Which city is most conducive to Afrikan Liberation?

[General]

Originally Posted by CreatorsCollege

Sho' U Right!

I have lived in WI, TN, GA, AK, and AZ, and have "passed through" and spent time in nearly 20 states.

The common-theme amongst Africans everywhere is a people disconnected from purpose. ( I too was one of them)


My personal observation and preference is a city/place that is not land-locked. Considering the question, and the logistics, the identified city must have provable and accessible drinking water and arable land.

Obviously in my "view" there is a division of labor and the primary-purpose of land acquisition "ought" to be farming followed by low-tech manufacturing (furniture, clothing, household goods and small electricals). We must build our "Africanization" from the land-up.

That said, if in the U.S. somewhere in TN/MS/AL/GA would fit the bill. It is past-time that Africans began to think seriously about food-security. We are so removed from the production and processing of our own food that if food was cut-off or restricted, we'd be gonners in a matter of weeks.

The U.S. is now a net-importer of foods, and if you haven't noticed, farm-land is rapidly being "developed" to reduce the amount of farm-land nation-wide.

General, IMHO is more than correct to keep at us about reading certain books that are the "cornerstone" to a movement such as this. No sense in aggregating to a place and not have a plan, or "blue-print" to go on.

We need some linkeages. Pretty-soon most of us will come to the realization and acceptance that there is no leadership above us that can effectively lead us where we are trying to get.

One thing the "New Afrika" cannot be is a single point of failure, that means that support and income/revenue must be multi-source(d).

Planned-business connections and distrubution routes have to be identified, and linkeages made. Those who remain in other cities are the potential market for our goods ( I say "our" 'cause I'm coming).

As far as manufacturing goes, from a training perspective, Detroit is a good place being that many Africans have manufacturing experience, also the Carolinas where there are skilled furniture and textile workers. The key is to aggregate these people to one place and start our own industrializatin project.

China has no inherent or natural manufacturing advantage, it's just aht the greedy capitalists want the too-close-to-free labor! Atlanta is the IT-Integration/Implementation and regional sales headquarters for nearly all software and hardware and IT services consulting firms. Africans in Atlanta protentially serve to assist in the building of IT capacity within the African world, once those willing are brought-into New African vision.

Assuming we have an "in it to win it" attutude, china could not compete with us on labor because it will be a participatory/communcal set-up (right?).

Being in the U.S. gives us a time-to-market advantage and lower distribution costs! Pimp the free-trade agreements and we can take it to the world and develop a strategy to "industrialize" Africa, or work to be the primary trading partner of various African countries or Africa in general. Preferred, at least.

WE MUST DEVELOP THE STRATEGIES AND VISION FOR OUR AFRICAN FUTURE, WE HAVE THE SAME CAPACITY FOR VISION AND PLANNING AS ANY OTHER AFRICAN, EXCEPT WE DON'T HAVE THE "Y'ALL GON' GET US KILLED" MENTALITY THAT THE NEED2GROWS AND ASSIMILATIONISTS HAVE.

We may not ever identify an ideal city, though we can identify cities that are ideally situated for our purposes. There are 28 cities in the U.S. with a large African presence. Those cities, the Carribean, and continental-Africa become "our world."

Looking at that "map" it them becomes an aggregation and analysis of where we are as a "nation." Cull all the known and published information, break it down, and get a "rough-draft" of where we stand as a people.

Then comes the SWOT (Strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats) analysis of where we stand by certain measures:

1. Income
2. Non-Education
3. Social-stability
3. industrial capacity
4. Work-force
5. Prevailing job-market
6. market-opportunities

As Pan-Africanists, this is the type of information that we need to gather, it exists but not in one-place and in the hands of those who are about building a "New Africa." We need more than anecdotal information about the status of Africans, we need details.

We need the war planners, economic agenda planners, industrialization planners, education planners, and social planners to be reading from the same book executing the same agenda where-ever Africans exist.

Basically, we Africans of America must begin to take a "fresh eyes" look at Amerikkka, and begin to think strategically about coming up by adopting the mind of outsiders and non-immigrants that we are.

We Africans are interconnected, and even if such a city were to come into existence (rural) or urban, our strength is still in leveraging the connections that we have and must build-upon.

With good detailed information (dempgraphics) we can identify where and how capital is bleeding from our communities and plan strategically to take "market" action to capture those monies.

We can identify the housing-needs of our communities and put African men to work building homes for US.

