Two organizers on class struggle

[Langalibalele]

THE UNCOMPROMISING CLASS STRUGGLE

by M. Sifika wa Nkomo


This is the 21st century that needs an UNCOMPROMISING CLASS analysis in our communities, organizations and leadership interests be it in electoral politics and non-electoral radical organizational alliances.

Electoral politics especially in the United States and South Africa must be used to politically educate African and non-African peoples primary (strategic) and secondary (tactical) political differences of the overall long-term IDEOLOGY of IMPERIALISM (national security) and short term BREAD & BUTTER politics around community welfare, job security, quality education and health care etc.

For example since the political assassinations of JFK, Malcolm, MLK, JFK etc, the last 45 years has a programmatic and conscious ideological efforts and political rhetoric to BREAK THE LIBERAL “SOCIAL CONTRACT” role of the STATE so that it must serve those who OWN and BENEFIT PRIVATE PROPERTY and LBJ, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II have made that a SUCCESS IT IS TODAY!

Kwame Ture, H. Rap Brown, Huey P. Newton, Walter Rodney, Thomas Sankara etc and many others alive today knew just like George Soros, Warren Buffet, Rupert Murdoch, Henry Paulson new as early as 1972 what Imperialism and its domestic and foreign agendas was and is still about!

Those who followed Mayor Stokes, Justice Thurgood Marshall into the Supreme Court and Benjamin Hooks in Federal Government professional jobs are no different to those in top judicial, government and legislative in South Africa, Haiti, Zimbabwe, Kenya, Nigeria etc.

We live in more than 192 global bantustan controlled by the World Economic Forum created and based in Basle since 1973! This was a year or so after the US broke from the GLOD STANDARD, preparing for "GLOBAL FINANCIAL SPECUALATIONS" and "DERIVATIVES".

In the same 1970's the IMF/World Bank introduced "Economic Structural Adjustment Programs" to undermine the "SOCIAL CONTRACT" in post colonial Africa and promote a culture of KLEPTOMANIA in all African countries so that they can sabotage themselves like Zimbabwe has done since 1983.

The ZANU-PF should never have accepted CONDITIONALITIES of loans from IMF and World Bank because they knew how DISHONEST and DECEPTIVE the United States and

the United Kingdom ruling classes have been and are still to Africans-at home and abroad and even to so called" white hardworking class" as we see today!

I remember the ZANU-PF and Robert Mugabe in 1983 being falsely and ingeniously praised by the western and South African corporate media that " ..Mugabe has learnt from his 'comrade' and fellow President of Mozambique (Samora Machel) about the failures of Marxist-Leninism" and he is taking a pro-western development path".

As a political strategy to preserve national stability in Zimbabwe there was nothing wrong with selectively work with western imperialism because they had destabilized and destroyed Angola and Mozambique political economy's infrastructure!

But the problem was, unlike in Cuba, the Zimbabwe nationalist subjected the PEOPLES WILL, ZANU-PF, to class interests the GOVERNMENT run by comprador bourgeoisie!

Instead of ZANU-PF calling the shots as a PARTY to make the government accountable to it, ZANU-PF government started acting like a British Labor Party government answerable to global corporate interests who are LIARS!

This is not a personal attack on Robert Mugabe's illustrious individual history of personal and family sacrifice but SUBJECT CLASS INTERESTS OF THE PARTY LEADERSHIP, in the same manner the legacy of Malcolm X and MLK Jr are beign used by corporate charlatans to enrich themselves, cronies and families and similar situation prevails in South Africa.

We need to look at the Cuba as the best example where the PEOPLE ARE GOVERNING though a PARTY that makes GOVERNMENT accountable!

In South Africa the difference is that the Jacob Zuma-faction has used the same principle but for REACTIONARY NEO-COLONIAL & COMPRADOR bourgeois interests as they is NO CHANGE IN GOVERNMENT POLICIES, what THABO MBEKI was doing JACOB ZUMA WILL DO!

