Farrakhan cooning out ?

[G1deon]

Lets clarify this ...This whole argument's foundation which clearly gets distracted from time after time. Is that Elijah is a man, who is not without fault and who has faulted in life just as any man before or after him. To accept he has fault in one post and than digress in another post stating he has no fault furthers confusion.

RBG and Garvey Up!!

[Mordecai_7]

That's your OPINION...

Like the Sister said, Let's AGREE TO DISAGREE.

[Black7Sun]

Oh alright, here we go.

Originally Posted by Mordecai_7

First of all, I DON"T HAVE A CREW. (Your use if the word "crew" speaks clearly about your mentality, as well as what you are REALLY ABOUT). I have a BROTHERHOOD, even if we don't get along all the time. They are still my Brothers.

Spare me.

Originally Posted by Mordecai_7

You presented NOTHING about The Hon. Elijah Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) that was FACTUAL. You have only MALIGNED his good name like every other DISBELIEVER and HYPOCRITE that seeks to find fault in him.

You can't push my button with that Nazi B.S. The funny thing about people like you is that you are quick to use Malcolm against The Nation, but Malcolm died with the name El' Hajj El' Malik El' Shabazz and he was still a Muslim in a different "school of thought." You aren't even Muslim. But, you have alot to say about affairs you know NOTHING about other than what you picked up from the Devil's COINTELPRO propaganda. (You're just anti-Islamic. All who oppose Allah will not be successful in their intents, and you will learn this). You may as well be White, because you are "White-minded" toward other Black People, and you call yourself a Pan-African. Instead of looking for the involvement of the Devil, you want to blame your own People...

Typical Negro.

And you’re a typical cowardly-ass snake.

You see, quoted directly above is a clear illustration of someone with such a condescending yet timorous outlook that tries so hard to mask it in a persona of virtuous amicability who’ll eventually resort to using ploys of speciousness when his point of view is threaten. Like I said before, I asked you about a certain event that took place in the history of the NOI when you ran-off about Wallace D. Muhammad. Although the said event focused primarily on Wallace D. Muhammad and Jeremiah X, it also has alot to do with Elijah Muhammad as well. Your weak pathetic ass got so intimidated by that aspect; you began using your usual tactics shown in other threads. Misleading facts, presenting unsubstantiated claims and purposely distorting what the person you’re targeting said and their position in an attempt to deflect away from the fact that a lot of what you are running is pure b***s***.

First, you’re gonna run-off about me not presenting anything about Elijah Muhammad factual. Although bringing to light in this encounter between you and I the undeniable fact that the sh*t in Philly grew and ran rampant while he was the captain of the ship, it was never about Elijah Muhammad. Maybe that’s another example of your sly-of-hand game-playing or . . . you probably really are that dense. Furthermore, like I also said before, you and your crew; that’s right, I said, “your crew” (or would you prefer clique), constantly jumping up trying to always defend Elijah Muhammad’s image at the slightest adversity that involves him shows a distinct display of insecurity. Admitting to the realization of what Tanya F. Baby said that Elijah Muhammad had flaws and went to the bathroom and sat on the toilet-bowl just like everybody else is impossible for you and your crew to do and there lies one of the primary basis for corruption.

Then you frantically run on about me using Malcolm against the Nation and deceptively try to imply that I suppose to have a habitual thing against Muslims. Nowhere on this board can you or anyone else find where I stated having an automatic disdain for people of the Islamic Faith. Whether it is anyone who is Muslims, Christians, Hebrew-Israelites, Moors, Buddhists, Hindus, Black-Nationalists, Democrats or Republicans or whoever else who consistently shows being full of sh*t, I have a very low tolerance-level for b***s*** period. Something that you and your crew (yep, there it is again), through y’all conduct in recent months, constantly illustrate being when it comes to discussion around certain topics. So stop tryin’ to blow my points of view out of portion in a pusillanimous attempt to be looked upon in a light of martyrdom which is another trick y’all continuously like to play.

