What are your opinions of Mugabe, Thabo Mbeki and other African Leaders?

[OKULAJA]

No Poll. Just want to hear the thoughts and views of the People.

[rebelAfrika]

Kwame Ture said that you could almost say that Africans have a "monopoly" (they've cornered the market!) on corrupt leadership...and OF COURSE I agree with him. I do not believe that Mugabe is corrupt. I believe that he has made mistakes on the way (which is to be expected by anybody who is doing "something" for the people), but I believe that he is being targeted and systematically attacked by the forces of european and amerikkkan imperialism (this is also the case for Aristide). Mbeki may have good intentions, but for all practical purposes, he is in the hip pocket of western interests. It hurts me to say it but it's an EVERYDAY STRUGGLE for me to keep my picture of Khadafi up on my wall. Guinea (as well as most of the other African states...but ESPECIALLY Guinea) is in the hands of the scum of Africa. Most of the African leadership throughout the diaspora are weak. Most of the Africans who have political positions of leadership in amerikkka are WITHOUT A DOUBT the scum of Africa. One of the few whose light SHINES through the muck and mire is our sister Cynthia McKinney. I say like Kwame Ture said..."we need less leadership and more organization" (and Kwame was never refered to as a "leader" or a "chairman" in the A-APRP but an "organizer" for the A-APRP). It is ONLY OUR MASSES that can bring about the changes we need as a people, not these fake so-called "leaders". This might be kind of difficult to understand, but change (in terms of progress) cannot occur in the individual first and then flow from the individual to the masses. No. Change must occur FIRST IN THE MASSES and then from that, the individual is able to FULLY ACTUALIZE their own individual progress. Forward ever.

[Im The Truth]

Because of the extreme effects of white supremacyin Africa, it brings to a raise corruption. What do I mean by extreme effects of white supremacy? White supremacydoes many things to people but the main thing it has done in Africa is take away the basic needs of the People -- food, clothing, and shelter. So because of this extreme state the quote unquote smart/sell-out Africans take whatever their puppetmaster gives them. Setting up a slave master relationship aka Neo-colonialism. That is why many countries in Africa have corruption. Then you have alot of these African puppets/so-called leaders who are trained/educate outside of Africa in London and in Paris who have been trained to be white supremacist.

Those Mugabe has done some terrible things such as destory villages and things like that, but that is not why he is an enemy of whites and their media it is because he understands that Africa Must Be Free! by any means necessary. And once other African leadership begin to belive this wholeheartedly then Africa can became free.

P.S.
RebelAfrika shoot up that Khadafi picture and then rip it off the wall, shred it, and burn it. Forward.

[rebelAfrika]

P.S.
RebelAfrika shoot up that Khadafi picture and then rip it off the wall, shred it, and burn it. Forward.

Well...the thing is...I am more "disappointed" with Khadafi than I am "angry" with him. I could probably see taking up your suggestion if I was "angry" with him but I am not sure that any of his recent actions constitutes such an "aggressive" position against him though.

[OKULAJA]

Gaddafi caved in to U.S./European interests. He agreed to dismantle his "weapons of mass destruction" and limit the range of Libyan missiles to no greater than 300 Kilometers.

On October 11 the EU ratified the lifting of Sanctions against Libya. In return Gaddafi is transferring Libya into a European Immigration Detention Center disguised as resting or transit centers to halt the influx of Africans and Arabs to Europe. This is where "there will be a sorting out of false and true refugees" says Schilly, German minister of the interior. Those who fail this first hurdle will be deproted back to their countries of origin. Those seen as legitimate would have to stay in the detention centers until they go through the European process to validate their claim for refugee status. This is a violation of the Geneva Convention, which Gaddafi never ratified.

Libya and Italy drafted a bi-lateral agreement on September 26, 2004. It would allow Italy to equip Libya with new MI14, Super Frelon and Alouette-3 helicopters, recon airplanes, all purpose vehicles and vedette boats. 50 Italian police forces are to start training in Libya. Since the signing of this deal, Italy has deported 1000 Africans and Arabs to Libya.

In 2003 in Libya, a gas project was started with Italian oil groups ENI and Agip ( same company that exploits oil in Nigeria and Congo). This underwater pipeline will transfer to Italy 10 billion cubic meters of gas a year. The total cost for this project amounted to $6.6 billion. Revenues are projected at "$20 billion over 20 years". Gaddafi is inviting back the 20,000 Italian colonizers he expelled in 1970 following his seizure of power in 1969.

Gaddafi is doing what the petty bourgeosie do - make deals with imperialism whenever it suits their own class interests. They're not about organizing the masses of African Workers and Peasants to fight U.S. led 'white' power.

