REVOLUTION NOW or REVOLUTION AS A PROCESS?

[Akyeame Kwame]

htp Okulaja,

i'm with the organizing, educating, and agitating...and with the use of the principles of scorched earth applied to Our contextual reality. this position is difficult given Our forced/coerced/competent and legitimate authoritized/influenced and manipulated interdependence/dependence on whitey. in my few years i've seen those who are organized, educated and agitating sent away to the boondocks of whiteyville in two feet of snow when their jobs transfer them or their spouses...i've seen others reject their newly acquired sense that don't feed their children...i've seen those whose ideology is on more on point than a sharpened pencil but whose environment and conditions or their own choices keep their actions from making anything uninhabitable for repressive alien repressive forces anywhere near what physical scorched earth campaigns entailed. i can't say that the objective conditions are completely in place b/c in addition to repression of the people to control, they are also generous to control in the sense that very few Afrikans educated or not are ready to voluntarily or otherwise get rid of whitey's enslaving provisions of food, clothes, shelter etc. even in the sense that the posters, leaflets, and other paper products are courtesy of white world terror domination.

Akyeame_Kwame

[OKULAJA]

Originally Posted by Akyeame_Kwame

htp Okulaja,

i'm with the organizing, educating, and agitating...and with the use of the principles of scorched earth applied to Our contextual reality. this position is difficult given Our forced/coerced/competent and legitimate authoritized/influenced and manipulated interdependence/dependence on whitey. in my few years i've seen those who are organized, educated and agitating sent away to the boondocks of whiteyville in two feet of snow when their jobs transfer them or their spouses...i've seen others reject their newly acquired sense that don't feed their children...i've seen those whose ideology is on more on point than a sharpened pencil but whose environment and conditions or their own choices keep their actions from making anything uninhabitable for repressive alien repressive forces anywhere near what physical scorched earth campaigns entailed. i can't say that the objective conditions are completely in place b/c in addition to repression of the people to control, they are also generous to control in the sense that very few Afrikans educated or not are ready to voluntarily or otherwise get rid of whitey's enslaving provisions of food, clothes, shelter etc. even in the sense that the posters, leaflets, and other paper products are courtesy of white world terror domination.

Akyeame_Kwame

Yeah, I've witnessed that as well with Organizers. Its a reality of the internal contradictions of our Movement that you point out. Like, the reason I can be online all day and chat with you all is because I'm sitting in a cubicle working for cracka-jack. I'd much rather chat with you all for a while, then be out in the Streets organizing during the weekdays. Most of my Community Work is done after work or on the weekends. Its just a reality of the situation, gotta pay da bills and provide for the Family, u know. However, I am working my Plan to become economically self-sufficient.

Collective work and responsibility and Cooperative-Economics are definitely principles that we must continue to raise the struggle to work towards. As we organize in the community and build a strong community base, these principles can be implemented to provide genuine economic development to our community.

And the reality is that we are on a global plantation. During chattel slavery we had to use what we could find on the plantation in our favor. A plot of land over in the corner behind the slave quarters to grow our own food, or even the pitch fork to stab the overseers ass with. Such is the reality of Colonialism, DEPENDENCE. Its a struggle that didn't start with our generation, we strive to finish it in our lifetime, however the reality is that we may not.

[Akyeame Kwame]

peace Okulaja,
i guess that's the crux of the first view...something needs to be done that (temporarily and/or permanently) disrupts/prevents voluntary and involuntary dependence on, support of and servitude to white world terror domination...everyday WE (including those most against the system ideologically) make it grow stronger and stronger continuing its program of universal genocide for profit and profit for genocide. something needs to be done to the effect that even if one wanted to try to support white world terror domination in any of its various facets it wouldn't even be possible or practical...Our people are very practical.

Akyeame_Kwame

[Jahness]

Greetings Akyeame_Kwame

To me movement means the immediate rejection of my oppression. My mind body and spirit, communicated in sync and said "oh no something is not right with this feeling I am feeling". The very first time I felt that feeling that something was wrong with my being and my very existence in conjunction with my evironment. That moment that light of consciousness, went off inside of me and I became aware that I was being oppressed.

Does anyone else remember that moment or when they began to feel that way?

From then on I made moves, small and maybe insignificant to others, But I tried my best to get off that damm slave ship. I moved to liberate my mind, never really thinking that I couldn't do it. For me that was not an option. I knew things had to change in my life, and I knew it had to start with me. It meant I had to consciously look at everything and everyone around me and say to myself is it only me that is feeling this way?

