Amendment 14 denies Citizenship privileges, laws, and protection for Black people

[Pragmatic]

Slavery was never abolished
Amendment 13 - Slavery Abolished

http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am13.html

1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

African people were criminals and convicted for there skin color during religious slavery, prior to Constitutional Slavery.

Amd 14 says," No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

But it doesn't say shall abridge the privileges or immunities of previous condition of servitude (*prisoners of war/slaves)...as in Amd 15.

1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

Black people don't have the privileges or immunities of citizenship of due process, life, liberty's, or equal protection of laws granted to other citizens. Because our prior conditions of servitude were not mentioned in Amd. 14. But your allowed to vote for your favorite oppressor and representative.Representatives are apportioned among the states, with the most populous getting the greater share.

You know . . . Article 1 Section 2

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.)

Peace be upon you

[Black7Sun]

If you're referring to the 14th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, the newly freed slaves come under that jurisdiction. The generation that was immediately came afterward was sovereign citizens in the particular state they were born in. What you're referring to, if I comprehend what you're saying correctly, only apply to the newly freed slaves.

That's one of the reasons why I say that Brothers and Sisters better be really careful of that "reparations" game 'cause ties you back to the Fourteenth Amendment.

[Pragmatic]

Black7Sun: ..."If you're referring to the 14th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, the newly freed slaves come under that jurisdiction. The generation that was immediately came afterward was sovereign citizens in the particular state they were born in. What you're referring to, if I comprehend what you're saying correctly, only apply to the newly freed slaves.

That's one of the reasons why I say that Brothers and Sisters better be really careful of that "reparations" game 'cause ties you back to the Fourteenth Amendment...."

Actually, brotha, it applies to the decendants of slaves, as well. That's why Amendment 15 says, "...shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, orprevious condition of servitude. It was never the intention to grant African people full citizenships rights.


..."The generation that was immediately came afterward was sovereign citizens in the particular state they were born in..."

Free people before the Emancipation Proclamation could be sold into slavery, just for being without work.

Europeans were citizens prior to the Constitution. Africans, were not.

Article 2, Clause 5: Qualifications for office of the President
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President..."This Article was never amended. Showing that the writers of the Constitution, were never short of words.

Obama, was elected, on the grounds, that his natural born father, was born in Kenya. His natural born mother, was white.

They even used this article in the Supreme Court, but the case was shot down.

YouTube - The October Surprise?Suit To Remove Barack Obama From The Ballot. Barack Obama Is A Citizen Of ?

YouTube - The October Surprise?Suit To Remove Barack Obama From The Ballot. Barack Obama Is A Citizen Of ?

US Supreme Court refuses to take up Obama citizenship case

Dec 8, 2008
WASHINGTON (AFP) — The US Supreme Court on Monday rejected a case filed by a New Jersey voter who questioned whether president-elect Barack Obama was a "natural born" American, a prerequisite for running for the White House.
In the case, plaintiff Leo Donofrio also alleged that Obama's rival for the presidency, Republican John McCain, was not an American citizen from birth because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936.
The Zone was controlled by the United States until 1979.
The court did not give a reason for rejecting the case, which was the second such challenge the justices have refused to take up in recent weeks.
In the earlier case, which the court threw out on the eve of the historic election in which Obama beat McCain to become the first African-American to be elected president of the United States, Pennsylvania lawyer Philip Berg alleged that Obama was born in Kenya, his father's homeland.
According to a birth certificate for Obama made public by his campaign, the president-elect was born in Hawaii in August 1961, two years after the archipelago became a state.
The US constitution provides the framework for the law on who is a citizen, saying in the 14th amendment: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
Laws passed since the constitution are more specific about who is a citizen at birth.
They include anyone born inside the United States, a person born in a US possession if one parent is a citizen and lived in the United States for at least a year; and anyone born outside the United States to at least one US-citizen parent who has lived in the US for a minimum of five years.

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Peace be upon you

[Black7Sun]

Well before I get to the subject-matter I'd like to comment on the Obama question.

I'm sure you and many in this forum knows my position about Obama. I don't trust him and therefore don't really care for him. Still, I think it was incredibly ridiculous how his opponents handle the case against him. If they really have questions about his eligibility to run for and become president, then they were suppose to challenge the governmental authority that rubber-stamped his qualification. Not bring it to Obama. In all actuality, he don't have to show them, that lawyer and the people behind him, sh*t.

