role of Afrikans in America; in the united snakkes: some committee of folk could decide on a city; these brave soul(s) could then call for Afrikan Liberators to move to a particular city, rural area; Afrikan Liberators begin to converge on the city, something like the Great Migration; The Great Migration transformed northern, northeastern, midwestern cities; the Chosen City would be transformed by the influx of true Afrikan Liberators; we could/would make them less white and Negro by our very presence and assertiveness; there would be some plan for development no doubt; we would be in a better position, i think, to stimulate change globally if this were to occur.
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I would also like to add as a Globalized plan Idea that South Afrika would be the most ideal. Dr. Leonard Jeffries, Dr. Khallid Muhammad and several others thought so. In Afrika as a continent the 2% of the National Exports from Afrika in 2005 .8% came from South Afrika. George Ayittie Author of "frikan Unchanged, The Future of Afrika" breaks this down. There are several other places that I have refereced from several different sources, yes Ghana is one. If I may suggest some places have enough problems though without a Non-Productive population coming into their environment. We are so disconnected from some people and places that it could take years to build a strong bridge and kinship. For this reason if possible while hear in the United Snakkkes and basically Economically trapped when one has lemons make lemonade. As I stated earlier, The LARGEST BLACK BOOKSTORE/WAREHOUSE ON THE EAST COAST IS IN BALTIMORE!!! MEANING THIS BROTHERS AND SISTA'S WE SHOULD TRY TO SERIOUSLY HAVE ACCESS TO THE MOST TIMELY, WIDE VARIETY OF INFORMATION ON THE PLANET. IT IS LIKE STUDYING AT SAY TIMBUCTU OR TEMPLE OF LUXOR! Black bookstores from all over the country get Black books here. I can not read them ALL I NEED HELP!! HELP!!! IT IS NOT ECONOMICALLY, RACIALLY AND HISTORICALLY INTELLIGENT TO STAY DISCONNECTED FROM LIBRARIES!!! KNOWLEDGE IS POWER IS WHAT I SAY!! People have gone to war to protect books. Crakkka's have burned books of black folk! WHY? WE ALL NEED TO READ BLUEPRINT TO BLACK POWER BY DR. AMOS WILSON AND POWERNOMICS BY DR. CLAUD ANDERSON! WE NEED TO MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS, RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS! PLEASE TELL ME THAT EVERYONE READING THIS HAS READ THESE BOOKS AND USE THEM TO MAP OUT STRATEGIES, TACTICS, DEMOGRAPHICS IN AMERICA? PLEASE TELL ME THAT FOLK ARE SERIOUSLY TRYING TO LINK UP AND CONNECT TO AFRIKAN PEOPLE!
yes General, your point is well taken: libraries, bookstores, books, read, POWERNOMICS, BLUE PRINT FOR BLACK POWER...and back to the subject...
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I have to agree with Asafo. The process of Afrikan liberation is an inter-generational one. It requires the establishment of an infrastructure that will ensure the inter-generational survival and expansion of our movement. This means that we must build communities. Independent communities, where we can fully control the processes of socialization (education), food production, community design and development (housing), health care delivery, and processes of internal and external security (defense).

How would we achieve this in any U.S. city? Cities where many of our people are struggling to hold on (Chicago-where I'm from being an example). How can we effectively overcome the economic and political processes that are designed to undermine the viability of our empowerment in these areas? Should we bother trying?

Malcolm X said that land is the basis of all independence. This is true. Land, and our effective utilization of it is the most basic element in achieving self-sufficiency and in winning the war. This is the ultimate reason why the rural areas are of enormous value. They offer a variety of benefits as it relates to the tactical, strategical, social, spiritual, kwk.

I have been a part of various initiatives over the years that have been responsive to this basic reality. And I would encourage others to get out of the concrete jungle and get back to the land.
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Detroit Home Of...

The Republic of New Afrika

The Nation Of Islam

The Shrine Of The Black Madonna

Where Malcolm gave his last known major speech

The Marcus Garvey Movement

Uhuru or Marcus Garvey Park where Afrikan Liberation has been held for almost 30 years

Where pigs are murdered often

The largest delagation to the Million Man March outside of D.C. residents (over 50,000)

Major members of the National Conference of Black Lawyers who has released a "Hands Off Assata" statement

What else y'all want???????????

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I have to agree with Asafo. The process of Afrikan liberation is an inter-generational one. It requires the establishment of an infrastructure that will ensure the inter-generational survival and expansion of our movement. This means that we must build communities. Independent communities, where we can fully control the processes of socialization (education), food production, community design and development (housing), health care delivery, and processes of internal and external security (defense).