We can set-up our own banks/credit unions or LETS system and fund our own schoold.

We are going to have to turn the weapon of consumerism against the need2grows and don't know no' betters and start recapturing that capital that is feeding yt.

I see no-other way around it. We basically are going to have to out-yt yt to get into the pockets of Africans (and others) to fund our liberation. The catch is to bring it full-circle and show by example.

IMHO, every city where Africans exist is as good a place as any for African liberation, though some serve a more strategic purpose, we must first come to overstand what that particular purpose is and how it serves our ambitions.


Thanks for allowing me to share, I tend to "color outside the lines" but it's all "art" to me!

Brother, I think most folk on here agree with the TN, AL, GA, I've been watching what folk are doing there. I hope Midwest girl can not just throw out locations, but have some reasoning behind this. I also have suggested that we read seriously the work of Dr. Amos Wilson and Dr. Claud Anderson. Now, I have mentioned several things on this thread. There are certain cities that have good consumption spending of which a black wallstreet could be created. Also, Transportation and communication is critical. Yes, Water is critical as well. All Urban Environments in the US are not good for this. This is where WTR Treatment systems will have to be maintained. Texas is about to be taken over by Mexicans so I do not know why Midwest girl is mentioning this. This is what I mean by just putting out opinions and not being tactful. KNOW YOUR COMPETITOR! Mexicans are higher up on the Racial exceptability list. They have no intentions on making allies with black folk. They are interested in Subordinating black people and taking away what little jobs black folk have. This war is about resources of the planet. Black folk lack advantages in most Southwest U.S. Mexico, Texas, Califonia.
Again as far as drinking water, outside of the Flouride again the Infastructure is their. It does though need billions of dollars in development. If folk were serious, let me put it out there again, Most of the folk on here are disconnected from our people. Washington, D.C. has all of the Afrikan Embassies in one City. Does anyone ever think ever Diplomatic relations would enter the picture i.e. communicating with Global Embassies? Brother CC, I'm currently reading a book by George Ayitte, Afrika Unchained, The Future of Afrika. What U R speaking of Industrializing Afrika is critical, because I do not believe since we are in fact outnumbered here we would need a base to build an army. I do not see a 20th or 21st century army happening in the U.S. That would be a long range objective. Many of us do not have the capital and have not organized a group of people to do this low-cost. What about the phone systems, rail, roadways, Yes, for distribution purposes this is valuable and we do not have to speak 100 langauges and have translators every 25-50 miles as in Afrika. This could slow down production. We need to have work ethic in whatever we do. Too many folk want to play on drums for four/five hours a day. Folks want consumer goods. I don't need somethings, but decent housing, quality food, protection from the elements are critical.

[General]

I honestly have not considered Klanada as Kentake would say. In the Western Hemisphere there are what 100 to 200 million, I need help on this? 50 million brazil, 40 million blacks in America a few more sprinkled through South America/Central America and Carribean, Klanada. I did not mention Brazil in this thread as well. I believe that most of the development and wealth came to the United States i.e. North America. We should and have to manipulate what little resources we can from YT Gov and Institutions yes that includes YT colleges, but I would be in their heated and rejecting most of the info. I probably would get a D average because I wouldn't want to study most of the mess that is not preparing me for Health, Wealth and Knowledge of Self. I appreciate all of the post. We certainly have to think and do. I'm not on here just theorizing, I'm building on what I am doing i.e. working. I take what I get on here and go DO! The thing is to know our limitations. Anyway, I think that some folk would want to study in Baltimore. I said that Baltimore has more books about Afrikan people than any other place on the planet i.e. updated info. Did I mention that earlier. Alright, Just so U all will know. I won't say I told U so. This means this, Many Negro Professors are not telling black college students this in Baltimore and the hole State of Maryland because these Negro's would be out of a job. Question if U all R organizing do you think that it is valuable to have quick access to references to look up info at a seconds notice. I know we have the internet, though I believe now this is just my opinion. I do consider myself special, because I spent time researching books and authors that I know that other black folk on the planet could not have heard about. These books just sit for years and there are many brothers all over the planet that this warehouse is the only way that anyone will know about them. I have to find out about these people. No one else is reading their thoughts, connecting to them. They feel alone abandoned by their people because no one knows they exist. They only can get their knowledge out through black bookstores and many of them are closing. Anyway, I need some help with reading and connecting to these folks. Many folk will not know about Assatashakur.org they do not even know about Assata. Many Need to Grows do not go to the black bookstore and stay for a while because it is in the Black part of the city. I'm done brothers. Peace

[Kweku_Omowale]

wow,there are so much work to be done isnt brother,when i was in brazil,some afrikans there,knows about assata,mumia and others,i will be back later...

