It's Africancentricity,not "Afrocentricity"

[BlackQueen]

I'm reading the book,Who Betrayed the African World Revolution by Dr. John Henrik Clarke. In chapter 5,he discusses his resentment of the word "Afrocentricity",because the word "fro" is not in Africa. Even though he has no problem with Molefi Kete Asante,Dr. Clarke preferred to use the term "Africancentricity." Do you believe that Dr. Clarke has made a valid point in the way we address our history?

[Majadi]

I used to have a lecture from Dr. Clarke in which he said the same thing, this book is one of my favorite in my library as well. I think like the Rasta, redefining words and the power behind them is what Dr. Clarke is referencing. Using the concept of So Dayi (The Clear Word) and MAAT which speaks of truth and balance, this would be appropriate. We must define terms on our own...uhhh...terms! We may even have to have Afrikan words to define these concepts! We would have to have a class or set of classes to teach this new terminology!

[Fenix]

Hmm. I think Dr. Clarke makes a valid point but I always understood the prefix "Afro" to imply that something is Afrikan in origin. So it made sense to me to use the term Afrocentric.

Sounds like an interesting read, I'll have to pick that book up sometime.

[Langalibalele]

Originally Posted by BlackQueen

I'm reading the book,Who Betrayed the African World Revolution by Dr. John Henrik Clarke. In chapter 5,he discusses his resentment of the word "Afrocentricity",because the word "fro" is not in Africa. Even though he has no problem with Molefi Kete Asante,Dr. Clarke preferred to use the term "Africancentricity." Do you believe that Dr. Clarke has made a valid point in the way we address our history?

I've been reading that book. I have it on the nightstand by my bed. I think that Dr Clarke is one of the most advanced thinkers in the study of African life and culture. He understands a great deal and his analysis is very astute. He also knows how to be diplomatic towards fellow academicians.

When Molefi Asante came out with Afrocentricity, it was viewed by many as an updated amplification of Maulana Karenga's black culturalism and a step away from Kwame Nkrumah's Pan Africanism. I call Karenga's viewpoint "culturalism" because it diluted all the essential questions. While Karenga actually addressed and discussed the critical issues affecting our community, he posed no solutions except for a deepened cultural life. That was seen by the Panthers and others as unworkable. Molefi was on the same page as Karenga, liquidating the politicized liberation struggle for cultural solutions.

Now what does this say about Dr Clarke? He has always been a Pan Africanist. That is why he devoted an entire volume to the question, "Who Betrayed the African Revolution?" I mean, he could have said who betrayed black people, or who sold out? But he made it clear he is discussing REVOLUTION. And in the current context, black revolution means overthrowing the racist class system of Imperialism.

It would be presumptive of me to say what Dr Clarke may think of Afrocentricity, however, we must respect his views. At least I feel that way.
We need to build a revolutionary black palenque, a Kilombo republic.

[Majadi]

Originally Posted by Langalibalele

I've been reading that book. I have it on the nightstand by my bed. I think that Dr Clarke is one of the most advanced thinkers in the study of African life and culture. He understands a great deal and his analysis is very astute. He also knows how to be diplomatic towards fellow academicians.

When Molefi Asante came out with Afrocentricity, it was viewed by many as an updated amplification of Maulana Karenga's black culturalism and a step away from Kwame Nkrumah's Pan Africanism. I call Karenga's viewpoint "culturalism" because it diluted all the essential questions. While Karenga actually addressed and discussed the critical issues affecting our community, he posed no solutions except for a deepened cultural life. That was seen by the Panthers and others as unworkable. Molefi was on the same page as Karenga, liquidating the politicized liberation struggle for cultural solutions.

Now what does this say about Dr Clarke? He has always been a Pan Africanist. That is why he devoted an entire volume to the question, "Who Betrayed the African Revolution?" I mean, he could have said who betrayed black people, or who sold out? But he made it clear he is discussing REVOLUTION. And in the current context, black revolution means overthrowing the racist class system of Imperialism.

