Which city is most conducive to Afrikan Liberation?

[Kimani]

"The Negroes have no Zion. There is no place where they can go today and not be subject to worse caste and greater disabilities from the dominant white imperialistic world than they suffer here today." --Dubois

having said that; what city would be most conducive to Afrikan Liberation?; my imagination gets the best of me sometimes...i have seriously envisioned like-minded Afrikan Liberators "taking over a city" ; relocating in mass;buying up property; etc etc etc; and then seriously be about the bizness of creating something of our own; is this a ridiculous idea? which city would it be? why? which cities, if any, can we absolutely exclude? why?

[Kimani]

i'm thinking...

[MidWestGirl]

If I'm not mistaken, Atlanta has the highest concentration of black owned businesses in the country.......Our liberation as a ppl will be mostly due to the control of our communities through economics and ownership; by keeping everything in our respective hoods black!! Circulating our dollars as many times as possible will help set us free from the begging cycle we have become accustom to.....I think out of all the predominately black cities in the U.S, and most llikley the western hemisphere, Atlanta has laid the ground work by actually being the first city in the late 20th and early 21st century to do it....... I Also think Chicago, Detroit, Oakland, and Houston could do it if they ever get their acts together.....

[Sadiku]

Oakland, California has always had good potential and it is strategically located. It is located near "powerhouse" institutions such as U.C. Berkeley, Stamford, etc... It has a history of being a city with Black consciousness, i.e. Black self-awareness, group pride, and a Black "change" mentality exists within the city itself.

I chose Atlanta, although I feel it has not proven itself, and it has had plenty of opportunity. It reminds me of D.C. - too Black, yet so damn weak.

Harare, Zimbabwe does have potential but it is squandering and pilfering it's resources - it's people.

Also Accra, Ghana has potential. Much positive movement is going on there and they have offered to try and reconnect us (Blacks in America) back to the motherland, which is definitely Sankofa and would be going in the right direction of creating a "Black Mecca."

Regardless to what city, an "educated" and then re-educated Black population is what is needed. You need a decent mentality to work with first, and then you can propell it into freethinking mode, which is liberation.

[Kimani]

okay, i'm going to stick with my initial thought; i am going out on a limb and state that my bias is for a united snakkes city, particularly for Afrikans in America; it cant hurt too much, can it?; Atlanta: Atlanta appears to be the only city in the united snakes where Blacks have any real political and economic power that seems to be somewhat enduring over the long term;the Blacks in Atlanta appear to be as aggressive, entrepenural as whites, and are not going to let go of this power without a fight, or so it seems; every other city in this country appears to be undergoing dramatic transformation in demographics, power (i.e., yt is taking them "back" over, pushing blacks out through rising housing cost, section 8 vouchers, etc); chicago (i watched this happen, and its gaining momentum); new york, somewhat already; DC; the only city that i would exclude initially is probably Johannesburg and much of Azania; Azania appear to be moving in the opposite direction of Afrikan Liberation; it would be a hard row to hoe, already is, for true Afrikan Liberators in that country.

[Kentake]

Hotep family!,
I'm in Montreal ,Canada but....as far as i heard ATLANTA is the place that is most conducive 2 Afreekan liberation! my sistah-friend down here went there for the BLACK MIDWIVES CONFERENCE and she said it was THE BOMB!! she was amazed at the knowledge and dedication of the sistahs she met while there. also my biological sistah moved there in 2002. i have heard numerous stories about the dedication of Afreekans in Atl. and also it seems 2 be the center of most pan-afreekan workshops, activities, conferences and in general strategies for our global liberation as Afreekan ppl. however, as some1 who has spent considerable time in Accra, Ghana i would vote ACCRA as a close 2nd! this is based on my personal experiences in Accra at the W.E.B DUBOIS CENTER, KWAME NKRUMAH MAUSELEOM (where his remains are to this day) and in general congregating with other Afreekans towards the incentive of nation-building. actually, i would really have to include Cape Coast and Elmina as well, (which are both outside Accra) because that is where i have my fondest memories of building with other Afreekans, ALL of whom i still communicate with by email. Blackxcellent thread! UHURU!


SANKOFA!,
Sistah Kentake.

[Asafo37]

Does this question exclude rural living i.e. building communities outside of the "city" as most conducive to Afrikan liberation?

i don't mean to throw off your thread and...i don't believe there is a "city" most conducive to Afrikan liberation. Most of Afrika is rural and this has a profound impact on Our spirituality and entire way of life. It ain't been long since most of people in amerikkka lived a primarily rural life in this country as well. i see urbanization, as largely antagonistic to what is primary for genuine human development and by this i am refering to development in a non-industrialized sense. i think cities, particularly as they exist today, are mainly for consumption...and that over time they typically get out of hand warping human relationships as well as Our relationships to the earth/environment in an exploitative manner. In my mind if there were a city that would be conducive to Afrikan liberation it would have to be fundamentally reconceptualized to create checks and balances to compensate for potentially dangerous growth. In these days and times, much of what is required to maintain city 'living' is intolerably exploitative and in total unalignment with what makes sense in terms of the damage it causes to the earth. Land is key and i think that this is more than a political reality. That is, i think Our relationship (and responsibility) to the earth goes much deeper than Our political beliefs and or aspirations.

