Iwa-Pele: gentle character

[BlackQueen]

Should there be any ethics in revolution? No,because the enemy has no ethics when it comes to our destruction!

[Daisho]

To Be Ethical, of Merit or Virtue Does Not Deny One The Right To Be Ruthless Where Wisdom Is Concerned.

To Attempt To Achieve A Victory By Any And All Methods Denotes One Is Doing Action Merely Emotionally Or Convicted And Animated By Ones Pride. To Resort To Any Means To Gain A Step Also Suggests One Will Do Anything To Keep Up Appearances To Suggest They've Made No Mis-steps, To Deny Mistakes Is To Bury Your Comrades Humanity In The Sands Of Mythology...What Are You Willing To Do To Silence Them And Keep Up Appearances? How Can You Claim Right Over An Oppressor If You've Ultimately Become As Untrustworthy?

If Careful Planning And Strategy Are In Sync With Tongue And Tactic Desperation And Depravity Are Of No Concern. The Tools To Executing Properly Consist Of Acute Assessment And Alternative Routing Of Resources If Need Be.


Those Who Will Do Anything Have Nothing To Do With This.

[Aphrican]

Ethics --latin or greek, meaning moral philosophy, customs, habits or philosophical outlook. morality is the practice of ethics or right action

subjective in nature ethics can be indicative what an individual deems right. hence non objective.

stealing is wrong: a man will steal before he starve, is he wrong for saving his life? ethical question of right or wrong or greater good.

i would steal.


your brother is dying slowly from a gunshot wound, he ask: "my brother take me out for the greater good".

is murder wrong in this specifci senario?

would you kiss your brother on the forehead and place the muzzle of your .45 where the spit stain is and pull the trigger?

do you deny your brother a dying wish? ethical philosophy?

what are your values? or whose values have been instilled in you, do carry your enemys values which prevent you from right defensive action?

ethics are not limited to acts and defined moral codes. it also encompasses the whole moral ideals and behaviors; a persons philosopy of life which could vary from person to person.

i no have compuction nor respect of values, i will steal or i will kill.

most moral or ethical behaviours are taken from the writings of socrates, aristotle, hedonism, epictetus, most traditional religious enspouse a self negating behaviour.

in considering ethics, one considers morality or immorality.... is armed struggle or war moral or immoral, ethical or non-ethical, and consequently the rights of man. rights are value judgements arranged by men.

there can be no ethics in a revolution! only right action that promotes the common good, be it lies, cheating, stealing, or murder.

i think the question is moot. i can not value what is unnecessary.

[Daisho]

When Dealing In Terms of the Interdependentness of all things in existance.

To Recap: If Careful Planning And Strategy Are In Sync With Tongue And Tactic Desperation And Depravity Are Of No Concern. The Tools To Executing Properly Consist Of Acute Assessment And Alternative Routing Of Resources If Need Be.

If I were to approach ethics from a western eye I would see the underestimation and faulty logic of my statement.

I'm not speaking in terms of individual ambition but collective motion as my principles and yes I'm willing to state I have a code of honor and ethics not rigid morals but ideas on principles and virtues. Virtue is greater than morality morality is what arises after Virtue is lost. I see the duality in all situations.

Those of low character cannot be respected in battle, in gaining resources, prospects nor land.

I subscribe to the notion of putting ones brother down if he is dying a humiliating death I advocate the practice as also well outlined in the Bushido Code...I am not coming from a religious base here rather a warriors ethic.

If a man has enough to share I'd be diplomatic in first asking if suffering ensues because I am refused the right to make my own meal or fetch my own water than we have a problem.

I'd also note that I wouldn't move without an outline or objective and perhaps make connections with those who have resources to which I can turn to and leave no one starving.

I am not above spying to gain fore knowledge of my enemies plans these are terms on a field of engagement one should expect.

I don't look through an eye of seperate windows like good and evil rather I see them as apart of a greater whole which reflects my approach to action and plan, humane determination and life and death.

So before we adopt dictionary terms lets deal in the statements I've posted and even more so investigate why you have no limit as to what you will do and how do you conclude the statements I've made to be non objective when they directly reflect a goal?