When we are involved in ELECTORAL POLITICS, that is transactive BREAD & BUTTER politics, but GRASRROOTS RADICAL ORGANIZING SHOULD BE LED BY IDEOLOGICAL TRANSFORMATION POLITICS TO BREAK THE POWER OF THE CLASS-based STATE.

In the USA or any other country including the United Kingdom, Zimbabwe and South Africa, for example changes has always been bottom up!

What IDEOLOGICAL role are we playing in terms CLASS politics beyond Mugabe, Mbeki and Obama electors politics as Pan-Africanist, because religion and race politics have been exhausted and ONLY BENEFIT reactionaries and liberal reformist into office!

The primary question of the 21st century is CLASS-be it Zimbabwe, United States, South Africa, Haiti, Ghana, Jamaica etc.


Mongezi Sefika wa Nkomo
eMzantsi-Afrika-Borwa Connections
2621 Centre Avenue, Suite 216
Pittsburgh,PA 15219
1-412-880-9769

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NEO-COLONIALISTS DILUTE THE RACIST CLASS STRUGGLE

by I. Langalibalele


Black theologians, reactionary "Garveyites" and opportunist Pan Africanists are all uniting to assault the revolutionary theory of Pan Africanism (aka African Internationalism) which calls for a unified African state under scientific socialism. For this reason I have begun scouring the blogosphere not only for accurate analyses of the Nkrumahist version of Pan Africanism, but also for a class conscious critique of neo-colonialism.

Stuff which was ideologically defeated in the Sixties and Seventies has made a comeback. Whereas the Garveyite trend merged with the Caribbean maroon culture to come up with a revolutionary class theory (Black Stalin, Mutubaruka, Lord Invader, Linton Kwesi Johnson, Bob Marley, Steel Pulse, Mike Dred, Hugh Mandel, Walter Rodney, etc.). But US Garveyites fail to recognize this superior analysis and remain stuck in Garvey's 1940s Philosophy and Opinions because they can keep their little club mentality alive rather than liberate the world African proletariat (working class).

Garvey was no crackpot, and he had a class analysis. However, these guys today would never follow Garvey. They dont kno anything about Sobukwe, Biko, Mapetla, FRELIMO, ZANU, Nkrumah, Fanon, Cabral, Castro, Mao, Rodney, Galeano, Huey P, George Jackson, Yeshitela, Nyerere. They are kno-nothings but they have attacked the Black Liberation Movement and its revolutionary class analysis.

I see how they cite Mugabe when it is convenient. However, Mugabe cites Nkrumah. He discusses Nkrumah's theory of neo-colonialism. Yet NEO-COLONIALISM is only the dilution of the racist class struggle. RACISM IS THE CONCENTRATED CLASS STRUGGLE. The class struggle is concentrated within racial politics. That is the simplest and clearest explanation of racism, within the class context. While I am the first one to use that definition, it is only because of the work of our predecessors that I have been able to extend their theory and sharpen our understanding of "race" and class.

It is because of this deepened understanding that the forces of reaction have become more active. They kno Imperialism is in a crisis and it is vulnerable. They kno that a sharpened class analysis will strike the blow against neo-colonialism, which to this point we have not been able to undermine. In defeating neo-colonialism we will downthro Imperialism.

Lots of folks dont want Imperialism to end because they don't kno what to expect when it falls, or else they are reaping rewards for being its defenders. People like the Amexem Moors, Chief Elders and Grand Poobahs, preachers, ministers and other clergy who distort Garveyism, Pan Africanism and other crucial areas of our historical struggle. We must work on international African unity, and purge all contending lines.

IZWE LETHU I AFRIKA!
AMANDLA! AWETU!
UHURU!!

