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| View Poll Results: Black Nationalists, Afrocentrist, Pan-Afrikan: Whats our peoples image of us? | |||
| excellent: Marcus Garvey's UNIA, the BPP; our people know we have their best interest at heart | | 3 | 20.00% |
| horrible: most of our people think we are fools, dont trust us | | 4 | 26.67% |
| okay but: we need to do some serious PR to counter some of our poor righteous teachers | | 7 | 46.67% |
| no comment: this requires too much self-reflection, too controversial, I can't take this | | 1 | 6.67% |
| other | | 0 | 0% |
| Voters: 15. You may not vote on this poll | |||
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Greetings Warrior Kimani, give thanks for your interesting thread. i too have wanted to write about this trend esp in film: Black Nationalists and/or pro-Black individuals are often shaped as idiotic, misinformed, contradictory, violent without purpose, paranoid, and just plain foolish and crazy. i was soooo heated at Lee's representation of "mau mau" crew in Bamboolzed. considering how few of us really know about the real MauMau movement of Kenya this was extremely irresponsible of Lee. there seems to be an accepted notion that to be pro-Afrikan and to articulate the reality of white supremacy, wear Afrikan clothes, change your name to regard your Afrikan heritage, is to be caught in a time warp of the sixties or just plain stupid or worse "un-cool". there is definately a Black Nationalist caricature going around. and sadly even though its a joke, our people tend to believe or internalize the stereotype. even in the conscious community, the seriously conscious and dedicated often get sighed at or considered passe. more examples for your essay: there is a really absurd and poorly done movie in which the Black nationalist male is submissive to his white woman wife. also Samuel L Jackson stars in a recent film about the TRC in South which whiffs of this. first Jackson's character( an African-American journalist covering the TRC seesions) is called Malcolm X by an African because he is clear that the whites in SA have wrecked havoc on the country, later his politics "mellow out", and all too soon he gets multicultural and he succumbs to the "beauty/sensitivity" of the white woman. i had to turn it off. in Crash, the Ludicris character, carjacker Black Nationalist??? can this help our movement be taken seriously, i don't think so. God forbid, that there should be a contempory representation of a Black Nationalist/proAfrikan who is informed, articulate, has a global perspective, is a sista, a lover of Black people, "fashionable," reasonably angry, an activist, consistent with life and works, sucessful etc. cause even in most Black films/shows we don't see this. but these people do exist, we are them, so why is "conspiracy brother" speaking for us all??? i think the impact of this is most harmful on our youth. i have seen Black students roll their eyes at a mention of Garvey and his so-called Back to Africa movement, while they've never read a word about the global UNIA movement. many consider proAfrikanisms old fashioned and boring. they think repatriation is impossible or pointless. or perhaps worse many youth get proAfrikanism jumbled up with hypermasculnity, hatefulness, an anti-education stance, a license to smoke their life away, mass consumption of Black-looking trickets that hold little symbolic value or the subtracting of Afrikanisms into cliched sound bites and unthoughtful rhetorics while folks remain loyal an American/white defined lifestyle. Cabral, Toure, Ani, and many of our Elders have articulated the importance of culture as means to change minds. so for me, i think little of the leaders who have mirrored these stereotypes. we've been blessed with so many real revolutionaries. its our job to document our outstanding leaders, esp those beyond the sixities, as well be contemporary models. we've got much work to do in all venues.
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Alot of them roll their eyes at the likes of Garvey and Malcolm X because its allways the same old quotes and situations being recited to them in the same way. Its intentionally done by European societies.
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This is a perfect example of propaganda by the media. All Black Nationalist/Pan-Afrikanist are displayed in the media as stupid, idoits, bafoos, uncool, soft, mean, over-manly, sexist, hateful, criminial, etc, and all other negative attributes. All forms of media exploit, lie, and display this image. With this image out there it sets the environment for dumb ass statements like "playing the race card", "oh you on the black sh*t", or "we gotta stop blaming the white man" (I hear this dumb ass sh*t even when I don't even use the word white let alone say white man). Because of the media (not only TV) many of Our People believe these statements to have validity. But thanks to outlets like this site and all other Afrikan media We are able to combat their (white supremacist) media. Though I just saw a post on this forum that blow me away, the basis of that post was false information from their media. We (all Afrikans who have the factual information) are here for to spread the truth and combat lies. Uhuru Sasa! Odabo
__________________ "If the enemy is not doing anything against you, you are not doing anything" -Ahmed Sékou Touré "speak truth, do justice, be kind and do not do evil." -Baba Orunmila "Cowardice asks the question: is it safe? Expediency asks the question: is it political? Vanity asks the question: is it popular? But conscience asks the question: is it right? And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor political, nor popular - but one must take it simply because it is right." --Dr. Martin L. King |
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i knew my peeps would come through...thanks for the comments, examples, all very encouraging and on point; its my take that we cant expect much from "The Media" in regards to correcting these images, prolly just more of the same; i guess i am more concerned with how these negative images have gained so much momentum with our own people; although these images are partly created by the media i argue that they are also drawing on many of our people deeply-held views about us/ourselves; AND, that they have some basis in reality, although quite overexaggerated at times; Spike's protrayal of Huey P fits with these imagines somewhat too; Huey's life, persona was quite complicated, and its takes a somewhat sophisticated mind to really grasp the depth of Huey's intelligence and points; i think he captured this complexity well in that film; also, i listened to this group i saw speaking on the street once; they were dressed in Afrikan attire; had a number of pictures of Kemet posted in front of them; mic, speaker; and they were proclaiming 1) that slavery and the impoverishment of "blacks" was punishment from God; 2) that Afrika is not the motherland, Jerusalem is; 3) that Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Shakespere, Robin Hood, Beethoven, Nostradamus, Hannibal, Spartacus have alll been "white-washed"; i assumed they meant that these people were black; you could feel the disdain on the Black peoples faces that were watching them; they even started an argument with one young brother about him going to hell for some reason or another; they also accused him of attempting to steal their ideas; Now, these people are on the streets every week, very assertively conveying an image of us that fits quite nicely with the caricatures in the film i mentioned above; their image is our image, is what i argue; yes, no? do we have any obligation to do anything about these real-life caricatures of ourselves? any other "real-life" examples?