It would be presumptive of me to say what Dr Clarke may think of Afrocentricity, however, we must respect his views. At least I feel that way.
We need to build a revolutionary black palenque, a Kilombo republic.

Dr.Clarke has indeed advanced our work in Pan-Afrikan thought and theory. We must now apply it to actual physics, the idea of a black palenque, kilombo is an interesting framework for this, please go further with this beloved!

[MsLioness]

Originally Posted by Fenix

Hmm. I think Dr. Clarke makes a valid point but I always understood the prefix "Afro" to imply that something is Afrikan in origin. So it made sense to me to use the term Afrocentric.

Sounds like an interesting read, I'll have to pick that book up sometime.

Ironic thing with me sis, the end and time that I came in on all of this revolutionary information...Afrocentricity/Afrocentric had a negative connotation, to me.

Basically, a person who lacks a Revolutionary ideology or the understanding of the "necessity for permanent mass Revolutionary Pan-African POLITICAL education, organization, and action" by will. Normally, you walk right up to these People with healthy/consecrated meat, but they insist on starving...subtly reactionary.

Afrocentric (af-roh-sen-trik)
-adjective
antonymous to Eurocentric

both bring extremes, both being reactionary, and both being concepts of idealism (to which we don't uphold).

in a sentence:
We become so Afrocentric that we do not understand that Africa had classes before colonialism/the white man invasion.

[Karasi's play-play dictionary]

That is just me, though. Great writers and leaders use the term freely and properly.

[Langalibalele]

Originally Posted by Majadi

Dr.Clarke has indeed advanced our work in Pan-Afrikan thought and theory. We must now apply it to actual physics, the idea of a black palenque, kilombo is an interesting framework for this, please go further with this beloved!

A palenque. Hmm. Yes, what the Uhuru Movement calls a "fighting black soviet". I prefer the traditional names from our own historical struggle against capitalism: Palenque, Quilombo ("Kilombo"), Maroons. Yes, I aspire to build a Maroon Society. A society of maroons comprised of committees and communities of resistance. Call those committees/communities by the names Palenque, Kilombo, Accompong. The principle is still the same as what Uhuru says. It's just what we call it that differs.

What is a fighting black soviet? Soviets were committees of resistance formed under the Bolshevik Party leadership during the Russian Revolution of 1917. They succeeded in overthrowing first the tzarist government and then the bourgeois one which took the tzar's place. In our instance, we need to elevate the anti-imperialist class struggle to downthrow first neo-colonialism and then Imperialism. This is based upon Kwame Nkrumah's analysis of neo-colonialism (the final stage of Imperialism).

I have not embellished or contributed anything new to Nkrumah's analysis. However, I have sharpened it thru the definition of "racism as the concentrated class struggle" and "Neo-colonialism as the dilution of the racist class struggle". I believe these are our most accurate descriptions of racism and neo-colonialism, and shows us the way forward in building Solidarity (introducing other nationalities to our struggle) and battling neo-colonialism, which has given our movement fits since the Sixties.

In elevating the class struggle, we must break away from capitalism. This also requires the reduction of capital. Capital is the concentration of resources. By distributing capital resources, we dilute capital, which democratizes economics and spreads wealth thru society rather than concentrating it. This means eliminating capital.

To achieve all this simultaneously, we must first build committees of resistance and then communities of resistance. We can call them "fighting black soviets" or Palenques or Kilombos or Accompongs or Maroon Societies or Garifunas or Little Haitis. It's all good if we make it happen.

[MsLioness]

Originally Posted by Langalibalele

A palenque. Hmm. Yes, what the Uhuru Movement calls a "fighting black soviet". I prefer the traditional names from our own historical struggle against capitalism: Palenque, Quilombo ("Kilombo"), Maroons. Yes, I aspire to build a Maroon Society. A society of maroons comprised of committees and communities of resistance. Call those committees/communities by the names Palenque, Kilombo, Accompong. The principle is still the same as what Uhuru says. It's just what we call it that differs.