412-773-9110

[MsLioness]

Originally Posted by Langalibalele

THE UNCOMPROMISING CLASS STRUGGLE

by M. Sifika wa Nkomo


This is the 21st century that needs an UNCOMPROMISING CLASS analysis in our communities, organizations and leadership interests be it in electoral politics and non-electoral radical organizational alliances.

Electoral politics especially in the United States and South Africa must be used to politically educate African and non-African peoples primary (strategic) and secondary (tactical) political differences of the overall long-term IDEOLOGY of IMPERIALISM (national security) and short term BREAD & BUTTER politics around community welfare, job security, quality education and health care etc.

For example since the political assassinations of JFK, Malcolm, MLK, JFK etc, the last 45 years has a programmatic and conscious ideological efforts and political rhetoric to BREAK THE LIBERAL “SOCIAL CONTRACT” role of the STATE so that it must serve those who OWN and BENEFIT PRIVATE PROPERTY and LBJ, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II have made that a SUCCESS IT IS TODAY!

Kwame Ture, H. Rap Brown, Huey P. Newton, Walter Rodney, Thomas Sankara etc and many others alive today knew just like George Soros, Warren Buffet, Rupert Murdoch, Henry Paulson new as early as 1972 what Imperialism and its domestic and foreign agendas was and is still about!

Those who followed Mayor Stokes, Justice Thurgood Marshall into the Supreme Court and Benjamin Hooks in Federal Government professional jobs are no different to those in top judicial, government and legislative in South Africa, Haiti, Zimbabwe, Kenya, Nigeria etc.

We live in more than 192 global bantustan controlled by the World Economic Forum created and based in Basle since 1973! This was a year or so after the US broke from the GLOD STANDARD, preparing for "GLOBAL FINANCIAL SPECUALATIONS" and "DERIVATIVES".

In the same 1970's the IMF/World Bank introduced "Economic Structural Adjustment Programs" to undermine the "SOCIAL CONTRACT" in post colonial Africa and promote a culture of KLEPTOMANIA in all African countries so that they can sabotage themselves like Zimbabwe has done since 1983.

The ZANU-PF should never have accepted CONDITIONALITIES of loans from IMF and World Bank because they knew how DISHONEST and DECEPTIVE the United States and

the United Kingdom ruling classes have been and are still to Africans-at home and abroad and even to so called" white hardworking class" as we see today!

I remember the ZANU-PF and Robert Mugabe in 1983 being falsely and ingeniously praised by the western and South African corporate media that " ..Mugabe has learnt from his 'comrade' and fellow President of Mozambique (Samora Machel) about the failures of Marxist-Leninism" and he is taking a pro-western development path".

As a political strategy to preserve national stability in Zimbabwe there was nothing wrong with selectively work with western imperialism because they had destabilized and destroyed Angola and Mozambique political economy's infrastructure!

But the problem was, unlike in Cuba, the Zimbabwe nationalist subjected the PEOPLES WILL, ZANU-PF, to class interests the GOVERNMENT run by comprador bourgeoisie!

Instead of ZANU-PF calling the shots as a PARTY to make the government accountable to it, ZANU-PF government started acting like a British Labor Party government answerable to global corporate interests who are LIARS!

This is not a personal attack on Robert Mugabe's illustrious individual history of personal and family sacrifice but SUBJECT CLASS INTERESTS OF THE PARTY LEADERSHIP, in the same manner the legacy of Malcolm X and MLK Jr are beign used by corporate charlatans to enrich themselves, cronies and families and similar situation prevails in South Africa.

We need to look at the Cuba as the best example where the PEOPLE ARE GOVERNING though a PARTY that makes GOVERNMENT accountable!

In South Africa the difference is that the Jacob Zuma-faction has used the same principle but for REACTIONARY NEO-COLONIAL & COMPRADOR bourgeois interests as they is NO CHANGE IN GOVERNMENT POLICIES, what THABO MBEKI was doing JACOB ZUMA WILL DO!

