Free thinking. 4 part series

[mardukson]

PART ONE

First of all let me state, I do honestly believe that I'm on to something--don't mean I am, but I have based everything I'm espounding on research. Still don't mean I have anything, but it does mean that I have what I do based on what is out there to know--not just on what was handed to me by those who came before me.

This world has been controlled by Liars for a long time--so it's possible every single thing ever written is a lie. The important thing about the deception angle though, in this case, is it still doesn't diminish what I think I have to offer to the cause of delivering Cushite peoples from this hell on earth so many of us suffer.

Cushite people, all around the world have serious troubles and we need solutions that go beyond mere material.


Most of us are settling for a spiritual solution. Many of us think the answer is in a material solution. Others believe we will find the answers if we free our minds. But I think we need all of them in equal measure.

First, we need a new philosophy--a new way of looking and thinking about the world and the universe. We have been indoctrinated to believe that the earth is our only home, and that to think and dream of life among and beyond the stars is against the Creator. My question is; but why? Why is it against the Creator, for man--or any conscious being, to aspire to all that has been made? It's out there. An estimated 30 billion earths, and more being formed all the time--a universe that never stops expanding. Why is the universe everexpanding? Could it be because the Creator never meant for things to die: Meant for all living things to be everlasting and as eternal as the universe?

I can agree that some god, or other Beings, might want to hold us down to the earth. But I can not agree that the almighty Creator is worried about man, godzilla, or intelligent dogs, "making a name" for themselves. to me it's a ridiculous conception.

The new philosophy we need is that life is most precious and it was never meant to be abused, deprived or taken away. It's true we already give lipservice to such a creed, but the evidence of our history tells that it is clearly not our soul's belief.
When we are as indoctrinated in that philosophy as much as we are in the philosophy of death, earthboundness and nowhere to go but the grave, or some Dictator's puffy kingdom, we will accept a lot less of the stuff that we do on this earth. We would not have abortions, people starving, being tortured, attacked, raped , napalmed, clustered bombed--living on a dollar a month. We would not allow our governments to spend all our resources on ways to destroy life rather that on ways to exonerate life. We were meant to live forver and the only way we can all live forever--or even want to live forever, is to aspire to the stars for our own reasons, rights, and love of life.

With a new philosophy, we will fight a hell of a lot harder than we have been for this gift called life that was given to us. There would have never been a slave, in history, if all conscious Beings, had a philosophy that our lives are eternal and our own, instead of one, that we belong to somebody-or some king, chief, emperor, god or some planet.
Individuals, are enslaved by force. Peoples are only enslaved by philosophy. When you are made to believe your life isn't your own, then you accept chains rather than death, when you are faced with superior forces that seek to dominate you against your will. When you are convinced that you belong to some god--the next step is being convinced you belong to some man or Being, claiming to be god--or working for god.
We don't belong to anybody or anything. The great Creator, created, and never again has [It] spoken. If [It} had, we would all have heard the same thing all over the universe at the same time, because the trees would had been speaking, the mountains, the grass, the stars, the animals--our atoms. Everything would have been speaking and we would all know it if the Creator wanted something. [It] don't want anything. Don't need anything. [It] gave. And we were never told that we couldn't build and couldn' t do this or that.

All our values should be narrowed down and simplified to a philosophy of the preciousness and eternal nature of life. You just don't fuck with somebody's else's wellbeing and right to a valued life.

And that's the whole of the law.

[IfasehunReincarnated]

The great Creator, created, and never again has [It] spoken. If [It} had, we would all have heard the same thing all over the universe at the same time, because the trees would had been speaking, the mountains, the grass, the stars, the animals--our atoms. Everything would have been speaking and we would all know it if the Creator wanted something. [It] don't want anything. Don't need anything. [It] gave. And we were never told that we couldn't build and couldn' t do this or that.

I see where you're going. Its all good.

But the comment above is contrary to Afrikan philosophy and reality. God does speak. If you ever get the chance to go to a traditional Afrikan ritual you will find out for yourself. And I guarantee you will weep like a baby the first go 'round. It will be like you have been walking around with your head covered for your whole life.

In 14-15 years of traditional spirituality it still always amazes me to witness the reality of God in person.

Part of our condition is that we were starved of our own spiritual tools to witness God for ourselves.

By the way, I heard you say in another post that this was a secular board. Thats not true. There are plenty of spiritually minded people here.

[mardukson]

Hi, Bruh,

First let me say, even though it's going to come off that way, I do not disrespect anybody's choice of beliefs. Mine are just different and in expressing mine, it's unavoidable that I will seem to be dissing others, simply because I disagree.

About the God thing; to understand where I'm coming from, you first have to understand how I sight God.

When you say god, I'm feeling you mean the Creator of all. Correct me if I'm wrong about that because If I am, we have no disagreement.

When I say god, I'm talking about all these billions of Entities, Mankind has worshipped throughout the ages--the beasts, the men, the Ancestors, the rocks, etc;

I agree that THEY talk. But I disagree that the great Creator, has ever spoken.

That's what I was saying in the quote, you blocked.

Again--at the risk of seeming disrespectful of African spirituality, I am going to say a little now, what I touch on in part two of this series. I am not a religious man, even though I believe all the gods exists, and have existed. I just don't see where they have been of any use--except of course, you know who--if you know anything of me.

