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      Start Our Own Country - Can It Be Done?


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      I could not help but wonder if some uninhabited island(s) could be bought off some country in the Pacific Rim that nobody actually uses or wants, and use them to start our own country? If anyone among you would be open to an idea like that, I'd like to hear some ideas.

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      Hello my afrikan family. In response to "buying an un-inhabited island in the pacific to start our nation" i would like to say one island is not big enough to accomodate all afrikans globally that may want to exodus there.
      The correct answer is in my book "the panama bible" in this forum under "spirituality." we already have land peopled by afrikans on the afrikan continent, and in the afrikan diaspora (caribbean, latin america, pacific isles, australia, india). All we have to do is leave the u.s. (mass exodus to freedom), and begin to set-up maroon societies (coops, communes where all is shared) in the diaspora lands of our choosing, or in afrikan nations of our choosing.
      Ghana has already welcomed afrikans-in-america, and cuba-venezuela-panama-brazil are good starting places for settlements in the americas. Don't complicate things. Reach out, step outside of the box (u.s. Matrix), and re-evolve (take your rightful place again).

      Ma'at, no justice, no peace, one afrika, afrika for the afrikans!

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      Quote Originally Posted by JAH III View Post
      Hello my afrikan family. In response to "buying an un-inhabited island in the pacific to start our nation" i would like to say one island is not big enough to accomodate all afrikans globally that may want to exodus there.
      The correct answer is in my book "the panama bible" in this forum under "spirituality." we already have land peopled by afrikans on the afrikan continent, and in the afrikan diaspora (caribbean, latin america, pacific isles, australia, india). All we have to do is leave the u.s. (mass exodus to freedom), and begin to set-up maroon societies (coops, communes where all is shared) in the diaspora lands of our choosing, or in afrikan nations of our choosing.
      Ghana has already welcomed afrikans-in-america, and cuba-venezuela-panama-brazil are good starting places for settlements in the americas. Don't complicate things. Reach out, step outside of the box (u.s. Matrix), and re-evolve (take your rightful place again).

      Ma'at, no justice, no peace, one afrika, afrika for the afrikans!
      I agree wholeheartedly. I have studied the dynamics in Cuba, Ghana, and Panama for quite sometime and I noticed a great opportunity for Africans to invest in these countries because a black owned market is already set up there. This is especially found in Cuba where the reigns of the former regime are fading and the blacks in the country are seizing the market and becoming producers.

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      Well, at least the land issue is settled. I don't exactly have a degree in nation-building...
      On a side note - if I were to have to leave the USA in a hurry, I've got my eye on Belize. My mother's from there.

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      First we must agree on where to start nuetralizing the effects of

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      this going to take generations first we must agree on what the largest obstical is in our way, I would say it is the effects of the "Black Matrix" because it prevents our unity and without that nothing can be done Once we agree on that then we need to devise a counter action ,I believe the basis for that "counteraction" can be derived from Dr.Francis Cress Welsings book "The ISIS Papers". That being done it must be taught and passed on..... for generations until we have reclaimed our dignity,self love ,honor ,pride and overall sense of self worth .this is going to be a 2 steps forward 1 step back process because "the B.M" is still going to be turning out House N-----s and insane little fools who want to call our Mothers,sisters and daughters The B word and all of N----- it may look like black on black crime but we will have to "clean house " if we can't cure the disease then it must be cut out .....

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      Unfortunately brother, we may not have two or more generations to wait! Each generation gets weaker and poorer, while our enemies are getting stronger and richer. Genocide is slowly destroying us, and we are not responding to this challenge.

      The true grass-roots leaders of our people need to move-act now, to prepare the future and way for our masses, who will need to flee in a hurry from the usa, to afrika and other diaspora lands.

      Our group is working to secure housing and employment for our people in panama, and later in other parts of latin america. Once our people are re-located, we will deal with the bad/negative elements within our communities! Our re-evolution is close at hand!

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      From the looks of what you guys are saying, the core parts are already done:

      1) We have land that our people are welcome to use in multiple countries. Land is good - land is our friend.
      2) There are people in some of those countries becoming producers. That's good - we will need trade to establish a larger economy. The infrastructure itself already exists - just improve it.
      3) The people themselves seem to be eager to welcome us. Not like these soft-asses Amerikkkans who are skrr'd to even take a punch to the face.

      On cleaning house... this is going to have to be done at some point. Rather sooner than later. We already know about the house havampu and how they cannot be trusted. Execute them in the public square. As far as these wannabe thugs and divas you see running around nowadays, our new society will have no place for such trash. Give them a choice: put them in an occupation where they can actually be useful with no excuses. Most will come around because they'll see we are not hypocritical like the old society, and they'll be proud that what they are doing is helping other people. Who could not feel great about that?

      However, if they want to bring that thug life mentality with them, they can join the house havampu at the execution grounds.


      On another note... if we ever get this done, can I be in charge of immigration? I foresee many YT's leaving Amerikkka in the future, and I wanna be ready should they be unable to keep their hands out of Diaspora pockets. Our ancestors played this game in the past and got scammed big time.

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      Icon Offtheair No money, No country, No Move


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      My entire comment is somewhat off topic, but still related to the thread. I had posted this as a comment on facebook, but instead of having a respectful discussion on the issue the person decided to block me. So hopefully a useful conversation can be had here about it. Aside from that, I remember reading in The Destruction of Black Civilization, the author said in his outline for how we should deal with our people's issues. He said that it would be unrealistic to believe or expect that every black person would physically move out of the diaspora back to Africa or anywhere else. "Back to Africa" in a practical, useful sense would mean every (really, as many people that could be productive) black person would have a sense of identity and empathy with other blacks in the world. The rest is coming from the comment.