When we are involved in ELECTORAL POLITICS, that is transactive BREAD & BUTTER politics, but GRASRROOTS RADICAL ORGANIZING SHOULD BE LED BY IDEOLOGICAL TRANSFORMATION POLITICS TO BREAK THE POWER OF THE CLASS-based STATE.

In the USA or any other country including the United Kingdom, Zimbabwe and South Africa, for example changes has always been bottom up!

What IDEOLOGICAL role are we playing in terms CLASS politics beyond Mugabe, Mbeki and Obama electors politics as Pan-Africanist, because religion and race politics have been exhausted and ONLY BENEFIT reactionaries and liberal reformist into office!

The primary question of the 21st century is CLASS-be it Zimbabwe, United States, South Africa, Haiti, Ghana, Jamaica etc.


Mongezi Sefika wa Nkomo
eMzantsi-Afrika-Borwa Connections
2621 Centre Avenue, Suite 216
Pittsburgh,PA 15219
1-412-880-9769

=======================
NEO-COLONIALISTS DILUTE THE RACIST CLASS STRUGGLE

by I. Langalibalele


Black theologians, reactionary "Garveyites" and opportunist Pan Africanists are all uniting to assault the revolutionary theory of Pan Africanism (aka African Internationalism) which calls for a unified African state under scientific socialism. For this reason I have begun scouring the blogosphere not only for accurate analyses of the Nkrumahist version of Pan Africanism, but also for a class conscious critique of neo-colonialism.

Stuff which was ideologically defeated in the Sixties and Seventies has made a comeback. Whereas the Garveyite trend merged with the Caribbean maroon culture to come up with a revolutionary class theory (Black Stalin, Mutubaruka, Lord Invader, Linton Kwesi Johnson, Bob Marley, Steel Pulse, Mike Dred, Hugh Mandel, Walter Rodney, etc.). But US Garveyites fail to recognize this superior analysis and remain stuck in Garvey's 1940s Philosophy and Opinions because they can keep their little club mentality alive rather than liberate the world African proletariat (working class).

Garvey was no crackpot, and he had a class analysis. However, these guys today would never follow Garvey. They dont kno anything about Sobukwe, Biko, Mapetla, FRELIMO, ZANU, Nkrumah, Fanon, Cabral, Castro, Mao, Rodney, Galeano, Huey P, George Jackson, Yeshitela, Nyerere. They are kno-nothings but they have attacked the Black Liberation Movement and its revolutionary class analysis.

I see how they cite Mugabe when it is convenient. However, Mugabe cites Nkrumah. He discusses Nkrumah's theory of neo-colonialism. Yet NEO-COLONIALISM is only the dilution of the racist class struggle. RACISM IS THE CONCENTRATED CLASS STRUGGLE. The class struggle is concentrated within racial politics. That is the simplest and clearest explanation of racism, within the class context. While I am the first one to use that definition, it is only because of the work of our predecessors that I have been able to extend their theory and sharpen our understanding of "race" and class.

It is because of this deepened understanding that the forces of reaction have become more active. They kno Imperialism is in a crisis and it is vulnerable. They kno that a sharpened class analysis will strike the blow against neo-colonialism, which to this point we have not been able to undermine. In defeating neo-colonialism we will downthro Imperialism.

Lots of folks dont want Imperialism to end because they don't kno what to expect when it falls, or else they are reaping rewards for being its defenders. People like the Amexem Moors, Chief Elders and Grand Poobahs, preachers, ministers and other clergy who distort Garveyism, Pan Africanism and other crucial areas of our historical struggle. We must work on international African unity, and purge all contending lines.

IZWE LETHU I AFRIKA!
AMANDLA! AWETU!
UHURU!!

412-773-9110

Is Pan-Africanism the same thing as African Internationalism?
If one learned about African Internationalism, does one know what Pan-Africanism is?

Its better to read all of Nkrumah's books than to search the blogosphere for information about Nkrumah and Nkrumahism.