Asafo37

[Asafo37]

Mind you i have strong ties to atlanta and here are a few reasons why i don't consider it to be the ideal place if/when sh*t hits the fan in no particular order:

1. Center for Dis-ease Control (CDC) storehouse of every known dis-ease white folks could find, store and cultivate for "research". If that stuff got out...
2. Coca Cola - symbol of western hegemony all around the world. prime target...
3. Fort McPherson Military Base - where most troops are shipped out to iraq from. prime target...
4. Lockheed Martin - Builds top secret weapons, military technology for u.s. industrial complex. prime target...
5. Turner Broadcasting - which includes "cnn" and "aol time warner" - promoting amerikkkan propaganda all over the world. prime target...

Asafo37

[Kimani]

Originally Posted by Asafo37

Does this question exclude rural living i.e. building communities outside of the "city" as most conducive to Afrikan liberation?

i don't mean to throw off your thread and...i don't believe there is a "city" most conducive to Afrikan liberation. Most of Afrika is rural and this has a profound impact on Our spirituality and entire way of life. It ain't been long since most of people in amerikkka lived a primarily rural life in this country as well. i see urbanization, as largely antagonistic to what is primary for genuine human development and by this i am refering to development in a non-industrialized sense. i think cities, particularly as they exist today, are mainly for consumption...and that over time they typically get out of hand warping human relationships as well as Our relationships to the earth/environment in an exploitative manner. In my mind if there were a city that would be conducive to Afrikan liberation it would have to be fundamentally reconceptualized to create checks and balances to compensate for potentially dangerous growth. In these days and times, much of what is required to maintain city 'living' is intolerably exploitative and in total unalignment with what makes sense in terms of the damage it causes to the earth. Land is key and i think that this is more than a political reality. That is, i think Our relationship (and responsibility) to the earth goes much deeper than Our political beliefs and or aspirations.

Asafo37

great point, and quite consistent with the general idea here: is there a way to edit the poll to include "No City, A Rural Area"? its an important option, worthy of its own category, no doubt; "The city is media!": so says Marimba Ani.

[Escobar]

ALANTA

[General]

Baltimore, MD. Close to D.C. though not officially D.C. Baltimore and Washington D.C. are two of the closest Black Cities. Prince Georges County, MD has the wealthiest blacks in America. Baltimore is the fourth largest Port City in the U.S. As well as the largest black bookstore warehouse ON THE EAST COAST. Meaning we are totally connected to All Afrikan people all over the world. We need a good base like this. If we Ethno Aggregate this could be a good Power Base. The State of Maryland will be the second largest Minority state in the country behind California. For whatever Political Power we can must from this that is good. Maryland has 28% Black Representation. Baltimore's Real Estate is one of the hottest and least expensive in the country right now. Folk from D.C., New York, California are all buying up property. To add California is being taken over by Mexicans and Chinese, Japanese i.e. the Asian Connection. If we read Blueprint to Black Power and Powernomics Baltimore and D.C. has great potential for Industy. Black should move away from California though it is a serious global market. Baltimore does have an Airport as well. Black Enterprise did an article on best city for blacks using certain critiria i.e. Education, Housing, Economics. Baltimore was #9, D.C. was #3. This means that two cities were in the top ten within 30 minutes away a good drive. For serious folk that can think and do a serious Political, Economic, Business Analysis this means serious Power potential. Also, White Nationalist want the Pacific Northwest i.e. Oregon, Washington State, Oregon, I think Idaho, etc.. They should be encouraged to migrate to the Northwest. I do though believe that the South has great potential, one book speaks of the value of Mississipi. This is why I need some folk in Baltimore to study with me. Black folk though are already positioned mostly in the South. The Cities need to be used to create industries.

I could give U some more, but I think this is enough.

[General]

Originally Posted by kimani

okay, i'm going to stick with my initial thought; i am going out on a limb and state that my bias is for a united snakkes city, particularly for Afrikans in America; it cant hurt too much, can it?; Atlanta: Atlanta appears to be the only city in the united snakes where Blacks have any real political and economic power that seems to be somewhat enduring over the long term;the Blacks in Atlanta appear to be as aggressive, entrepenural as whites, and are not going to let go of this power without a fight, or so it seems; every other city in this country appears to be undergoing dramatic transformation in demographics, power (i.e., yt is taking them "back" over, pushing blacks out through rising housing cost, section 8 vouchers, etc); chicago (i watched this happen, and its gaining momentum); new york, somewhat already; DC; the only city that i would exclude initially is probably Johannesburg and much of Azania; Azania appear to be moving in the opposite direction of Afrikan Liberation; it would be a hard row to hoe, already is, for true Afrikan Liberators in that country.