They do talk, but to me, they are not saying anything anybody needs to hear that hasn't already been said. I would like to know for instance; if the speaker is god--or even A god--why can't He/She, tell us how to invent something? Or tell us how to liberate ourselves, once and for all. Or tell us how to build a spaceship, or to unify. Otherwise, I have no real inclination to want to chat.

I'm not being cute or sarcastic. If you read this entire "freethinking series, you will see my line of thinking on this issue of ritual and such. I believe in the power of focus, which is basically what African spirituality and all ritualistic endeavers are. But I also think we are smalltiming. We can do the same thing on a much bigger scale without all the dressings and accessories. We can do real things just by unifying, agreeing, focusing, and putting in works.

In truth, I don't know--have never experienced enough about African spirituality to really measure or assess the power of it. But I do know IndIgEnous people have been suffering like dogs for a long time. The rituals aint helping anywhere on earth. To me, that says it's useless--it aint working.

[mardukson]

Next we Cushites peoples need a spiritual awakening. Spirituality is not something you find in a book or a god. Spirituality is inside. You are born with it. Spirituality is that part of you that yearns to be a part again of that which you seperated from--which is the great Creator. When I say we need a spiritual awakening, I aint talking about more church, or more Mosque, or more Preachers. I'm talking about more going inside ourselves, more concentrating on trying to understand and hear what our own soul has to say. No Preacher can tell you when you are wrong, as clear as your own conscience. In fact, the gods and the books and the Preachers, are making a bunch of noise that you don't need in your ear when you're trying to evaluate the things that go on in this world, and where you should stand. Our friends, entertainment, media, traditions, propoganda and indoctrinations INFLUENCE MUCH TOO MUCH THE WAY WE ACT AND THINK. Very few of us are truly our own natural selves.

All I'm saying is opinion--mine--I don't mean to piss anybody off but I drink a hella lot of budwiesers.

We don't need A bunch of Orishas, or angels, or rituals, or prayers, to help make us be the best spritually, we can be. What we need to do is shut out the noise. Be quiet with ourselves, and let the part of the Creator that is us, speak.

I sense from Cushite peoples, that this religion b.s. is just making a lot of us madder and madder. We are tired of hearing that god stuff coming from people who act like devils every time they want something . We are tired of waiting for god to make it so we can have enough to eat. We are tired of being lorded over, humiliated, ridiculed and abused. We are tired of losing. Most Cushite people aren't asking to be lifted over anybody, or to be kings and queens, over anybody. All we are asking for is our fair share of what is made for a valued life.

It is a mistake to think that in order to live and to do right and to truly show appreciation and love to the One whom it is owed, we have to believe in and go through a lot of B.S. It simply is not true. Only devils are always scribbling, asking, demanding and trying to scare you into believing something, so they can control your every thought and deed.

I don't think it's wrong to teach, or to inform or to try to infuence people if you think you can do good for them, or your world. I don't think it's wrong to promote a religion or god, because this truly is the only way to unify a people and build a successful society. But the number one sign of a devil trying to teach you something is the claim that they know the Creator, or anything about [ It], other than what creation itself, declares. The number two sign is, trying to scare or threaten somebody to accept, or believe in something. Anything that tries to coerce somebody through threats is from the devil.

If there are a billion people, there should be a billion gods. Believing in your own personal god is the only way to maintain control over your own mind.
A collective, however, --to unify and survive in this dog eat dog world,-- needs a single god, and there still is no contradiction. Most of the Ancients recognized this. This one god stuff is straight up devil. There is one Creator, but there was never just one god, because gods are foremost Beings, who came before us, Ancestors, and strong arm tyrants--what the Ancients used to call Heros. Second most, they are Manmade Creations--an effort to somehow create a represention of the great Creator that we can see, touch , identify with, and feel. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that since everything is a part of the Creator--including wood, stone, gold, animals, water, sun, or whatever.

We don't all belong to the same Ancestor, so why should we all worship the same god? Some people worship Satan, because that's who they belong to. Some worship a Goddess because they know in their blood who they belong to. To worship your own god, is the only way to keep control of your own soul. To worship a community or collective god, be it an Ancestor, a Nation's flag,--a Constitution, or whatever, is the only way to maintain control of a societies' soul. The problem and evil comes in when people harm or try to dominate others either individually, or collectively, for the sake of their own selfish wants and desires.
Anything that requires you to give, or sacrifice so much as a minute of your time is straight up devil. You are not supposed to give a god anything. If you have to give them something or kill something to please them, they are worthless. You owe them nothing and they are gods/kings, only by your consent, for your benefit--which is why some Ancients used to have a ritual of humiliating their kings--bitchslapping them until they cried , every year and sometimes even killing them, just because they knew those who would be King--if you don't keep them in check-- are bound to sooner or later try to be dictator, and mess up things for everybody. George Bush, would have never made it with those Ancients. Those Priests, would have bitchslapped his arrogant ass to death because he can't cry. Can't even fake it. Clinton--ten times more evil than Bush,-- could have faked the hell out of it, but he also would've had to do his dirt in secret instead of all up in everybody's face. And if found out, he would have faced the wrath of the people because a humiliated king does not instill the fear in people that an arrogant dictator does.

