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Liberation Strategy Discussion about Ideas, Mistakes And Solutions for the Liberation of All Afrikan People.

View Poll Results: which liberation form is most necessary for africans?
economic 14 35.90%
political 7 17.95%
spiritual 8 20.51%
gender 0 0%
cultural 5 12.82%
other 5 12.82%
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I voted like naturallyme for an economic revolution and agree with their assesment.

Their were many political revolutions that have taken place in Africa, that have liberated various nationhoods from colonialism. However, colonialism came back in a new form, neo colonialism. Where before it was white adminstrators and white politicians, we now had African politicians. No matter how forward towards equality these politicians wanted to go it was not possible as long as the parasitic nature of imperialism and neocolonialism still existed.

Political revolution can get representatives of us into office to help better our situation, but we must come to grips that they can only do so much within the framework of Capitalism and Imperialism. As long as those economic systems remain, exploitation of man by man will always remain. Social, political and economic inequality will still beat.

Political revolutions are excellent, yet we cannot stop there. If we want true liberation for Africa and operate for the well beings of our brothers and sisters, then we must smash the system of capitalism, in turn for a better economic system.
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I say all the above but since the poll made it so you could only choose one so I picked other. Because in order for Afrikans in Amerikkka and aboard to get all of these we would need to have unity. We all need to come together to become family once more and help each other reach all of these goals.
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I was torn between Economic and Spiritual, I voted Economic but even as I prepare this response I'm leaning spiritual. While the subject of economic empowerment is an active topic of discussion and in some communities being put into action, addressing the spiritual enslavement that whites put on Afrikans is not happening to the same degree IMHO. We acknowledge that we need to be more self sufficient economically from whites on a grander scale and it's generally understood what that means (Afrikans need to be the producers, sellers, and buyers of goods and services and employers and employees for the distribution and not just buyers anymore) but we do not acknowledge that we need to be more self-sufficient spiritually from whites (or liberate ourselves from christianity), I don't think any topic gets people more defensive than when you discuss spirituality, especially when exposing christianity for what it really is, I think that the fact that many of us don't even acknowledge that there is something wrong with receiving our spiritually from our enslavers is dangerous.

So mann why did I vote economics ..oh yeah, because whites or should I say non-afrikans (because everyone got their hands in Afrikans pockets except other Afrikans) exert a majority of their influence in our community through economic means, if we were able to shut out their influence we would be able to put resources into some institutions that could help bring about cultural, political, and spiritual liberation. Such as more places that practice Afrikan centered spirituality, instead of our communities being littered with christian churches as they are now.
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Political-Cultural. If you have these two in order you won't have to worry about exploited or oppressed.
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I would say political() first and foremost; since we are governed by politics in every aspect of our lives..Also we are the most politically disenfranchised folks on the planet....politics control all of the following liberation suggestions:

ECONOMIC-NO. We have all the funds in the world to begin our own agenda. Only we defer that possibility.

GENDER-NO. In Western society, a gender liberation will only benefit Afrikan women;as Black males' advancement is stagnated. Why elevate one and leave the other behind? That spells counter-productivity.

SPIRITUAL-NO. There is no real collective confirmation that spirituality/religion prove effective in our lives. Spirituality is subjective.

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I would say political() first and foremost; since we are governed by politics in every aspect of our lives..Also we are the most politically disenfranchised folks on the planet....politics control all of the following liberation suggestions:

ECONOMIC-NO. We have all the funds in the world to begin our own agenda. Only we defer that possibility.

GENDER-NO. In Western society, a gender liberation will only benefit Afrikan women;as Black males' advancement is stagnated. Why elevate one and leave the other behind? That spells counter-productivity.

SPIRITUAL-NO. There is no real collective confirmation that spirituality/religion prove effective in our lives. Spirituality is subjective.

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You expounded on economics, and gender, and spirituality...
why did you say maybe about culture?
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You expounded on economics, and gender, and spirituality...
why did you say maybe about culture?
Peace & Thanks, Ms Lioness,

I stated "maybe" to the culture, because Afrikan American culture spans the horizons of both negativity and positivity. Culture, too, changes at the speed of light, and unless we "huddle" and have one United Culture, we will forever remain lost. I didn't want to say "no" to culture because there are many good conscious culturistic ideals lurking just below the surface. All to often they are glossed over or "dissed" because they do not propose simplicity or a "quick thrill"; something that mainstream AA culture is notorious for.
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Peace & Thanks, Ms Lioness,

I stated "maybe" to the culture, because Afrikan American culture spans the horizons of both negativity and positivity. Culture, too, changes at the speed of light, and unless we "huddle" and have one United Culture, we will forever remain lost. I didn't want to say "no" to culture because there are many good conscious culturistic ideals lurking just below the surface. All to often they are glossed over or "dissed" because they do not propose simplicity or a "quick thrill"; something that mainstream AA culture is notorious for.
Alright Isis.. thanks for the response. I definately appreciate it.
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Political-Cultural. If you have these two in order you won't have to worry about exploited or oppressed.
I'm with you truth though I picked political I think those two would be the lead! then all others follow I'm tryna figure out how can we be economically free first, without these two up above...You got some of our people who have the economic resources but don't have nothin else...These two... Political-cultural
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All of them, I can't really narrow it any further.
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All forms of liberation are neccessary but according to the teachings of Kwame Nkrumah he said "Seek ye the political kingdom" and everything shall follow.If you have the political power it will be easy to engage in all other forms of liberation.

