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Ignorant post from http://www.allhiphop.com/ forum
I was browsing around allhiphop.com and I happen to come up on a post that said that blacks in Amerikkka were not African. I wasnt allowed to log in an express my opinion being one of intense anger. I would like to know what my fellow comrads at this forum have to say about this.
by a brotha named supreme hustle
Africans and Black people amaze me because we have nothing in common. As much as Black would love to identify with something and as bitter as Africans would like to remain on the topic, face it, there are no direct similarities any longer. Black people that feel I’m wrong need to understand you are not and African and more importantly, they do not like you more then half the time. And African’s need to understand that constantly being critical of a people you have nothing directly in common with are never going to count you in as one of the homeys or colleagues 100%. There is no need to compare the two because the two groups have nothing in common. Africans can talk all day about how bad they have it and how much they appreciate shit but the fact remains that they are from a third world continent. Their desire to have our place in America, and their lectures on how much better they would treat it only come from the fact that they come from a less desirable area where anything in American looks better. Though I do not think white people owe black anything and our problems are still that, our problems. I do believe that our situation coming up in America is the reasoning behind they way some of us are the way we are. I think rap, though it is how I and the majority of my family have made a living, is a poor example of how black people are a whole but stereotypes do come from somewhere. The one thing Africans have yet to understand is that few black people could ever take the advice of anyone from a country on a continent as large of Africa because despite your arguments on how stupid we are, you still carry the bulk of issues between the two continents. And anyone who pays taxes and pays close attention to where money is spent knows that most of the time when we hear about the continent here in the states its going to cost us money. Though I know African is a gorgeous place and has a lot of great aspect, do not paint it is if there are no dead beats and wife beaters, let alone Congo rebels, malaria, and a whole bunch of other shit, far more damaging then rap and drive-bys. I have a hard time dealing with Africans because of their personal resentment for black people and America as a whole, but whenever I hear this bullshit its here in America cause I don’t feel the urge to frequent Africa so I am always listening to Africans talking about how great the motherland they left is. Though I can respect our brief similarity in history, the fact of the matter is that I would rather be a poor ignorant nigga in Atlanta then a smart one in Zemunda personally. Though it’s easy to see what’s wrong with black people when you’re not black, you don’t have an advantage because you’re African. More then white people hate niggas, they hate foreigners, and we aint considered foreigners. American is made up of people who work hard, and people who work smart, working hard never got anyone anywhere. So when you call yourself an African and want use to believe how great Africans are though we all know there are different groups over there with different problems, only refer to use as Americans in general and see how well your argument stand up. Granted we have a fair share of problems in our community but so do white Americans. Africans need to stop acting like their whole continent compares to our 12% community. If your neighbors moved to the moon, they would be your neighbors who now live on the moon for the first 10 or 20 years, but after about 400 years, they are simply the “moon people” and no longer have any affiliation to where they started… I think you get the picture. Mexicans are another group who Africans have nothing in common with, and who are easier targets, why not aim for that for the next few years. Hell, Coming to America helped the view of a nation more then people care to admit.
There is no answer to why black people are ignorant to an African, and I wish ignorant black people who get all their news from AllHipHop.com wouldn’t let an African pull the card of your whole community like you owe him something, he’s in the same boat with another group we have nothing in common with , white people. If he would have said the same thing and been a white South African, despite the fact he is an African there would have been a problem. More then Black people let white people make them feel sorry for themselves or get made when they hear the truth; they let Africans do it too. If black people were nearly as critical of Africans, we could have a field day, but somewhere along the line a vacuous ness of self identity prohibits the truth from being told. Please believe it, b/e/z from that A-Town.
"Hitler said tell a lie a thousand times and it becomes the truth...we say tell one truth and it crushes a thousand lies"--Kwame TureOriginally Posted by Hue-Man
Alafia,
In my humble opinion, i think it is counter-productive to get into what SOME Afrikans currently on the continent (or RECENT expatriates of it) think of their long, lost brethren spread throughout the world. Who are THESE Afrikans (that think like that) that we must prove to them that we are "authentic" Afrikans?