Now, another actuality is that the 14th Amendment was essentially designed to cleverly bring all under corporate servitude. However, pertaining to what you presented, "previous condition of servitude", those who were born immediately afterward wasn't in any condition of servitude. That's the point. What you're speaking-on comes about when a person waives their sovereign state rights, which many have done over the years and decades. Yes, including Whites too.

[Pragmatic]

There has never been a previous condition, we have always been subjects, servant, vassals, to the United States and Great Britain.

1 : a person under the protection of a feudal lord to whom he has vowed homage and fealty : a feudal tenant 2 : one in a subservient or subordinate position

The United States is a Non Unitary Federated territory of Great Britain.

African subjects/citizens/vassals/servants fall under

Enemy aliens:

In law an enemy alien is a citizen of a country which is in a state of conflict with the land in which he or she is located. Usually, but not always, the countries are in a state of declared war.


Types of "alien" persons are:

• An alien who is legally permitted to remain in a country which is foreign to him or her. On specified terms, this kind of alien may be called a legal alien of that country.
• An alien who has temporary or permanent residence in a country (which is foreign to him/her) may be called a resident alien of that country.
• An alien who is visiting a country (which is foreign to him/her) may be called a nonresident alien of that country.
• An alien who is present in a country (which is foreign to him/her) unlawfully or without the country's authorization may be called an illegal alien of that country.
• An enemy alien is an alien who is designated as an enemy; compare to enemy combatant.

Hence, No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

There's no amendment for the Article

Naturalization Act of 1798



The Naturalization Act, passed by Congress on June 18, 1798, increased the amount of time necessary for immigrants to become naturalizedcitizens in the United States from five to fourteen years. Although it was passed under the guide of protecting national security, most historians conclude it was really intended to decrease the number of voters who disagreed with the Federalistpolitical party. At the time, most immigrants (namely Irish and French) supported Thomas Jefferson and the Democratic-Republicans, the political opponents of the Federalists. This act was repealed in 1802.

A number of changes were made to the previous naturalization law:

Naturalization Act of 1790 Notice time Residence period 2 years

Naturalization Act of 1795 no notice required 3 years 5 years Residence

Naturalization Act of 1798 notice tme 5years Residence period 14

The "notice time" refers to how long immigrants had to wait after declaring their intent to become a citizen. The "residence period" refers to how long they had to live in the United States before they could become a citizen. The Naturalization Act is considered one of the Alien and Sedition Acts passed contemporaneously in 1798. Like the Naturalization Act of 1790, 1795, this act also restricted citizenship to "free white persons".

1. The Naturalization Act (officially An Act to Establish a Uniform Rule of Naturalization) extended the duration of residence required for aliens to become citizens to 14 years. Enacted June 18, 1798, with no expiration date, it was repealed in 1802.

So the US repealed The Naturalization Act of 1802 that was only for whites at the time here specifically for whites only mentions in Article 2 clause 5...."Than niether shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States, means that your 2nd class citizenship only equates out to:

An alien who has temporary or permanent residence in a country (which is foreign to him/her) may be called a resident alien of that country. If you can't be President, right...

Peace be upon you

---------- Post added at 01:38 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:22 AM ----------

Alien legal definition of Alien. Alien synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

alien 1) n. a person who is not a citizen of the country. 2) in the United States any person born in another country to parents who are not American and who has not become a naturalized citizen. There are resident aliens officially permitted to live in the country and illegal aliens who have sneaked into the country or stayed beyond the time allowed on a visa. 3) v. to convey title to property.


3. An alien, even after being naturalized, is ineligible to the office of president of the United States; and in some states, as in New York, to that of governor; he cannot be a member of congress, till the expiration of seven years after his naturalization.

see Article I - The Legislative Branch

No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.

(Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.)


An alien can exercise no political rights whatever; he cannot therefore vote at any political election, fill any office, or serve as a juror. 6 John. R. 332.

4.-2. An alien has a right to acquire personal estate, make and enforce contracts in relation to the same - he is protected from injuries, and wrongs, to his person and property, his relative rights and character; he may sue and be sued.