[Kweku_Omowale]

if afrikans in america can teach afrikans in brazil some stuff,why not,learn and grow,it is part of the grand scheme of things,you know,the exchange of knowledge,each one teach one,somebody mentioned rural areas,as malcom x said" nebraska was the stranglehold of the klan and klan activities",how is pan afrikanism in mississipi,mississipi is a place with people with strong afrikan roots,i know dat dont mean they are conscious,i just wonder,besides atlanta,if alabama is strong and mississipi,what do you say general,i know,our dear brother daisho is from that belt region.
* waiting for your reply*

[Nesayem]

Realistically nowhere in the country would adequately provide for the needs for Afrikan people. All over this country people are living below the poverty line and have very limited resources. With see this happening in every major metropolitan area. In the large metro-areas that were mentioned such as Detroit, Atlanta, Los Angeles, and Chicago to name a few there are plenty of Afrikan people but white people control the monopoly. It might look form a distance like Afrikans are doing something in Atlanta and other places but this is just a superficial image. Like mentioned earlier in this thread, look at the corporate infrastructure of Atlanta. White people own the economy and we work for them.

I’m guessing in the near future we will see circumstances in Atlanta quite similar to what we experienced in New Orleans. New Orleans was called “chocolate city� and known for being a haven for Afrikans, if hurricane Katrina was a natural disaster or a planned attack can be debated (I wont even get into that) but given the type of corporations that exist in Atlanta such as the center for disease control and numerous military facility’s it is only a matter of time before we see attacks against Afrikan people.

This can be said of many metro-areas. They all have corporations in place that can have an effect on our physical health on down to our livelihood.

I would like to point something out real quick …

Rank Company Revenues ($ millions) Profits ($ millions)
1 Wal-Mart Stores 288,189.0 10,267.0
2 Exxon Mobil 270,772.0 25,330.0
3 General Motors 193,517.0 2,805.0
4 Ford Motor 172,233.0 3,487.0
5 General Electric 152,363.0 16,593.0
6 Chevron Texaco 147,967.0 13,328.0
8 Citigroup 108,276.0 17,046.0
9 American Intl. Group 98,610.0 11,050.0
10 Intl. Business Machines 96,293.0 8,430.0

I got this list from the Fortune 500 Company’s site and what I wanted to show is that these corporations exist in every metro area. Also, at least in the state of California, Chevron, Exxon, and other refineries are located in areas where there are a lot of Afrikan people. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you want but I’ve got my mind made up that they were very strategic in the placement of the refineries and such.

Now that we know that our lives can be threaten by pollution, chemical agents, and so fourth, would you really want to have a mass movement of Afrikans to any city in this country? It seems that if we are concentrated into one particular area they would really have the upper hand. For example the Move family...

I can continue with this but at the idea of boring you all I'll just stop here..

[Kefentse_Bandele]

Originally Posted by Nesayem

Realistically nowhere in the country would adequately provide for the needs for Afrikan people. All over this country people are living below the poverty line and have very limited resources. With see this happening in every major metropolitan area. In the large metro-areas that were mentioned such as Detroit, Atlanta, Los Angeles, and Chicago to name a few there are plenty of Afrikan people but white people control the monopoly. It might look form a distance like Afrikans are doing something in Atlanta and other places but this is just a superficial image. Like mentioned earlier in this thread, look at the corporate infrastructure of Atlanta. White people own the economy and we work for them.

I’m guessing in the near future we will see circumstances in Atlanta quite similar to what we experienced in New Orleans. New Orleans was called “chocolate city� and known for being a haven for Afrikans, if hurricane Katrina was a natural disaster or a planned attack can be debated (I wont even get into that) but given the type of corporations that exist in Atlanta such as the center for disease control and numerous military facility’s it is only a matter of time before we see attacks against Afrikan people.

This can be said of many metro-areas. They all have corporations in place that can have an effect on our physical health on down to our livelihood.