And so what that I’m not Muslim, I don’t have to be to speak on the right and wrong of something that comes under the cover of a certain ideology that goes beyond its self-imposed boundary onto the rest of the population. In such cases sometimes the best view is from the outside. Like that old saying goes, “it’s hard to see the whole picture when you’re inside the frame” (that’s if you’re honestly looking, I might add).

Oh yeah, another scapegoat y’all like to use. Anything and everything that puts the Nation and Elijah Muhammad in a bad light is customarily a COINTEL-PRO thing. Yet, none of you can ever come up with anything substantial beyond that convenient alibi when negative matters reflecting on the Nation and Elijah Muhammad are brought up. Seems like the same type of ghost that is used whenever the U.S. Government wants to bring something into play, “oh, the terrorists did it, it’s a terrorists thing”. What, now you’re gonna cry about how I compare y’all to the U.S. Government, YEAH, THAT’S RIGHT, THAT’S WHAT I AM DOIN’!!!

Also, that other circuitous maneuver y’all like to use by labeling anyone “White-minded” who effectively stands against your pretentiousness is tired and worn-out. As was said by me and others on this board before, no one is denying that racism under the workings of White-supremacy exist. We’re just wise enough (and strong enough, I might add) to realize that everything bad that happen isn’t the result of somebody White being behind it. Unfortunately there will be fools who’ll buy into that exhausted b***s*** of “everything YT, YT, YT” connivers like you are always trying to sell, but not everyone. Especially not Brothers and Sisters who moved beyond that idiot-trapping and is ready to really help bring forth liberation. In fact, resorting to such tactics is further demonstration of you and what you’re about. So spare me of that asinine rhetoric of trying to make me guilty for standing on truth. If I find that a particular blame is deserving to someone or something, until thoroughly proven wrong, I’ll speak on it.

Originally Posted by Mordecai_7

Malcolm's death is as it was, which is as I stated it. If you don't accept that, that is your affair.

Why don't you read the book if you REALLY WANT to see Malcolm's retraction instead of asking me to do your work for you???

First of all, WHO THE HELL ASKED YOU ANYTHING ABOUT THAT ANYWAY?!!

So much in a frantic-rage that you lost your bearings, frothin’ at the mouth starin’ wild-eyed into the monitor while typing feverishly on your keyboard. My last couple of posts got you real shook, huh? Yeah I know, the truth hurts but don’t worry, you’ll live. Still, if you wanna take jab at the supposed “Malcolm retraction” thing, you’re welcome to try . . . so long as you’re able to keep your composure.

Now, you want me to go look at some book? Wait a minute, it’s up to the person making the claim or charge to provide their evidence son (never mind the fact that you didn’t even provide the name of this supposedly all revealing phantom book).

Originally Posted by Mordecai_7

Its not like you ever KNEW Jeremiah Shabazz, so you got your info "Second Handedly", whatever it was.

Still, the fact remains that a lot of that sh*t, if not all of it, that was going on in Philly back in the day came to an almost immediate halt when Jeremiah X got demoted, am I right? BTW, did you yourself actually know him?

Originally Posted by Mordecai_7

You know, you really should change your user name to White6Sun...

The Devil's number is 6, and you've got his mindset.

That’s funny, your boys Hardworker and Bugsy stupidly asked before why I use the screen-name Black7Sun if I’m Black. Well, at least it shows you smart enough to know what my screen-name represents even though your last two sentences still illustrate the snake-move attempt of an adolescent.

Now, what do we have here.

