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      Google Rebuffs Feds on Search Requests


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      Source: Associated Press/AP Online
      by MICHAEL LIEDTKE
      01/20/2006


      SAN FRANCISCO - Google Inc. is rebuffing the Bush administration's demand for a peek at what millions of people have been looking up on the Internet's leading search engine - a request that underscores the potential for online databases to become tools for government surveillance.

      Mountain View-based Google has refused to comply with a White House subpoena first issued last summer, prompting U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales this week to ask a federal judge in San Jose for an order to hand over the requested records.

      The government wants a list all requests entered into Google's search engine during an unspecified single week - a breakdown that could conceivably span tens of millions of queries. In addition, it seeks 1 million randomly selected Web addresses from various Google databases.

      In court papers that the San Jose Mercury News reported on after seeing them Wednesday, the Bush administration depicts the information as vital in its effort to restore online child protection laws that have been struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court.

      Yahoo Inc., which runs the Internet's second-most used search engine behind Google, confirmed Thursday that it had complied with a similar government subpoena.

      Although the government says it isn't seeking any data that ties personal information to search requests, the subpoena still raises serious privacy concerns, experts said. Those worries have been magnified by recent revelations that the White House authorized eavesdropping on civilian communications after the Sept. 11 attacks without obtaining court approval.

      "Search engines now play such an important part in our daily lives that many people probably contact Google more often than they do their own mother," said Thomas Burke, a San Francisco attorney who has handled several prominent cases involving privacy issues.

      "Just as most people would be upset if the government wanted to know how much you called your mother and what you talked about, they should be upset about this, too."

      The content of search request sometimes contain information about the person making the query.

      For instance, it's not unusual for search requests to include names, medical profiles or Social Security information, said Pam Dixon, executive director for the World Privacy Forum.

      "This is exactly the kind of thing we have been worrying about with search engines for some time," Dixon said. "Google should be commended for fighting this."

      Every other search engine served similar subpoenas by the Bush administration has complied so far, according to court documents. The cooperating search engines weren't identified.

      Sunnyvale, Calif.-based Yahoo stressed that it didn't reveal any personal information. "We are rigorous defenders of our users' privacy," Yahoo spokeswoman Mary Osako said Thursday. "In our opinion, this is not a privacy issue."

      Microsoft Corp. MSN, the No. 3 search engine, declined to say whether it even received a similar subpoena. "MSN works closely with law enforcement officials worldwide to assist them when requested," the company said in a statement.

      As the Internet's dominant search engine, Google has built up a valuable storehouse of information that "makes it a very attractive target for law enforcement," said Chris Hoofnagle, senior counsel for the Electronic Privacy Information Center.

      The Department of Justice argues that Google's cooperation is essential in its effort to simulate how people navigate the Web.

      In a separate case in Pennsylvania, the Bush administration is trying to prove that Internet filters don't do an adequate job of preventing children from accessing online pornography and other objectionable destinations.

      Obtaining the subpoenaed information from Google "would assist the government in its efforts to understand the behavior of current Web users, (and) to estimate how often Web users encounter harmful-to-minors material in the course of their searches," the Justice Department wrote in a brief filed Wednesday

      Google - whose motto when it went public in 2004 was "do no evil" - contends that submitting to the subpoena would represent a betrayal to its users, even if all personal information is stripped from the search terms sought by the government.

      "Google's acceding to the request would suggest that it is willing to reveal information about those who use its services. This is not a perception that Google can accept," company attorney Ashok Ramani wrote in a letter included in the government's filing.

      Complying with the subpoena also wound threaten to expose some of Google's "crown-jewel trade secrets," Ramani wrote. Google is particularly concerned that the information could be used to deduce the size of its index and how many computers it uses to crunch the requests.

      "This information would be highly valuable to competitors or miscreants seeking to harm Google's business," Ramani wrote.

      Dixon is hoping Google's battle with the government reminds people to be careful how they interact with search engines.

      "When you are looking at that blank search box, you should remember that what you fill can come back to haunt you unless you take precautions," she said.

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      don't know why gov't jiving; they already have something called Black Lantern, reported by Kim Komando's site, that can be selective or just do what Echelon did: steal an entire Provider's stash.
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      The masses of ignorant brothers and sisters don't even know that their freedom and privacy(however much they had already) are fading fast, soon to become commodity. I really need to think of a way to get the word out on things like this.

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      Interestingly enough, the Department of Homeland Security own stock in Google, Google is building a complex on NASA grounds, so this is a front.

      I have no illusions of security and protection on or off-line. My impression is that freedom is not something that can be given or taken, only "restricted" or "obstructed."
      "Humpty Dumpty was PUSHED"

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      This is a front like the brother said.

      http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/060120-105609

      Read the article
      "I come with my heart bearing truth, and there are no lies in it..."

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      Quote Originally Posted by Guerilla Black
      This is a front like the brother said.

      http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/060120-105609

      Read the article
      STR8!!