I would like to point something out real quick …

Rank Company Revenues ($ millions) Profits ($ millions)
1 Wal-Mart Stores 288,189.0 10,267.0
2 Exxon Mobil 270,772.0 25,330.0
3 General Motors 193,517.0 2,805.0
4 Ford Motor 172,233.0 3,487.0
5 General Electric 152,363.0 16,593.0
6 Chevron Texaco 147,967.0 13,328.0
8 Citigroup 108,276.0 17,046.0
9 American Intl. Group 98,610.0 11,050.0
10 Intl. Business Machines 96,293.0 8,430.0

I got this list from the Fortune 500 Company’s site and what I wanted to show is that these corporations exist in every metro area. Also, at least in the state of California, Chevron, Exxon, and other refineries are located in areas where there are a lot of Afrikan people. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you want but I’ve got my mind made up that they were very strategic in the placement of the refineries and such.

Now that we know that our lives can be threaten by pollution, chemical agents, and so fourth, would you really want to have a mass movement of Afrikans to any city in this country? It seems that if we are concentrated into one particular area they would really have the upper hand. For example the Move family...

I can continue with this but at the idea of boring you all I'll just stop here..

very true Nesayem...

hey dont forget about "THEIR" teacher in your signature....Chancellor Williams

[Nia Maishani]

Originally Posted by Simba Nerevu

Peace General. I think that for those who choose to struggle in the cities then we need to maximize their strategic value to the movement as well.

Demetri Marshall, former president of the PG-RNA developed a New African National Strategy that identified three key areas for organizing: rural areas in the national territory (AL, GA, LA, MS, SC), urban areas in the national territory (cities in the aforementioned states), and areas outside of the national territory. This approach seems most logical to me as it reflects our attempting to solve our problems from a multidimensional perspective.

My point is that for the people who prefer cities then struggle, build, and organize there. For the people who prefer the rural areas then struggle, build, and organize there. For those Afrikans who want to get out of the U.S. to the Caribbean, Africa, kwk then struggle, build, and organize there. The key theme here is struggling, building, organizing.

Lastly, I think that these are not mutually negating agendas. I maintain that what we do in one space can enhance what we do everywhere else-if our efforts are well coordinated and integrated within a sound strategic framework. I suspect the absence of this is one of our greatest weaknesses.

I wonder to what degree the African Hebrew Israellite model may be instructive here. http://kingdomofyah.com/kingdom-enterprises.htm Notice the integration of their varied initiatives rural and urban, U.S.-based and international.

SN

Peace & power all,

I think the above post most closely resembles my own line of thinking on this. I did see several other important points made as well, so forgive me for jumping around with my own two cents:

Now in a perfect world, all Afrikans across the globe would want to separate from all that is non-conducive to Afrikan liberation (including separation from those who do not look like us, & do not have our interest anyplace but pinned underneath their heels). In a perfect world, all Afrikans across the globe would want to live communally, rurally, away from the ogo()-controlled cities.

The best we can make of the present situation is to diversify strategy--working from all angles, instead of against any given circumstance. Why work against (or outside of) those of our people who are going to inevitably remain in the cities (and states)?

Diasporan (New) Afrikans have at our disposal all the necessary tools, resources & know-how to effect Pan-Afrikan liberation, and we are looked to by other Afrikans globally as the engineers of Pan-Afrikan liberation. It will not work to present or implement any monolithic strategy or tactic. Nevertheless, I do believe that the idea of "taking over" an entire community or city is indeed possible. Such strategy however would not necessitate any migration. The people are already there in significant enough numbers, but simply need to be effectively organized and swayed toward the plan of liberation.

I will reiterate here what I stated in another thread: we cannot command or expect anyone to divorce themselves from whatever harmful situation they find themselves in if we do not already have in place a better, healthier and more feasible alternative.

As someone else mentioned, all the cities listed are conducive to Afrikan liberation, and might I add, especially those cities (such as New York) which are home to the worst states of oppression and injustice in the land. Such a place and state (of existence) is the most ripened for uprising.

The common thread of desire for radical change, and the spirit of Pan-Afrikanism runs through so many corners of the world, from city to city, state to state, nation to nation, not missing any major spot on the globe. The task is to trace that thread, strengthen and build the connections, and rather than debate this or that strategy, remain focused on the common goal of liberation, utilizing various strategies as they best fit particular circumstances.

[Nia Maishani]

Originally Posted by CreatorsCollege

We may not ever identify an ideal city, though we can identify cities that are ideally situated for our purposes. There are 28 cities in the U.S. with a large African presence. Those cities, the Carribean, and continental-Africa become "our world."