How would we achieve this in any U.S. city? Cities where many of our people are struggling to hold on (Chicago-where I'm from being an example). How can we effectively overcome the economic and political processes that are designed to undermine the viability of our empowerment in these areas? Should we bother trying?

Malcolm X said that land is the basis of all independence. This is true. Land, and our effective utilization of it is the most basic element in achieving self-sufficiency and in winning the war. This is the ultimate reason why the rural areas are of enormous value. They offer a variety of benefits as it relates to the tactical, strategical, social, spiritual, kwk.

I have been a part of various initiatives over the years that have been responsive to this basic reality. And I would encourage others to get out of the concrete jungle and get back to the land.
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Brothers we have to use the Powernomics Model Brothers. At one time we could say live off the land, Now all over the world everyone is trying to industrialize to compete. We need serious students that are seriously engaged in research. This is why the Powernomics Model makes sense. Check out Dr. Claud Anderson.
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The Republic of New Afrika

The Nation Of Islam

The Shrine Of The Black Madonna

Where Malcolm gave his last known major speech

The Marcus Garvey Movement

Uhuru or Marcus Garvey Park where Afrikan Liberation has been held for almost 30 years

Where pigs are murdered often

The largest delagation to the Million Man March outside of D.C. residents (over 50,000)

Major members of the National Conference of Black Lawyers who has released a "Hands Off Assata" statement

What else y'all want???????????

Uhuru
I like Detriot too. I am/was serious considering moving to Detriot since Dr. Claud Anderson and the Powernomics Movement is being pushed there. I do not know though how the Need to Grow Mayor is? He is a Sambo, suffice to say we can overpower him. Detriot has a good spending power and an International plan of Global trade for Pan Afrikans should be put forward. I suggest Detriot as well. Keep me abreast. I seriously considered moving though there needs to be strong leadership to take charge. Dr. Anderson is getting old. Thanks for all of these key insights. I appreciate the inputs here they are certainly valuable. I put some thoughts on Baltimore, what do U all think. Actually read the statements, do not take my opinions do somethings make sense. We should all be engaged in these type thoughts anyway and I'm glad the post was put up. We should be thinking about the best place for Afree-Kans.
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I agree with brothers Asafo and Simba Nerevu. All major cities that exist in America were created by our enemies for specific purposes. From a strategic war perspective, we are at a severe deficit in the city. The Move attack in Philly is an example of this reality. The institutional framework that is part and parcel of the infrastructure of any city in this country systematically sacrifice our children and families every day. At this stage in our process we need safe space to heal and build. We can BEGIN this process of creating quilombos or fihankras where ever we are, urban or rural. We should not fool ourselves, however, to believe that any city created for our enemies purposes can be conducive to this process. Cities as they exist today are by definition antagonistic to family and community building. I see cities as akin to plantations during our period of captivity. While much resistance occurred on the plantation, our Maroon ancestors did not attempt to build societies on the plantation. They went to the mountains.
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I like Detriot too. I am/was serious considering moving to Detriot since Dr. Claud Anderson and the Powernomics Movement is being pushed there. I do not know though how the Need to Grow Mayor is? He is a Sambo, suffice to say we can overpower him. Detriot has a good spending power and an International plan of Global trade for Pan Afrikans should be put forward. I suggest Detriot as well. Keep me abreast. I seriously considered moving though there needs to be strong leadership to take charge. Dr. Anderson is getting old. Thanks for all of these key insights. I appreciate the inputs here they are certainly valuable. I put some thoughts on Baltimore, what do U all think. Actually read the statements, do not take my opinions do somethings make sense. We should all be engaged in these type thoughts anyway and I'm glad the post was put up. We should be thinking about the best place for Afree-Kans.
Peace General. I think that for those who choose to struggle in the cities then we need to maximize their strategic value to the movement as well.

Demetri Marshall, former president of the PG-RNA developed a New African National Strategy that identified three key areas for organizing: rural areas in the national territory (AL, GA, LA, MS, SC), urban areas in the national territory (cities in the aforementioned states), and areas outside of the national territory. This approach seems most logical to me as it reflects our attempting to solve our problems from a multidimensional perspective.

My point is that for the people who prefer cities then struggle, build, and organize there. For the people who prefer the rural areas then struggle, build, and organize there. For those Afrikans who want to get out of the U.S. to the Caribbean, Africa, kwk then struggle, build, and organize there. The key theme here is struggling, building, organizing.