__________________ "The problem with modern conceptualizations is it leaves no room for other sources of knowledge...The Kemetic concept approaches the process of knowing from a more 'common sense' approach. Ultimately knowing is the result of a divine, universal, and intergenerational conversation among God the creator, the cosmos, nature and the creatures of the earth, especially human beings...the process of human creativity is an imitation or rather repitition of divine creativity."--Jacob Carruthers |
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My, My, the creator works in mysterious ways does S/HE not? As I sit here reading this thread, my wife is informing me of an exact situation taking place at Kent State University with my son and another brother who seems as confused as the characters in these plays (movies?) He espouses concepts that are without merit and plays on the emotions of the people without clear definition of agenda, needless to say my son is quite embarassed.
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Black Love, Kimani This is a big Thread. I commend you on this one. This is a point that have realized some time now.. You R definetly on point with this. |
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Peace to all. It's a real shame how they portray us like that in the media. It seems like in the media, the words we say are often ignored or made fun of by others not in a sense "conscious" when it really should be taken in the opposite way. I'm glad I was able to find this forum so I could share a lot of views with more than just a few people and in turn continue to share news & views with people that are close to me & act on the phrase "each one, teach one". Peace.
__________________ ![]() "If you don't understand White Supremacy (Racism), what it is, and how it works, everything else that you understand will only confuse you" -Neely Fuller, Jr. "The apparent triumph of the civil rights movement [...] has led us to this age when millions of young Blacks not only donât know their rich history of rebellion and resistance; they donât wanna know." -Mumia Abu-Jamal |
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the most difficult part of the essay for me has been trying to wrap it up; when i first started writing it i was a little concerned about how my ultimate conclusion would be received (there is quite more than is posted here); Quote:
__________________ "The problem with modern conceptualizations is it leaves no room for other sources of knowledge...The Kemetic concept approaches the process of knowing from a more 'common sense' approach. Ultimately knowing is the result of a divine, universal, and intergenerational conversation among God the creator, the cosmos, nature and the creatures of the earth, especially human beings...the process of human creativity is an imitation or rather repitition of divine creativity."--Jacob Carruthers |
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Good line of questioning & thought! It is of vital importance that you said, "we have to take responsibility for some of the blame for not being clear, articulate enough, to allow our people to make reasonable decisions as to the validity of the claims we make". This is vitally important. I was always taught that if Our People don't get the message of African Liberation it is not the Peoples fault it is yours. It is the job/duty/responsibility to make the message as clear as possible. Not only as clear as possible but as comfortable as possible without swaying from the truth, and to take time and have patience with Our People so that they may understand, absorb, and ACCEPT (important!) the message. There is a big difference between hating yts, knowing Our history, and fighting for Afrikan Liberation. To the next point, you said, "what are we to do with our bruthas and sistahs who refuse to do this, to clarify their ideas, to be self-critical; they are usually the ones who seek and gain the spotlight; it is a strong dynamic among us; possibly as dangerous as the sell-outs and Halfricans that we condemn so often." This is important because these people are extremely dangerous. Not only are they confused Africans, but they work (knowing or unknowing) in the interest of white supremacy. The media that we are talking about above are made in resemblance of these people. These people because of there exaggeratory nature, incorrect facts, and seemingly passion destroys the minds of Our People by confusing Our People, exploiting Our People, and overall alienating Our People from Afrikan Liberation as a whole. As the movements of the 60s and 70s further exposed the fact of racism in ameriKKKa, these europeans had to progress to the next stage (and very deadly) of oppression which is neo-colonialism. For simplicity this basically means the enemy of Our People will not only be the form of a european or sell-out, but will be the blackest of black, the most revolutionary of revolutionaries. Quote:
__________________ "If the enemy is not doing anything against you, you are not doing anything" -Ahmed Sékou Touré "speak truth, do justice, be kind and do not do evil." -Baba Orunmila "Cowardice asks the question: is it safe? Expediency asks the question: is it political? Vanity asks the question: is it popular? But conscience asks the question: is it right? And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor political, nor popular - but one must take it simply because it is right." --Dr. Martin L. King |
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Has anybody seen the movie"Carlitos Way2:Rise to Power" Theres a Character named "Reggie" he's a militant black panther spoof/mockery.He's a violent,stupid,alchololic,big mouthed,white girl loving,disprespectful,lazy punk and a coward. |
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this is such an excellent thread that it needs to stand out! i give it a 5 star!
__________________ "in the church...the negro has had sufficient freedom to develope this institution in his own way; but he has failed to do so. his religion is merely a loan from the whites...in chameleon-like fashion the negro has taken up almost everything religious which has come along instead of thinking for himself." -- "the mis-education of the negro", carter g. woodson. |
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