5.-3. He owes a temporary local allegiance, and his property is liable to taxation. Aliens are either alien friends or alien enemies. It is only alien friends who have the rights above enumerated; alien enemies are incapable, during the existence of war to sue, and may be ordered out of the country. See generally, 2 Kent. Com. 43 to 63; 1 Vin. Ab. 157; 13 Vin. ab. 414; Bac. Ab. h.t.; 1 Saund. 8, n.2; Wheat. Dig. h.t.; Bouv. Inst. Index, h.t.

Aliens can vote, cause Legal aliens/residents are taxable income to the state.

[Black7Sun]

You're saying that "there has never been a previous condition of servitude"? Let's be clear, you're the one who put previous conditions of servitude in the dialogue.

As for the fact that you still want to stick to to the premise that the corporate servitude of the 14th Amendment applies to all Blacks, before and after slavery, I say go ahead if you feel you need to. However, in all that you've furnished, especially the lengthy exposition of your last post, you still didn't illustrate where the said amendment applied to the generation of Blacks who were born in this country after slavery. Now if I'm missing something please enlighten me progressively and pinpoint exactly where this regulation is in what you wrote.

[Black7Sun]

Someone hip me to something that I must clarify. In the last paragraph of the last post, I meant say that you still did not illustrate the stipulation of law where slavery of Blacks born in this country is suppose to continue after inception the 14th Amendment.

My bad, back in my school-days, English-grammar definitely wasn't one of my favorite subjects.

[Pragmatic]

Your correction has been duly noted. First off I would like to say, Peace brotha. This topic is very hard to digest. I lost my job after 12 years for protesting about these very topics, located in the Constitution.

I was in my last 2 years of service, when I started reading the Articles of United States Constitution. Never mattered me no nevermind to ever consider.

I was in alot of pain were I was working. So I had a desk job for a while. This gave me alot of time to study. These laws and previous conditions of servitude are scary, and disheartening. They are heinous, and for people downed all the time, we always look for the highest principles of what we consider justice, and law to mean.

But, the law, is the law. I would like to consider your thoughts about this subject. I don't want to be inconsiderate to what you believe to be true. I liked to know what you believe to be the truth. These are the interpretations of people who have been practicing racial prejustice for centuries. If this is a subject you would like to further dialogue about. Let me point out the law that you are requesting:

Black7Sun: ..."I meant say that you still did not illustrate the stipulation of law where slavery of Blacks born in this country is suppose to continue after inception the 14th Amendment.

Right. Previous condition of servitude. Ok. Are you familiar with the Grandfather Clause? It allowed men to vote, even if they did not meet new requirements, based on their having ancestors who had the right to vote before the Civil War – effectively limiting the exemption to white men. The original grandfather clauses were contained in new state constitutions and Jim Crow laws passed before 1977 to 1910 in many of the Southern United States to prevent blacks from voting.

An exemption to such requirements was made for all persons allowed to vote before the American Civil War, and any of their descendants, except blacks. The term grandfather clause arose from the fact that the laws tied the then-current generation's voting rights to those of their grandfathers.

According to Black's Law Dictionary, some Southern states adopted constitutional provisions exempting from the literacy requirements descendants of those who fought in the army or navy of the United States or of the Confederate States during a time of war.

Most blacks could not vote until after passage of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, that's 95 years. Ratification in 1964 of the Twenty-fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution prohibited the use of poll taxes in federal elections, but some states continued to use them in state elections.

The 1965 Voting Rights Act had provisions to protect voter registration and access to elections, with federal enforcement and supervision where necessary.

The twist here is that Black people, aren't naturalized yet, as Marcus Garvey so elequently pointed out.

Maybe, that's why they try and get black folks to join the millitary. Because you have to take the Oath of Allegiance. This oath, is taken before you go to boot camp. I'm not sure if this form N-400 is signed. But ,the Oath of Allegiance present. You are not a U.S. citizen until you have taken this oath, at there Recruting Station. But if you are black, you still aren't a First class citizen.

GOD willing I'm going to ask a recruiter why citizens have to take thise oath at the recruiting station's.

Japanese American internment refers to the forcible relocation and internment of approximately 110,000 Japanese nationals and Japanese Americans to housing facilities called "War Relocation Camps", in the wake of Imperial Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor.