      I'm not saying anything about supporting a black capitalist ruling class or a middle class. People need money, period (regardless of where they are). So where is the money going to come from? What sense does it make to fight for an independent black nation if its economy (which every black revolutionary leader has, or should have, agreed a new nation would need) can't compete with the same nations that oppressed the people in the first place? Somebody has to have some kind of plan other than co-ops and other forms of subsistence economic activities. Those are needed, but can't be THE economic system that the entire nation functions on. It never has been that way, not even in Africa (ie. Egypt and Kuba - citing The Destruction of Black Civilization).


      What sense does it make to go yelling "black power, fuck white people" at protests, rallies, or organization meetings when those same white people are supplying a majority of the people with jobs? How are you supposed to afford basic necessities, plus a gun and bullets or any other resources needed for revolutionary action with no money or job? Yeah, you can make money illegally, but most likely you're destroying the same community you claim to be fighting for in the process directly or indirectly.


      If a man owns a (small) business/partnership, etc. and makes his own money, then how is his family going to eat if he gets killed or locked up? And we already know that he would be out of a job if he worked for someone else, regardless of the race of the person he worked for/with. And despite the most ideal outlook of how things SHOULD be, we have to look at how things ARE now with a practical approach to reach of how to stablize ourselves in our current situation and transition to another that we create. Otherwise any ideology presented to the masses is no better than a basic religion.


      Hard to do much of anything if you're broke.So it's not so much that "niggas are scared of revolution", they're just going where they hope they'll be able to pay their bills and eat. If/when revolutionary organizations can provide the same, and hopefully better method of putting food on the table, then people would support and rally around those politics and principles. Otherwise, the average person will nod their heads or cheer you on, but as soon as you stop talking, they'll go where they have to go to pay their bills and eat.

      Money and politics go hand and hand. You have to get money, then use political power to protect it. Otherwise, you'll have all this money and nothing to do with it because we'll still have no control over the political climate of where we live. And vise versa, if we have political influence, but no money, then we're still at the mercy of those who control the money, regardless of our political action.

      Aside from that, I remember reading a while back one of the executives of ebay or yahoo or something like that was having a platform built in international waters. It's supposed to be a new nation he's planning that will have no laws or rules, an experimental libertarian community.
      So if I should ever fall and get caught in a hustle
      Let em know that I died while I fought in a struggle
      From the hoodrats to rich kids lost in a bubble
      Spray paint it on the streets and in the subway tunnels
      Write it down and remember, that we never gave in
      The Mind of a Child is where the Revolution Begins
      So if the solution has never been to look in yourself,
      How is it that you expect to find it anywhere else?

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      Does people/nations need money, or do they need goods and services? We can't focus on the u.s. Dollar, because it will soon be worthless. So will all the other worthless 'paper' money around the world, including in europe, that is not backed by precious metals.

      Our true wealth is in our people and their labor, our lands, and our resources. Once we form alliances with each other, and with other so-called "third-world" nations, we can trade/barter for food, water, petroleum, etc. Our nations have everything that is needed for our survival and prosperity into the future.

      Lets not worry about who will come with us, and who will stay in the usa. Things will force them to leave, and they will gladly join with us. Someone must build/create the working 'model' first! This is why our enemies hated haiti in the past, and venezuela-hugo chavez and moammar ghadafi-libya today. Both are workeable alternatives to their systems of exploitation and barbarism. Lets do it and stop talking/debating!

      We must pool all our talents and resources together if we are to achieve freedom and global nationhood.

      Don't focus on "money," focus on freedom and nationhood. All else will come during the initial stages and after. We must believe in this vision, and make it a reality!

      THEN WE MUST ALL PULL AWAY FROM THE DARK UNITED NATIONS AND FORM A NEW "ALLIANCE OF NATIONS," OR A.N., BASED ON JUSTICE AND PEACE, CENTERED IN MOTHER AFRIKA. THIS IS WHERE IT ALL FIRST BEGAN!

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      Jah, I remember reading about some millionaire that tried to build his own country on an island in Tongan waters. The King of Tonga did not think that shit was funny. So he sent in his Royal Marines. He backed down pretty quickly.

      But aside form that, I suggest we do something with these current African 'leaders'. Own economy or not, they are really killing the continent with their brand of socialism. I don't call owning ten Rolls Royces (they're actually pretty flimsy cars) while the people live on less than a dollar a day real socialism. We cannot make this dream a reality with assholes like Mugabe running around. I saw what happened in the 2009 'elections' in his country, and I was appalled. That asshead had a dude's wife set on fire because he ran against him for political office. When peaceful transfers of power happen in Afrika, (Ghana is a recent example) they're all in the GD news, as if we've just learned how to talk.

      Jamal, I think I overlooked something you have pointed out very clearly. I forgot to take into consideration that our people in America are in survival mode. And I think that is a strong point. Survival has always been a strong point amongst our people. But something else occurs to me - we will not need fiat currency (USA seems to have learned nothing from the dumbass Nazis) we have access to oil, food and other precious minerals our new currency could actually be backed by. Couldn't we use a basic communist system (the intended kind) amongst ourselves and use currency to deal with those outside the Diaspora? With that said, I stand by my stance that we will need a defense force/civillian militia to keep those barbarians' hands out our pockets.

      Tell me, what do you think of the proposed East African Federation that is being planned?

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      My ancestors are from the Motherland, and they say LEAVE NOTHING ALIVE. I say kill them all. DEATH to the United SnaKKKes!"

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