Looking at that "map" it them becomes an aggregation and analysis of where we are as a "nation." Cull all the known and published information, break it down, and get a "rough-draft" of where we stand as a people.

Then comes the SWOT (Strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats) analysis of where we stand by certain measures:

1. Income
2. Non-Education
3. Social-stability
3. industrial capacity
4. Work-force
5. Prevailing job-market
6. market-opportunities

As Pan-Africanists, this is the type of information that we need to gather, it exists but not in one-place and in the hands of those who are about building a "New Africa." We need more than anecdotal information about the status of Africans, we need details.

We need the war planners, economic agenda planners, industrialization planners, education planners, and social planners to be reading from the same book executing the same agenda where-ever Africans exist.

Basically, we Africans of America must begin to take a "fresh eyes" look at Amerikkka, and begin to think strategically about coming up by adopting the mind of outsiders and non-immigrants that we are.

We Africans are interconnected, and even if such a city were to come into existence (rural) or urban, our strength is still in leveraging the connections that we have and must build-upon.

With good detailed information (dempgraphics) we can identify where and how capital is bleeding from our communities and plan strategically to take "market" action to capture those monies.

We can identify the housing-needs of our communities and put African men to work building homes for US.

We can set-up our own banks/credit unions or LETS system and fund our own schoold.

We are going to have to turn the weapon of consumerism against the need2grows and don't know no' betters and start recapturing that capital that is feeding yt.

I see no-other way around it. We basically are going to have to out-yt yt to get into the pockets of Africans (and others) to fund our liberation. The catch is to bring it full-circle and show by example.

IMHO, every city where Africans exist is as good a place as any for African liberation, though some serve a more strategic purpose, we must first come to overstand what that particular purpose is and how it serves our ambitions.

Thanks for allowing me to share, I tend to "color outside the lines" but it's all "art" to me!

Indeed! So many fine points made above. In fact, a wise man has said that if we were to pool a mere 5-10% of the income of ONLY Afrikans in amerikkka, we will have enough capital to develop sufficient infrastructure throughout the Afrikan continent. That 5-10% of disposable income from Afrikans here on this continent amounts to perhaps a fraction of the portion of earnings that get wasted on non-neccessities anyway! The task here is to identify just how to sieze that pot of gold and redirect it back to where it belongs.

[avtar_malcolmx]

Atlanta is the Empire State of the South and the Gate Way to the Black Belt/ Black Cresent/ Southern Tier of the Southern US of A.

we of the Southern Tier Nationalist-RepubliKan movement advocate the Liberation of Georgia the annexing of South Carolina and eastern Alabama, this we call the CASA de Negro (house of the Blacks) to be the spring board for the full liberation of the Republic of New AfriKa!

As of last fall the Western half of the Republic was destroyed by Katrina, so by the grace of the Ultimid reality we now have to totally rebuild that area, and the best part is that the WHITE minority in that area wants to move on away (Ellah hu AKBAR).

With the Western half under reconstruction we can WORK 100% on the Eastern half consolidate it and then look to the west!

Jeruslem(Atlanta) is the gathering place, as of now we are in a COLD insergency, but at any time this can become a HOT GUERRILLA WAR, and when that day comes we of the DMT ARMED GUERRILLAS will engage the forces of OPPRESSION and OCCUPATION by all means at our disposal.

DMT(Disciples of Malcolm X's Teachings) is a cellular movment that incourages unilattaral action from the local level, cell commanders have the ability to act with out the sanction of the Governing Body of the NAT-REP Movement and the pgRNA ministry of Defence.

[Mamazen]

Originally Posted by General

What about Power? Yes, Land is Power, but land to do what? What would that land produce.

FOOD!!!!
MEDICINE (herbal)!!
WATER catchment systems can be established on your land.


We talk about powenomics and such but in the meantime we are still getting our food from yt. We are still getting medicines from yt. When it comes down to it, we need to control as many of our necessities for our health and well being as possible.

Can't carry on a revolution for change if we are slowly being poisoned by those we are revolting against and dying before we can effect any change.

I've read powernomics by Dr. Anderson. Reading is fine but when are we going to stop reading and acually put it to action?

I'm in a rural area and I have managed to establish contacts and network with other sisters here to barter food and other necessities. They were suprised and skeptical at first, but they know I mean business. I own my land outright, no mortgage. I have established orchards on it. I've started to organically farm the land. I have a water catchment system in place on the land, and I will be setting up a wind system for energy consumption.

Like Creators College said, One has to show by example.