The internment of Japanese Americans was applied unequally throughout the United States. Japanese Americans residing on the West Coast of the United States were all interned, whereas in Hawaii, where over 150,000 Japanese Americans composed nearly a third of that territory's population, an additional 1,200 to 1,800 Japanese Americans were interned. Of those interned, 62 percent were United States citizens.

They were considered enemy aliens. Not even 2nd class citizens


Black people stranded 4 days after Katrina after math. Refugees. Aliens; Enemy's of the state of Lousiana. Executed, shot down for escaping to where some food and water might be.

By white people afraid of there, equals . . . They shot black children walking around with new hats on there head. And bragged about it on video, right on line, on youtube.

They were allowed full demarchy. Who authorized white people to shoot down black citizens during duress, cause they were afraid? No my friend, they were using there citizenship immunity's and priveledges.

Did black people take revenge? Did black folks start killing innocent white citizens?


With the complete dissolution of government, common law was replaced by citizen's juries, like during Jim crow. That's why almost 2 years after the massacre of innocent Katrina citizens, the only law raised up against White Southerns was gun confiscation. Just scandoulous.

But they did show armed millitary people going door to door.




The Naturalization Procedure


1. You must file form N-400, Application for Naturalization, with the
USCIS Service Center having jurisdiction over your place of residence.
Enclose a copy of the front and back of your green card and two photos
taken according to CIS specifications (two passport-type photos). There
is a CIS processing fee, and, if you are under age 75, there is a
biometrics fee. If you are unable to pay the processing fee and
the biometrics fee, you may apply for a fee waiver. However, this may
delay the processing of your application for naturalization.

2. You will be required to appear for fingerprinting at a CIS Application Support Center.

3. After your security checks are completed, you will be interviewed by
a CIS officer. At the interview, which will be conducted in English,
you will be asked questions about your application. Additionally, you
must demonstrate your knowledge of U.S. history and government. If you
are eligible for a waiver of the English language requirement, you will
still need to attend an interview. Depending on your lcoal procedures,
you may be able to bring an interpreter to your interview or CIS will
provide an interpreter.

4. If you pass the interview, you will be instructed when and where you
can take the Oath of Allegiance. You are not a U.S. citizen until you
have taken this oath. Waiver of the oath may be available to
individuals who are unable to take the oath because of severe
disability.

[Jalili]

Interesting stuff, I will have to read it a bit more to get the full gist of it.

[Black7Sun]

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Your correction has been duly noted. First off I would like to say, Peace brotha. This topic is very hard to digest. I lost my job after 12 years for protesting about these very topics, located in the Constitution.

I was in my last 2 years of service, when I started reading the Articles of United States Constitution. Never mattered me no nevermind to ever consider.

I was in alot of pain were I was working. So I had a desk job for a while. This gave me alot of time to study. These laws and previous conditions of servitude are scary, and disheartening. They are heinous, and for people downed all the time, we always look for the highest principles of what we consider justice, and law to mean.

But, the law, is the law. I would like to consider your thoughts about this subject. I don't want to be inconsiderate to what you believe to be true. I liked to know what you believe to be the truth. These are the interpretations of people who have been practicing racial prejustice for centuries. If this is a subject you would like to further dialogue about. Let me point out the law that you are requesting:

Black7Sun: ..."I meant say that you still did not illustrate the stipulation of law where slavery of Blacks born in this country is suppose to continue after inception the 14th Amendment.

Right. Previous condition of servitude. Ok. Are you familiar with the Grandfather Clause? It allowed men to vote, even if they did not meet new requirements, based on their having ancestors who had the right to vote before the Civil War – effectively limiting the exemption to white men. The original grandfather clauses were contained in new state constitutions and Jim Crow laws passed before 1977 to 1910 in many of the Southern United States to prevent blacks from voting.

An exemption to such requirements was made for all persons allowed to vote before the American Civil War, and any of their descendants, except blacks. The term grandfather clause arose from the fact that the laws tied the then-current generation's voting rights to those of their grandfathers.

According to Black's Law Dictionary, some Southern states adopted constitutional provisions exempting from the literacy requirements descendants of those who fought in the army or navy of the United States or of the Confederate States during a time of war.

Most blacks could not vote until after passage of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, that's 95 years. Ratification in 1964 of the Twenty-fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution prohibited the use of poll taxes in federal elections, but some states continued to use them in state elections.

