Attacked from all sides.

[TheQuestioner]

In our constant struggle with amerikkka and the white race we forget that we have more enemies that one. We must not forget that truly, black people are extremely discriminated by EVERY race on earth, even by their own people.(ie. colorism, tribalism, gangs, etc.)

We must watch out from all sides, for as soon as we defeat one enemy, another will rise up. That is why we should unite and work together. We should not think that just because some people are minorities that we are all in the same boat and should completely trust each other, this is a lie and should be erased from our minds.

I'm not saying hate everyone but your own race, but it is nessecary we black people should unite as one race but still should not completetly trust any other race.

After all, during slavery the slave were taught to trust their masters and not their own race and it didn't turn out so well.

In fact, most of our problems can be solved if black people unite and can be able to trust each other without disapointment. Most racism in the world is caused by non-whites against non-whites, despite what we believed. In the media they want to create the illusion that only whites are out to get black people. This causes black people to lower theirtheir gaurd against other races and leaves us open for an attack by another race.

If we unite we can become once again the great people of earth. Think of it, after the holocaust the jewish people united and, except for a few, became a very powerful group in the world. Many different major companies, resturants, small businesses and even the governments of north amerikkka fear to treat them unfairly. They have become a very powerful group.

If ALL black people were able to unite, we WOULD become the most powerful group on earth, but we must not forget to gaurd ourselves on all sides.

The Flame

[Elisa Keisha]

Greetings Questioner!

u have a point there... everything u said is a big truth.... anyways... I guess unity aint so easy as long as we talkin about this evil world... coz no matta if ur brothers or whateva u always gonna have confrontation... and u cant trust a brother just for the fact of being so... if u dont know him... I know this is not what u tryna say... but raisin the fact that in the real world one is always gonna be suspicious of the other...

[cornerkick]

Originally Posted by TheQuestioner

I'm not saying hate everyone but your own race, but it is nessecary we black people should unite as one race but still should not completetly trust any other race.

I understand about building up trust within our own race; that's paramount and that should happen first. But what would you say to trusting individuals of a different race? What if someone who wasn't black truly understood the state of the black race around the world and was down for the struggle? Shooting down potrential allies isn't productive. It's exactly this hostiity between different communities of color that needs to go. Black people, brown people, etc. We are all oppressed (why do so many black brothers forget this?). Maybe not in the same way or even equally, but we are all oppressed. Just think of all the power that we could all wield against the white race if we stopped squabbling and being mistrustful of each other and worked together. We would outnumber them then, wouldn't we? And there'd be a lot more of us than if that black race just worked alone. It's my understanding that the system in this country, the politicians, the collective "white man" WANT to divide us. He knows that there's strength in numbers and he'll only succeed if he keeps us mistrustful of each other.

[Elisa Keisha]

Originally Posted by cornerkick

IBut what would you say to trusting individuals of a different race? What if someone who wasn't black truly understood the state of the black race around the world and was down for the struggle? Shooting down potrential allies isn't productive.

No matter how down for the struggle or how much u understand... u always gonna have the shadow behind "she/he could betray me coz he/she aint black (enuf)". Some people just cant comprehend there are actually some ppl that care for more than their own behind...

Roses sustain butterflies too...and butterflies sustain roses... Nature speaks for Herself on that.

Stop readin so many books, give u a free day and go outside and look at ur neighbour's eyes. We are blessed with intuition enuf to trust it. (some know what Im talkin about)

[IfasehunReincarnated]

i reject any concept that has me place white people and other people of color in one boat. it has no historical basis. it has no political advantage. and it makes up militarly weak. and it a contradiction to spiritual reality. we are family with other people of color.

[Baba Ahmed]

As Queen 6 Shakur says: Revolutionary greetings to all and to baba yaw - hotep, including Afrikan's successful struggles til the last days!

Allow me to drop a word or two in passing. Or rather a question. Why is it that when Afrikans express affirmations for themselves, charges of implied "reverse racism" arise?

To add a thought to Baba Yaw's poetic lines, we be the only people who produces all other colors...

But we can't and have no divine obligation to protect all... will anyone here imagine a mama lionness leaving her breed to fight for and protect a safari partying krakka who aims to blow away a crocodile!?! Hell naw; she'll even chase away poppa lion, if it gets to stupid with her cubs....

The rhetorical Christianity is powerful...