[Kimani]

thanks to all for their participation thus far, certainly useful info and comments; i am reflecting on many of these statements; but i have to be honest my first reaction is that some of the statements are a bit defeatist; i will add more about what i think about specific, cities, rural areas later but wanted to make a general statement now; when i first joined this forum the thing that attracted me the most was the apparent offensive-defensive prepartion that some of our members was advocating/engaged in: weapons training, martial arts training and the likes; no matter where we (Afrikan Liberators) are, we are going to have to defend against european imperialism, hegemony, aggression, attacks, if for no other reasons than that we are Afrikan Liberators; whether this be in Afrika, amerikka, South/Central Amerikka, whereeva;

there is no place where we can go now and escape the influence/threats of europeans or other anti-Afrikan forces; although it helps to bring clarity to the things we should think about in considering an area more or less conducive for Afrikan Liberation, to state that a city/rural area is not conducive because of the presence of european corporations, military facilities, anti-Afrikan ideologies, white people, or Negros is to not say much at all; are we saying that we dont have the power, will never have the power to defend, protect ourselves from these everpresent, seemingly omnipresent, counter-revolutionary, anti-Afrikan, pro-european forces?; these same corporations, Negro-types, military units,etc are present in Afrika, along with other european supra-nationalists entities like the IMF, World Bank, Catholic Charities, the UndoiN (UN) etc etc etc; is the presence of Negros an unsurmountable barrier? the presence of corporations? the presence of whites?; me, i have the utmost confidence in our ability to change these places and defend ourselves against any and all threats (with our Afrikanness, our assertiveness, and our presence); with the right training and preparation that is;

there is a degree of "mass consolidation" of like-minded Afrikan Liberators that seems absolutely necessary for any serious movement toward Afrikan Liberation; the more unity, consolidation, the more, i think we place ourselves in a position to defend ourselves, implement our projects, change the world, save our people; this consolidation must be mass, or as mass as we can make it, cant merely be through electronic networks, annual conferences; periodic planning meetings, etc; in my opinion it also requires some sort of spatial, proximate-consolidation (true Afrikan Liberators have to live together, close to each other): to sustain each other, support each other, live, work together, defend each other, study and plan together; whether this be in a city or rural area; any serious plan toward Afrikan Liberator necessiates such a "centralized hub-area", for lack of better words; do we want, feel its necessary to bring a sort of "Afrikan Liberation centralized hub area" into existence?; if so, where would it be and why? is the question here; and where/when do start converging on this area? could be an additional question.

[Kweku_Omowale]

Originally Posted by Nesayem

Realistically nowhere in the country would adequately provide for the needs for Afrikan people. All over this country people are living below the poverty line and have very limited resources. With see this happening in every major metropolitan area. In the large metro-areas that were mentioned such as Detroit, Atlanta, Los Angeles, and Chicago to name a few there are plenty of Afrikan people but white people control the monopoly. It might look form a distance like Afrikans are doing something in Atlanta and other places but this is just a superficial image. Like mentioned earlier in this thread, look at the corporate infrastructure of Atlanta. White people own the economy and we work for them.

I’m guessing in the near future we will see circumstances in Atlanta quite similar to what we experienced in New Orleans. New Orleans was called “chocolate city� and known for being a haven for Afrikans, if hurricane Katrina was a natural disaster or a planned attack can be debated (I wont even get into that) but given the type of corporations that exist in Atlanta such as the center for disease control and numerous military facility’s it is only a matter of time before we see attacks against Afrikan people.

This can be said of many metro-areas. They all have corporations in place that can have an effect on our physical health on down to our livelihood.

I would like to point something out real quick …

Rank Company Revenues ($ millions) Profits ($ millions)
1 Wal-Mart Stores 288,189.0 10,267.0
2 Exxon Mobil 270,772.0 25,330.0
3 General Motors 193,517.0 2,805.0
4 Ford Motor 172,233.0 3,487.0
5 General Electric 152,363.0 16,593.0
6 Chevron Texaco 147,967.0 13,328.0
8 Citigroup 108,276.0 17,046.0
9 American Intl. Group 98,610.0 11,050.0
10 Intl. Business Machines 96,293.0 8,430.0

I got this list from the Fortune 500 Company’s site and what I wanted to show is that these corporations exist in every metro area. Also, at least in the state of California, Chevron, Exxon, and other refineries are located in areas where there are a lot of Afrikan people. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you want but I’ve got my mind made up that they were very strategic in the placement of the refineries and such.