The 1965 Voting Rights Act had provisions to protect voter registration and access to elections, with federal enforcement and supervision where necessary.

The twist here is that Black people, aren't naturalized yet, as Marcus Garvey so elequently pointed out.

Maybe, that's why they try and get black folks to join the millitary. Because you have to take the Oath of Allegiance. This oath, is taken before you go to boot camp. I'm not sure if this form N-400 is signed. But ,the Oath of Allegiance present. You are not a U.S. citizen until you have taken this oath, at there Recruting Station. But if you are black, you still aren't a First class citizen.

GOD willing I'm going to ask a recruiter why citizens have to take thise oath at the recruiting station's.

Japanese American internment refers to the forcible relocation and internment of approximately 110,000 Japanese nationals and Japanese Americans to housing facilities called "War Relocation Camps", in the wake of Imperial Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor.

The internment of Japanese Americans was applied unequally throughout the United States. Japanese Americans residing on the West Coast of the United States were all interned, whereas in Hawaii, where over 150,000 Japanese Americans composed nearly a third of that territory's population, an additional 1,200 to 1,800 Japanese Americans were interned. Of those interned, 62 percent were United States citizens.

They were considered enemy aliens. Not even 2nd class citizens


Black people stranded 4 days after Katrina after math. Refugees. Aliens; Enemy's of the state of Lousiana. Executed, shot down for escaping to where some food and water might be.

By white people afraid of there, equals . . . They shot black children walking around with new hats on there head. And bragged about it on video, right on line, on youtube.

They were allowed full demarchy. Who authorized white people to shoot down black citizens during duress, cause they were afraid? No my friend, they were using there citizenship immunity's and priveledges.

Did black people take revenge? Did black folks start killing innocent white citizens?


With the complete dissolution of government, common law was replaced by citizen's juries, like during Jim crow. That's why almost 2 years after the massacre of innocent Katrina citizens, the only law raised up against White Southerns was gun confiscation. Just scandoulous.

But they did show armed millitary people going door to door.




The Naturalization Procedure


1. You must file form N-400, Application for Naturalization, with the
USCIS Service Center having jurisdiction over your place of residence.
Enclose a copy of the front and back of your green card and two photos
taken according to CIS specifications (two passport-type photos). There
is a CIS processing fee, and, if you are under age 75, there is a
biometrics fee. If you are unable to pay the processing fee and
the biometrics fee, you may apply for a fee waiver. However, this may
delay the processing of your application for naturalization.

2. You will be required to appear for fingerprinting at a CIS Application Support Center.

3. After your security checks are completed, you will be interviewed by
a CIS officer. At the interview, which will be conducted in English,
you will be asked questions about your application. Additionally, you
must demonstrate your knowledge of U.S. history and government. If you
are eligible for a waiver of the English language requirement, you will
still need to attend an interview. Depending on your lcoal procedures,
you may be able to bring an interpreter to your interview or CIS will
provide an interpreter.

4. If you pass the interview, you will be instructed when and where you
can take the Oath of Allegiance. You are not a U.S. citizen until you
have taken this oath. Waiver of the oath may be available to
individuals who are unable to take the oath because of severe
disability.

Greetings Brother, I've read your last post and still don't see the factual grounds of your premise. Let me put it like this (and I'm not trying to talk down to you), in such dialogue, it is appropriate to present the actual law(s) along with your argument which should be easy 'cause all that's need to be done on a computer is to copy and paste it.

You're now bringing up the "GRANDFATHER CLAUSE". Please provide the exact wording of this law and show how it applies specifically to your hypothesis where you claim that, for Blacks, slavery was never lawfully abolished. In the said clause you gave, I saw you stated that, "most blacks could not vote until after passage of the 1965 Voting Rights Act". However, you failed to elaborate on how it was that other Blacks were lawfully participating in all manners of voting in this country (local, state and federal) long before 1965.

As for "Naturalization", I thought that that particular law only applied to people who come here from a foreign country seeking citizenship. Not those who were already born here (read it for yourself).

Naturalization

[Pragmatic]

A Century of Lawmaking for a New Nation: U.S. Congressional Documents and Debates, 1774 - 1875

Quick note:
U.S. Constitution - Amendment 14
Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights

Notes for this amendment:
Proposed 6/13/1866
Ratified 7/9/1868

U.S. Constitution - Amendment 14 - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


Brotha. The Naturalization Act was passed 3 years after the 14th Amendment.