Stay steady Baba Yaw Omowale Malik said it too: the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree. (I say from its roots)

Shem hetepu
Alutua continua
Uhuru sasa

kwame

[Baba Ahmed]

I agree with our yung Spanish Rose in Harlem, "A true revolutionary is guided by luv..." of self

all others have to earn it... to paraphrase Omowale Malik, again, if I smack a lame on one cheek and he offers the other, I'll then slap the other while put'n a foot in his behind...

but that's just me, and do not expect anyone else to do so 'cause I do... I must admit me and the Christian corruption of ancient teachings from reportedly said: love your neighbor into love every damn body is straight up unrealistic rhetoric and subterfuge; ck out folk tryna love everybody b4 loving their own sistas and bruthas FIRST.

Lawdy lawdy lawdy miss claudie u sho' sound bad to meeeeeeee...

[Baba Ahmed]

Hotep

yeah - a brutha, formerly H.Rap Brown, told me: a personal will defend what he/she has an interest in. I can diggit...

stay steady my brutha, I add our world is too burdened w/miseducated intellectual Black folk who don't seem to see what Dr. C. Woodson saw in the 1930s... yet we still don't take charge to tighten our ranks and control some means of production leading to power controllers. We'd rather remain weak as poisoned water or wata as one of my spiritual dautas say; to not purify our selves and to continue saving every body and not help we who live to determine who, what when where how and let the doubters drown in rational whys...

aside: if u have time keep tuned to Baba Speaks, starting this a.m. re THE SCIENCE OF MELANIN, by T.Owens Moore

[BabaYaw]

hotep

we in divine time again baba ahmed

right now on libradio.net the host is reading Dr. woodson rip mis education of the negro
chek it if u can

hotep
black power
free the land
baba yaw

[nattyreb]

Originally Posted by cornerkick

I understand about building up trust within our own race; that's paramount and that should happen first. But what would you say to trusting individuals of a different race? What if someone who wasn't black truly understood the state of the black race around the world and was down for the struggle? Shooting down potrential allies isn't productive. It's exactly this hostiity between different communities of color that needs to go. Black people, brown people, etc. We are all oppressed (why do so many black brothers forget this?). Maybe not in the same way or even equally, but we are all oppressed. Just think of all the power that we could all wield against the white race if we stopped squabbling and being mistrustful of each other and worked together. We would outnumber them then, wouldn't we? And there'd be a lot more of us than if that black race just worked alone. It's my understanding that the system in this country, the politicians, the collective "white man" WANT to divide us. He knows that there's strength in numbers and he'll only succeed if he keeps us mistrustful of each other.

I appreciate your POV, Corner, we gotta use any and all means necessary, and that ain't just rhetoric! I know for a fact, for example, that Mumia would be dead today if it weren't for the massive demos of *all* kinds of folks when his death warrant was signed in 1995 and the international build-up of support led by Pam Africa. I thought it was a miserable damn shame to see some of our black "revolutionary" folk standing on the sideline refusing to participate w/their noses turned up and our brotha's life on the line. The group leading the DNA testing that is getting prisoners freed from death row/life sentences are not an all-black group. There are dozens of like examples, but you and others get my drift. I specifically feel you on the issue of building coalition with non-white groups cuz we got way too many issues in common to not build the strongest response possible to our mutual life and generational-threatening realities. When subtle (and not so subtle) racism in all its forms rears its ugly head we gotta step to 'em and call 'em on it immediately, nip it in the bud, and let them know it won't be tolerated whatsoever. If it's untenable then we know that we cannot press forward with those particular folks, but of course all folks are different and it doesn't mean that we ever dismiss coalition building with one broad sweep (there's a good George Jackson quote on that I need to dig up one of these days).

This MUST not, however, preclude us from all-black organizing for our specific interests, it is crucial that we rebuild!, particularly black militant organizations who understand the importance of bringing our people back from "dry bones" as they say. Our people are the most oppressed folk on the planet and only black organizers can win their hearts and minds and spur them to action. Our situation is clearly unique in a myriad of ways and our shared experience/shared knowing/shared ancestry are the ties that will once again bind us together, it has to, it's a matter of our collective survival.

Keep on! Cornerkick.

[cornerkick]

Originally Posted by babayaw

hotep

Why is it that when Afrikans express affirmations for themselves, charges of implied "reverse racism" arise?

