Allah is simply Arabic for God, so whats our issue with this?

[QueenWarriorNefertari]

I read alot of words here from folks who seemingly have a problem with Arabs/Muslims/Islam/Allah. I don't understand why.

In our spirituality as Afrikan people, do we hate anything not Afrikan? Why is it Afrikan spirituality instead of us being Afrikan individuals with our own spirituality or spiritual identity? Are we less Afrikan if we don't live by Orisa or KMT or Dogon?

Let ME know. I really want to know my brothers and sisters of this village thoughts, perspectives and opinions on this. I feel whatever your spiritual path, its peace you have one at all. Many of us don't believe in our Creator or anything at all.

[IfasehunReincarnated]

The issue of religious practice could be argued from a political standpoint, but the spiritual evidence is overwhelming:

All cultures and ethnicities have a natural, different vibrational energy, as well as historical legacy. In addition to all of that there is ancestral energy that changes and grows that is attachs to all spirituality and religions. This is undeniable and unavoidable. Every spiritual practice bears the mark of its originators and the culture of those orginators.

Arabs were among the first people to invade Afrika thousands of years ago. They never stopped invading Afrika. From the moment that they were in a position to trade us as labor and sex slaves they began and continue to do so.

Now while you might suggest that Muhammad never had an Afrikan slave, nor endorsed or issued the invasion of Afrika, you cannot avoid two facts:

He did endorse envangelism - which is considered immoral to Afrikans.
He did endorse slavery as opposed to servitude to repay a debt.

Furthermore, Islam is now not just what Muhammad left (if you believe he existed) its spiritual makeup also included the sum total of Arabic karma, which includes the persecution of women, the persecution of Afrikans and over 3,000 of continous war not only with us, but themselves.

Even if Islam is supposed to be a religion of peace it is unforunately marred and surrounded by the spiritual energy and legacy of death, intrigue, slavery, sexism, classism and revenge.

If religions are the manifestation of culture, Islam is the manifestation of Arabic culture. If Arabs do not recognize the divinity in women (and you know women are divine), and they do not recognize the humanity in Afrikans (and you know Afrikans are human) and they do not stop making war for thousands of years (although you know it is not appropriate to war that long under any circumstance) - than how do you practice that tradition without INVOKING and INVITING that spiritual karma into your life?

Are you more complete if you worship Afrikan manifestations of God? Well, let's rephrase your question - are you more complete when you love yourself? are you more complete when you embrace your ethnicity? are you more complete when you look at yourself and see the possibility that God manifested Her/His Self in a way that unique and complementary to who you are?

Lastly, when you compare the practice of Islam with that of ANY indigenous faith, you will find without doubt that you connection to Spirit is greater and you will also discover that our spiritual sciences are more complete and powerful that the rather elementary relgious practices of the "major world religions".

The rest of this forum is proof positive, as you can find no discussion nor tools of meditation, divination, or cultivation of spiritual empowerment in Islam, Judiasm or Christianity. In fact, at least in the case of Islam - most Imams discourage such studies. (That is except the more nouveau practictioners that try desperately to incorporate their socialized western (read: european) beliefs into their practices of Islam, in which case the potency of their practice and the validity of their claim to be true Muslims dissipates drastically.) How could any true spiritual practice discourage women as clergy, discourage spiritual awareness and tools, discourage the use of processes that allow you to talk DIRECTLY to God? In your avatar we see the Kundalini rising, the spiritual essence of humankind awakened, which increased awareness and connects one to not only creation but the "rhyme and reason that drive creation" - Name one Mosque on any continent that teaches how to awaken, feed, temper, strengthen, and use the Kundalini? Then after identifying this Mosque, quote the sections of the Koran and any other widely accepted Islamic scripture or spiritual reference source that validates that process.

[i]Afrikans may not have chosen to enslave the world, invent imperialism or build machines that spit out smoke, poisonous gas and pollute water so that we can sit with our feets up or our backs down (although we had all the math and science required to do so) - but we certainly are light years ahead in terms of spiritual production. We can do things spiritually that are still considered "magical" among Europeans and Arabs.

Which finally brings us to the political reality of "major world religions" - often times than not, they are not proposed as avenues for spiritual enlightment and evolution, but as tools of mass control.