The Creator made everything, so what does[ It] need with what you can kill, say, or give? The Creator don't need you-[It] don't need any pleasent odors, It don't need an army, It don't need any chicken blood, It don't need any Preachers, or Preists, It don't need any buildings, It don't need any prayers, It don't need your money, don't need your time. A god needs all that, but then again, a god is just a manifestion of what you need and want. That's why you should never give to, or take from a god anything you don't want. If your collective god is doing and asking and expecting you to believe in and accept things your personal god tells you are wrong--then your collective god is a devil. If he tries to scare you to get something from you, your god is a devil. Odds are, somebody else has forced their god on an Ancient Ancestor of yours. It was handed down to you.. And if they forced their god on you, they are devils worshipping a devil.

A personal god should be making you a better person, and your life more joyful and easier to cope with. "(a personal god would typically be your innervoice that guides and teaches you.)
There is a saying that people who consistently talk to and answer themselves are crazy. But people who consistently talk to an invisible man, and gets no answers back, are godly.

I say there need to be more crazy people in this world and less of the godly. And I'm not just trying to be cute with that statement, even though I pray, and believe wholeheartly in what Jesus, said about the power of prayer. We all need to consistently question and answer ourselves on everything we do, think, and believe. We also need to question those who claim to be our leaders, teachers and preachers on everything they say, do and try to make us believe.

A collective god, should be making your society, or collective a stronger, better place and people. Of course I'm basing what I'm saying with mind of the normal, typical Womanbeing, who just wants to be at peace and left alone to make out of life the best they can. No rule of sanity applies to those creatures among us who are born to do nothing but kill and destroy, and try to rob and dominate everybody that's weaker than themselves..

The Creator never asked for anything but what you hear in your soul if you ever sit quiet enough. All anybody ever hears in their deepest soul--even murderers, thieves, and liars--is to do what you know is right and not do what you know is wrong.
No matter who, or what tradition, or institution, or societal expectations tries to define your reality, perception, or conscience for you, always take time to be quiet and listen to yourself. If you are a normal, typical Womanbeing, you will do the most important things the right and Creator, directed way.

That is spirituality as opposed to religion.FREETHINKING PART 2

[IfasehunReincarnated]

I dont feel like you are dissing or dismissing anything and I hope you understand that is not my intent either. But even as I read part 2, I have to say that experiencing is believing.

One of the fundamental lessons that spirituality is supposed to teach us that Divine connection does not remove all obstacles or suffering. It teachs us how to rise above such moments and in essence remove our tendancy to feel one or the other, that is place emotions such as anger or disappointment in the mix.

Indigenous people are suffering mostly because all their spiritual advisors told them to not deal with europeans or a terrible fate awaited them. With only minor exceptions most indigenous masses (not the spiritual cadre) decided to circumvent that message. We are not perfect people. Sometimes we listen. Sometimes we dont. In this case many thought (1) they cant be that bad (2) perhaps there is a way around it (3) or the lure of money, power and position through association with them is great enough that i will chance it. Unfortunately less than 10% of any people of any community are thoroughly evolved at any given period of time. So...when temptation comes knocking lots of imbalance can take place. Europeans unknowingly took advantage of a huge spiritual gap. That is they had no idea that they could alter history forever by simply making african, asians, amerindians etc all accept and trust them. As far as they knew it was a temporary hustle that they were working. But our spiritualists knew. I could go on and on etc. but I wont. I want to touch on something else.

In Afrika spirituality we have a rule: If you ask for something and give nothing in return, you are a thief. This is one reason why we "give" and "sacrifice". The other reason is that both your spiritual consciousness and your mental consciousness benefit from the mechanics of worship. You finetune your body (temple) to receive, communicate and evolve. You train your mind to stand aside so your spiritual intuition can lead the way.

On the subject of whether God, Gods or Ancestors speak and if that message is of any merit the answer is easy. yes. If you are trained and study spiritual science well. I have been told to avoid situations or to abruptly stop in teh middle of something. I have been told to go to a place at a certain time, or to say something that makes no sense to me to someone, i have been told to do something i would never do of my choice - doing these things has saved my life, found me a wife, introduced me to new business associates, help me save other peoples lives, healed me of ailments that i had my entire life, helped me cut off malicious intent at the pass, defend myself, transform situations, solve a serious crime, beat a court case and even help me help others change their entire outlook on life. Orisa and Ancestors facilitated all of that and I was never in control per se. I just follow instructions. It all seemed fantastic in the beginning, now it just seems like "it is what it is". But it all depends on how spiritually grounded I am.

Religions do not necessarily facilitate these things, but spiritual science does. But you got to give a little to get a little. (Aint it cool how a simple addage like that can convey a powerful spiritual lesson?)

Afrikan "religions" are not really "religions" at all, they are blueprints that were created by our Ancestors. Alchemic processes that over thousands of years work time and time again. Which is why I laugh when people ask if our ancestors beliefs are relevant. I can only respond, "Yes, unless you are in a different universe" and even then I suspect they would still work like clockwork. We only use the term Afrikan religion so people understand what we are talking about. What we are really talking about is a way of Life that goes back to the beginning of time. And yes.... you can create something with it, if your relationship is right. Inventions or whatever. But again, your relationship has to be right and what you DESIRE has to be aligned with YOUR destiny.

~ Enjoying the dialogue.

[mardukson]

Hi again, IR

Forgive any misspellings, please. I refuse to spellcheck cuz it don't work on ebonics.