Originally Posted by Bugsy

Peace,

C'mon guy, have you even read the writings of Malcolm? His secretary, Sara Mitchell, even wrote a book detailing certain aspects of Malcolm's life, and she said in it very plainly that Malcolm DIDN'T believe the Nation of Islam was the group attacking him. Here's a direct quote from her book:

"During his final hours, Malcolm spoke of plans for explaining to the general public how hasty and mistaken he had been in accusing Black Muslims of bombing his home. He said, "You won't find a single instance where Muslim men ever moved to attack women and children. I know their tactics and their limitations. And I'm telling you...things happening to me these past weeks go beyond the realm of the Muslims". Malcolm was convinced that a conspired maneuver was already in motion whereby, if anything happened to him, Elijah and his organization would be blamed or vice-versa. Therefore, whatever should occur in the wake of such a neat set-up, it was unlikely that other possiblities would be given due consideration. After sitting quietly for a while peering straight ahead, he finaly looked around at all the concerned faces of those attending a last-minute meeting. Shaking his head, he voiced regrets that, inadvertently, he had aided and abetted a vicious calculated scheme by accusing Elijah and other Muslims of being 'out-to-get' him. Formerly so "street-wise," he was angry with himself for falling for something he felt he should have been able to see into more clearly and more rapidly. "I'm not trying to look noble or anything...and I'm sure not out here to rival or fight with anybody...surely not against my own people!"

YOU AGAIN?!!

Hey look Bugs, don’t tell me about where some damn secretary said whatever when Malcolm, himself, not only didn’t say or even imply any such retraction but emphatically stated the Nation’s involvement in attempts on his life in the recorded speech he made in Detroit February 14, 1965 (that’s right, 45 years ago today) and in the interview he did four days later on the 18^th on WINS-radio along with another ex-NOI member, Aubrey Barnett, three days before his assassination.

So some secretary pops-up with some new revelation. BTW, Alex Haley also said the same thing your secretary said (do anyone remember how Steve Cokely pulled the covers off his b***s*** back in the early 90’s). Plus I gotta say it’s strange how Sister Betty never said that. In fact, until her last day, she always vigorously said the NOI was involved too.

Originally Posted by Bugsy

I didn't challenge you on anything, but that's beside the point. What so-called "evidence" did you present verifying that the NOI had anything to do with Malcolm's murder? You're so quick to push the blame on other BLACK people instead of seeing the situation for what it really is. You seem like you're anti-Islam, even though some of the most notable speakers in regard to Black power and reform were MUSLIMS (Malcolm Little, Cassius Clay, Dr. Khalid Abdul Muhammad, Malik Zulu Shabazz, etc.). You've conditioned yourself to be a Pan-Africanist, even though all of those men considered themselves to be "Asiatics". You sound like a hypocrite.

Awh now here you go with the same game-playing your partner above tried to play. I’m not gonna reply to this b***s*** again. Read above ‘cause the spankin’ your boy got up top applies here as well . . . and why don’t y’all come up with a new play-book while you’re at it.

Originally Posted by Bugsy

Now, like I said, "SHOW AND PROVE"! I'd like to see this "evidence" that you're talking about... And to speak negatively of Brother Hardworker just shows your immaturity. That, in itself, is counter-revolutionary, since you're promoting negativity and division among Black people, instead of positivity and unity. Instead of bashing on others, maybe you should take a long, hard look in the mirror at YOURSELF...

Peace!

You gotta be kiddin’. You’re gonna try to front as though you didn’t see the “Assassination Of Malcolm X” post I did? I know you did ‘cause you and your crew kept after me about it and as soon as I posted it there was nothing but dead-silence from all of y’all except your boy Hardworker who became so pressed for time all of a sudden. But alright, let’s see where this game leads, here you go . . .

The Assassination Of Malcolm X

Plus, I’ll provide the audio of the said Detroit speech and radio-interview showing that the claim of your secretary is pure b***s***. Even though I know there are many on this board who knows damn-well about the recorded speech and interview too but won’t say sh*t. And you wanna know something, it wouldn’t surprise me the least bit if it was revealed that you or anyone of your boys knows about it too, not in the least. Still, for the record, I don’t mind providing them . . . so later on you can pretend like you never saw those posted either.