What is a fighting black soviet? Soviets were committees of resistance formed under the Bolshevik Party leadership during the Russian Revolution of 1917. They succeeded in overthrowing first the tzarist government and then the bourgeois one which took the tzar's place. In our instance, we need to elevate the anti-imperialist class struggle to downthrow first neo-colonialism and then Imperialism. This is based upon Kwame Nkrumah's analysis of neo-colonialism (the final stage of Imperialism).

I have not embellished or contributed anything new to Nkrumah's analysis. However, I have sharpened it thru the definition of "racism as the concentrated class struggle" and "Neo-colonialism as the dilution of the racist class struggle". I believe these are our most accurate descriptions of racism and neo-colonialism, and shows us the way forward in building Solidarity (introducing other nationalities to our struggle) and battling neo-colonialism, which has given our movement fits since the Sixties.

In elevating the class struggle, we must break away from capitalism. This also requires the reduction of capital. Capital is the concentration of resources. By distributing capital resources, we dilute capital, which democratizes economics and spreads wealth thru society rather than concentrating it. This means eliminating capital.

To achieve all this simultaneously, we must first build committees of resistance and then communities of resistance. We can call them "fighting black soviets" or Palenques or Kilombos or Accompongs or Maroon Societies or Garifunas or Little Haitis. It's all good if we make it happen.

Is it safe to really say that racism is a concentrated class struggle when in Africa we had classes(which means class struggle) BEFORE colonialism? Therefor killing the thought of neo-colonialism as a diluted version of racist class struggle. It almost sounds as if you are saying that before racism there was no class in Africa...which would make Africa the only one that never had classes until whitey invaded...never had class struggle...never developed at anytime. Thats not true. Absolutely not true.

Racist class-struggle? What is that?

What is the solution to racism? Is there such a cure to an idea?

We know that racism was something created AFTER the slave trade began to
JUSTIFY the wrong and inhumane element of exhausting human labor.

The more I study, the less I even read the word "racism."

What is the opposite of racism?

[Majadi]

You all are some brilliant Afrikans all these years of rebellion I had not thought of that, the opposite of Racism. Certainly it is not, Non-Racism that is simply the absence of it. Certainly there were "classes" in Afrika, I think the difference may be in how they were worked out. Based on Diop's concepts of the Two-Cradle Theory, particularly referencing pg.112-113 of Civilization or Barbarism, I doubt they worked they same. It would seem classes for us would allow for the free flow of individuals and families from one class to another. The Machiavellian, Aryan run globalist shitstem does not allow for this, it is a "Dog-Eat-Dog" framework. This produces selfish, arrogant behavior patterns which in turn further influences that culture leading to a normalization of that mindframe!

Now in this discourse I have not found "A" working definition of Pan-Africanism but rather a definition that works, it seems a conglomerate of two or three seemingly opposing concepts but I guess I can see them connected, I will post my vantage point, once I have codified it for myself. Thank you all in your display of Afrikan genius!




























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[Im The Truth]

Originally Posted by Langalibalele

I have not embellished or contributed anything new to Nkrumah's analysis. However, I have sharpened it thru the definition of "racism as the concentrated class struggle" and "Neo-colonialism as the dilution of the racist class struggle". I believe these are our most accurate descriptions of racism and neo-colonialism, and shows us the way forward in building Solidarity (introducing other nationalities to our struggle) and battling neo-colonialism, which has given our movement fits since the Sixties

Your analysis is very similar to Nkrumah's:

"Racial discrimination is the product of an environment, an environment of a divided class society, and its solutions is to change that environment. This presupposes the fact that it is only under socialism in the United States of America that the African-American can really be free in the land of his birth."