The issue is understanding that racism is directly connected to the race inferiority/superiority complex. We give power to something that is incorrect and a myth, when we deal too hard with racism. Reality is that those people who created the myth, do not believe in it...they used this thing they called race as an instrument in justifying and promoting the inhumane treatment of a fraction of humanity. THAT IS IT. Race inferiority/superiority has no scientific ground, so it is a lie.

Knowing that, why would we base an ideology off of a lie?

Nkrumah does not do that. Everything has a materialist base/historical base. We don't even deal with race as an issue anymore, we don't even spend time trying to understand that we are equal to all humanity.

Race philosophy is played out.

The music is not reflective of racial issues anymore...the young People, as myself (20 years of age) are no longer responsive to race as an -ism.

So how can you say that race (an untruth/non-existing/incorrect concept) is so prime in class struggle? People everywhere have been class-struggling.

The inferiority/superiority complex only goes as far as race goes, as a concept. Before colonialism, Africa had classes....not racism, not a race-class struggle...not a class of racist struggle...not a struggle between which race would get which class. Race is a myth.

There is only one human race. All of us have had/continue to have class-struggle, with or without colonialism.

The older People tend to still suffer from the remnants of the race issue.

[Majadi]

Yes Ms.Lioness, you are right Race for those of us I guess, 30 ish is a big issue, the reality is it was a big issue and still may be! I admit to struggling or wrestling with the Class concept. At 39 that whole concept still makes me feel like I would "push" my people out if I spoke in terms of Class, I am a Race Man, like Dr. Clarke, Dr. Ben, Hubert H Harrison, and folks like that! I am reading and learning from you and other younger folks, I hope I contribute as well. Our movement needs to somehow encompass all of these ideologies. This way in my perception we can achieve true Pan-Afrikanism! As long as all of we ants are trying to take down the elephant, you take the trunk and tusks, I am partial to the legs, we can take this bastard down!

[Langalibalele]

Originally Posted by MsLioness

Is Pan-Africanism the same thing as African Internationalism?
If one learned about African Internationalism, does one know what Pan-Africanism is?

Its better to read all of Nkrumah's books than to search the blogosphere for information about Nkrumah and Nkrumahism.

The issue is understanding that racism is directly connected to the race inferiority/superiority complex. We give power to something that is incorrect and a myth, when we deal too hard with racism. Reality is that those people who created the myth, do not believe in it...they used this thing they called race as an instrument in justifying and promoting the inhumane treatment of a fraction of humanity. THAT IS IT. Race inferiority/superiority has no scientific ground, so it is a lie.

Knowing that, why would we base an ideology off of a lie?

Nkrumah does not do that. Everything has a materialist base/historical base. We don't even deal with race as an issue anymore, we don't even spend time trying to understand that we are equal to all humanity.

Race philosophy is played out.

The music is not reflective of racial issues anymore...the young People, as myself (20 years of age) are no longer responsive to race as an -ism.

So how can you say that race (an untruth/non-existing/incorrect concept) is so prime in class struggle? People everywhere have been class-struggling.

The inferiority/superiority complex only goes as far as race goes, as a concept. Before colonialism, Africa had classes....not racism, not a race-class struggle...not a class of racist struggle...not a struggle between which race would get which class. Race is a myth.

There is only one human race. All of us have had/continue to have class-struggle, with or without colonialism.

The older People tend to still suffer from the remnants of the race issue.

Race itself is unscientific. If all races differentiated from the African, that means that the genetic material which makes each race unique also is found within the African genome. When some anthropologists says the Amhara or the Tuareg or the Wolof have Caucasoid features, s/he only verifies the fact that Africans are the direct predecessors of Caucasians. In fact, most Caucasians aren't even white. However, in this case we are not dealing with objective physical science, but with developing an analysis of Imperialism.

