Black people, guns, & the supreme court ruling

[Dr. G]

The recent Supreme Court ruling affirming the individual right to own firearms can have a dynamically powerful affect on the Black community if we take advantage of it in the proper way. Polititions, Jesse Jackson, and other cooperative sheeple are whining and complaining that this rulling will somehow magically transform this country into a war zone, while they completely ignore the fact that with the excpetion of New york city, Chicago, Washington D.C. and a few other select places with large Black populations can not only have guns in their home but may acquire a concealed carry permit to carry them on the streets as well.

The only thing that gun bans accomplish is preventing otherwise law abiding citizens from protecting themselves and creating a target rich environment for criminals. The police had excellent response times in both the Lane Bryant massacre* in Tinnley Park and the Northern Illinois university massacres**. Unfortunately, their excellent response times were not able to save a single soul. In both cases all of the victims were all dead before the police arrived. The only people in a position to have stopped or limited the carnage in either massacre were the victims themselves. How different might the outcome have been if even one of the victims had been armed and able to fight back??? Why does the city of Evanston, Chicago, or State of Illinois require me, by law, to be a defenseless, helpless victim??? Prior to 1987 only 8 states had concealed carry In the last 21 years 40 states have adopted concealed carry laws. Not a single state turned into "Dodge City" as the anti-gun nuts predicted. In fact the crime rate drops by an average of 20 to 25% when concealed carry laws are passed.
Poloticians need to stop wasting taxpayer monies on failed gun bans and give all honest law abiding citizens the right not only to have a gun in their home but to carry one on the streets. Illinois and Wisconsin need to join the other 48 states and allow concealed carry. What we need are facts, not fear mongering.

Let me ask some retorical questions (meaning don't give me an answer, but think about it, and answer yourself). How many members on this forum live in states that allow concealed carry ( everybody that doesn't live in Illinois or Wisconsin)? How many people who live in those states have acquired their concealed carry permit? Why not? Of those who have their permits how many have sought out professional training? Why not?

The biggest myth of all myths regarding defensive shooting is: "I COULD SHOOT STRIGHT IF I HAD TO!!!" No, you really can't. Any seasoned vet who has seen the elephant (meaning who has actually been in a real gunfight) will tell you that in a real shootout your skill will be about half of what it is on your best day at the range due to stress, adrinalin dump, etc. If you have a gun, get some professional training, shooting is a learned skill, not a magic trick!

* In January of 2008 six women were shot of which 5 of them died by a deranged gunman who escaped in Tinley Park, Illinois.
** On Feb. 14, 2008 five people were killed and 21 people injured by a deranged gunman who subsequently commits suicide at Northern Illinois University in Dekalb, Illinois.

[Langalibalele]

Cde. Dr. G, I beg to differ but it is extremely hard for me to stomach the pro-gun arguments about self-defense in the event of crime. Don't let the Steven Segal and Bruce Willis movies fool you: somebody thugging like me get the drop on you, that's all she wrote. All the guns and knives and throwing stars will avail you not. On the other hand, discussing armed self-defense on behalf of your community against the pigs, that's another question. We don't need any law for that. In fact the laws will never facilitate that eventuality.

[Dr. G]

Originally Posted by Langalibalele

Cde. Dr. G, I beg to differ but it is extremely hard for me to stomach the pro-gun arguments about self-defense in the event of crime. Don't let the Steven Segal and Bruce Willis movies fool you: somebody thugging like me get the drop on you, that's all she wrote. All the guns and knives and throwing stars will avail you not. On the other hand, discussing armed self-defense on behalf of your community against the pigs, that's another question. We don't need any law for that. In fact the laws will never facilitate that eventuality.

In other words I should not concern myself with petty criminal assholes who prey on our community because you morons (since you identify yourself as a thug) are simply too slick, and therefore its a hopeless battle, but I should focus on fighting the pigs instead. . Whats the difference between niggers* like yourself and flies, they are both full of shit, but the flies don't let it come back out of their mouth. According to you, the black community should ignore the white supremacists lap dogs (thugs) who hind out in black skin and fuck up the community on behalf of your beloved master cause youre too smart, slick and good at being bad. Well newsflash slick...the distinguishing feature of niggers who think they are slick is they think everybody else is dumber than themselves. I'd love to invite you to Chicago to try you thugging skills out on me. It always amazes me how the covert agents of white supremacy in the Black community tend to think of themselves as pro Black. What a useless, air-wasting joke. I got a better joke. Why did the thug cross the road...cause the white man said you could suck his dick if you fucked up enough black people!!!

* I don't normally refer to Black people as niggers, I only use it with assholes who live up to the name. Nigger=white folks invention to disrupt their own communities, spread disrespect and mistrust, and make their people miserable, so their master can sleep calmly and peacefully at night.

[Im The Truth]

Originally Posted by Langalibalele

Cde. Dr. G, I beg to differ but it is extremely hard for me to stomach the pro-gun arguments about self-defense in the event of crime. Don't let the Steven Segal and Bruce Willis movies fool you: somebody thugging like me get the drop on you, that's all she wrote. All the guns and knives and throwing stars will avail you not. On the other hand, discussing armed self-defense on behalf of your community against the pigs, that's another question. We don't need any law for that. In fact the laws will never facilitate that eventuality.

I have to disagree because the problem is all the criminals are armed and most of the people aren't this creates a major safety issue.

[Blackmind]

You never know what can happen out here on these streets. Gotta protect your immediate family by any means necessary. I'd hate to get into an situation in my building or on my block and not have a tool at disposal if the situation called for one.

However, I do agree that having a large number of armed people with concealed weapons could allow issues to escalate like they never have before. I guess I stand on both sides of the issue, but I'd ask for no ban at all. Because ban or no ban the people who want guns in my neighborhood will get guns and the people who don't want them won't get them. So regardless of the legislation, as long as the issue of gun trafficking into the community isn't being properly addressed, there will always be guns in the community.

[Langalibalele]

Originally Posted by Dr. G

In other words I should not concern myself with petty criminal assholes who prey on our community because you morons (since you identify yourself as a thug) are simply too slick, and therefore its a hopeless battle, but I should focus on fighting the pigs instead.
* I don't normally refer to Black people as niggers, I only use it with assholes who live up to the name. Nigger=white folks invention to disrupt their own communities, spread disrespect and mistrust, and make their people miserable, so their master can sleep calmly and peacefully at night.

While I aint a thug, if I were onna mission and got the drop, that attitude wont get you out of a jam. You can beef all you want, but it dont change the facts. If you want to go nigger hunting, maybe you are the white supremacist in black skin. I dint say what I sed to diss you but trying to keep it on a level. You decide what level that is.
Anyway, you missd the whole point about community self-defense. How'd that happen? I dont care about somebody having a damn gun to protect a few bucks in his pocket or a stereo in his house. If you need a gun for that, you're just as white supremacist as anybody. I dont like gettin jacked for my cash, but it's my fault FOR NOT WORKING IN MY COMMUNITY FOR MY COMMUNITY. Whatever cash somebody lifts off me wont kill me and wont slow my commitment to revolutionary work. We can get all the guns we want. We need BLACK LIBERATION, baby!