--Osagyefo Kwame Nkrumah, Revolutionary Path, pg. 42

[MsLioness]

Originally Posted by Majadi

Now in this discourse I have not found "A" working definition of Pan-Africanism.

When you say that, its like you are trying to find a working definition to "Taco Bell". It doesn't make sense. You can ask what Taco Bell is, and universally, a Taco Bell is a Taco Bell...but you can't ask what does a Taco Bell mean.

Pan-Africanism is an objective.

We have to stop saying, "Pan-Africanism means...." and start saying, "Pan-Afriacnism IS...."

The unification and liberation of Africa under scientific socialism. Our objective is a unified and liberated Africa under scientific socialism. The -ism is what confuses everyone, coupled with the lack of a Revolutionary ideology. The -ism just means that this is a system.

Socialism is a TRUTH.

However you choose to go about reaching this objective, thats your ideology. Thats the thing you have to say, "for us to achieve Pan-Africanism, we must do this." You have to find a working ideology, a revolutionary ideology. Pan-Africanism is an objective.

[Majadi]

Originally Posted by MsLioness

When you say that, its like you are trying to find a working definition to "Taco Bell". It doesn't make sense. You can ask what Taco Bell is, and universally, a Taco Bell is a Taco Bell...but you can't ask what does a Taco Bell mean.

Pan-Africanism is an objective.

We have to stop saying, "Pan-Africanism means...." and start saying, "Pan-Afriacnism IS...."

The unification and liberation of Africa under scientific socialism. Our objective is a unified and liberated Africa under scientific socialism. The -ism is what confuses everyone, coupled with the lack of a Revolutionary ideology. The -ism just means that this is a system.

Socialism is a TRUTH.

However you choose to go about reaching this objective, thats your ideology. Thats the thing you have to say, "for us to achieve Pan-Africanism, we must do this." You have to find a working ideology, a revolutionary ideology. Pan-Africanism is an objective.

My God/dess I love your fire! If you think I am about to debate you, you are joking, I am not daft enough to jump into a volcano (smile), I have seen what you do to people (LMAO)!

Seriously sister, I get you the objective (thing to reach) is Pan-Africanism, I am in agreement. You are saying I am gathering the methodology of reaching that objective (Pan-Africanism) is Scientific Socialism? Correct me if I am wrong, and how do we make that ideology practical for the masses? I mean specifics?

[Im The Truth]

"anyone who is not consciously practicing an ideology that is in the collective interest of his/her people must be practicing the ideology of White Supremacy." - from Theory and Practice: Implementing Revolution As A Scientific Process

Pan-Africanism is a unified Africa under Scientific Socialism. Scientific Socialism is a economic system. So the objective of Pan-Africanism is to unite Africa under Scientific Socialism. There are many potential ideologies to do this. Nkrumah-Toureism is one of them - the ideology the AAPRP follows.

"But whatever the difference between the vehicles used, what is required of men is that the vehicle they are using should move in the same direction, towards the same objective: the sun of justice, dignity, unity and fraternity in peace." - Ahmed Sekou Toure

There are many potential methodologies to achieve Pan-Africanism. One of the #1 ways is to be organized. Malcolm X gave a wonderful example of why organization is required, "If I take my hand and hit you, you'll barely feel it, it might only sting you a little because my fingers are separated. But all I have to do is bring them all together, to put you back in your place." We are so rebellious we refuse and/or make up excuses to not join or create organizations so we are separated individuals which makes us pretty much useless in the freedom fight except as bystanders who react to all stimuli the oppressor give us.

[MsLioness]

Originally Posted by Majadi

My God/dess I love your fire! If you think I am about to debate you, you are joking, I am not daft enough to jump into a volcano (smile), I have seen what you do to people (LMAO)!