On that point, our goal is to win over the masses by meeting them at their level and moving them forward. They understand race and we understand their view of race, even if they do not understand ours. If we refuse to meet the masses on their level, we will never lead them, we will never spark any revolution and we will just be armchair revolutionaries. To repudiate the view that racism is the concentrated class struggle is to miss the mass POV. We kno racism to be colonialism but the people call the colonial condition "racism". So okay, we can deal with that. It is still the class struggle concentrated. And neo-colonialism dilutes the racist class struggle. Let's not try to redefine terms so much that we lose touch of the masses.
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Is Pan Africanism the same as African Internationalism?
Good question, Ms Lioness. Is Garveyism the same as Pan Africanism? Is Black Liberation Theology the same of Pan Africanism? What about Maroon culture, or the Palenques and Quilombos which fought against colonialism but did not have a formal ideology? Is Pan Africanism's class analysis scientific socialism, and is scientific socialism the same as Marxism? Is Kwame Nkrumah's analysis of neo-colonialism an extension or elaboration of Leninism (Imperialism, the Last Stage of Capitalism), and if it isn't why not? I have been struggling over the blogosphere on that count. Taking a lot of heat. If we characterize Pan Africanism as a developing analysis based on building a unified African state under scientific socialism, African Internationalism is based upon building international African unity, nearly the same. African Internationalists claim just about the same lineage as Pan Africanists: the maroons, the Haitian Revolution, Yaa Asantewa, Nzinga, Shaka Zulu, Henry Sylvester Williams, Marcus Garvey, the Mau Mau, WEB DuBois, Nkrumah, Malcolm X, Lumumba, Nyerere, the Black Panther Party, and many others. African Internationalism is the most disciplined movement within the Pan Africanist trend in as much as it adheres to a more traditional class analysis and other formal ideological aspects associated with, for instance, Lenin's definition of the revolutionary party (including D/C, criticism/self-criticism, style of work, a platform, mass work, etc.) as contrasted with some of the Nkrumahist principles like work-study, student activity, limited institution building. I am saying from experience within the AAPRP of which I had been a six years, and my experience in the APSP (Uhuru Movement) where I was a cadre for four years. The styles of work are different, and the levels of effectiveness measured in forward motion are dramatically different.

[Majadi]

Originally Posted by Langalibalele

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Is Pan Africanism the same as African Internationalism?
Good question, Ms Lioness. Is Garveyism the same as Pan Africanism? Is Black Liberation Theology the same of Pan Africanism? What about Maroon culture, or the Palenques and Quilombos which fought against colonialism but did not have a formal ideology?.

If I may, my feelings had always been that they are one and the same, doesn't the term Pan-Africanism insist upon a concept that includes all of us as Africans? I perhaps sound "We-Are-The-Worldish". Yet when I see all of these variant forces, individuals, groups, movements, organizations, I see uneccesary divisiveness. In order to achieve Pan-Afrikanism, in my estimation all of the ideas Maroons, Black Liberation Theologists, Garveyites, Nkrumaists, etc. must join into an organization much like what Dr. Chancellor Williams put together in the back of his phenomenal work, Destruction of Black Civilization. I asked a friend of mine how no one has done this yet after Dr. Williams put this plan together. He kindly reminded me of how I told him what my mother says when you say, "Someone should do this, that and the other!". Her response would be,

"Well fool when are you going to do it?" (Nothing like an Afrikan woman to bring reality to your ass!)

Her brilliant point was that we talk the talk and some of us walk it but we need to get going! In another post elsewhere, Elisha K. reiterated the need for us to join some form of organization or create a new one! Kwame Ture said this often, I first heard it from him at Malcolm X college in Chicago, years ago! My perception of Pan-Afrikanism is not as exacting and definitive as what I have seen from you all and your youthfully, vigorous mind. Yet having had my life threatened several times for this, having lost one wife to this, having been through the muck and mire for this, I refer to my self as a Pan-Africanist Nationalist. I wish to see (I think I have said this before), this group of brilliant minds organized as a unit, we are already organized on the net, perhaps a move to network and build on the ground in the streets with the masses as well! I digress, what I am seeing is a debate on terminology, a brilliant one as I am rather enjoying this. What are the commonalities between the diverse opinions you all hold, what do you agree on? Let us build on that.