But, that's not even the clincher.




I posted the Miranda Rights and the definition of affidavit. If you detained by police, and claim you know your rights, you may be committing fraud. You may have committed fraud, unless you have been Naturalized. Alot of African People, out of imcompetence of there Alien status, claim to know there rights, under oath.

By virtue of law, unless African people are Naturalized, as seen above, we are unlawfully, assuming the capacity of a citizen of the United States of America. Which is punishable by imprisonent.






Here are the Miranda rights

You have the right to remain silent and refuse to answer questions. Do you understand?

Anything you do say may be used against you in a court of law. Do you understand?

You have the right to consult an attorney before speaking to the police and to have an attorney present during

questioning now or in the future. Do you understand?

If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you before any questioning if you wish. Do you understand?

If you decide to answer questions now without an attorney present you will still have the right to stop answering at any time until you talk to an attorney. Do you understand?

Knowing and understanding your rights as I have explained them to you, are you willing to answer my questions without an attorney

written statement of facts voluntarily made by an affiant under an oath or affirmation administered by a person authorized to do so by law.
Distinctions

An affidavit is voluntarily made without any cross-examination of the affiant and, therefore, is not the same as a deposition, a record of an examination of a witness or a party made either voluntarily or pursuant to a subpoena, as if the party were testifying in court under cross-examination. A pleading—a request to a court to exercise its judicial power in favor of a party that contains allegations or conclusions of facts that are not necessarily verified—differs from an affidavit, which states facts under oath.
Basis

An affidavit is based upon either the personal knowledge of the affiant or his or her information and belief. Personal knowledge is the recognition of particular facts by either direct observation or experience. Information and belief is what the affiant feels he or she can state as true, although not based on firsthand knowledge.
The Affiant

Any person having the intellectual capacity to take an oath or make an affirmation and who has knowledge of the facts that are in dispute may make an affidavit. There is no age requirement for an affiant. As long as a person is old enough to understand the facts and the significance of the oath or affirmation he or she makes, the affidavit is valid. A criminal conviction does not make a person incapable of making an affidavit, but an adjudication of Incompetency does.

Someone familiar with the matters in question may make an affidavit on behalf of another, but that person's authority to do so must be clear. A guardian may make an affidavit for a minor or insane person incapable of doing so. An attorney may make an affidavit for a client if it is impossible for the client to do so. When necessary to the performance of duties, a Personal Representative, agent, or corporate officer or partner may execute an affidavit that indicates the capacity in which the affiant acts.
A court cannot force a person to make an affidavit, since, by definition, an affidavit is a voluntary statement.
The Taker of the Affidavit

Any public officer authorized by law to administer oaths and affirmations—such as city recorders, court clerks, notaries, county clerks, commissioners of deeds, and court commissioners—may take affidavits. Justices of the peace and magistrates are sometimes authorized to take affidavits. Unless restricted by state law, judges may take affidavits involving controversies before them.
An officer cannot take affidavits outside of the particular jurisdiction in which he or she exercises authority. The source of this authority must appear at the bottom of the affidavit. A notary, for example, would indicate the county in which he or she is commissioned and the expiration date of the commission.
An official seal is not essential to the validity of the affidavit but may be placed on it by the proper official.
The Oath or Affirmation

Unless otherwise provided by statute, an oath is essential to an affidavit. The statement of the affiant does not become an affidavit unless the proper official administers the oath.
When religious convictions prevent the affiant from taking an oath, he or she may affirm that the statements in the affidavit are true.


No wonder they don't tell you about your citizenship. It would kill the Prison industry. You are a Sovereign Citizen of Africa first, hence, dual citizenship.



ABOLITION OF SUFFRAGE QUALIFICATIONS ON BASIS OF RACE
FindLaw: U.S. Constitution: Fifteenth Amendment: Annotations pg. 1 of 2






Peace be upon you

[Black7Sun]

Damn, I like your style (or as the street-lingo use to go, "your gangsta' "). Now that's how it's done. I'll definitely get back to this.