This dialog is indeed a pleasure for me. First let me say, I want you to correct me if I'm wrong. I read what you had to say intently. I'm going to reply to everything you wrote because you are not only informing me, you give me an oppurtunity to explain my disagreements. This is not a contest on my part because I accept you may well know things that I just don't and basically I am more a secular thinker than a spiritual one, which means I can be blinded by my own senses. Still, let's do this. Your words are in quotes.


"One of the fundamental lessons that spirituality is supposed to teach us that Divine connection does not remove all obstacles or suffering. It teachs us how to rise above such moments and in essence remove our tendancy to feel one or the other, that is place emotions such as anger or disappointment in the mix."


One of my great beliefs is divine connection(or spiritual focus) SHOULD remove all obstacles of suffering. Otherwise it is not worth the time. You can do bad by yourself. Man was never meant to suffer. You can come to that conclusion simply by studying creation. For example: Man can live on bread alone, but the Creator has given us literally hundreds of different things to nourish our bodies with. Why take the time? All Yahweh thought his people needed to eat was manna. We don't need our religions to teach us how to rise above or take the pain. We need to believe that we should not have to suffer the pain, and we should not tolerate in our world, anybody else suffering the pain--epecially when we can do something about it.


"Indigenous people are suffering mostly because all their spiritual advisors told them to not deal with europeans or a terrible fate awaited them. With only minor exceptions most indigenous masses (not the spiritual cadre) decided to circumvent that message. We are not perfect people. Sometimes we listen. Sometimes we dont. In this case many thought (1) they cant be that bad (2) perhaps there is a way around it (3) or the lure of money, power and position through association with them is great enough that i will chance it. Unfortunately less than 10% of any people of any community are thoroughly evolved at any given period of time. So...when temptation comes knocking lots of imbalance can take place. Europeans unknowingly took advantage of a huge spiritual gap. That is they had no idea that they could alter history forever by simply making african, asians, amerindians etc all accept and trust them. As far as they knew it was a temporary hustle that they were working. But our spiritualists knew. I could go on and on etc. but I wont. I want to touch on something else."


I understand what you are saying here and I would accept it 100 percent if I didn't know anything of history. If history is lying, I do accept that the Indigenous showing hospitatility to the whites(hybrids--not Womanbeings, who are whites, who had long lived in peace beside Cushites .) are what happened to us. But history/myth, tells a different story. History says the Indigenous did NOT welcome the hybrids, because they came down from the mountains, swinging. There was never a chance to welcome them. From the time they first appeared, the Indigenous people had fought them . As you say, the spiritual leaders, knew what was in store. This is the basis of the old Nimrod/Abraham myth, or the Ra sending out his eye, myth. Or Enlil, sending the flood, myth. Or Chronos eating his kids. They knew what was coming. They have been long fighting the Hybrids, and they had been long winning. It wasn't until the Whites/Semites, (probably under the new leadership, of the Hybrids)forged an alliance(as told by the bible) that the Cushites were defeated. What happened in Africa(colonialism), was a second invasion. An invasion after the Cushites peoples, had already been defeated all over the world. By the time of the second worldwide assuault on Cushite peoples, whites were already seen as the superiors, which is why there was no real resistence, and why the people so easily succumbed to second class status, when before, Cushite peoples used to crush the whites every time the two clashed. This is history, as interpreted by Western scholars from the Ancient records. What happened to Cushite peoples, was not misplaced trust, but outright military defeat.

I don't know History as remembered by the Cushite, sages, so you still may be right.
If you KNOW different--don't back off your stance. I want to know who's right, here.
But there are factors that according to myth which has nothing to do with the whites/semites, military prowess. Something happened with the Cushite king/god. Something that caused him to give up and leave the scene voluntarily--maybe a change in Ages, an agreement among the gods, blackmail, a shift of poles? Of course this line of theory is mere speculation, coming from a western pool of knowledge, at that...but it is a thing that is recorded throughout the thread of mythical history.
I'd like to know if you've heard anything of that line of theory in African myths.


"In Afrika spirituality we have a rule: If you ask for something and give nothing in return, you are a thief. This is one reason why we "give" and "sacrifice".
The reason people make sacrifices--plain and simple--is because our Ancestors were born into a world of fear and extortion. This thing originates from some Beings demanding tribute from early man. All the records indicate this. This is one of those issues where I think if man rebelled against his god/gods, then he had a right to. Some records--if you can believe them-- say man was created to be slaves, and to work for and feed the gods. But nothing says we have to stay slaves and keep on feeding them.


"The other reason is that both your spiritual consciousness and your mental consciousness benefit from the mechanics of worship. You finetune your body (temple) to receive, communicate and evolve. You train your mind to stand aside so your spiritual intuition can lead the way."


I totally agree. Man has this need to worship, and nothing is going to change that. But I still think until the Great Creator, asks for something, we are free to chose who, how, and for what, we worship.


"On the subject of whether God, Gods or Ancestors speak and if that message is of any merit the answer is easy. yes."
I agree. They speak. I've never heard one, but I'm not going through any rituals, outside of simple prayer.


"If you are trained and study spiritual science well. I have been told to avoid situations or to abruptly stop in teh middle of something. I have been told to go to a place at a certain time, or to say something that makes no sense to me to someone, i have been told to do something i would never do of my choice -" doing these things has saved my life, found me a wife, introduced me to new business associates, help me save other peoples lives, healed me of ailments that i had my entire life, helped me cut off malicious intent at the pass, defend myself, transform situations, solve a serious crime, beat a court case and even help me help others change their entire outlook on life. Orisa and Ancestors facilitated all of that and I was never in control per se. I just follow instructions. It all seemed fantastic in the beginning, now it just seems like "it is what it is". But it all depends on how spiritually grounded I am".