Now remember, all of this was going on in my little life and my little mind growing up in Trinidad. Then I first head about the Black Power movement, labor rights organizations, political parties, rallies, Marches etc. Then I got pamphlets, books, and I started to read.

When I heard and read, and listened to speeches that others wanted the same thing and fought and died to make those changes then I now knew of the bigger movement. This is where I made sure that my education about my people and their oppression went into full gear, and i never looked back. It made me who I am today.

I think the movement can start with the individual person, who then bonds with people of similar persuasions to create the "MOVEMENT". The "MOVEMENT" now will consist of conscious individuals willing to do their part of organizing, for the success of the whole which will ultimately lead to the liberation of themself and their people.

We don't necessarily need to have a Marcus, Castro, Stoakely, or Malcolm, to have a movement start, but by default the movement "births" or "breeds" these personalities with their visions, strength and courage to manifest into profound leaders that the movement utilizes to go forward and ultimately to some form of victory in the struggle.

Revolution Now. UHURU!

One Love & Respect Always

[OKULAJA]

Jahness, the Movement is well under way. Just get in where you fit in.

Here are a few aspects of it:

http://inpdum.org
http://burningspearuhuru.com
http://asiuhuru.org/
http://apspuhuru.org

[Jahness]

Greetings and thanks for sharing OKULAJA. I will get in where I fit in!


One Love & Respect Always

[Akyeame Kwame]

Responses Jahness,

I appreciate you sharing your story with us. I feel you on that transformative moment and that motivation that comes to take any and every opportunity to be consistent with what WE say WE're about. That is certainly a way to create REVOLUTION through the process of self-development...I also feel Okulaja's commitment to organizing and keeping the movement moving thru organization.

It seems that both of you are leaning towards the second view, correct?

Akyeame_Kwame

[Little95]

How many org's do us Afrikans have? Don't all we need is 1? That's the problem we too organized & not united!!!!! Unite & organization falls into place. Example, when you & wifey (mommy & daddy) unite don't everythang get handled & orginazing falls into place? We too organized & this created seperation you have AAPRP's, UNIA's INPDUM, Delta's, AKA's, Muslims, Christians etc... When we unite & organize as 1 we will be i-ight!!! Meaning if UNIA's, Churches, Deltas ain't on freedom we won't get it. Until all Afrikans speak on UNITY NO MATTER what RELIGION, SCHOOL, OR CITY we'll still be basically divided, then terminated!!!! Y we can't find 1 common ground (i.e. electricity has a common ground) that connect us all no matter what so-called org. (if it ain't the mamland then yo org. is wack to me)? With no unity we will chase tails all day & night!!!!

[RecoveringAA]

Originally Posted by Little95

How many org's do us Afrikans have? Don't all we need is 1? That's the problem we too organized & not united!!!!! Unite & organization falls into place. Example, when you & wifey (mommy & daddy) unite don't everythang get handled & orginazing falls into place? We too organized & this created seperation you have AAPRP's, UNIA's INPDUM, Delta's, AKA's, Muslims, Christians etc... When we unite & organize as 1 we will be i-ight!!! Meaning if UNIA's, Churches, Deltas ain't on freedom we won't get it. Until all Afrikans speak on UNITY NO MATTER what RELIGION, SCHOOL, OR CITY we'll still be basically divided, then terminated!!!! Y we can't find 1 common ground (i.e. electricity has a common ground) that connect us all no matter what so-called org. (if it ain't the mamland then yo org. is wack to me)? With no unity we will chase tails all day & night!!!!

NOW ......

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING BOUT!!!
"Well, Leaders we got to Unite" (Luciano tune)....and "We'reee in this Love together".... (forget artist, old school R & B artist) OOPS do we have the type that will last Forever?

[Akyeame Kwame]

Peace Little95,

this goes back to Kwame Ture's "the student's role in revolution" speech mentioned earlier in the thread, where he was talking about just because people are against the same thing they aren't necessarily for the same thing. so my question becomes unite around what and to what end?...

you got folks who are for what others are against and against what others are for. they got a group called queer people of color around here that's fighting for the right to duke each other up the butt and lick each others coochies (excuse the vulgarity)...where's my parallel to that? you got some Black socialists who you can't separate from their whitey "workers" and "masses" or cave of europe inspired ideological framework long enough to be like let's unite around US all being Afrikan...you got blood-sucking "hebrews" sucking the money out of the Black "community" and pumping it into israel's economy...where's my parallel to that? WE're going to unite to do what? you got folks that are for a lot of b.s. much less finding common ground of being against something...there are folks that are against white supremacy...cool...others against capitalism (but cool with "red" whiteys)...others against racism (including so called "Black racism" whatever that is).