Lastly, I think that these are not mutually negating agendas. I maintain that what we do in one space can enhance what we do everywhere else-if our efforts are well coordinated and integrated within a sound strategic framework. I suspect the absence of this is one of our greatest weaknesses.

I wonder to what degree the African Hebrew Israellite model may be instructive here. http://kingdomofyah.com/kingdom-enterprises.htm Notice the integration of their varied initiatives rural and urban, U.S.-based and international.

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I agree with brothers Asafo and Simba Nerevu. All major cities that exist in America were created by our enemies for specific purposes. From a strategic war perspective, we are at a severe deficit in the city. The Move attack in Philly is an example of this reality. The institutional framework that is part and parcel of the infrastructure of any city in this country systematically sacrifice our children and families every day. At this stage in our process we need safe space to heal and build. We can BEGIN this process of creating quilombos or fihankras where ever we are, urban or rural. We should not fool ourselves, however, to believe that any city created for our enemies purposes can be conducive to this process. Cities as they exist today are by definition antagonistic to family and community building. I see cities as akin to plantations during our period of captivity. While much resistance occurred on the plantation, our Maroon ancestors did not attempt to build societies on the plantation. They went to the mountains.
I totally agree Bro. Ajaguna. This is an especially urgent issue with regards to family development and childrearing.

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What is sort of bothering me about some of the answers in this thread is, what we feel are the socio-cultural or infrastructural ingredients of Black liberation. I see us counting and mentioning the number of Negro colleges, wealthy Black folks, bookstores, Black entrepreneurs, and so forth. I’m trying to figure out what does these have to do with actual Black liberation?

The fact that some of the communities have so many Black colleges and businesses and are not experiencing Black liberation is what’s questionable and should make these places debatable!

Also in some cases, we are using demographics, as far as, how many Black people are there living per square mile; if that’s the case, than Nigeria should be the number one country, with possibly Lagos being the city of choice, that’s if we use that sort of logic alone, which I don't think we should.

It’s hard to answer this question wisely, because there will rarely be any place actually conducive for Black liberation. Revolutionary thought and action is about making a place conducive for Black liberation, and that’s if we have a proper and healthy definition of what is Black liberation! Remember, every place mentioned so far, was not always as progressive as some people perceive, and all of these places still have some sort of reactionary Negro or white controlling elite still in place and empowered.

Spelman wasn’t built by Black people for liberation; let’s get real! It was built like a few other Black colleges, for the descendants of slave masters and later was a color-struck school that fostered the success of a certain complex and mentality, and this goes for the history of Howard also.

Sometimes you got to look at places where you never expect, where Black minds are fertile and ready for guidance. The chain is only as strong as the weakest link.

You need Black liberating action in the cities and the rural areas (where do you think your strong grandfathers, grand-mama’s and big mama’s came from, along with most of the slave revolts!).

Plus you can only grow so much food between the cracks of sidewalks!


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uhuru sasa kentake,general, assafo37 and all tha family!

yes,i would agree with some of you,about atlanta,i think,BAHIA,SAO SALVADOR,is getting there, in bahia,afrikans,there,have founded the steve biko center and there is the pocc chapter of brazil,for afrikan culture and afrikan spirituality,on which the government is thinking to make it like guyana,the national religion,we are working on it
we need everybody,we need yall family to travel and liason with afrikans in brazil get ideas,ya know,we have to liberate the lands,because,no matter where we go,yurugus own 99.9 percent of productive arable land in brazil,africa,west indies and in the united states of afrika
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What is sort of bothering me about some of the answers in this thread is, what we feel are the socio-cultural or infrastructural ingredients of Black liberation. I see us counting and mentioning the number of Negro colleges, wealthy Black folks, bookstores, Black entrepreneurs, and so forth. I’m trying to figure out what does these have to do with actual Black liberation?

The fact that some of the communities have so many Black colleges and businesses and are not experiencing Black liberation is what’s questionable and should make these places debatable!

Also in some cases, we are using demographics, as far as, how many Black people are there living per square mile; if that’s the case, than Nigeria should be the number one country, with possibly Lagos being the city of choice, that’s if we use that sort of logic alone, which I don't think we should.

It’s hard to answer this question wisely, because there will rarely be any place actually conducive for Black liberation. Revolutionary thought and action is about making a place conducive for Black liberation, and that’s if we have a proper and healthy definition of what is Black liberation! Remember, every place mentioned so far, was not always as progressive as some people perceive, and all of these places still have some sort of reactionary Negro or white controlling elite still in place and empowered.