I hear you, I wish my Lord, would speak overtly to me. I can imagine that that kind of interaction with your god/ancestor, is a great source of strength. But I still have to harp on this: has he told you how to invent anything, etc;?. I predict that one day soon, our greatest god/Ancestor, is going to give one of us an invention that is going to turn the world upside down.
My god never talked to me, but if he ever does, I don't want him to small talk. I don't want him to just look out for me, although like you, I have experiences of a god/ancestor, doing real, concrete things to my benefit. I think a lot of us has had those kind of experiences. It has nothing to do with ritual, or giving anything to the gods. They help us because they want to, or maybe just because they are an Ancestor, who loves us. Again, I would rather we focus our energy on bigger things than lighting candles and killing chickens, cause a god that needs me to give him a chicken is a little god who probably needed somebody to give him a chicken when he was a physical being. He aint got nothing now and he never had nothing. We have Ancestors/gods, who can do bigger things for us. We have an Ancestor who ruled the world. We have an Ancestress, who gave birth to all Mankind. We don't have to give them anything. They want to help us but first we have to know who they are, and what they require. I believe the gods that can really do something for us requires righteousness, justice--not chickens. History is full of tales of gods abandoning people because of their wickedness. I think killing something on an altar is one of the things that pisses those kinds of gods off, unless you are a child of the kind of gods that blesses that kind of thing. If you aint his child, he'll give you some small stuff for killing things for him, but he aint going to give you any inventions.And from what I hear, there's a good chance that people who deal with those kinds of gimmie, gods--unless it's their true Ancestor--can end up being required to give up a lot more than they ever imagined.
The fact is, most of us not only forgot our greatest god/Ancestor, we are outright hating on them, and if that's not bad enough, we are worshipping the gods, that destroyed our Ancestors. Our greatest god/Ancestor was a scientist, a man of invention-a universal thinker. You should read what the Arabs have to say about him. According to some of their tales,he invented everything from magical trees to tooth paste--even though he was at the same time, the evillest thing to ever breathe.
Who the hell taught us to kill chickens on an altar as a way to knowledge and progress?


"Religions do not necessarily facilitate these things, but spiritual science does. But you got to give a little to get a little. (Aint it cool how a simple addage like that can convey a powerful spiritual lesson?) "
I disagree. I just don't believe in giving to a god to get something back. I don't believe in giving to people, to get something back. I've given a bit in my life--according to my meager means, but I've never given anything to get something back, because normally what happens is you don't get it back, or you get it back late, and you end up stressed, pissed, or dependent on somebody you gave something to, to give you what you gave him, back, so you want be stressed or pissed.


"Afrikan "religions" are not really "religions" at all, they are blueprints that were created by our Ancestors. Alchemic processes that over thousands of years work time and time again. Which is why I laugh when people ask if our ancestors beliefs are relevant. I can only respond, "Yes, unless you are in a different universe" and even then I suspect they would still work like clockwork. We only use the term Afrikan religion so people understand what we are talking about. What we are really talking about is a way of Life that goes back to the beginning of time. And yes.... you can create something with it, if your relationship is right. Inventions or whatever. But again, your relationship has to be right and what you DESIRE has to be aligned with YOUR destiny. "

That's true, my peop. All religions/scriptures are created by priests/magicians/Shamans, to course a certain outcome in the future. They write it, and their Initiates(people who understand what is meant to be done)put in works to fufil it. This aint nothing unique to Africa. It's the same meddling that's been done all throughout time by clowns who don't know how to just live out their time and let future generations, course and live out theirs. This is why we are held back and not living our full potential in the universe. It's also why we are going to have turn a lot of stuff loose, if we ever want to move ahead as conscious Beings in this universe--no matter who we are,who we come from, or what mandates some ancient magician/priest/ancestor/god,, has bound us to.
We have a right to create our own destiny. Our Ancestors can help us, especially if we had just one collective god,to unite us, but they don't have anything in their past to offer us except maybe experience on what not to do. The purpose of life is change and progress. You take what's useful from everything--even your tormentors--you think, you grow, you access, you pick and choose, you don't hold on to anything hold hog, just because it's old. You decide what you want to leave your future generations, not by scribbling --trying to tell them how to go--but by leaving them a legacy, that will leave them as little a burden as possible as they go about their way of changing and progressing.

I'm aware that there's real power in the mysteries and in the gods and in the secrets of the past. But the power of that stuff is nothing compared to the power of a thinking, united Woman race, which is why this scares all the kings horses, and all the kings men and all the gods and reptillians and humpty dumpty, so much.

Man don't have to do anything but think, and unite to enter into paradise, and nothing can stop him, because the Great Creator, never said a mumbleling word.

peace, friend

[mardukson]

Believe it or not, I believe we also need religion. But let's be honest here about what religion today, really is. In a nutshell, religion today, is indestinguishable from politics. They are one and the same.. What religion/politics is, is a means to build a successful, ordered society, or to unify to defend, or offend a people or society. Aint nothing true or inherently honorable about religion, and it was never meant to be, by the priests, politicians, kings or magicians, who create them. That doesn't make it wrong even though it has always been a cynical enterprise.