Should people be forced into being part of the same program...maybe... but the b.s. gotta be stomped out.

when i look at the continent i see different ethnic groups that were "united" into states for the purpose of exploitation b/c it would have been too difficult to oppress the thousand groups otherwise...i see folks on the continent willing to unite...but around b.s...so you have folks transcending to whatever degree ethnic boundaries to unite around whitey-worship (christianity) or arab-worshipping (guess) or uniting in a whitey-controlled state apparatus...if you ain't for what they're uniting around you ain't about to be uniting with them...and you probably wouldn't want to.

Akyeame_Kwame

[Little95]

Unite around the principality of freedom!!!! Which all of these groups would have in common & for those who think they are, are full a SHIT!!! Read my "venting" post I made i think it answers the question of unity!!! We cannot unite when You think u Jamaican & I think I'm Amerikkkan... When the FACT is we are AFRIKAN 1st & foremost!!! And no hip-hop WON'T work, no nothing will but freedom spewing out the mouf of ERRY nigga in the WORLD!!! When we got niggas trying to be YT & not Afrikan that's YT TO ME THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE!!! WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHO THE ENEMY IS OR WHAT THEY WANT!!! THEY USE LIBERALS YT AS THEY WEAPONS OF CHOICE & QWE BUY IT. CASE & POINT WHEN HIP-HOP TOOK IN M&M I KNEW IT WAS OVER. NIGGA WANT YT ACCEPTANCE & THAT'S THE ISSUE SELL-OUTS!!!!! WANTING TO BE YT. POINT, HOW MANY OF US HAVE AFRIKAN NAMES VS YT NAMES? (I HAVE A YT NAME) OUR ADULTS DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE YT HUH? SO THIS IS Y WE ARE IN THE SHOES WE ARE IN NOW. IF THEY HELPED NAT TURNER WE WOULD BE FREE!!! BUT THEY DIDN'T & NO 1 RODE FOR MARTIN, MEDGAR, MALCOLM,BLAQ WALL ST., DIALLOU, NO ONE BUT A BASEHEAD KING & WE AIN'T DO THAT RIGHT?!! DAMN MY DUDE WE ARE STOOPID, & CAN'T FIND A COMMON GROUND TO UNITE ON BUT OTHERS CAN WITH NO PROBLEM. WE HAVE TO SHUT UP & RIDE EVEN IF YOU DON'T WANT TO, MANY NIGGA DON'T WANT TO WORK BUT DO CAUSE THEY GOT TOO. WELL THAT'S ALL WE GOTTA DO!!!!
T PROTECT THE REAL LEADERS WE HAVE JACKSON & SHARPTON, WHO CHURCH GOERS LUV BEING CON'D BY!

[Akyeame Kwame]

so how do you unite with confused Afrikans who are diametrically opposed to your freedom? who are against Afrikans and for their little fragment that they happened to be born on? or who include a-rabs and dutch boers as Afrikan? with someone who'll die to protect they yt name yt job yt clothes yt everything? who would advocate that WE unite with that crap...i say only a group with enough sense to take power and control could get these knee-grows to unite around anything that's not subtle suicide through drop squads, decontamination chambers, quarantines...until then, i know i ain't trying to unite with no knee-grows that are conscientiously fighting against my freedom.

Akyeame_Kwame

[Jahness]

Greetings Akyeame Kwame

Revolution as a Process is necessary in order for us to win with the masses support. Bottom line is, if we don’t have the masses support, then all we have is a bunch of sellouts, and the price will vary depending on how bad the person who is seeking the info wants it.

I also agree with Okulaja's commitment to organizing and keeping the movement moving thru organization. The only thing is that we must find a way to organize the masses if we are to truly succeed at the revolution. The masses are not fed up enough with their or pain and suffering. Some how they have convinced themselves that the state they are living in is ok.

Not many of our people are willing to sacrifice what they have or even a little portion of it for a better future and ultimately our liberation as a people. With our current leaders not really standing for anything but a political paycheck or trying to fit in with the oppressor’s inner circle, the masses are not giving up the little scraps they think they have. The masses are not stupid either, they just act as if they are. They do not trust any of our black leaders. The everyday politician is against one issue today and for the same issue tomorrow and its usually an issue that will leave us even more oppressed.