[G1deon]

Originally Posted by G1deon

Lets clarify this ...This whole argument's foundation which clearly gets distracted from time after time. Is that Elijah is a man, who is not without fault and who has faulted in life just as any man before or after him. To accept he has fault in one post and than digress in another post stating he has no fault furthers confusion.

RBG and Garvey Up!!

Originally Posted by Mordecai_7

That's your OPINION...

Like the Sister said, Let's AGREE TO DISAGREE.

Yo.. he has a belly-button?? ..argument done!!

[G1deon]

...Just as any Malcolm X, or Marcus Garvey, Let's get it straight!! Check your egos and macho-ism at the door.

[Mordecai_7]

Originally Posted by Black7Sun

Oh alright, here we go.


Spare me.


And you’re a typical cowardly-ass snake.

You see, quoted directly above is a clear illustration of someone with such a condescending yet timorous outlook that tries so hard to mask it in a persona of virtuous amicability who’ll eventually resort to using ploys of speciousness when his point of view is threaten. Like I said before, I asked you about a certain event that took place in the history of the NOI when you ran-off about Wallace D. Muhammad. Although the said event focused primarily on Wallace D. Muhammad and Jeremiah X, it also has alot to do with Elijah Muhammad as well. Your weak pathetic ass got so intimidated by that aspect; you began using your usual tactics shown in other threads. Misleading facts, presenting unsubstantiated claims and purposely distorting what the person you’re targeting said and their position in an attempt to deflect away from the fact that a lot of what you are running is pure b***s***.

First, you’re gonna run-off about me not presenting anything about Elijah Muhammad factual. Although bringing to light in this encounter between you and I the undeniable fact that the sh*t in Philly grew and ran rampant while he was the captain of the ship, it was never about Elijah Muhammad. Maybe that’s another example of your sly-of-hand game-playing or . . . you probably really are that dense. Furthermore, like I also said before, you and your crew; that’s right, I said, “your crew” (or would you prefer clique), constantly jumping up trying to always defend Elijah Muhammad’s image at the slightest adversity that involves him shows a distinct display of insecurity. Admitting to the realization of what Tanya F. Baby said that Elijah Muhammad had flaws and went to the bathroom and sat on the toilet-bowl just like everybody else is impossible for you and your crew to do and there lies one of the primary basis for corruption.

Then you frantically run on about me using Malcolm against the Nation and deceptively try to imply that I suppose to have a habitual thing against Muslims. Nowhere on this board can you or anyone else find where I stated having an automatic disdain for people of the Islamic Faith. Whether it is anyone who is Muslims, Christians, Hebrew-Israelites, Moors, Buddhists, Hindus, Black-Nationalists, Democrats or Republicans or whoever else who consistently shows being full of sh*t, I have a very low tolerance-level for b***s*** period. Something that you and your crew (yep, there it is again), through y’all conduct in recent months, constantly illustrate being when it comes to discussion around certain topics. So stop tryin’ to blow my points of view out of portion in a pusillanimous attempt to be looked upon in a light of martyrdom which is another trick y’all continuously like to play.

And so what that I’m not Muslim, I don’t have to be to speak on the right and wrong of something that comes under the cover of a certain ideology that goes beyond its self-imposed boundary onto the rest of the population. In such cases sometimes the best view is from the outside. Like that old saying goes, “it’s hard to see the whole picture when you’re inside the frame” (that’s if you’re honestly looking, I might add).

Oh yeah, another scapegoat y’all like to use. Anything and everything that puts the Nation and Elijah Muhammad in a bad light is customarily a COINTEL-PRO thing. Yet, none of you can ever come up with anything substantial beyond that convenient alibi when negative matters reflecting on the Nation and Elijah Muhammad are brought up. Seems like the same type of ghost that is used whenever the U.S. Government wants to bring something into play, “oh, the terrorists did it, it’s a terrorists thing”. What, now you’re gonna cry about how I compare y’all to the U.S. Government, YEAH, THAT’S RIGHT, THAT’S WHAT I AM DOIN’!!!