I didn't mean to imply any charges of "reverse racism" (which, actually, is a misnomer). Sorry if that's what people thought. But it was my understanding that some people were doing more than just expressing Afrikan affirmation (which I completely support) and saying explicitly that we should mistrust other communities of color. That's what I was arguing against.

nattyreb:
I totally agree with you on all-black organizing. I didn't mean to minimize the importance of it. I feel that there is a time and a place for both all-black organizing and coalition-building with other people of color.

[Elisa Keisha]

thank u for ur feedback. and yeah, that combination tigers birth tigers is true, I agree on that...and I appreciate u think that aboyt distrust.

I wanted to add, in case I havent made it clear b4, Im not tryna polarize things... sayin some non-blacks Can be really willin to help dont mean black ppl have to depend on them, give them all 100% trust, oraganize with them always and if u dont ur a racist... But sayin a "never ever put ur trust in any of them" is goin to the other extreme. Not sayin its racist or stupid. Just Not necessary (to my opinion)

And of course Love has to be earned... also Hate. (nah mean?)

[TheQuestioner]

Originally Posted by cornerkick

I understand about building up trust within our own race; that's paramount and that should happen first. But what would you say to trusting individuals of a different race? What if someone who wasn't black truly understood the state of the black race around the world and was down for the struggle? Shooting down potrential allies isn't productive. It's exactly this hostiity between different communities of color that needs to go..

As far as trusting individuals, that's ok. But you have to remember that when the Jews went out to have compensation for the Holocaust, they were backed up by all. But when Blacks go for compensation for slavery (european slavery), the first ones to go against them were the Jews. So remember that to give other individuals and groups our trust is ok, but to have COMPLETE trust in others is a foolish move and will end in failure.

Originally Posted by cornerkick

Black people, brown people, etc. We are all oppressed (why do so many black brothers forget this?). Maybe not in the same way or even equally, but we are all oppressed. Just think of all the power that we could all wield against the white race if we stopped squabbling and being mistrustful of each other and worked together. We would outnumber them then, wouldn't we? And there'd be a lot more of us than if that black race just worked alone..

True, but in the words of Jesus Christ, you must not say anything about the spec in your neighbor's eye until you take the log out of your own eye. We cannot unite if we still struggle with each other, and our own selves. We must start of little by little. We are the most oppressed in the world, we are even oppressed by ourselves, how then can you say we must have trust in others if we cannot even trust ourselves? We must first build ourselves before we help build them. We must build our nation, but we can still try to help them a bit.

Originally Posted by cornerkick

It's my understanding that the system in this country, the politicians, the collective "white man" WANT to divide us. He knows that there's strength in numbers and he'll only succeed if he keeps us mistrustful of each other.

In case you don't know, some races are conviced that they can only have peace with the race that is oppressing them. Also, some races are too afraid
to leave away from the oppressors, they have SELF INTEREST and so protect themselves instead of angering the white man and trying to unite all people of color.

I know that all non-white races should come together but that is the last step. We can still help each other on the side (i.e. protest, demonstrations, support). Fisrt we must help ourselves before we can help others.

After all, who would be more threatening, a person with a scrony friend that will help him fight, or a person with a muscle man ready to help him fight?

[cornerkick]

Originally Posted by TheQuestioner

how then can you say we must have trust in others if we cannot even trust ourselves? We must first build ourselves before we help build them. We must build our nation, but we can still try to help them a bit.

I agree with you on that 100%. I never said that we shouldn't be able to trust ourselves. I only mean that in isn't necessary to distrust other races in order to do so.

Originally Posted by TheQuestioner

In case you don't know, some races are conviced that they can only have peace with the race that is oppressing them. Also, some races are too afraid
to leave away from the oppressors, they have SELF INTEREST and so protect themselves instead of angering the white man and trying to unite all people of color.

I'm not denying that some people are all about self interest. But saying that entire races are all about it is going a little too far.

Originally Posted by TheQuestioner

I know that all non-white races should come together but that is the last step. We can still help each other on the side (i.e. protest, demonstrations, support). Fisrt we must help ourselves before we can help others.

Again, I agree with you. Reread the first sentence of my first post on the thread.

[Im The Truth]

Originally Posted by TheQuestioner

If ALL black people were able to unite, we WOULD become the most powerful group on earth, but we must not forget to gaurd ourselves on all sides.

It is Pan-Africanism!

Originally Posted by TheQuestioner

That is why we should unite and work together. We should not think that just because some people are minorities that we are all in the same boat and should completely trust each other, this is a lie and should be erased from our minds.

No not many people talk about non-white being racist against black before Khallid Muhammad died he did. Check him out on Donahue (a talk show).
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