Spelman wasn’t built by Black people for liberation; let’s get real! It was built like a few other Black colleges, for the descendants of slave masters and later was a color-struck school that fostered the success of a certain complex and mentality, and this goes for the history of Howard also.

Sometimes you got to look at places where you never expect, where Black minds are fertile and ready for guidance. The chain is only as strong as the weakest link.

You need Black liberating action in the cities and the rural areas (where do you think your strong grandfathers, grand-mama’s and big mama’s came from, along with most of the slave revolts!).

Plus you can only grow so much food between the cracks of sidewalks!


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All armies use Demographics/Population analysis to determine strategic tracking. As far as growing, Well if we look at Japan they don't have no Agriculture. One does not have to produce everything. If one can in fact produce something significant of which to trade. We are no longer living in the 60's and 70's. Alright, while everyone else is going to the woods by yourself without the millions of black folk, U all and the plants black folk in the cities just like the Jews in Europe we are captured, Held in these cities. Folk need to learn how to best survive in the concrete jungles. The reality as far as Mass Migration just like black folk moving to the North. They moved to escape the Klan and Jim Crow and supposed to be for the "Good Jobs" in the North. Our reality is that now we are dealing with more Global Forces and a so called Service Economy. A good % of black folk are not going to get up and move. Has it happened in history. Folk make move for different reasons and we should explore and analyze those reasons so we can make some logical conclusions. I know probably about 60-70% of black folk that tend to have lived in a certain area tend to stay. Well if U count the Affirmative Action Negro's that got a few token jobs and went to get YT Neighbors. These Negro's are not moving away from Massa. If Hurracaine Katrine did not cause a rise in book sales and folk wanting to learn about the system of Global White Supremacy then nothing major will outside an Atomic bomb dropped on All Black Cities. I guess now no need to drop a bomb they do it through Cancer, Heart Disease, HIV/AIDS, Genocide Black on Black Murder in service of Global White Terror Domination. There are no jobs in many cities though that is how the system has kept it. If folk do not have nothing to barter with nothing will change. If folk do not get some currencies, skills, cash flow we won't live to even think about travelling to say an Rural area. That is the reality of our conditions, but as I've done I've Maximized my analysis, Perfected the understanding of what are the options. YT's are taking land from Black Farmers what are we to do about that? Are we to pick up guns right now and fight for the land or do we wage Political and Economic Warfare above ground staying competitive and building functional communities based upon our competitive advantages, demographics and spending patterns. Though if its not about Demographics, I'll meet U in Dixie Duke, Alabama and lets see if we can get some land. Someone spoke of Preferences. There can not be per se Preferences. We do not have Preferences in this war. MOST i.e. 17 million black folk live in an Urban Environment and do not have a choice. Check my #'s but I believe it is 17 million, check Blueprint to Black Power for specifics. White folk realized they made a mistake by running to the burbs in the 60's. Now they have tamed the Negro's they are coming back for the infrastructe which cost Billions of dollars to build. This is not about Theorizing or what we'd like i.e. lets go to the woods and live, beat on some drums. What about Power? Yes, Land is Power, but land to do what? What would that land produce.
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If I'm not mistaken, Atlanta has the highest concentration of black owned businesses in the country.......Our liberation as a ppl will be mostly due to the control of our communities through economics and ownership; by keeping everything in our respective hoods black!! Circulating our dollars as many times as possible will help set us free from the begging cycle we have become accustom to.....I think out of all the predominately black cities in the U.S, and most llikley the western hemisphere, Atlanta has laid the ground work by actually being the first city in the late 20th and early 21st century to do it....... I Also think Chicago, Detroit, Oakland, and Houston could do it if they ever get their acts together.....

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I have lived in WI, TN, GA, AK, and AZ, and have "passed through" and spent time in nearly 20 states.

The common-theme amongst Africans everywhere is a people disconnected from purpose. ( I too was one of them)


My personal observation and preference is a city/place that is not land-locked. Considering the question, and the logistics, the identified city must have provable and accessible drinking water and arable land.

Obviously in my "view" there is a division of labor and the primary-purpose of land acquisition "ought" to be farming followed by low-tech manufacturing (furniture, clothing, household goods and small electricals). We must build our "Africanization" from the land-up.

That said, if in the U.S. somewhere in TN/MS/AL/GA would fit the bill. It is past-time that Africans began to think seriously about food-security. We are so removed from the production and processing of our own food that if food was cut-off or restricted, we'd be gonners in a matter of weeks.