Also, that other circuitous maneuver y’all like to use by labeling anyone “White-minded” who effectively stands against your pretentiousness is tired and worn-out. As was said by me and others on this board before, no one is denying that racism under the workings of White-supremacy exist. We’re just wise enough (and strong enough, I might add) to realize that everything bad that happen isn’t the result of somebody White being behind it. Unfortunately there will be fools who’ll buy into that exhausted b***s*** of “everything YT, YT, YT” connivers like you are always trying to sell, but not everyone. Especially not Brothers and Sisters who moved beyond that idiot-trapping and is ready to really help bring forth liberation. In fact, resorting to such tactics is further demonstration of you and what you’re about. So spare me of that asinine rhetoric of trying to make me guilty for standing on truth. If I find that a particular blame is deserving to someone or something, until thoroughly proven wrong, I’ll speak on it.


First of all, WHO THE HELL ASKED YOU ANYTHING ABOUT THAT ANYWAY?!!

So much in a frantic-rage that you lost your bearings, frothin’ at the mouth starin’ wild-eyed into the monitor while typing feverishly on your keyboard. My last couple of posts got you real shook, huh? Yeah I know, the truth hurts but don’t worry, you’ll live. Still, if you wanna take jab at the supposed “Malcolm retraction” thing, you’re welcome to try . . . so long as you’re able to keep your composure.

Now, you want me to go look at some book? Wait a minute, it’s up to the person making the claim or charge to provide their evidence son (never mind the fact that you didn’t even provide the name of this supposedly all revealing phantom book).


Still, the fact remains that a lot of that sh*t, if not all of it, that was going on in Philly back in the day came to an almost immediate halt when Jeremiah X got demoted, am I right? BTW, did you yourself actually know him?


That’s funny, your boys Hardworker and Bugsy stupidly asked before why I use the screen-name Black7Sun if I’m Black. Well, at least it shows you smart enough to know what my screen-name represents even though your last two sentences still illustrate the snake-move attempt of an adolescent.

Now, what do we have here.


YOU AGAIN?!!

Hey look Bugs, don’t tell me about where some damn secretary said whatever when Malcolm, himself, not only didn’t say or even imply any such retraction but emphatically stated the Nation’s involvement in attempts on his life in the recorded speech he made in Detroit February 14, 1965 (that’s right, 45 years ago today) and in the interview he did four days later on the 18^th on WINS-radio along with another ex-NOI member, Aubrey Barnett, three days before his assassination.

So some secretary pops-up with some new revelation. BTW, Alex Haley also said the same thing your secretary said (do anyone remember how Steve Cokely pulled the covers off his b***s*** back in the early 90’s). Plus I gotta say it’s strange how Sister Betty never said that. In fact, until her last day, she always vigorously said the NOI was involved too.


Awh now here you go with the same game-playing your partner above tried to play. I’m not gonna reply to this b***s*** again. Read above ‘cause the spankin’ your boy got up top applies here as well . . . and why don’t y’all come up with a new play-book while you’re at it.


You gotta be kiddin’. You’re gonna try to front as though you didn’t see the “Assassination Of Malcolm X” post I did? I know you did ‘cause you and your crew kept after me about it and as soon as I posted it there was nothing but dead-silence from all of y’all except your boy Hardworker who became so pressed for time all of a sudden. But alright, let’s see where this game leads, here you go . . .

The Assassination Of Malcolm X

Plus, I’ll provide the audio of the said Detroit speech and radio-interview showing that the claim of your secretary is pure b***s***. Even though I know there are many on this board who knows damn-well about the recorded speech and interview too but won’t say sh*t. And you wanna know something, it wouldn’t surprise me the least bit if it was revealed that you or anyone of your boys knows about it too, not in the least. Still, for the record, I don’t mind providing them . . . so later on you can pretend like you never saw those posted either.

You know, instead of continuing this NON-PRODUCTIVE discourse, I'm going to go with G1deon and "check my ego at the door." However Mister, Islam does not make cowards. But you wouldn't know anything about that. We'll see how BRAVE YOU ARE when the DEVIL brings the fight to you ...