Now that we know that our lives can be threaten by pollution, chemical agents, and so fourth, would you really want to have a mass movement of Afrikans to any city in this country? It seems that if we are concentrated into one particular area they would really have the upper hand. For example the Move family...

I can continue with this but at the idea of boring you all I'll just stop here..

alafia ness!

some one had mentioned earlier about rural areas,no where in north amerikkka rural area is safer for afrikans,on the contrary,as me and kentake was talking, rural areas are the least safe be in amerikkka or kanada,malcom x was born in nebraska and during that time there barely any black person in nebraska,you have spoken ness.truth to power,it is justa matter of time,they start the genocide/infanticide of afrikan peoples,like they did in new orleans,like the neville brothers say" louisiana,they tried to wash us away!"

[Nia Maishani]

Originally Posted by kimani

there is no place where we can go now and escape the influence/threats of europeans or other anti-Afrikan forces;

there is a degree of "mass consolidation" of like-minded Afrikan Liberators that seems absolutely necessary for any serious movement toward Afrikan Liberation; the more unity, consolidation, the more, i think we place ourselves in a position to defend ourselves, implement our projects, change the world, save our people; this consolidation must be mass, or as mass as we can make it, cant merely be through electronic networks, annual conferences; periodic planning meetings, etc; in my opinion it also requires some sort of spatial, proximate-consolidation (true Afrikan Liberators have to live together, close to each other): to sustain each other, support each other, live, work together, defend each other, study and plan together; whether this be in a city or rural area; any serious plan toward Afrikan Liberator necessiates such a "centralized hub-area", for lack of better words; do we want, feel its necessary to bring a sort of "Afrikan Liberation centralized hub area" into existence?; if so, where would it be and why? is the question here; and where/when do start converging on this area? could be an additional question.

Because of the history of successful attack and detruction on our people when we have concentrated ourselves into one place and begun to do the work as an identifiable group to reckon with, I can not advocate our mobilization into a "centralized hub area," unless and until we have properly prepared to defend ourselves against attack. I can not stress this strongly enough. We can look at the fate of groups like MOVE (who did have *some* defense mechanism in place though not extensive enough), Greenwood (Oklahoma), the Florida family, even the Waco and Hurricane FEMA-Bush victims (who were not even organized as a New Afrikan Liberation family). I don't know how much of those situations was a matter of being unprepared to effectively defend & protect, and how much was a simple matter of being easily identifiable as a good number and constituency to exterminate. In that regard, I think I can echo the sentiment of Sister Nes, that we are not safe anyplace as a concentrated group working for collective liberation, or working for anything for that matter.

I have to admit here that I am and have been for many years concerned about Atlanta. Atlanta is not only a black city, but for years, a large number of New Afrikans have been migrating there. Everyone knows this, and it concerns me. I am also concerned about New Jersey, according to what I've read. We need to all be aware of the concept of "useless eaters" which says in part that groups of especially working class and unemployed persons need to be wiped out in order that the elite can maintain control and monopoly of the Earth and her resources. According to Dr. John Coleman for example--and he started saying this well over a decade ago--major amerikkkan cities are going to be targeted with various forms of mass murder tactics on the people. It is not a coincidence that we already see the evidence of his (and others') warning being fulfilled. The main thing is we need to get out of amerikkka, but we must first prepare ourselves very extensively, as well as help those to prepare who will stay behind. There must be organizing going on simultaneously in all cities and regions.

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Originally Posted by mamazen

FOOD!!!!
MEDICINE (herbal)!!
WATER catchment systems can be established on your land.


We talk about powenomics and such but in the meantime we are still getting our food from yt. We are still getting medicines from yt. When it comes down to it, we need to control as many of our necessities for our health and well being as possible.

Can't carry on a revolution for change if we are slowly being poisoned by those we are revolting against and dying before we can effect any change.

I've read powernomics by Dr. Anderson. Reading is fine but when are we going to stop reading and acually put it to action?

I'm in a rural area and I have managed to establish contacts and network with other sisters here to barter food and other necessities. They were suprised and skeptical at first, but they know I mean business. I own my land outright, no mortgage. I have established orchards on it. I've started to organically farm the land. I have a water catchment system in place on the land, and I will be setting up a wind system for energy consumption.

Like Creators College said, One has to show by example.