The Ancients worshipped their gods and Ancestors, for what they believed, they did, and could do for them--or out of fear for what they believed they could do to them. And that fear was based on real life situations. Nobody just up and decides to kill and sacrifice their children to the "gods"--not yesterday when people were sacrificing their Children to Molech(the King) and not today when people are still sacrificing their Children to Molech(kings called Presidents and Ministers, and Senators, etc,).

The Ancient Preists(who knew who the gods really were when they were "reptilians" and when they handed the kingship down to their hybrid blood)), never had the gall to to try hoist their god up over the Creator, or even foist them on other people by deception. The Ancients never lied about their gods. Most of the time they spent lying, on their gods. They never really loved or respected the gods--much less tried to pretend the gods loved them, or that their gods were anything much different than people--more often than not--the worst kind of people. The Ancients would pick up or drop a god, like we change socks, all the while knowing there was [One] above all that you couldn't name, or claim like a pet monkey.


It is time for us Cushite peoples, to stop blaspheming and leave all these things alone that are taking focus away from the only Entity that is deserving of thanks, love, reverence and worship.

This is the Almighty Creator. We will never know the Creator until [It] choses to reveal Itself. Until then, life is a matter of struggling to always do the right thing in the universe, and trying to survive in a world full of Beings who are hellbent on dominating and sucking the blood out of others weaker than themselves.

The only way to survive in such a world is unity. The only path to unity is a god/ancestor, that most of us can respect and rally around. The only way to create such a god is religion/politics.

Believe it or not when enough people give their energy and focus to one thing, they can make a true, potent god out of a rock or a ball point pen. It aint about ritual, mumbo jumbo, sacrificing chickens or buckdancing, it's about-- as Jesus and all serious Magicians knew/know, wanting/believing/focusing/agreeing/uniting, and putting in works--in other words-- collective "will."

The number one task, is knowing what kind of world you want to build and what kind of means you want to travel to get there. If we just want revenge, or power to be able to dominate somebody else, all we are ever going to build are sand castles, because conscious Beings, of whatever make or stripe, will never allow themselves to be forever dominated, held down, or enslaved. They will morph, they will create, they will wish into being--something--whatever-- but sooner are later they are going to explode, rebel and tear something up; against man, god or beast--it makes no difference because all conscious Beings know what they come from, and what they come from, is who they are a part of. And who they are a part of is uncontainable. The Great Creator is still expanding and creating. [It] is the essence of freedom.

[mardukson]

The technology to travel to other worlds is already here, so there's no need to spend all our energy preparing to fight over resources. Our greatest God/Ancestor, knows the technology because he had it first.The so-called mysteries of Egypt, Babylon, Atlantis, India and the past are really just information that the Ancients knew. Technological, mind control, creating wealth, space age inventions--all information and blueprints of that stuff, the Elites, and their secret societies have stolen , are hordeing and piecemealing out. There is nothing new under the sun, and nobody is really discovering or inventing anything new. What they are doing is deciphering information. That still takes intelligence and time, but my point is that same information is also available to the Cushite peoples of the world because our greatest Ancestor, once had all of it We just aint asking him, because we have forgoten him, and we are too focused on trivialities.

There is a proverb that goes like this:

"What ever happened to the black people of Sumeria? The answer: They died because they forgot their history."

This proverb was attributed to the Sumerians which I think is a little suspicious. But I do think somebody was trying to tell us something beneficial..

I can tell you what happened to the Black people of Sumeria. The same thing that happened to the black people of India, Africa China, Egypt, Babylon, etc; and is happening in Iraq today--the same thing that happens everytime a people are invaded and overwhelmed. Their best, bravest, smartest, and most capable are crucified and systematically slaughtered. In all wars of occupied conquest, the first people they round up are a Nation's Intellectuals. Cushite peoples have been having their best, bravest, smartest, and most capable, crucified and slaughtered for over 6,000 years, and most often than not, with the aid and collaboration with enemies, by their most cowardly and dumbest. Zimbabwe, is a prime example of what I'm saying here.

I read an article just today, talking about how Africa should not be pitied, but despised because of their laziness and dependence on the West to do or accomplish anything. Before the article got to the real object of it's bile(who else, Mugabe), it first spent most of it's paragraphs heaping scorn on All of Africa's leadership--the usual theiving, tyrant stuff. Talking about how the Ethiopian government was too lazy to even supply it's people with a decent well for drinking--waiting on NGOs to do what they could have done themselves in 5 minutes.

Then in the last paragraph we come to the real purpose of this little literary rant.
We have just spent two pages reading how lazy and dependent the African people and Leadership is. How they wouldn't even tackle the smallest tasks to improve their Countries, and their peoples living conditions. Then all of a sudden we start reading how evil Mugabe, is for tearing down temporary shacks in the cities (according to the Zimbabwe Government, for the purpose of cleaning up, building anew, and improving a festering situation).