- Excerpts taken from The Burning Spear newspaper, November-December 2004 edition. Political Organ of the African People's Socialist Party founding Organization of the Uhuru Movement and ASI.

Some may say he had to do what he had to do to lift the sanctions. But these agreements are not in the interests of the People, they are in the interests of his own class. Cuba has been under sanctions for years but has stood firm against U.S. led Imperialism.

[OKULAJA]

Femi Falana of the Conscience Party of Nigeria spoke on Obasanjo at a meeting in London the African Peoples Socialist Party attended:

"Under Obasanjo we have seen the privatization of the State and the triumph of the election-rigging parties. The generals are in control and their parties are in control of polling stations. They choose who win the elections. The Nigeria foreign debt is $31 billion, although we have already paid $33 billion to western capitalists. The general contenders to the next elections are talking about power and money they accumulated when they were in office. AIDS and poverty crisis are not their concerns. Politicians only manipulate ethnic and language differences, when it suits their individualist interests.

Charles Taylor as a persecutor, is not qualified for refugee status in Nigeria, under the Article 12.3 of the OAU Charter. He also has been responsible for the murder of Nigerians in Liberia and Sirra Leone. The refusal by actual African presidents to prosecute Charles Taylor is to secure their own protection, when they loose power, they too hope not to be prosecuted.

Obasanjo jas contempt for the Nigerian People. He has no regard for the law. In the Benoue state, he sent the army to repress the Peoples resistance. They leveled the entire town. He has allowed Nigeria to become a dumping ground."

The National Chairman of the Conscience Party writes:

HIS GRACE,



CARDINAL OLUBUNMI OKOGIE

CATHOLIC DIOCESE OF LAGOS



C/O, CATHOLIC SECRETARIAT,



LAGOS.







Your Eminence,







PLEASE WORK AND PRAY FOR A REVOLUTION IN NIGERIA.



Permit us to congratulate your Eminence on your well-deserved recognition and elevation to the esteemed position of a Cardinal. We congratulate the Catholic Church worldwide and His Holiness, the Pope for the decision, as we believe your elevation cannot be divorced from the prominent role you personally played and inspired many others to play a few years ago, in the struggle against military dictatorship and arbitrary rule in Nigeria. Much honour has come the way of the Catholic Church for rewarding your courage in calling evil by his proper name. Long may you live in the service of oppressed Nigerians!







We are however, bothered by your recent call for prayers against a revolution in Nigeria. The NCP is prompted to write this letter because of our belief that your call rests on an assumption that a revolution in Nigeria at this time is undesirable and a phenomenon to be prevented!







Sir, excuse our audacity in pointing out as students of history and Society that a revolution is nothing but a fundamental change. By virtue of the mass nature of participation in the bringing about of a revolution, it is usually even more democratic than changes brought about through the ballot box. This, in the light of the fact that large segments of the populace shun elections these days, because of the reality of electoral fraud and official manipulation, which rob the process of integrity.





Revolutions have types and goals and cannot be equated with anarchy and mindless violence.





The type of revolution the NCP advocates are economic, social cultural, and political. We seek the revolution that extends and generalizes socio-cultural economic rights to the oppressed classes in Nigeria who have historically been denied of it.





We believe we need a revolution in this country, a fundamental change (revolution) in the Economic order in Nigeria from the present indifference to the alarmingly huge rate of unemployment, to that were the affairs of the country are arranged in such a way that all available hands in the country should be put to work on wages that can sustain families and ensure a dignified standard of living. The attainment of full employment ought to be a matter of fundamental legal obligation on the part of those who are in charge of our collective affairs. That, the kinds of development projects to be embarked upon in the country must derive its impetus from that obligation, hence projects like extension of the railway, provision of housing on the massive scale, extension of water and electricity supply to all nooks crannies of our land are imperative now. Development of the infrastructure, urban renewal programs, building of more hospitals, schools etc, anchored on provision of service and amenities to the populace and utilization of available manpower will usher in unparalleled dynamism in our comatose system.





We make bold to say that the present order founded on the trickle-down theory and the contract system, dominated by a few foreign construction firms and multinational companies can never allow the available creative energies of Nigeria talented people to be put to use. Further that it will take a paradigm shift of revolutionary proportions to energize Ministries of Works at the Federal, State and Local Government levels to reclaim their role as the primary agent in the development of infrastructure in Nigeria.







The funding of the kind of massive projects we talked about can never come about where our oil wells and mineral deposits continue to be allocated to a few individuals from whom government only waits to collect taxes. This is to be contrasted with collective ownership of the oil wells and other natural resources, which customarily has been the case. Our new orientation is diametrically opposed to that touted by the Obasanjo government.