      This is where "the rubber meets the road" btw Africans and "americans" =ytes. We KNOW the gov't isn't, wasn't and 'aint neva gonna be respecting "proper prcedures" LMBAO. My stomach!

      They're always wailing about 'rules' like they don't get what the organizing principle of gov't. is =POPULATION CONTROL. The RULES are for the POPULATION, not the gov't. Dayyum. That is the very reason why they're asses are crying uncle right now, 'cause they're so smart till they're stupid, as my granny usta say.

      My attitude is that this whole frama is about the gov't putting people on notice that they ahve been and will continue to do this. These are all provision extensinding from USA PATRIOT ACTs I & II, plus whatever else they feel like doing.

      Just like yte people are all up in arms about "illegal" Mexican immigration, when free movement of goods and PEOPLE are within the provisions of NAFTA, though the people part was kept from the general public.

      That's what yte people get. They've been so comfortable with "their" representation in gov't. and thinking their interests were secured and all was well with yte privilege that they got had. under the notion of government, THERE IS NO FREEDOM OR LIBERTY, JUST DEGREES OF PRIVILEGE AND COMFORT.

      In order that the FINAL SOLUTION to ideas of human freedom and liberty be implemented, those who have known and enjoyed more liberty and freedom than others must take a reduction theirs, and "chip in for the 'cause."

      IT WILL NOT BE GREATER, LATER as ytes once thought. HA F'n HA.
      "Humpty Dumpty was PUSHED"

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      Quote Originally Posted by CreatorsCollege
      STR8!!

      This is where "the rubber meets the road" btw Africans and "americans" =ytes. We KNOW the gov't isn't, wasn't and 'aint neva gonna be respecting "proper prcedures" LMBAO. My stomach!

      They're always wailing about 'rules' like they don't get what the organizing principle of gov't. is =POPULATION CONTROL. The RULES are for the POPULATION, not the gov't. Dayyum. That is the very reason why they're asses are crying uncle right now, 'cause they're so smart till they're stupid, as my granny usta say.

      My attitude is that this whole frama is about the gov't putting people on notice that they ahve been and will continue to do this. These are all provision extensinding from USA PATRIOT ACTs I & II, plus whatever else they feel like doing.

      Just like yte people are all up in arms about "illegal" Mexican immigration, when free movement of goods and PEOPLE are within the provisions of NAFTA, though the people part was kept from the general public.

      That's what yte people get. They've been so comfortable with "their" representation in gov't. and thinking their interests were secured and all was well with yte privilege that they got had. under the notion of government, THERE IS NO FREEDOM OR LIBERTY, JUST DEGREES OF PRIVILEGE AND COMFORT.

      In order that the FINAL SOLUTION to ideas of human freedom and liberty be implemented, those who have known and enjoyed more liberty and freedom than others must take a reduction theirs, and "chip in for the 'cause."

      IT WILL NOT BE GREATER, LATER as ytes once thought. HA F'n HA.

      true....every word

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      Quote Originally Posted by CreatorsCollege
      STR8!!
      That's what yte people get. They've been so comfortable with "their" representation in gov't. and thinking their interests were secured and all was well with yte privilege that they got had. under the notion of government, THERE IS NO FREEDOM OR LIBERTY, JUST DEGREES OF PRIVILEGE AND COMFORT.
      It is comical to hear europeans of today say, "they're tryin' to take away our freedoms and right's". this is a sad misconception of what is really real.

      and whats really real that u aint in the 1%...
      trailor trash...

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      [b]we're witnessing naked power workings. a characteristic of all empires at their pinacle. the earthly law of that goes up must come down is in effect.

      we jess have to keep on keep'n on cause what is down we must make go up!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Baba Ahmed
      [b]we're witnessing naked power workings. a characteristic of all empires at their pinacle. the earthly law of that goes up must come down is in effect.

      we jess have to keep on keep'n on cause what is down we must make go up!
      Sho' you RIGHT!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Baba Ahmed
      [b]we're witnessing naked power workings. a characteristic of all empires at their pinacle. the earthly law of that goes up must come down is in effect.
      we jess have to keep on keep'n on cause what is down we must make go up!
      Baba can u break this down 4 I? i'm lookin for the what goes up must come down theory.

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      Homeland Security owns a major portion of Goggle. Yt is just now coming to the realization that all the rights and privilages that they thought they would have for a lifetime are now being taken away from them.I don't feel sorry for them because they should have been paying attention.

      it's rather funny that the link is now dead.LOL
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      Quote Originally Posted by bigdaddiej
      Homeland Security owns a major portion of Goggle. it's rather funny that the link is now dead.LOL
      Can you find some info on this for me bro??? this is crucial...

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      I will try and ind the article but don't you think it to be rather odd that google is building an instillation on NASA grounds in the same area that the Dept of Homelad Security has it's building.
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      naw im not surprised, the only phenomenon that would surprise me in this life time is Afrikan unity or a "real" Afrikan State with an official Afrikan language & God.

      uhuru

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