[MsLioness]

Originally Posted by Majadi

Yes Ms.Lioness, you are right Race for those of us I guess, 30 ish is a big issue, the reality is it was a big issue and still may be! I admit to struggling or wrestling with the Class concept. At 39 that whole concept still makes me feel like I would "push" my people out if I spoke in terms of Class, I am a Race Man, like Dr. Clarke, Dr. Ben, Hubert H Harrison, and folks like that! I am reading and learning from you and other younger folks, I hope I contribute as well. Our movement needs to somehow encompass all of these ideologies. This way in my perception we can achieve true Pan-Afrikanism! As long as all of we ants are trying to take down the elephant, you take the trunk and tusks, I am partial to the legs, we can take this bastard down!

Yes, Bro. Majadi, the young and old are going to struggle....lol.

[MsLioness]

Originally Posted by Langalibalele

Race itself is unscientific. If all races differentiated from the African, that means that the genetic material which makes each race unique also is found within the African genome. When some anthropologists says the Amhara or the Tuareg or the Wolof have Caucasoid features, s/he only verifies the fact that Africans are the direct predecessors of Caucasians. In fact, most Caucasians aren't even white. However, in this case we are not dealing with objective physical science, but with developing an analysis of Imperialism.

On that point, our goal is to win over the masses by meeting them at their level and moving them forward. They understand race and we understand their view of race, even if they do not understand ours. If we refuse to meet the masses on their level, we will never lead them, we will never spark any revolution and we will just be armchair revolutionaries. To repudiate the view that racism is the concentrated class struggle is to miss the mass POV. We kno racism to be colonialism but the people call the colonial condition "racism". So okay, we can deal with that. It is still the class struggle concentrated. And neo-colonialism dilutes the racist class struggle. Let's not try to redefine terms so much that we lose touch of the masses.
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Is Pan Africanism the same as African Internationalism?
Good question, Ms Lioness. Is Garveyism the same as Pan Africanism? Is Black Liberation Theology the same of Pan Africanism? What about Maroon culture, or the Palenques and Quilombos which fought against colonialism but did not have a formal ideology? Is Pan Africanism's class analysis scientific socialism, and is scientific socialism the same as Marxism? Is Kwame Nkrumah's analysis of neo-colonialism an extension or elaboration of Leninism (Imperialism, the Last Stage of Capitalism), and if it isn't why not? I have been struggling over the blogosphere on that count. Taking a lot of heat. If we characterize Pan Africanism as a developing analysis based on building a unified African state under scientific socialism, African Internationalism is based upon building international African unity, nearly the same. African Internationalists claim just about the same lineage as Pan Africanists: the maroons, the Haitian Revolution, Yaa Asantewa, Nzinga, Shaka Zulu, Henry Sylvester Williams, Marcus Garvey, the Mau Mau, WEB DuBois, Nkrumah, Malcolm X, Lumumba, Nyerere, the Black Panther Party, and many others. African Internationalism is the most disciplined movement within the Pan Africanist trend in as much as it adheres to a more traditional class analysis and other formal ideological aspects associated with, for instance, Lenin's definition of the revolutionary party (including D/C, criticism/self-criticism, style of work, a platform, mass work, etc.) as contrasted with some of the Nkrumahist principles like work-study, student activity, limited institution building. I am saying from experience within the AAPRP of which I had been a six years, and my experience in the APSP (Uhuru Movement) where I was a cadre for four years. The styles of work are different, and the levels of effectiveness measured in forward motion are dramatically different.