There is no running away from the fact that the running of the kind of massive projects we talk about can never come about where our oil wells and mineral deposits continue to be allocated to a few individuals and companies from whom government only waits to collect taxes. The end point of President Obasanjo’s private sector-led development matrix will culminate in a widening of wealth disparities when what will usher in harmonious co-existence is a narrowing of it.







The social revolution needed in our country is one that promotes equality of persons young and old, male and female, irrespective of religious outlook or ethnic origins. This can also be translated into equality of nationalities regardless of size. Our revolution is to abolish the present system of sacred cows under which some persons are above the law as a matter of fact. Mutual respect shall define all social interaction.







The political revolution needed is such that the masses of the Nigeria people in their trade unions, community development associations, and professional bodies take their rightful place in the administration of public affairs. Under the present dispensation, these groups have been excluded in the process of the governance, while elected public office holders utilize the process of public administration to feather their nests. You will recall that it was during the height of the last nationwide strike against increases in the prices of fuel that President Obasanjo chose to arrogantly send the 2005 national budget to the national assembly! Sooner or later the nation will come to know those handful of persons who profit from the deliberate to fix our refineries.





Your Eminence, it would take a revolution to remove politics and electioneering from the hands of the money bags, create opportunities for the average worker, farmer, professional or artisan, acclaimed in their constituencies of possessing leadership attributes, to vie for public office without the need for “god –fathers� or millions of Naira. To bring about a system where public servants or elected office holders see themselves as tools for realization of public good which public, they are subjected to and take directives from, this would be revolutionary in the Nigeria of today.







So, Sir, it is our confidence that you subscribe to the kinds of fundamental changes we have tried to outline above, which we believe represent the fundament changes which majority of our people have yearned for over the years. We believe your concern may actually be with how these changes can be brought about and institutionalized without bloodshed.





It would have been wonderful if dialogue between the victims of the system as it presently is, on the one hand, and those who profit from it on the other, can lead to the enthronement of these changes; it will be great if those who have a vice grip on the economic and political life of this country would voluntarily cede this power to those inbued with this revolutionary orientation and commitment like we in the NCP. But, history teaches us that it is the victim who determines the length of his oppression not the benevolence of the oppressor.





The history of the Obasanjo regime so far shows that he, as the representative of the oppressor class, has no interest in dialogue, hence he has consistently rebuffed the call for the convocation of a Sovereign National Conference where people expect that following an extensive deliberation, a new constitution will emerge embodying the kinds of changes enumerated above. But history also teaches “those who make peaceful change impossible make violent change inevitable�!





There is an inalienable right that members of every nation share in common, that is, the right to demand for good governance or put differently a right to rebel against mal-administration of collective affairs. This right is an admixture of freedom of expression, right to self-determination and the right to self-defense all rolled up into one. It would be unfair, to insist that these fundamental rights should only be exercised through the ballot box. Deliberate pauperization of the populace by an elected government ought not to be tolerated in between elections. People are therefore perfectly in order to use all-means necessary to clamour for the realization of the vision for a new Nigeria free of poverty. It would also be perfectly in order and understandable for the victims to refuse to continue to co-operate with a government that is not committed to their welfare. Civil disobedience, strikes, protest and armed struggle are forms of struggle oppressed people have used historically and in diverse lands, the Nigerian situation which is no exception is already experiencing these forms of struggle.





In matters of violence and blood letting, the ball will clearly be in the court of the government, in terms of how far it is willing to go in resisting the changes being sought. Members of the Nigerian armed forces particularly the lower ranked also need to know that the revolution in Nigeria will be a good thing that has a lot of benefit in store for them as workers in uniform who are equally oppressed. They should team up with the other victims to make the Nigerian revolution as bloodless as possible.





So, if any prayers need to be said, it is for public office holders in Nigeria of today and their parasitic benefactors out of government, to realize without further delay, that the Nigerian people are no longer willing to live a life of “business as usual� and the old ways of doing things that has made Nigeria and Nigerians a laughing stock in the comity of nations. That the Nigerian people are tired of the situation whereby the nation has everything but it’s citizens on account of the greed of a few, have nothing! Just like slavery and racism were an affront on the conscience of mankind, so is the reality of poverty in the midst of plenty. Poverty in Nigeria in the midst of so much abundance is a sin against God and a challenge to all of humanity and all right thinking people worldwide.





To conclude sir, Rather than pray against revolution in Nigeria may we say that the revolution that would wipe away poverty from Nigeria is one to be prayed and worked for.







Yours truly,



For: NATIONAL CONSCIENCE PARTY



OSAGIE OBAYUWANA



NATIONAL CHAIRMAN


Again, Obasanjo is another African Neo-Colonialist acting in the interests of his class, the African petty bourgeoisie. If I'm not mistaken, he was one of the African leaders that didn't ratify the resolution to proclaim the Transatlantic Slavetrade as a Crime Against Humanity during the World Conference Against Racism in Durban.