Mental rewiring is definitely in order for these lackies.
Tarikh.
"When you do your homework, you can come out of any corner."--Baba Dr. John Henrik Clarke
"Any leadership that teaches you to depend upon another race is a leadership that will enslave you."--Marcus Mosiah Garvey
"But my spirit is growing in sevens."--Saul Williams.
"Backstage whisperin' to management, like 'change the order, there's no way that we can rock after THEM!'"--Black Thought.
I can't even read what a agent named "Supreme Hustla".......gotts to say.... that's like the Coz speakin to me..........
be on tha look 4 Agents Smifs near UUUU![]()
"If anybody can't live under AFRIKAN POWER show 'em where tha airport is, tha shipyard is or where the graveyard is" <> Dr. J. H. Clarke (Christopher Columbus Grand Theft Genocide)
NO SALE/CELL/SELL-OUT
Originally Posted by IfasehunReincarnated
Asante sana for Keepin it Real!
Cause this to me is the REAL DEAL!
How many nurses or docs you know blame the pt. foring all over the place due to a stomach virus? How many family members do the same....
well...while We may BE disgusted from the smell of, and need to clean it up cause the person too ill....still...WE overstand they sick and not in control
This to me is also true of the "sell-outs"....they SICK! Hell...ain't WE all ...to greater or lesser degrees ...cause i think it's kinda ill to expect the sick and wounded to diagnosis and heal themselves by themselves....does one expect a doc to perform open heart surgery on hisself?....is it possible...he may be able to identify the source of the trouble and even give someone the instructions on what to DO to help him....yet still....he is not alone in the mission.
Liberal minded me? maybe...just a part of who I am
Akpe for allowing me to share![]()
In Love of AFreekans home and abroad
Thanks for responding everyone. I had to be away for a while, but thats a good thing because it gave me time to think of a response that didnt involve anger. Most you have said what I would said. Like you said Ifasehunreincarnated we wre trained to think that we are different from one another, so I am no longer mad at the brotha for his ignorant opinion. This is only a result of Yts divide and conquer.
PEACE !
wow,i have to say that we have been programmed to think and acta certain way,africans will hard pressed when they found out that the whiteman will slap them and do them in just like they do us, some africans told me because iam fair skin person,i dont go thru what they go thru,well,i have been toe to toe with neo nazis,calling me nigger and wanting to fight, onlya friend of mine from haiti,said something that made me cry,she recognized my love for our people,i have put my life on the line for what i believe and stand for,and thats just who iam, hurts me to an extent,because continental africans,as i heard from some resources that they are told not to mix with african amerikans up on arrival and they are given literatures about african amerikans,it is willy linch modern style, peoples!
called propaganda machine!
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sotito! sododo! soora masika!![]()
" perform truth,perform righteousness,perform kindness and avoid cruelty!"
Nipa nye abe dua na ne ho ahyia ne ho. Or, Se mmerenkensono si ne ti ase a, na ewo dea asase reka kyere no. Also, Nnua nyinaa bewu agya abe.
Its funny cause I live in the D and sadly our basic interaction with continent born Afrikans only occurs for economic purposes (getting our hair "did"/street vendors)...
My mom is alwayyyyyys uttering those wrteched words "They dont even like us"...and Im always explaining colonialism to her over and over again. Its a lowly state of affairs for all Afrikan ppl.
But as the poet Sundiata said...Just cuz U put puppies in the oven-that dont make em biscuits.
Ifasehun
....Originally Posted by She_Ba
and/or marriage so they can Be~come 'citizens'......nowadays...instead of expressing thier undying "love" for an african amerikkkan sister...to get her to marry.....they go ahead and offer $$$$$ and make it a pure bizniz arrangement......capitalizm at its best....as practiced by Afreekans against Afreekans........no better than the Afreekans born and reared in jamaica.....who DO the same ish......getting a free ride on an Afreekan sistren
all...capitalizing on OUR Honest, UpFront, Dedication to the Be~liefs and Pratices of Unity.....only to get confronted with an ugly Re~ality....
they done brought into some bs....![]()
Yo Guys, this is interesting for me what you are saying.