They do not trust us as revolutionaries either. We are too militant and radical for them. We are too violent. They are looking at us as if we are just as bad as the oppressor, because as they would put it, when we cause trouble they feel the pain. At least they convince themselves that they are living under better conditions with the bogus politicians. Not realizing that their permanent condition, of endless poverty, racial discrimination, and down right slave work that they perform on a daily basis is what should make them rise up and fight for their own rights and ultimate liberation.

In my humble opinion the masses are truly scared and terrified because everyone of our true leaders who has stood for change has either been gunned down and murdered right in front of their eyes or facing the possibility of an endless prison sentence. This is the fear factor the white man is using so successfully as a deterrant for the masses to stay unorganized.

What Little95 is saying must be addressed as well. We already have too many organizations that are disconnected from each other but claim to be connected by the same cause of our freedom. At the end of the day resources are not pooled together. Each org's top man probably minus a few women sees the revolution on their own strength and their own egoes. How many people in some of these organizations really knows whats going on except maybe the top 10 people. The rest of the masses within these so called organizations have no clue what the fight is really about. After a person gets into one of these organizations, it becomes the new social club, instead of one that has to stay committed to the cause and the liberation of our people.

It will take a lot of work for us to gather the masses to fight for their own liberation. But at the same time, i think we as a people are willing to give up to easily. So far no one has paid for the death and suffering of Martin, Malcolm, Amadou, Nat, and all the other Afrikan men and women whose blood that was spilled unjustly. We didn't and don't make the white man pay full price for his wickedness and oppression, and he will never pay as long as he can get a sale.

Thanks for all those who shared. Stay committed comrads.

[Akyeame Kwame]

htp Jahness,

i can't see waiting for whiteys to make conditions bad enough for the masses, whoever that is, to want to do something

as you are mentioning, whiteys will make conditions 'good' even if it's only for a few people (usually the individual sell-outs and sometimes on a larger scale) for white world terror domination to continue to reign supreme

organization? i'm with organizing...i do organizing...but the question is organizing for something or against something? as much issue as i have with religions, the one thing they do is get people to fight FOR one thing in addition to against something (like bad conditions)...Freedom religion? maybe. but if WE're waiting for "the masses" to get fed up with their pain and suffering...WE might be in for a long wait. WE might need to create those conditions. an issue with organization is that it still occurs in the context of white supremacy and conditions controlled by white supremacy. Thru specific actions I think that their complete control of conditions can be disrupted. If the organizations you and little95 are describing with ten folks who know the deal can change the conditions cool. if not WE might need to look at what Amilcar Cabral did with half that amount of people.

i agree that whitey terrorism to invoke fear has "the masses" and "the revolutionaries" for the most part scared to death...i've seen the process mentality invoked to cover this up.

you are also right that blood reparations are the reparations that need to be paid...and those are the kinds of reparations that WE take and don't ask for. Good points.

Akyeame_Kwame

[Little95]

Wassup Kwame,
Seen that movie Drop Squad my dude? See my point was that our problem ain't nothing but "SELL-OUTS" off them then start the revolt!!!! A black devil is our only true enemy! YT themselves know they need agents to inflitrate, we need to stop givin up agents. Agents must learn that we'll do you worse than YT (i.e. yo mama offed, kids offed, etc...), we are in a brutal war & have to get brutal & I don't think we are willing! That's the problem in addition to all org's must speak freedom (i.e. when a minister givin his sermon he can say something like Moses was able to be great because he was free & then tell the church thats y it's important to be free). If people learning bout the Mamaland would hear bout Imenhotep then told that you can do that when you're free. In school if the teachers talk bout Bannaker & say imagine what he could have done if he was free on top of the thangs he aleady did. Implement this & I can't see how u go wrong. But if no one think freedom is needed then we are here the point where we are at now!!! FREEDOM IS THE UNITING FACTOR, THE UPPITY NEGRO KNOWS HE CAN'T BE PRESIDENT HUH? SO IT HAS TO BE PUT IN PERSPECTIVE FOR THE PEOPLE, WE NEED RALLIES & LESS ORG'S, RALLIES LEAD TO MOVEMENTS & THAT'S WHAT IS NEEDED WE NEED SPEAKERS TO GET THE PEOPLE HYPE & STEERED IN THE PROPER DIRECTION W/ LUV & RESPECT FOR EVERY BLK BODY IN THE WORLD THAT'S WHAT'S NEEDED to me!!!