[rebelAfrika]

I was asking all the Nigerians I came across about the elections in Nigeria (during the last election) and this one sister said it the best...she said "I want to see Obasanjo win because I would rather deal with "the devil that I know", than deal with the "devil that I don't know." In other words, she HATES Obasanjo, but she wanted him to win because at least she knows what to expect from him. This is indicative of the problem we face with African "leadership" today.

Why is the National Chairman of the Conscience Party "pleading his case" to the Catholic Diocese of Lagos? (Rhetorical question...but yall can answer it if you want to).

[OKULAJA]

I was asking all the Nigerians I came across about the elections in Nigeria (during the last election) and this one sister said it the best...she said "I want to see Obasanjo win because I would rather deal with "the devil that I know", than deal with the "devil that I don't know." In other words, she HATES Obasanjo, but she wanted him to win because at least she knows what to expect from him. This is indicative of the problem we face with African "leadership" today.

Why is the National Chairman of the Conscience Party "pleading his case" to the Catholic Diocese of Lagos? (Rhetorical question...but yall can answer it if you want to).

Rebel, sounds like the Bush Syndrome over here. Deal with the devil you KNOW, not very democratic, sad but true. As we know, the reality is, they have to join the struggle to build the Anti-Colonial/Neo-Colonial Movement to Free Africa under a Socialist Economy and tear down the Colonial imposed borders. The current state of Electoral Politics has been nothing but a charade.

I feel you on the Catholic thang. Our People begin to wake up politically but Christian Missionaries (European and their African loyalists) still have a tight hold on a lot of our People.

[OKULAJA]

I support Mugabe in his defiance against the U.S.-Euro Imperialists, however his governing of the People has not been in the interests of the Masses of the African Working Class and Poor Peasantry. It was the People who began seizing the land back for themselves because Mugabe failed to redistribute the land for the last 20 years. Mugabe later jumped on it.

There are many African leaders that have defied the Colonialists agenda, such as Idi Amin kicking the Asians out of Uganda who were placed there by British to act as overseers, but work against the best interests of the Masses of the African Working Class and Poor Peasants. It is still Neo-Colonialism. We must not excuse this just because they defy the Europeans.

When we do this it shows a lack of revolutionary ideological clarity in that we still associate our struggle as being a BLACK vs. WHITE thing as opposed to an AFRICAN vs. OPPRESSION thing.

[rebelAfrika]

Mugabe was trying to fulfill the "obligations" of the Lancaster accords. To me, that was Mugabe's mistake. The oppressed are not obligated to their oppressors in any way. Their only obligation is to end their oppression.

[Mlingane]

Hope you have since learned that Thabo Mbeki is not in any ones hip but he has been championing African solutions for Africans. Mugabe is corrupt but he has not been in power since 2000, the army has been controlling him since then. And Thabo knows and did not want more bloodshed of Africans.

He has been championing Africas freedom from dependace to the west! As a result he ensured that South Africa does not borrow money from the west and its economy grows to ensure its independence!

The struggle for Africas freedom has taken a few steps back, but let us keep the light burning! Africas struggle continues!!!

[GoodTimes]

What I dont like is that the African leaders live in luxury while the people suffer and starve, then they get the country in forgein debt, because their spending all of the funds on themselves. This is everywhere yes, but in Africa you would think they would be more humble, instead of trying to live like a politician.

[Prince]

What proof do you have that Mr. Mugabe is living in luxury?
Also, to be honest, the fact that he kicked out so many Europeans, paves the way for future generations to repair the country. That little bit of good in its self makes up for a lot.

We are very versatile people, our Brothers and Sisters in Zimbabwe will survive like we've been doing for the last 3000 years. They will be stronger for it too.

[GoodTimes]

What proof do you have that Mr. Mugabe is living in luxury?
Also, to be honest, the fact that he kicked out so many Europeans, paves the way for future generations to repair the country. That little bit of good in its self makes up for a lot.

We are very versatile people, our Brothers and Sisters in Zimbabwe will survive like we've been doing for the last 3000 years. They will be stronger for it too.

The proof is in his 250k Bday party, and his wives various properties. Thats not fair to the people, and it shows that hes a politician among other things, just like many others who have taken advantage of Africas people.

Do you need more proof? Shit, kick out ALL of the Europeans. It shouldnt even have to be taken to a court, wtf? They dont belong there! Any asshole could see! I'd go rounding them up myself if I were there. It doesnt help though that he gives the land to his homies, rather then the people of the nation who live in crisis. And now CNN also known as CKKK is having a field day with it.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa...rty/index.html