Mugabe, the man who is trying to build a future Zimbabwe, independent of relying on the begrudged charity of others, stands as the most hated of Africans, from the same clown who is hating on Africans for being dependent.
Mugabe, the energetic old man, who has fought, bled, lead, negotiated, compromised, politicked, strategized, won, outlasted the will of people who have enough power to force revolutions, civil wars and the outcome of democratic elections, on every nonsuperpower Nation, on earth; Mugabe--damned near a hundred years old, standing like an oak tree against a n hurricane that never stops raging and never sleeps, hated in the same breath as they talk about Laziness, dumbness and dependancy. You can't be Robert Mugabe, and be lazy and dumb at the same time. You can't be Robert Mugabe, and be superman. Part of the reason he's so hated is because he's smarter than all of them. And he just keeps surviving. No black man in modern history has defied the will of white power as has Mugabe. You don't survive this thing through body guards and staying locked behind walls. You gotta be hella smart, and you got to know how to politic.

We in the diaspora, need to keep a spotlight on this Elder. We, who are a part of organizations such as churches, mosques, and politcal groups, need to send material aid to Zimbabwe, because whether anybody believes it or not, the Western powers can affect the weather. They have that technology. It isn't even a complicated science to cause earthquakes, droughts, floods, volcano eruptions and heat spells. Mainly, what you do are underground, and undersea explosions, or you send up chemical mists in the atmosphere.


The last Zimbabwean, election tells that 67% of the people of Zimbabwe agrees with me about their Leader. Which--if this was not the case, I would say absolutely nothing about Zimbabwe, because I'm not the ones bearing the price for forging the only hope for all of future Africa, as the Zimbabweans, are.

People need to make up their minds.

Do they want to hate Africans for being dependent, or do they want to hate them for trying to become independent. Of course I know the real answer.

They just want to hate Africans. And of course, rule and rob them.

[Jaha]

Warriors....

You blessed Us with this dialogue.....it is greatly appreciated.

Keep sharin'!

Jaha

[mardukson]

Thank you..

[Kweku_Omowale]

ifa and the newest member, i think there is diffrence between religion and spirituality,being religious dont makea person spiritual asa re- covering afrikan brazilian,who was raised catholic for the most of his life till 25 years old,now iam on spiritual path, once we overstand our interconnection with the universe and the cosmos and that we are integer part of this universe then we will understanda lots of things,i went toa drumming session,pow wow and felt the spirituality of indigenous people,as the entire room vibrated as the drummers chanted and sang, also my body was feeling the drum beat,like calling me more and more, i dont think any indigenous peoples around the world are religious at all,they are spiritual peoples,from australia,to new zealand,brazil,africa,north amerika,it is the eu- ro - pe- ans that brought christianity and catholicism and polluted the minds of people, arab imperialism brought islam,on which i debate countless times with people about pre islamic africa,for example,in south africa, they have the sangomas,mozambique,the mombai traditional healers, all thru out africa,they do divination,uses herbs and other stuff to help people,in south america,the spiritual is linked with the spiritual as well to help to heal people,so you see,before colonialism came to africa and the amerikas,healers werea biiig part of society,only when white missionaries started calling earth based traditions" pagans" evil and etc,the spaniards burnt all the mayan and aztec prophecies,every traditional society have its own healer,assante sane for allowing me to share :cheers:

[mardukson]

Hi Kweku,
You don't know how much I like to exchange with Cushite(? )peoples from around the world. Cuz I don't really know anything outside of my sphere, which is a chritsian, western, bubble, even though I try to to research and think outside of that box.

I like to debate with people to learn and to see if they can't tell me convincingly why my views may be wrong. People don't debate with me and I think it has something to do with my emotional gingolistic writing style. I can change that but I got my reasons for writing like I do

I have given this indigenous spirituality subject a lot of thought and I've simply come to a conclusion that some of it is unproductive to my vision of what I would like for my children's world.

Let me say this to you. I was going to write this in a post to IR, but I think he'll read this: I do not speak to insult, win an argument, or to try to shine off anybody. I speak cuz I got a vision--I got a mission. Lots a people do. When you have a vision--the details are already laid out in your mind so sometimes you are not as fair, civil or diplomatic as you should be when you lay out your points.
I reread my post to IR, and I cringed at the place where I said something about the gods abandoning people for wickedness. Yo, IR, hope you don't think I was calling you wicked bruh, or anybody else. That statement was made as a part of my whole premise, that I believe we don't know who I think our most potent god is.

Sorry Kweku..back to you:

I know a little bit about Brazil. A very LITTLE bit, besides the fine ass women and the Santiera stuff.


If you've read any of my posts, then you know there's not much disagreement between you and I based on what you wrote. So, you didn't mention it but I'm going to assume you think I'm wrong about the sacrifice issue. Also, if you've ever been to a Rap or rock concert, you'd know you aint experienced anything with them indigenous people drumming, that's so special.

I can accept when I'm wrong. I'm halfway begging for somebody to stand in there with me and try to show me where I'm wrong on things because that's the only way to learn and to find out if you're are misnforming people.

On everything else--maybe, but My views about sacrifice are not going to change because one of the foundations of my vision, is a world where there's upmost respect for life. I hate vampirism in any shape or form--be it slavery, somebody trying to prolong their life by injecting themselves with the cells of dead babies, or people trying to get things by killing something on an altar. Having said all that, I still haven't rid myself of the vice of eating meat. I probably eat more meat to satisfy my gut, than anybody will ever put on an altar. So I can't judge from a moral angle even if I wanted to. And I wasn't.