Atlanta is successful or appearingly because of the four colleges there. Morehouse, Clark Atlanta, Spellman and I don't know the last one. Suffice to say from some research, black folks are still struggling there. It is though # 1 for many different reasons. I think because of this so called Mecca that it is already designed to be neutralized. Actually, the reason why it is as well percieved as progressive is that a black mayor held out some contracts for the Airport and some black folk were able to get wealthy.

Again, Blacks in California are about to seriously be shown how much lack of Power we have. Mexicans are taking over. Asians both Chinese and Japanese both would rather hire Mexicans than black folk.

[Im The Truth]

I live in Atlanta and I vote against Atlanta as being the most conducive to African Liberation! Because I live there I know more about it, African Liberation wise, than people in other cities who have not or do not live here. For Atlanta to be the hub of African Liberation there must be a serious mentally change. While it is true, Atlanta is by far the wealthiest population of Afrikans on the globe this does not change the fact that political outlook controls the purpose and usability of that money. You have to understand, which most do not, Atlanta is the #2 MAIN hub of white supremacy in ameriKKKa! NYC is #1. Steve Cokely once said if you want to know who’s running the world look in the Richest People/Corporations in ameriKKKa in Forbes magazine. Atlanta has the most Fortune 500 business in ameriKKKa. It also houses some of the world’s most deadly corporations/government facilities: one of the largest Homeland Security offices in ameriKKKa, HQ for the Center for Disease Control (CDC), Fort McPherson Military Base, Lockheed Martin, Turner Broadcasting, IBM Corp., Scientific Research Corp, and also has a strong history of agents (as told to by Chairmen Fred Hampton Jr.).

The reason for the large percentage of Afrikans in Atlanta comes from slavery Atlanta/Terminus was a hub for sending slaves to different parts of the South; the four HBCUs: Morehouse College (tied for #1 top Negro producer), Clark Atlanta University, Spelman College (tied for #1 top Negro producer), and Morris Brown College; and the large number of corporations people are able to get jobs and be “successful” and “have an opportunity to make it”.

Kimani mention “every other city in this country appears to be undergoing dramatic transformation in demographics, power (i.e., yt is taking them "back" over, pushing blacks out through rising housing cost, section 8 vouchers, etc)”. The exact same thing is happening in Atlanta and it is very obvious.

Seeing that Atlanta is by far the wealthiest population of Afrikans on the globe much of the Afrikan culture here is Negroized and profiteered. Atlanta is Negroland or as I call it the Neo-Colonization Capital in ameriKKKa.

Though the above is the case, the legitimate Afrikan Liberation work is here and is on the move. In being honest Atlanta has a good amount of Afrocentric events to attend, there are least 3 or 4 Afrikan-centered events to go here every month. I do not consider a great leap towards Afrikan Liberation considering that this same is going on in most major cities in ameriKKKa and we you are in the mix you will know about them. Atlanta has a lot of potential growth and opportunity especially in the area of economics.

So as far as Atlanta being a city where “like-minded Afrikan Liberators ‘taking over a city’ ; relocating in mass;buying up property; etc etc etc; and then seriously be about the bizness of creating something of our own” I don’t think so. As a matter of fact in my eyes, being a Pan-Afrikan, this can only happen in Afrika and all other revolts, rebellions must be directly linked to Afrika. I feel Atlanta can do something seriously in being one of many cities in ameriKKKa that will set ameriKKKa on fire and have leadership come from here, but Our real power lies in Afrika!

[General]

Originally Posted by Im The Truth

I live in Atlanta and I vote against Atlanta as being the most conducive to African Liberation! Because I live there I know more about it, African Liberation wise, than people in other cities who have not or do not live here. For Atlanta to be the hub of African Liberation there must be a serious mentally change. While it is true, Atlanta is by far the wealthiest population of Afrikans on the globe this does not change the fact that political outlook controls the purpose and usability of that money. You have to understand, which most do not, Atlanta is the #2 MAIN hub of white supremacy in ameriKKKa! NYC is #1. Steve Cokely once said if you want to know who’s running the world look in the Richest People/Corporations in ameriKKKa in Forbes magazine. Atlanta has the most Fortune 500 business in ameriKKKa. It also houses some of the world’s most deadly corporations/government facilities: one of the largest Homeland Security offices in ameriKKKa, HQ for the Center for Disease Control (CDC), Fort McPherson Military Base, Lockheed Martin, Turner Broadcasting, IBM Corp., Scientific Research Corp, and also has a strong history of agents (as told to by Chairmen Fred Hampton Jr.).