Seriously sister, I get you the objective (thing to reach) is Pan-Africanism, I am in agreement. You are saying I am gathering the methodology of reaching that objective (Pan-Africanism) is Scientific Socialism? Correct me if I am wrong, and how do we make that ideology practical for the masses? I mean specifics?

I am not in for debate...lol. I just want to reason, thats all. I want Africa to be free.

Scientific socialism is not the methodology for achieving Pan-Africanism.

Scientific socialism is Socialism, having to do with the distribution of wealth and land and stuff. It is not a method for achieving Pan-Africanism.

Scientific socialism is a true, developing, and democratic system that we understand will be the governing body of Africa. It is like the government of our unified and liberated Africa.
Africa is not foreign to the world. We understand that after capitalism comes socialism, inevitably.

Socialism is not an ideology. Socialism is a system. Dialectical materialism is an ideology. Socialism is material. It is not a belief. You can have a belief IN the principals of socialism, but you cannot believe socialism.... thats like saying you believe a cup of water. Do you believe capitalism? Makes no sense.

Organizing is key in tearing down an unjust system, while at the same time, creating a milieu for a new, just, system. We have to join organizations who fight for "the inevitable destruction of capitalism, imperialism, settler colonialism, neo-colonialism, racism, and zionism."

"Every revolutionary party has a revolutionary ideology..." Ideology is like 89% of the revolution, while the other 11% is the material or product.
People can use guns to take over the government, but the ideology is what secures the People. If they do not want intruders, they will not have intruders.

The enemy confused our ideas of who we are, where we came from, what humanity is, and other things. That is primarily our issue today. Nobody is holding us at gunpoint. We need to get our thoughts organized, so we can get organized.

We suffer from ideological confusion, today. I think once we get a revolutionary ideology, we will be more likely to organize better.

Forgive me if I am wrong...Truth, Jacuma, Rebel...somebody, anybody. If I am wrong, let me know. Don't let me go full-throttle in error, because that means other People will go into error.

[BlackQueen]

We all want Africa to be free.That is a element of Pan-Africanism. We are all Patriots of the Motherland. Just like Amerikkka has their "patriotism" We have ours. The only difference is that Africa is the birthplace of civilization. Captialism and colonialism are the destroyers of Africa. We must fight hard to defeat these two great evils that plague her.

Originally Posted by MsLioness

I am not in for debate...lol. I just want to reason, thats all. I want Africa to be free.

Scientific socialism is not the methodology for achieving Pan-Africanism.

Scientific socialism is Socialism, having to do with the distribution of wealth and land and stuff. It is not a method for achieving Pan-Africanism.

Scientific socialism is a true, developing, and democratic system that we understand will be the governing body of Africa. It is like the government of our unified and liberated Africa.
Africa is not foreign to the world. We understand that after capitalism comes socialism, inevitably.

Socialism is not an ideology. Socialism is a system. Dialectical materialism is an ideology. Socialism is material. It is not a belief. You can have a belief IN socialism, but you cannot believe socialism.... thats like saying you believe a cup of water. Do you believe capitalism? Makes no sense.

Organizing is key in tearing down an unjust system, while at the same time, creating a milieu for a new, just, system. We have to join organizations who fight for "the inevitable destruction of capitalism, imperialism, settler colonialism, neo-colonialism, racism, and zionism."

"Every revolutionary party has a revolutionary ideology..." Ideology is like 89% of the revolution, while the other 11% is the material or product.
People can use guns to take over the government, but the ideology is what secures the People. If they do not want intruders, they will not have intruders.

The enemy confused our ideas of who we are, where we came from, what humanity is, and other things. That is primarily our issue today. Nobody is holding us at gunpoint. We need to get our thoughts organized, so we can get organized.

We suffer from ideological confusion, today. I think once we get a revolutionary ideology, we will be more likely to organize better.

Forgive me if I am wrong...Truth, Jacuma, Rebel...somebody, anybody. If I am wrong, let me know. Don't let me go full-throttle in error, because that means other People will go into error.