I am a white Afrikan, I am in fact the White South African that Hue-Man was refering to in the original rant and rave article. For those who don't know, we (white South Africans) are a minority in S-Africa. Making up only 10% of the population. That is less than the 12% black in the USA.
Ironically, we get treated here in SA the way black people in the USA get treated. We get pushed around, denied jobs because of the colour of our skin, get looked down on because of the colour of our skin etc. Now here is the thing, linking the discussion: My ancestors came from Europe 400 years ago, but I am fully African as are the majority of white South Africans. The home language of most white South Africans is "Afrikaans" - an African language.
But we get told by our government and by black South Africans that we are not Afrikan, that we are European. Now I have been to Europe, and I am NOTHING like them.
White Afrikans are completely different to white Europeans. In the same way tha black Amercans are completely different from Black Africans. All we share is a basic skin tone, and even that is not entirely the same.
It amuses us in SA (not in bad way just because we are interested) why Black Americans try so hard to identify with the continent. You are American surely. Don't you feel "American"? We try very hard to distance ourself from Europe and be African coz this is our home. Why do you guys want to be "African", knowing that 80% of the African continent is a horrible place to live in comparison to the luxury and 1st world comfornts that you have in the USA. Whay don't you just want to be "American"?
I would be very interested to hear.
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Afrikaans is not an Afrikan language
Afrikaans is linguistically closely related to 17th century Dutch, and to modern Dutch by extension. Speakers of each language can make themselves easily understood by speakers of the other. Other less closely related languages include the Low Saxon spoken in northern Germany and the Netherlands, German, and English. Cape Dutch vocabulary diverged from the Dutch vocabulary spoken in the Netherlands over time as Cape Dutch absorbed words from other European settlers, East Indian slaves, and native African languages.
Why were the Dutch in Afrika?
South Africa was colonized/oppressed/murder/slaughtered/exploited/stripped of there culture by the English and Dutch in the seventeenth century. English domination of the Dutch descendents (known as Boers or Afrikaners). Diamonds.
Oppression for whitey in Azaniza (aka S. Africa)?
With the enactment of apartheid laws in 1948, racial discrimination was institutionalized. Race laws touched every aspect of social life, including a prohibition of marriage between non-whites and whites, and the sanctioning of ``white-only'' jobs. In 1950, the Population Registration Act required that all South Africans be racially classified into one of three categories: white, black (African), or colored (of mixed decent). The coloured category included major subgroups of Indians and Asians. Classification into these categories was based on appearance, social acceptance, and descent. For example, a white person was defined as ``in appearance obviously a white person or generally accepted as a white person.'' A person could not be considered white if one of his or her parents were non-white. The determination that a person was ``obviously white'' would take into account ``his habits, education, and speech and deportment and demeanor.'' A black person would be of or accepted as a member of an African tribe or race, and a colored person is one that is not black or white. The Department of Home Affairs (a government bureau) was responsible for the classification of the citizenry. Non-compliance with the race laws were dealt with harshly. All blacks were required to carry ``pass books'' containing fingerprints, photo and information on access to non-black areas.
In 1951, the Bantu Authorities Act established a basis for ethnic government in African reserves, known as ``homelands.'' These homelands were independent states to which each African was assigned by the government according to the record of origin (which was frequently inaccurate). All political rights, including voting, held by an African were restricted to the designated homeland. The idea was that they would be citizens of the homeland, losing their citizenship in South Africa and any right of involvement with the South African Parliament which held complete hegemony over the homelands. From 1976 to 1981, four of these homelands were created, denationalizing nine million South Africans. The homeland administrations refused the nominal independence, maintaining pressure for political rights within the country as a whole. Nevertheless, Africans living in the homelands needed passports to enter South Africa: aliens in their own country.
