mutabaruka on religious hardtalk

[Rahameem Israel]

Do you have to believe in the divinity of Sallassie I to be rasta?

[G1deon]

To call oneself "Rasta", yes you must see the divinity in Selassie.

The "Rasta" name itself stems from Ras Tafari which is the birth name of H.I.M. Haile Selassie I,before his Coronation.

I have started to reason with an old Rasta who's locks now nearly touch the ground. He has said he does not 'believe' in Selassie, but I think that was said more or less to see where I stand as I see it.

[Rahameem Israel]

Originally Posted by g1deon

to Call Oneself "rasta", Yes You Must See The Divinity In Selassie.

The "rasta" Name Itself Stems From Ras Tafari Which Is The Birth Name Of H.i.m. Haile Selassie I,before His Coronation.

I Have Started To Reason With An Old Rasta Who's Locks Now Nearly Touch The Ground. He Has Said He Does Not 'believe' In Selassie, But I Think That Was Said More Or Less To See Where I Stand As I See It.

I Dont Believe In The Divinity Of "selassie I" . I Stand With "muta" And His Reasonings On The Subject. I Can Roll With Everything Rasta But "selassie I" Im Down With Garvey, Afrika, Ethiopia, Pan-africanism, Black Nationalism, Then Comes The Wrench, Some Jesus Figure That Is Dead Yet Alive, Coming To Save The Black People From Babylon.....right!..... That Religious Stuff Was Infiltrated Into The Movement And Has Been Held Stagnated, Mostly By White Rasta And That Rasta Church They Run, But Thats Another Story Read "rasta And Resistence" By "horace Compbell". As For "rastafari" Thats A Title Not A Name, So You Can Use That Without Addressing Selassie I.

[G1deon]

From Mutabaruka's words, H.I.M. is the nucleus of Rastafari and the way of his life. You CANNOT separate H.I.M. and Rastafari.

Originally Posted by Rahameem Israel

I Dont Believe In The Divinity Of "selassie I" . I Stand With "muta" And His Reasonings On The Subject. I Can Roll With Everything Rasta But "selassie I"

divinity - the word divinity is often used to refer to the single, supreme being central to that faith. (are broadly applied but loosely defined terms, used variously within different faiths and belief systems — and even by different individuals)



I will use ONLY quotes I have taken from the video:

3 of 11 - 1:30

...concept of H.I.M. is in the manifestations of the livity of Rastafari and not in the learnt understanding of Rastafari in the bible ...problem of Rastafari, is when they started to use the bible to validate H.I.M.

3 of 11 - 5:35

...There is a learnt behavior in Rastafari and there is an experienced behavior in Rastafari ...most of us learn the behavior thru the bible ...babylon term and others from the bible

4 of 11 - 1:03

...ideal, that H.I.M. is god, so examining ourself with this ideal, you start to go into the hills, you want to start to stop certain things... ...Rasta is not a religion, it is a way of life

4 of 11 - 3:18

...the ideal of Selassie has allowed dispossessed people who was domicile on this former slave plantation island to develop a theogy that can carry them into a way of life ...but without that, they would of never found it because the christian doctrine was not able to put that in place

4 of 11 - 8:00

...when him look upon H.I.M., him say H.I.M. is I and that mean him and H.I.M. is one ...there is no difference between H.I.M. and I in Rastafari ...the only way you gonna find that conscientious in Rastafari is thru the livity, not the biblical perception

5 of 11 - 3:10

...the belief in H.I.M. defines you to move to this livity

5 of 11 - 3:23

Question: If a man don't have this, him can't say he a Rasta?
Muta: ...H.I.M. is the nucleus of his existence

5 of 11 - 4:17

...Rastafari is a Black power movement with a spiritual theological nucleus ...the divine self, the energy of self, the recognition of this divine person in I is what H.I.M. represents ...if you believe of H.I.M. it is carrying I to I self ...if you cannot understand it, it is because your former perception, concepts that rule your understanding

5 of 11 - 6:42

...supremely is H.I.M. to I ...supreme being, meaning, it is above the beings ...what I recognize in this individual is something I need for myself

7 of 11 - 3:13

...[H.I.M.] is a symbol of my way of life

10 of 11 - 7:12

...locks is not unique to Rasta, because you have the Sadus(spelling) , now because me and the Sadus have locks, it's similar, but not the same

Originally Posted by Rahameem Israel

...Then Comes The Wrench, Some Jesus Figure That Is Dead Yet Alive, Coming To Save The Black People From Babylon

11 of 11 - 2:50

...from I say Rasta, in the perception of H.I.M., I never see him as this Jesus Christ

Originally Posted by Rahameem Israel

That Religious Stuff Was Infiltrated Into The Movement And Has Been Held Stagnated, Mostly By White Rasta And That Rasta Church They Run, But Thats Another Story Read "rasta And Resistence" By "horace Compbell".

I agree that is another story

Originally Posted by Rahameem Israel

As For "rastafari" Thats A Title Not A Name, So You Can Use That Without Addressing Selassie I.

Ras = Prince
Tafari = Tafari Makonnen, the pre-coronation name of Haile Selassie I

[Rahameem Israel]

I Agree With What You Got Here Brutha Im Just Saying I Dont See Selassie I As A "god" Or A "saviour" Some View Him As A "jesus Figure" And If I Dont Accept "jesus" How Can I Accept "selassie I" In That Biblical Sense. Did He Not Even Say He Was Not This Person They Said He Was? Thats All Im Sayin Brutha You Can Still Be Rasta Puting H.i.m. In A Historical Context And Not A Religious One. That One Non Belief Cant Negate All The Other Things That Embody "rastafari" That One Holds Dear In His Essence Can It?