The U.S. is now a net-importer of foods, and if you haven't noticed, farm-land is rapidly being "developed" to reduce the amount of farm-land nation-wide.

General, IMHO is more than correct to keep at us about reading certain books that are the "cornerstone" to a movement such as this. No sense in aggregating to a place and not have a plan, or "blue-print" to go on.

We need some linkeages. Pretty-soon most of us will come to the realization and acceptance that there is no leadership above us that can effectively lead us where we are trying to get.

One thing the "New Afrika" cannot be is a single point of failure, that means that support and income/revenue must be multi-source(d).

Planned-business connections and distrubution routes have to be identified, and linkeages made. Those who remain in other cities are the potential market for our goods ( I say "our" 'cause I'm coming).

As far as manufacturing goes, from a training perspective, Detroit is a good place being that many Africans have manufacturing experience, also the Carolinas where there are skilled furniture and textile workers. The key is to aggregate these people to one place and start our own industrializatin project.

China has no inherent or natural manufacturing advantage, it's just aht the greedy capitalists want the too-close-to-free labor! Atlanta is the IT-Integration/Implementation and regional sales headquarters for nearly all software and hardware and IT services consulting firms. Africans in Atlanta protentially serve to assist in the building of IT capacity within the African world, once those willing are brought-into New African vision.

Assuming we have an "in it to win it" attutude, china could not compete with us on labor because it will be a participatory/communcal set-up (right?).

Being in the U.S. gives us a time-to-market advantage and lower distribution costs! Pimp the free-trade agreements and we can take it to the world and develop a strategy to "industrialize" Africa, or work to be the primary trading partner of various African countries or Africa in general. Preferred, at least.

WE MUST DEVELOP THE STRATEGIES AND VISION FOR OUR AFRICAN FUTURE, WE HAVE THE SAME CAPACITY FOR VISION AND PLANNING AS ANY OTHER AFRICAN, EXCEPT WE DON'T HAVE THE "Y'ALL GON' GET US KILLED" MENTALITY THAT THE NEED2GROWS AND ASSIMILATIONISTS HAVE.

We may not ever identify an ideal city, though we can identify cities that are ideally situated for our purposes. There are 28 cities in the U.S. with a large African presence. Those cities, the Carribean, and continental-Africa become "our world."

Looking at that "map" it them becomes an aggregation and analysis of where we are as a "nation." Cull all the known and published information, break it down, and get a "rough-draft" of where we stand as a people.

Then comes the SWOT (Strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats) analysis of where we stand by certain measures:

1. Income
2. Non-Education
3. Social-stability
3. industrial capacity
4. Work-force
5. Prevailing job-market
6. market-opportunities

As Pan-Africanists, this is the type of information that we need to gather, it exists but not in one-place and in the hands of those who are about building a "New Africa." We need more than anecdotal information about the status of Africans, we need details.

We need the war planners, economic agenda planners, industrialization planners, education planners, and social planners to be reading from the same book executing the same agenda where-ever Africans exist.

Basically, we Africans of America must begin to take a "fresh eyes" look at Amerikkka, and begin to think strategically about coming up by adopting the mind of outsiders and non-immigrants that we are.

We Africans are interconnected, and even if such a city were to come into existence (rural) or urban, our strength is still in leveraging the connections that we have and must build-upon.

With good detailed information (dempgraphics) we can identify where and how capital is bleeding from our communities and plan strategically to take "market" action to capture those monies.

We can identify the housing-needs of our communities and put African men to work building homes for US.

We can set-up our own banks/credit unions or LETS system and fund our own schoold.

We are going to have to turn the weapon of consumerism against the need2grows and don't know no' betters and start recapturing that capital that is feeding yt.

I see no-other way around it. We basically are going to have to out-yt yt to get into the pockets of Africans (and others) to fund our liberation. The catch is to bring it full-circle and show by example.

IMHO, every city where Africans exist is as good a place as any for African liberation, though some serve a more strategic purpose, we must first come to overstand what that particular purpose is and how it serves our ambitions.


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Thumbs up blackcellent points creators college!

toronto is nota good place for afrikan liberation because people are dettached from the same values u just mentioned, co operative economics and sustainable development,everybody here is doing their own thang,you know,out here,we have blacks waging war on blacks,at workplace and on the streets.
there is acquisition of land here for farming purposes as well,let alone black owned business,toronto is very cut throat,coz,everybody is out for demselves here.bound to self destruct unfortunately.
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