In 1953, the Public Safety Act and the Criminal Law Amendment Act were passed, which empowered the government to declare stringent states of emergency and increased penalties for protesting against or supporting the repeal of a law. The penalties included fines, imprisonment and whippings. In 1960, a large group of blacks in Sharpeville refused to carry their passes; the government declared a state of emergency. The emergency lasted for 156 days, leaving 69 people dead and 187 people wounded. Wielding the Public Safety Act and the Criminal Law Amendment Act, the white regime had no intention of changing the unjust laws of apartheid.
The penalties imposed on political protest, even non-violent protest, were severe. During the states of emergency which continued intermittently until 1989, anyone could be detained without a hearing by a low-level police official for up to six months. Thousands of individuals died in custody, frequently after gruesome acts of torture. Those who were tried were sentenced to death, banished, or imprisoned for life, like Nelson Mandela.
The apartheid policy was highly effective of achieving its goal of preferential treatment for whites, as is demonstrated by the statistics in Figure 1.
source:
http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/...heid.hist.html
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...kaans-language
Two european sources even own our people can't deny the truth.
"If the enemy is not doing anything against you, you are not doing anything"
-Ahmed Skou Tour
"speak truth, do justice, be kind and do not do evil."
-Baba Orunmila
"Cowardice asks the question: is it safe? Expediency asks the question: is it political? Vanity asks the question: is it popular? But conscience asks the question: is it right? And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor political, nor popular - but one must take it simply because it is right."
--Dr. Martin L. King
Greetings to all,
This is Sistah Kentake...I just had to post a message because I want to share with MY people a little of my own experience in West Afree-ka in 2002.I was in Nigeria 1st then next I went on to Ghana-let me say that I personally felt that Afree-kans on the Continent regard us as "STRANGERS" and there is alot of resentment that they direct towards us-especially when we associate deeply with our homeland, the true reality is that we are not considered FAMILY to them in any way shape or form....the least I can say is that they might feel some form of PITY for us at the least.... all this-for what reason I can never understand.
It is only until you go out there that you REALLY UNDERSTAND the mental shackles that are so effectively implanted in ALL OF OUR MINDS-WHEREEVER WE ARE IN THE WORLD! :!: We have been seriously f..... up-the almost complete confusion and choas surrounding us is testament to this...but worse of all the separated families on 2 sides of the globe that should be coming to join hands and hearts at this most difficult time are now building a concrete wall that will be used against us as another barrier to our own progress.....I say let dem guh lang with their war and hatred, I will not join in the death race to my own destruction!Let de hidiot dem rage!-they will destroy themselves in the process and all the better for THOSE AMONG US who are TRUE NATION BUILBERS-when they ALL perish there will be less house niggas we have to deal with-and I mean it/fe real : :cheers: .
I decided in Afree-ka I will not let this stupidity discourage me,I will continue on my way because I KNOW MY ANCESTORS ARE GUIDING ME NOT MAN-i have chosen to completely this IGNORE bull.... divide and conquer talk and to be very aggressive and straightforward to all house niggas who dare open their daty mouth to utter such garbage in my presence.
The most important factor for me in dealing with Continental born Afree-kans (who can be very insultive as I have experienced on many occasions)specifically is to express to them clearly what I and my people in the Diaspora have suffered (because in most cases they REALLY DON'T KNOW..)and why I have the right and the obligation to define myself 4 myself.So in truth defining myself as an arisen Afree-kan is not only a right but a responsibilty and to define myself with the slavemasters' identity that was given to me would be an insult to the ancestors that survived the MAAFA-ARE THEY NOT THE REASON WE ARE ALL HERE TODAY, IF THEY WERE NOT WARRIORS WOULD WE ENJOY ANY OF THE FREEDOM WE DO? No matter what the bros. and sis. on the Continent say about us WE ARE THE LIVING TESTAMENTS TO THE GREAT MAJESTIC POWER OF OUR ANCESTORS AND WE MUST NEVER BE ASHAMED.....WE ARE HERE TO TELL THEIR STORY....ASHE.
By the way can someone tell the fool fool white bwoy that his ONLY HOME is is in the caves/Caucus mountains?where him and his race belong!![]()
Asase Ye Duru=Mama Earth
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