[Kweku_Omowale]

well i respect everybody queen,but asa conscious afrikan man, i do have to say that i have problems with arabs, i have met enumerous africans that confirmed my suspicions,as in the words of one friend of mine from senegal,who is open to knowldedge he told me" the problem with africans,we accepted everything as they came,africans from the get go never questioned anything,when we should have questioned arabs when they brought islam in to africa and should have questioned christianity when the missionaries brought christianity in to africa" in pre colonial black africa,cheik anta diop breaksa lotta things down,islam,as to many continenental africans that i speak do tell me that, it is not an afrikan tradition,one friend of mine from ghana told me when the arabs( hyksos) went to the heart of afrika,africans already had their customs and their belief system,IFA is the old system in afrika dating back to 18.000.000 years b.c.e. i have been studying and researching the system fora while,you mentioned arabic, arabic,for me the is the language of the colonizer,according to one friend that i have in eastern kanada from sudan he told me,"khartoon is fully arabic and the southern sudan is christian,they want to turn the whole africa in toa muslim state" i see it as arab imperialism,as the same as eu-rope- ans imperialism, arabs were slave catchers and they had comcubines.
i dont think any arabs,have the knowledge of the cosmos like the dogons have,and it is deeper than dahomeys,islam was introduced to afrika i think about 600 .AD, i will go to my sources and get the correct dates,i think why isnt prayed in the native language of the person? arabs should have left afrika alone,because every afrikan society have their belief system,i will expand more on that :cheers:

[Akyeame Kwame]

Originally Posted by QueenWarriorNefertari

I read alot of words here from folks who seemingly have a problem with Arabs/Muslims/Islam/Allah. I don't understand why.

In our spirituality as Afrikan people, do we hate anything not Afrikan? Why is it Afrikan spirituality instead of us being Afrikan individuals with our own spirituality or spiritual identity? Are we less Afrikan if we don't live by Orisa or KMT or Dogon?

Let ME know. I really want to know my brothers and sisters of this village thoughts, perspectives and opinions on this. I feel whatever your spiritual path, its peace you have one at all. Many of us don't believe in our Creator or anything at all.

the problem is that both Allah and God are the enemies of Afrikan people...(i.e. the spirit of a-rab and krakkka imperialism, respectively)...

AK

[IfasehunReincarnated]

I feel whatever your spiritual path, its peace you have one at all. Many of us don't believe in our Creator or anything at all.

The fact that many of us dont believe in the Creator is a result of our interactions with the only culture on Earth to not only question the existence of Spirit but also try to subtly force that lie on others - Europeans.

There is no way to be an Afrikan, except in flesh, and not believe in Spirit. It is contradictory to everything that we believed and witnessed prior to meeting Europeans & Arabs. Spirituality is CENTRAL to EVERY facet of EVERY Afrikan community and culture. When we negate Spirit, we negate ourselves. Also when we contradict our own Ancestors' spiritual teachings and discoveries we contradict our own Inner Self. You spit on your own humanity and your own individual and unique spiritual identity. You in effect say that one piece can copied and complete a puzzle. This is nonsensical.

You are saying, rightly so, that its a miracle that people believe in anything at all. But the truest reality is that they GAVE us what they wanted us to believe in. It was their intention for us to believe in Allah and "God" in their terms. Arabs and Europeans have always wanted us to believe in nothing or whatever they believed in. They have gone through great lengths to apply reliable psychological and behavioral modifications and socialization to make this happen. Its no accident that you would question your own cultures spirituality but be open to theirs. No fault of your own, we are all brainwashed like this when we are victims of Arabic and European occupation.

Just remember, they rarely EVER stray or debate why they "can't just practice Afrikan beliefs and still be a good European." The thought is ridiculous to them.

We grow inspite of our relationship to Islam and Christianity, not because of it. The same way a patch of flowers grows inspite of being planted near the more aggressive spearmint and peppermint plants, not because it.

There are many roads, why not take one built by your own hands?

[Kweku_Omowale]

greetings of peace and serenity warriors alafia ifa!

akyeame,you know fellow,warrior and conrade,as i talk moreb and more with continental africans here in toronto,bits and pieces of truth start to come out, ethiopic is an ancient writting system way older than arabic,amharic is derived from giz, continental africans do confirm to me that africa,or al ke bulan,had their own writting system way before the arabic invasion and so arabic is not even afrikan,the arch of convenant contains old ancient writtingthat is not translatable to this day,pre dating more than 5000 years b.c.e or more, i still believe that arabs came to the intention to do the same of what their white counter parts did,to colonize,to exploit and steal peoples natural resources,i dont defend pan arabanism because arabs were slave catchers and they were and are merchants,all the way thru the zanzibar route, even because ethiopic is the oldest ancient writting system.

[RASNUBIAN]

I Dont Pray To Useless God's Or Any God For That Matter, Afrikan Or European. I Realize What We Think God Is, Is In Inner Space Not Outer Space.