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All forms of liberation are neccessary but according to the teachings of Kwame Nkrumah he said "Seek ye the political kingdom" and everything shall follow.If you have the political power it will be easy to engage in all other forms of liberation.
If you study the teachings of Kwame Nkrumah even further you will notice that his viewpoints and positions come from a deeply spiritual perspective. And when I say 'spiritual' it is in reference to man's inborn desire to do that which is good and right over that which is not. I say the problems confronting our people are spiritual, it is a war between what is right and what is wrong, people motivated by the spirit of God(right) and those posessed with a mind that is in opposition to it.

The following are a few excerpts from Kwame Nkrumah's world-famous 1961 lecture entitled "I Speak of Freedom."

"It is clear that we must find an African solution to our problems,and that this can only be found in African unity. Divided we are weak; united, Africa could become one of the greatest forces for good in the world."

"The greatest contribution that Africa can make to the peace of the world is to avoid all the dangers inherent in disunity, by creating a political union which will also by its success, standas an example to a divided world. A Union of African states will project more effectively the African personality(SPIRIT)."


"We have to prove that greatness is not to be measured in stockpilesof atom bombs. I believe strongly and sincerely that with the deep-rooted wisdom and dignity, the innate respect for human lives,the intense humanity that is our heritage, the African race, united under one federal government, will emerge not as just another world bloc to flaunt its wealth and strength, but as a Great Power whose greatness is indestructible because it is built not on fear,envy and suspicion, nor won at the expense of others, but founded on hope, trust, friendship and directed to the good of all mankind.

The emergence of such a mighty stabilising force in this strife-wornworld should be regarded not as the shadowy dream of a visionary,but as a practical proposition, which the peoples of Africa can,and should, translate into reality."

Modern History Sourcebook: Nkrumah: I Speak of Freedom, 1961

Now, that vision goes far beyond the political context. Economics, politics and religion have all desperately failed the human family, neither inspire people to do that which is right. When the spiritual component of RIGHTEOUSNESS is removed from the equation,, we are left without any true sense of direction or purpose, leaving us with forms of leadership that are all looking out for t heir own personal self-interest and pushing their own platforms.

The problems in the government, the problems in the state, the crisis in the neighborhoods, at the schools, in the family,, all stem from the MIND. we should all be able to agree that this world is a mental creation. It didnt just get like this haphazardly. Everything that you do is a reflection of your mind, it is the fruit of a tree. We look all around us and see wicked fruit but tend to blame the branches..or the twigs or the leaves, instead of getting directly to the ROOTS of the problem, which is the tree itself. The REAL problem is that the prevalent mentality in the midst of the people is one that does not truthfully desire to do that which is right, they do that which is attractive and enticing and self-satisfactory. This has been the character of Satan since the beginning, outwardly appealing(good) but inwardly destructive(evil). Everyone on the face of this planet has been eating from the same tree of good and evil wondering why the results havent changed.

We can switch from democrats to republicans, from conservatives to liberals, from capitalists to communists and from white to black all day long...but if we never alter or positvely affect the minds of the people to switch from WRONG to RIGHT, the problems will continue...GUARENTEED. A corrupt tree cannot bear good fruit, a good tree by its very nature will not bear bad fruit, and by their fruits ye shall know them. All the political, economic and educational systems of this world (under the influence of Euro-Gentile governmental and cultural standards) reflect the subtle, yet destructive nature of Satan. Using Satan's platform to free God's people is an irrational, illogical and impossible thing to do. Thats why it simply hasnt worked.

And this is why we were instructed 'seek ye first the Kingdom (the spiritual) and His Righteousness, (His true definitions as to what is right and what is wrong) and then all other aspects of the captivity will be dealt with appropriately, they will be added unto you'. When you truly understand the nature of this struggle you'll see that it is a struggle to free the souls of our people.

Having a black president doesnt stop you killing someone over a pair of Nike's. That is a spiritual problem, something involving your minds perception as to what is right and what is wrong, and its inability to move in a manner relative to that understanding. Just think, i mean, having MILLIONS of dollars and endorsemnts and success and influence didnt stop Mike Vick from fighting and killing those dogs, it just took the same irrational and ungodly mind that he developed in the hood and placed in into another tax bracket. Economics didnt LIBERATE him, it CANT liberate him and it cant liberate anyone, it just gives them more and more latitude within the same realm of captivity. Our people are destroyed because of a lack of knowledge.


You have got to get your house in order with the Creator FIRST, get your goals and interests and objectives alligned with His FIRST, because that will then develop a character in you. Then on your path towards the attainment of your economic, political and social upliftment you will consider all thinkgs and relate them to your objective. This is the prophetic 'Truth' required to set one free.

Truth is verifiable, because freedom is verifiable. Truth equals a form of knowledge that can free, or LIBERATE you. Subsequently it becomes the most necessary 'form of liberation' we could pursue, it is what you should seek FIRST. This ancient Hebraic concept of the Freedom struggle has been understood, taught and applied by only one man on the face of this planet, and in the history of our struggle no one else has produced a track record accomplishments comparable to his.







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All of it...to answer this seemingly complex question all of it! There is no...we should only do thus and such to liberate ourselves all of it is neccesity!!! ALL OF IT! We addressed the issue of the battle between the spiritual community in Afrikan Centered thought vs. The Nationalist community! In my opinion all is of usefulness, we need to be inspired and empowered by the spirit of the creator and ancestors! We also need guns, seed, tractors, building supplies, pipes, metal works, etc.
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