[Pragmatic]

Patience is the seat of Heaven -African Proverb

Peace be upon you, and thank you for allowing me to be of service, GOD willing.

[SoularFlarez]

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Black7Sun: ..."If you're referring to the 14th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, the newly freed slaves come under that jurisdiction. The generation that was immediately came afterward was sovereign citizens in the particular state they were born in. What you're referring to, if I comprehend what you're saying correctly, only apply to the newly freed slaves.

That's one of the reasons why I say that Brothers and Sisters better be really careful of that "reparations" game 'cause ties you back to the Fourteenth Amendment...."

Actually, brotha, it applies to the decendants of slaves, as well. That's why Amendment 15 says, "...shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, orprevious condition of servitude. It was never the intention to grant African people full citizenships rights.


..."The generation that was immediately came afterward was sovereign citizens in the particular state they were born in..."

Free people before the Emancipation Proclamation could be sold into slavery, just for being without work.

Europeans were citizens prior to the Constitution. Africans, were not.

Article 2, Clause 5: Qualifications for office of the President
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President..."This Article was never amended. Showing that the writers of the Constitution, were never short of words.

Obama, was elected, on the grounds, that his natural born father, was born in Kenya. His natural born mother, was white.

They even used this article in the Supreme Court, but the case was shot down.

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US Supreme Court refuses to take up Obama citizenship case

Dec 8, 2008
WASHINGTON (AFP) — The US Supreme Court on Monday rejected a case filed by a New Jersey voter who questioned whether president-elect Barack Obama was a "natural born" American, a prerequisite for running for the White House.
In the case, plaintiff Leo Donofrio also alleged that Obama's rival for the presidency, Republican John McCain, was not an American citizen from birth because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936.
The Zone was controlled by the United States until 1979.
The court did not give a reason for rejecting the case, which was the second such challenge the justices have refused to take up in recent weeks.
In the earlier case, which the court threw out on the eve of the historic election in which Obama beat McCain to become the first African-American to be elected president of the United States, Pennsylvania lawyer Philip Berg alleged that Obama was born in Kenya, his father's homeland.
According to a birth certificate for Obama made public by his campaign, the president-elect was born in Hawaii in August 1961, two years after the archipelago became a state.
The US constitution provides the framework for the law on who is a citizen, saying in the 14th amendment: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
Laws passed since the constitution are more specific about who is a citizen at birth.
They include anyone born inside the United States, a person born in a US possession if one parent is a citizen and lived in the United States for at least a year; and anyone born outside the United States to at least one US-citizen parent who has lived in the US for a minimum of five years.

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Article 2, Clause 5: Qualifications for office of the President
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President..."This Article was never amended. Showing that the writers of the Constitution, were never short of words.

Obama, was elected, on the grounds, that his natural born father, was born in Kenya. His natural born mother, was white.

They even used this article in the Supreme Court, but the case was shot down.

keywords.... at that time.........

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Greetings all: The 13th Amendment legalizes slavery. " Neither Slavery, nor Involuntary Servitude EXCEPT FOR THE PUNISHMENT OF A CRIME, where the party shall have been DULY CONVICTED. " So, when we are DULY CONVICTED, we can return to the Modern Day Plantation.

By the way, there were 5 Black Presidents b4 Barack. T. Jefferson, A. Jackson, W. Harding, C. Coolidge and A. Lincoln. 6, if you include J. Hanson.

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For so long, we have been lied to about so many things, that it is time for the truth to be told. The 13th Amendment is legal slavery, that's why so many of us are in prison. The genetic survival of non-pigmentated blacks(whites)relies on the extention of the pigmentated blacks. Their creation is hidden in the Bible, when it speaks of Yaqub(jacob) grafting the cattle. The Qur'an speaks about them when it speaks of the people in the cave. They have secretly hid things in the Bible that was translated so many times. What does a person say at the end of prayer ? AMEN(RA). MY Brothas and Sistas, the Bible and Qur'an is our history.
9/11 is in the book of REVOLUTION(Revelation). The President is in the old Testament and Revelation. Trust me. The day of JUDGMENT has been here! They know what's going on and they put in movies. The movie " KNOWING " with Nickolas Cage is a pay attention movie. PAY ATTENTION !!!!!!!!!!! WAKE UP ALL THE WAY MY PEOPLE !!!!! WAKE UP !!!!!