[rebelAfrika]

Originally Posted by QueenWarriorNefertari

I read alot of words here from folks who seemingly have a problem with Arabs/Muslims/Islam/Allah. I don't understand why.

I'm not going to speak on the folks here who have a problem with Arabs/Muslims/Islam/Allah. They've done an excellent job explaining it for themselves and they are very well studied on the subject. I can tell you that I don't agree that there is a problem with Arabs/Muslims/Islam/Allah though. This is what my studies have yeilded.

Originally Posted by QueenWarriorNefertari

In our spirituality as Afrikan people, do we hate anything not Afrikan?

Sometimes this is the case...for some of us. But then again, hate is not the basis of any African spiritual system. Sometimes though...it's not a matter of hate, but a matter of being 100% dedicated to Africa where as we don't have an "ounce" of energy to give to anything else.

Originally Posted by QueenWarriorNefertari

Why is it Afrikan spirituality instead of us being Afrikan individuals with our own spirituality or spiritual identity?

My opinion is that if you are an "African" practicing any form of "spirituality" then you are practicing "African spirituality." That's just my opinion though, and I am open to differences of opinion.

Originally Posted by QueenWarriorNefertari

Are we less Afrikan if we don't live by Orisa or KMT or Dogon?

I've observed people practicing African culture and they had ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA THEY WERE DOING SO. Go figure.

Originally Posted by QueenWarriorNefertari

Many of us don't believe in our Creator or anything at all.

For real? You would say that "MANY" of us don't believe? Hmmmm. Because my experience has been that many of us DO believe in "SOMETHING"...and that there are VERY FEW of us who don't believe in anything.

[Kweku_Omowale]

GREETINGS OF PEACE AND SERENITY,REBEL AFRIKA!

how are things in the UNITED STATES OF AFRIKA! hey gimme some thoughts on what i mentioned,what ya think, i wrote about ethiopic being older than arabic as form of writting and continental africans,especially ethiopians have confirmed it for me,assante sane rebel afrika!

[NECKST]

Originally Posted by Akyeame Kwame

the problem is that both Allah and God are the enemies of Afrikan people...(i.e. the spirit of a-rab and krakkka imperialism, respectively)...

AK

Is that true?

Where is the evidence that "Allah" and "God" are enemies of anyone?

[rebelAfrika]

Originally Posted by Kweku_Omowale

GREETINGS OF PEACE AND SERENITY,REBEL AFRIKA!

how are things in the UNITED STATES OF AFRIKA! hey gimme some thoughts on what i mentioned,what ya think, i wrote about ethiopic being older than arabic as form of writting and continental africans,especially ethiopians have confirmed it for me,assante sane rebel afrika!

Wussup African!!

How are things in the United States of Afrika? I'll let you know when we get there

Arabia has never ruled Ethiopia, but Ethiopia has ruled Arabia. You know what happens when a people rule another people? I'll give you a hint...why are me and you talking to each other in english right now?

Plus...a cursory glance at linguistic history will show that Arabic is the decendent of Amharic.

[Sadiku]

Originally Posted by rebelafrika

I'm not going to speak on the folks here who have a problem with Arabs/Muslims/Islam/Allah. They've done an excellent job explaining it for themselves and they are very well studied on the subject. I can tell you that I don't agree that there is a problem with Arabs/Muslims/Islam/Allah though. This is what my studies have yeilded.

When you say that you "don't agree that there is a problem with Arabs...," I won't to know under whose apron have you been hiding for the last 5, 10, 15, 20 or 25 years. You must not have heard the stories and I believe that the only reason that you say this is because you have a-rab blood in your veins. What is it that makes you sympathize with this beast who has enslaved African peoples and was the catalyst for the slave trade. The first widespread castration of Africans was done by a-rabs. What makes you love this beast so. What makes you turn a blind eye to the fact that they tricked us and had invasions of Zanzibar and Tanzania (Tanganika) and other Eastern Coast African Countries and settlements whereby they came under the guise (to trade and barter) but ended up being a Trojan horse. The a-rabs have a history with Afrikans that ain't to "kosher". What about the slavery in Sudan? Is this too not at the hands of the a-rabs? Do you wish to deny this also? I would like some answers, because you are either living in a time warp or another dimension or you are an a-rab mulatto? I am beginning to believe and have serious reservations about what brings you to this forum when the overwhelming majority of African Americans and conscious Blacks and Africans can give you horror stories about dealiing with the a-rabs. What is wrong with you?