No. Leninism and Nkrumahism is not the same thing. Nkrumahism-Tureism incorporates, much like Maoism, CULTURE. Truly we are materialists, but we also understand that there will be immaterial ramifications in struggling. Consciencism shows how important the immaterial is... For me, the immaterial is 85% and the other 15% is the material.

Revolutions do not secure themselves if the People do not have the Revolutionary spirit.

Concerning the A-APRP and the APSP...we are supposed to judge the principals. Whether or not, fast or slow, big or small...the thrust of the organization into the community, if the principals are correct, we should support them. The masses will eventually adopt these principals, IF the principals are correct. Socialism is a Truth.

We have to be scientific and use our human sense on what justice is.

The masses are ideologically confused. You do see poor People in the ghetto owning the nicest cars....right. They are trying their hardest to hold on to a philosophy from the bourgeoisie, but is exactly opposite of their own living conditions.

Racism is not colonialism. That is FACT. And we must not continue to confuse our People.

We cannot get tired or exhausted in struggle. We have to be supporters and promoters and practitioners of PEACE/Love for Humanity. We might not agree 10,000% with any ideology out there, but that does not mean to come up with your own or another ideology, but simply struggle on improving its quality through scientific reasoning. State your case, and be sharp...but keep your peace. If the masses (in the org.) do not agree, it might not be the time to come out with new ideas. Continue to struggle with the masses.

[Langalibalele]

Originally Posted by MsLioness

No. Leninism and Nkrumahism is not the same thing. Nkrumahism-Tureism incorporates, much like Maoism, CULTURE. Truly we are materialists, but we also understand that there will be immaterial ramifications in struggling. Consciencism shows how important the immaterial is... For me, the immaterial is 85% and the other 15% is the material.

Revolutions do not secure themselves if the People do not have the Revolutionary spirit.

Concerning the A-APRP and the APSP...we are supposed to judge the principals. Whether or not, fast or slow, big or small...the thrust of the organization into the community, if the principals are correct, we should support them. The masses will eventually adopt these principals, IF the principals are correct. Socialism is a Truth.

We have to be scientific and use our human sense on what justice is.

The masses are ideologically confused. You do see poor People in the ghetto owning the nicest cars....right. They are trying their hardest to hold on to a philosophy from the bourgeoisie, but is exactly opposite of their own living conditions.

Racism is not colonialism. That is FACT. And we must not continue to confuse our People.

We cannot get tired or exhausted in struggle. We have to be supporters and promoters and practitioners of PEACE/Love for Humanity. We might not agree 10,000% with any ideology out there, but that does not mean to come up with your own or another ideology, but simply struggle on improving its quality through scientific reasoning. State your case, and be sharp...but keep your peace. If the masses (in the org.) do not agree, it might not be the time to come out with new ideas. Continue to struggle with the masses.

I love you my sister and respect your opinion very much, because we have been able to struggle together and make war against imperialism. We are not going to split on this point. Racism is colonialism. Racism is the name that colonialism in America assumed following Jim Crow. That's all it is. Look, we are grappling over semantics, and we have not met the people on their own terms. Slavery was colonialism, but it was called slavery. Only the chattel part differentiates what happened to Africans in the Americas from what happened to us in the Motherland. It was still colonialism but if you talk to any sister or brother on the street they will identify with slavery.

In fact, the whole entire reparations movement has been geared around chattel slavery, not colonialism. Otherwise, we would not just be counting our cotton-picking days down south. We would hold Imperialism responsible for the counterinsurgency, neo-colonialism and other crimes against humanity.

Following slavery, what did we call colonialism: JIM CROW. Then, when Jim Crow was dusted, we started talking about racism, a word which was barely in our vocab prior to the Sixties. Now it has a daily occurence. These terms are all substitutes for what Africans called colonialism. It aint gonna cause a train wreck to meet the people on their own terms and give it clarity.