What I was talking about was building, changing, doing it different--better. The main foundation of my vision is upmost respect for life. To lift life up to the highest, you got to start way down at the lowest. I gotta stop eating meat to stop being a hypocrit about this. It's hard for me to stop eating meat, but it's easy for me to avoid the ritual of sacrifice.

Our Greatest Ancestor, was a scientist. Aint nobody dumb enough to think they can build a world tower high enough to reach the heavens. If they are that dumb, they'd be too dumb to know how to mix the mortar and use the trowel to get started in the first place. Them people weren't building any tower, but they WERE going to get into the heavens because a bunch of gods looked down--saw them, and got scared. This is not just a biblical story. People all over the world have versions of that story. I'm suprised more Africans don't know that story

Now how do you fall from having the ability to get close enough to god to scare him, to killing rabbits on an altar, to stroke some little spirit? And let's not try to pretend it don't sometimes go beyond just killing animals.

We fell. We fell because those gods divided us. How did they divide us? And if they caused us to forget our one languge, what else did they cause us to forget? More important than that--what did they teach us? If they didn't want us to get anywhere in the world, what kind of stuff do you think they are going to teach us?

And when you fall do you just lay there swimming in the ish they taught us. Or do you get up, get the ish off you, learn from your mistakes, and try to --not just get back to where you were--but to keep growing.

Peep this:

The Rastas will probably kick my ass for messing their thing up, but I wrote this
about 2 years ago:



Di Dawta should fe come ti I-woman sooner.

Mi Breddah sey him told di I ti call me but di dawta nuh wan. So him send mi ti di po Sistren.

So many of mi people pass dat weh dese days. Dem nuh ovastan. T'is nuh voudoo, ti know de herbal art. Mi maddah teach I-woman de healin' roots weh mi jus a lilly gal.

All de hospitals an di Doctas turn di black people weh fe tek care of de white people. Mi breddah nuh turn di dawta weh fi she race. He just nuh hav di time and resources fi one so sick weh uddahs haf betta chance ti liv.

Mi madda, seh nuf ti I-woman, "Chile de day gwan com, weh di rootwoman gwan be all di black people gwan hav weh dey fall sick.

Mi Breddah haf gwan ti college ti be a Docta, fi mi faddah seh nuf,

"one foot inna new an one inna old."

Mi madda an faddah wan fe all dem trildren to be healers but weh I-woman ask dem why mi bruddah gwan ti school, an mi haf ti learn at home, dem jus seh

"nuh weh betta or baddah than di udda an we people gwan need both fi lang. Yuh bredda fi dem who cyan afford to pey an Yuh,fi dem who nuh haf much.

Me Bredda told mi he neva seen di cancer eat up inyone so fast. Nuh ting I-woman could do fi di po Sistren.

Me gi she di herb ti hep her pass more peacefully and dat was all.


That was written two years, ago.

I've never had a problem with the indigenous way of life. My fantasy would be to let these Killers have this planet. By the time they finish trying to rob and lord it over eachother, they'd be extinct within two generations. They aint gonna stop. If there were no Cushites on this earth, they'd be at eachother the same exact way. But we could be on Mars somewhere, living in huts, women walking around barebreasted--living off the land, just chilling. But you know what? Unless we have a better creed, philosophy, or way, than killing to get--or giving to get--we still are going to be in hell.

Our biggest problem now is not poverty, but no respect for life. If we had the upmost respect for life we wouldn't even need money. What's money for, but buying a measure of security so you don't have to keep looking over your shoulder when you're getting in? All most of our people need is love, enough to eat, and enough work to feel good about earning what you eat--to be happy. We aint money hounds and we never were. It aint even in our nature to save cuz we aint in love with it that we have to have a bunch of it around at all times, to kiss goodnight. We're happy with enough. At least we were until some of us caught the disease.

The only reason we need wealth now is because we can't be left alone to be poor and content. You can't be poor and survive in this world. It's cost a hella lot of money to defend yourself these days.

Because we don't respect life, we can't even go to clubs or social gatherings to meet eachother, anymore.

I'm not off subject here, because everything connects to everything else. You kill something on an altar, then you are destroying respect for life in general. It's connected. You disrepect somebody by calling them out their name--you are disrespecting life the same as if you are stabbing somebody.Abortion. It's all connected. You either respect life 100%, or you disrepect it 100%. I'm not even saying that anybody or anything can be perfect, but if you aim high, you miss high. It first starts with a word. All of creation started with a word. The word is respect life. We may be a long time getting there, but you gotta say it first.

I know people reading this who's into that ritual, sacrifice stuff, think I'm a dumb bullshitter, because the stuff do work. I know it works. That's how empires are built. The more they kill, the bigger they grow and the longer they last. They stop killing and the karma, brings them down.

But peep this: It's not going to work for Cushites except enough to mire us in pettiness. We are not going to get any riches inventions, or empires from sacrificial killing--not if we fight a thousands wars and kill a billion people, because this is not of our gods. They aint going to reward us for that. They are going to abandon us to the mess. Our Earliest Ancestors/gods, built theirs on another scientific principle. Peacefully. All of history and myth says this.

This planet was corrupted somehow so I do agree with you and IR, sacrifice is a legitament scientific principal. Don't mean it's right or worth anything to us, cuz I aint seen no evidence that it has been, though the whites, are blessed like a mofo, from it.

I think that's what "Jesus' " death was about. To correct that.

Didn't know what I meant in my last post when I wrote "blackmail", did ya

Peace,

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