Where have you been studying? What have you been reading? Who have you been studying with? Because a lot of the disrespecting that the fucking a-rabs has brought to the Black community is common knowledge. They have literally taken over Detroit and the midwestern major metropolitan areas' inner city ghetto "trade", including drug trade and any and all vice. I think Mugabe should come over here with his "operation moveout garbage and filth" right here with the fucking a-rabs.

Now about this allah vs god terminology, let's stick with what we already know and use. No need to complicate matters unnecessarily. They use allah and for the most part "we" use "god". Who cares? They are still the same old savage beasts that they have always been! I really have an issue with our peoples always wanting to use some new found language and terminology to say the same ole shit that we always been saying. That new found shit still don't set our asses free. I am sick of the bull shit! Use the language and accent that we have now to make us free. That is the language that the majority of our people in America use anyway. Hell even a good majority of the a-rabs are educated in western universities and speak "ENGLISH". Don't try to re-invent the wheel. I aiin't gonna start apologizing every time I have a legitimate opinion just because it may offend yt or his sympathizers including hybridized mullatoes called - "a-rabs!" Fuck That~!

[Akyeame Kwame]

Originally Posted by IfasehunReincarnated

The fact that many of us dont believe in the Creator is a result of our interactions with the only culture on Earth to not only question the existence of Spirit but also try to subtly force that lie on others - Europeans.

There is no way to be an Afrikan, except in flesh, and not believe in Spirit. It is contradictory to everything that we believed and witnessed prior to meeting Europeans & Arabs. Spirituality is CENTRAL to EVERY facet of EVERY Afrikan community and culture. When we negate Spirit, we negate ourselves. Also when we contradict our own Ancestors' spiritual teachings and discoveries we contradict our own Inner Self. You spit on your own humanity and your own individual and unique spiritual identity. You in effect say that one piece can copied and complete a puzzle. This is nonsensical.

You are saying, rightly so, that its a miracle that people believe in anything at all. But the truest reality is that they GAVE us what they wanted us to believe in. It was their intention for us to believe in Allah and "God" in their terms. Arabs and Europeans have always wanted us to believe in nothing or whatever they believed in. They have gone through great lengths to apply reliable psychological and behavioral modifications and socialization to make this happen. Its no accident that you would question your own cultures spirituality but be open to theirs. No fault of your own, we are all brainwashed like this when we are victims of Arabic and European occupation.

Just remember, they rarely EVER stray or debate why they "can't just practice Afrikan beliefs and still be a good European." The thought is ridiculous to them.

We grow inspite of our relationship to Islam and Christianity, not because of it. The same way a patch of flowers grows inspite of being planted near the more aggressive spearmint and peppermint plants, not because it.

There are many roads, why not take one built by your own hands?

this is probly one of the most BlackCellent breakdowns on the subject i've read...E se Baba!

AK

[Akyeame Kwame]

this is directed to Bro. rebelAfrika,

is it possible to be against krakkka imperialism in "occupied" Mexico and not be against a-rab imperialism in "occupied" Afrika?

AK

[Akyeame Kwame]

Originally Posted by Kweku_Omowale

greetings of peace and serenity warriors alafia ifa!

akyeame,you know fellow,warrior and conrade,as i talk moreb and more with continental africans here in toronto,bits and pieces of truth start to come out, ethiopic is an ancient writting system way older than arabic,amharic is derived from giz, continental africans do confirm to me that africa,or al ke bulan,had their own writting system way before the arabic invasion and so arabic is not even afrikan,the arch of convenant contains old ancient writtingthat is not translatable to this day,pre dating more than 5000 years b.c.e or more, i still believe that arabs came to the intention to do the same of what their white counter parts did,to colonize,to exploit and steal peoples natural resources,i dont defend pan arabanism because arabs were slave catchers and they were and are merchants,all the way thru the zanzibar route, even because ethiopic is the oldest ancient writting system.

htp Bro. Kweku,

Ge'ez is indeed older than a-rab script. a-rab script is usually regarded as a descendant of what is commonly referred to as Demotic...a later stage of Mdw Ntr. also the Ka'ba housed the Ntr that were copied by a-rabs (like the greeks and romans after them) before they decided to throw away the Afrikanness unite around the spirit of a-rab imperialism aka Allah (the a-rab leech living off of Afrikan humanity).

i still believe that arabs came to the intention to do the same of what their white counter parts did,to colonize,to exploit and steal peoples natural resources,i dont defend pan arabanism because arabs were slave catchers and they were and are merchants,all the way thru the zanzibar route, even because ethiopic is the oldest ancient writting system. :souljaht

it makes my heart happy that you are clear on this...stay BlackCellent!!!

AK