Dismissed!

---------- Post added at 05:39 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:36 PM ----------

Originally Posted by G1deon

...Just as any Malcolm X, or Marcus Garvey, Let's get it straight!! Check your egos and macho-ism at the door.

O.K., you have made the PEACE again... as far as I'm concerned.

Keep the Peace.

[Black7Sun]

Originally Posted by Mordecai_7

You know, instead of continuing this NON-PRODUCTIVE discourse, I'm going to go with G1deon and "check my ego at the door." However Mister, Islam does not make cowards. But you wouldn't know anything about that. We'll see how BRAVE YOU ARE when the DEVIL brings the fight to you ...

Dismissed!

You call yourself taking the proverbial high-road? Please spare me that [which is your new] b***s***. You had no place to go because your contention throughout the whole argument was in specious-mode from the jump.

As for what makes cowards, there you go again using the Islamic Faith to hide behind (of which, BTW, is a cowardly move). My remark wasn’t about Islam, it was about you. And as far as the devil bringing the fight to me, if you’re referring to those who operate in this corporate-governmental system we live under, I’ve already confronted this devil you obviously so scared of. I went through many encounters against this beast on various levels and still going through sh*t . . . and I’m sure there’s more to come. However, when it comes to cowardice, you’ve proven my point right here, “we'll see how BRAVE YOU ARE when the DEVIL brings the fight to you”, ‘cause only a punk would make a closing statement like that.

[Mordecai_7]

You FLATTER your own ego overmuch...

As I stated before, this discourse is NON-PRODUCTIVE. My duty is only to deliver the message, it is up to you to ACCEPT IT or REJECT IT. I'm not going to argue about what the TRUTH is or isn't with you or anyone else. Especially with a Typical Negro who is decidedly anti-Islamic.

Now, if I wanted to argue there are plenty of places I could have taken this to. So, don't think you've got me stuck. Even though you're disturbed mentally about The Lost-Found Nation of Islam, TYPICAL NEGRO OR NOT, you're still my people and I don't have beef with my people. If you knew me, you'd know that. I just don't have much personal time for children or fools.

[G1deon]

Black, your TRUTH is your truth.. as his truth is his truth. As nobody can shake you from yours, do not expect to shake him from his.

You know you search for knowledge and ride with fact.. and that's all that matters.

"To Learn, Is To Change"

[Mordecai_7]

If you want to call it MY TRUTH, then fine. It's what I believe. I'm not TRYING TO RECRUIT any of you. As I told him, my duty is only to deliver the message. What he, or anyone else does with it, is on them.

And, as I said to you... "Let's agree to disagree." He should AGREE to that, regardless of what his TRUTH is.

So, how you doin, brother??? Have you read anything about the BPP lately??? By the way, I've got a question for you:

Why do people feel that Malik Zulu Shabazz is "Cooning Out ???" I don't really know anything about him other than the fact that he started the NBPP. Perhaps you can fill me in on that.

[TureBandele]

Because he supports Obama & Farrakoon and is suspected of killing Gen. Khalid. plus he shares the same building as the n.s.a

[Mordecai_7]

He is supposed to be a Muslim. If he supports Obama, that doesn't surprise me because Farrakhan supports Obama, too. The way I heard it, Bro. Khalid more or less brought his own demise upon himself. I got this info from other Muslims who are fairly knowledgeable about what goes down.

Now, on the other hand, if MZS is working for the NSA I will find out. Where is this office located??? Let me know on a PM, brother.

As far as I know, the NSA complex is out the B-W parkway @ exit 301, and there aren't any corporate office buildings out there. But I will say this, for a Muslim/Militant NBPP Leader to be that close to that Agency IS RATHER SUSPICIOUS.

Thank you for the insight, brother...

Peace.

[TureBandele]

Heres the address

1050 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington DC


what do you mean Khalid brought on his own demise ?