The reason for the large percentage of Afrikans in Atlanta comes from slavery Atlanta/Terminus was a hub for sending slaves to different parts of the South; the four HBCUs: Morehouse College (tied for #1 top Negro producer), Clark Atlanta University, Spelman College (tied for #1 top Negro producer), and Morris Brown College; and the large number of corporations people are able to get jobs and be “successful” and “have an opportunity to make it”.

Kimani mention “every other city in this country appears to be undergoing dramatic transformation in demographics, power (i.e., yt is taking them "back" over, pushing blacks out through rising housing cost, section 8 vouchers, etc)”. The exact same thing is happening in Atlanta and it is very obvious.

Seeing that Atlanta is by far the wealthiest population of Afrikans on the globe much of the Afrikan culture here is Negroized and profiteered. Atlanta is Negroland or as I call it the Neo-Colonization Capital in ameriKKKa.

Though the above is the case, the legitimate Afrikan Liberation work is here and is on the move. In being honest Atlanta has a good amount of Afrocentric events to attend, there are least 3 or 4 Afrikan-centered events to go here every month. I do not consider a great leap towards Afrikan Liberation considering that this same is going on in most major cities in ameriKKKa and we you are in the mix you will know about them. Atlanta has a lot of potential growth and opportunity especially in the area of economics.

So as far as Atlanta being a city where “like-minded Afrikan Liberators ‘taking over a city’ ; relocating in mass;buying up property; etc etc etc; and then seriously be about the bizness of creating something of our own” I don’t think so. As a matter of fact in my eyes, being a Pan-Afrikan, this can only happen in Afrika and all other revolts, rebellions must be directly linked to Afrika. I feel Atlanta can do something seriously in being one of many cities in ameriKKKa that will set ameriKKKa on fire and have leadership come from here, but Our real power lies in Afrika!

I appreciate your insights into Atlanta, I do read Forbes 400 when they come out with the list of the top 400 wealthiest Americans. I did not know that a large % of the U.S. Industry and/or wealthiest elite Corporations were in Atlanta. Jews Control New York, get it Jew York. We have to break this down seriously. The reality, I am not predicting a Mass exodus from the U.S. to Afrika though people will travel back and forth. The reality is that just as in the 40s and 50s blacks moved for jobs in the North and to escape Jim Crow, only to meet Jim's brother in the north James Crow. You are on point about how many folk think of Atlanta because I'm glad U know the Negro Making machines HBCU's. The reality is that many black folk can not afford to travel very far. I propose make due where and what we have. 25% of Black folks though live in counties outside of black cities according to Jawanzaa Kunjufu's book Black Economics. As I mentioned someone suggested Oakland, now for sentimental value Oakland may sound reasonable, though THE REALITY Hispanics and Asians will be taking over California. Read Megatrends or Futureshock by Cracker Nasbitt. We need to know that California is the 6th largest world Economy, much power their, though Black folk will not have the #'s, Wealth or Industrial base to compete. Asians and White Corporations will take out Employment Prospects. Mexicans will be Employed in these areas i.e. Government as well as Construction trades. Blacks if they do not implement the Powernomics Initiative will be wiped out. I still say Baltimore of which I am intelligently moved to for strategic puposes. The White Nationalist want five states in Pacific Northwest. Where else can black people in America go? The Republic of New Afrika put out several states in the South. Brothers, now I put out some intelligent thoughts on here, I hope something is making some serious sense. Potentially, it was thought as well and I know many folk that have moved from different parts of the country to try to influence Global Policy. Also, We do have all of the Afrikan Embassy in D.C. We could learn on a regular basis about trade relations. We can not do that NO WHERE ELSE in AMERICA. Give me some feedback brothers. We need to perform serious research on this. I am on Assatashakur.org for strategic, tactful reasons to get this information out. Please read this and Think about it. We do not have time to be on here being non-strategic. This is Warfare, We must Prepare, Learn and Think!

[Kimani]

any city or rural area in any country would have to be defended against the evils of yt; the idea here is what city/rural area would be most conducive as a sort first step toward Afrikan Liberation; as an example, stimulus to create more of the same; it appears to me that any sort of serious, successful Afrikan Renaissance, renewed Afrikan culture necessitates a mass movement, congregation of like-minded folk, us, Afrikan Liberators; i cannot imagine any other scenario that would lead toward success, be as effective; i like the idea of some place like Ghana (Accra) or Zimbabwe too; the fact that yt outnumbers us in this country is no small matter, and is a disadvantage to any united snakkes city; recognizing the cultural disadvantages, and vulnerabilities of city, urban life; one advantage is that it already has essential infrastructures.