Sista, I am a member of MATAH Network as well as a Proponent of the Powernomics Movement. I assume you are not being specific by saying "When are we going to do more than talk". I personally am engaged in real work, meaning this. Sista Nia and/or someone else suggested that "No where" is good for us. The reality is that as REVOLUTIONARIES we must think like Revolutionaries. Everywhere, Everything and Everyone is a potential tool, weapon, ally or an enemy. Our mission should be to Maximize our Quest for freedom in all areas. Now, I personally am connected about 10 minutes to More Afrikan people all over the world than anyone else on the planet. I think that if folk are serious about organizing they would ensure that they are not isolated and can reach Millions of Afrikan people throughout the world as I have attempted to do. Again, Many have tried collective whole food Coops. It has been partially successful. I assure U of this sista, I am doing the real work. Meaning, making intelligent assessments based upon the absolute best analysis.

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Originally Posted by Nia Maishani

Because of the history of successful attack and detruction on our people when we have concentrated ourselves into one place and begun to do the work as an identifiable group to reckon with, I can not advocate our mobilization into a "centralized hub area," unless and until we have properly prepared to defend ourselves against attack. I can not stress this strongly enough. We can look at the fate of groups like MOVE (who did have *some* defense mechanism in place though not extensive enough), Greenwood (Oklahoma), the Florida family, even the Waco and Hurricane FEMA-Bush victims (who were not even organized as a New Afrikan Liberation family). I don't know how much of those situations was a matter of being unprepared to effectively defend & protect, and how much was a simple matter of being easily identifiable as a good number and constituency to exterminate. In that regard, I think I can echo the sentiment of Sister Nes, that we are not safe anyplace as a concentrated group working for collective liberation, or working for anything for that matter.

I have to admit here that I am and have been for many years concerned about Atlanta. Atlanta is not only a black city, but for years, a large number of New Afrikans have been migrating there. Everyone knows this, and it concerns me. I am also concerned about New Jersey, according to what I've read. We need to all be aware of the concept of "useless eaters" which says in part that groups of especially working class and unemployed persons need to be wiped out in order that the elite can maintain control and monopoly of the Earth and her resources. According to Dr. John Coleman for example--and he started saying this well over a decade ago--major amerikkkan cities are going to be targeted with various forms of mass murder tactics on the people. It is not a coincidence that we already see the evidence of his (and others') warning being fulfilled. The main thing is we need to get out of amerikkka, but we must first prepare ourselves very extensively, as well as help those to prepare who will stay behind. There must be organizing going on simultaneously in all cities and regions.

Again History is best to reward our research. Folks can continue and wishful thinking will call us to mass migrate. Suffice to say, Historically accurate there has been no mass exodus outside influences of Europeans providing jobs. I am very sophisticated and researched in Do For Self Philosophies. I am not located in the Black Belt area though I would be willing to move to these locations very tactfully. Inside of the belly of the beast America there are certain things that Corporate America will not do. Though, My position is have folks seriously Maximized operations against Oppression where they are? As I mentioned many folk will do a lecture about Timbucktu and Luxor though then attend YT schools for advanced Education. What about our own learning centers i.e. Schumburg and Afrikan World Books in Baltimore where I study??? Anyway, First move is to not be isolated in the world by White Power. Anyway, As I said sometimes we need to be Economically prudent and fiscally responsible. We need to perfect, employment, token politics, economics, health the forces of Globalization. Where can one best take back land? I say the best places are where U have Populations, Economics and Politics. We CAN NOT afford to be fatalist and say that NO Where do we have POWER! We have #'s power. Talk about POWER! Everything revolves around POWER! Organize ourselves based upon Black Power research. Meaning that U can not be living "AWAY" from Afrikan people and come online chatting about Power. We don't need to open ranks we need to close ranks. If a large % of black people according to research by Dr. Amos Wilson if we are in the Cities trapped we must organize and be prepared to fight right there. How many people can anyone on here get to move out to the Rural community. As a General it is my business and should be U all businesses to know the Demographics of Afrikan people all over the world. Their strengths, weaknesses, Opportunities, Threats. We should know this and get with those that are finding out. We can not afford to be disconnected. How many of you have studied at Schumburg or have access to Dr. Ben's Library? Stand and fight with your people. Don't run just because we can! Plant a foot in the sand. If sista read Powernomics then that is a start. This is not just talk, but we can ill afford lack of research. I appreciate though every idea on this forum. We need to work. Some of us are doing the work. Check out MATAH as well if folk say they are serious!