Set out to do more than personally survive have qualified strategies have those in your command demand some principle ethics or what have you or else it's just a rouge operation of snatch and hide like wild dogs.

[Aphrican]

to achieve victory by any means necessary would indicate a lack of emotions.

pride is a tool by which individual (wo)man compensates for a preceived lack or deficiency.

keeping apearance denotes the perceptions of an onlooker. pride is related.

by any means necessary, consequentially means no concern for the opinions of others.

to consider as part of strategy the enemy is emotionalism, war is devoid of emotion, the utter destruct of ones enemy is
based on pragmatic doctine of clear and present danger.

desparation is an emotional discharge of thought energy. depravity is a base assumption.

i can not repsect my enemy whether low or high character because their mission is my destruction, my mission is to create the circumstances that will allow the enemy to falter giving me the upper hand in battle. to consider ethics or the ethical treat of the man who wishes to bury you is deprived indifference to my own life, an individual of such is not worthy to command men.

code of honor: a preconceived notion of self baseless, irrelevent and mediocre... there is no honor in death.

the code of the bushido: book of the five rings is a non discript example of buddist reincarnation, ethics on the batlefield in order to return to this world a more honorable life than the one left... irrelevant philosophy.

[Daisho]

O.k., you don't respect the codes I respect...fair enough.

Strategy requirements and assessment any?

Tactics and approach...with what regards if there's no need to honor?

So again what holds ranks together direct orders where there are no respects for rank and order?

For one to execute a plan properly one has to honor it in order for it to be effective yes or no?

For rank to be aligned an anything goes policy generates what exactly?

What distinguishes the action of men from dogs once again?

If there's no limit to what you would do, how are you accountable to make proper sacrifice...or would you be able to?


Without honor in action there's no need for a Martial Way.

Who wouldn't you sell out to make the gains you desire if you're willing to do anything?

[Daisho]

And as a side note let us not confuse Honor with ones own reputation...

Honor simply means Recognizing your Obligations, then having the Courage to do what is Right.

[Aphrican]

the code of the warrior is death and criminal acts.
strategy is self preservation in conflict be fight or flight.

seppuku or suicide as an act of honor... the emotional connection to the disposition of another.

discipline and common ideology holds a rank together: a dishonorable man can defend against a common enemy:

reflect indian wars: a sheriff and a criminal band together to fight an indian attack.

out come more important than proper plan execution as proper execution does not entail victory.

reflect black panther program of "right to bear arms" they had the right to bear arms and executed that right properly. the out come reflects their total annihilation.

what was the effect of their honor and proper execution of constituional right. arrogance of power?


bless be their souls every one fallen and still upright.

dogs are more brave, callous, they do not pity their opponent or themselves. man is blinded by his apparent death on the battle field making him effective and superfluous ie. codes and honor

as i type i watch the two grizzlies battle for right to mate with a female: there was no code of warfare on the battlefield. the strange part was that one bear evacuated his bowel while in the heat of battle. there was no pretense of honor only the relentless battle.

man would evacuate out of fear! enduring embarrassment and dishonor among his fellow warriors, emotionally he is defeated and has no sense of redemption.

martial way is asociated with enlightenment, warfare is a way or path towards self enlightenment where rules of engagment are not so much to the death but as an exercise in the futiulity of war itself, in other words the battle and not the outcome is sacrosnact.

i would sell all for the selfish pleasure of securing my aims. in warfare, my goal is to make the enemy sacrife so i would not have to.

[Daisho]

So now we're dealing in degrees of what people honor. For their to be any respect of discipline there has to be a concept of ethics no matter how dishonorable the man. Even in Organized Crime there are rules of engagement atleast effective organized crime groups. I see you subscribe to the notion all that matters is winning, surviving. So I will avoid discussing To Die Well to avoid seeming fatalistic. So victorious living is simply staying alive if one will sell anyone out to achieve their means are they worthy of trust by their comrades? Noble and extreme sacrifices mean what to you? eat, piss, shit and pleasure? I don't conduct myself as I do wishing for some mystery place in the heavens to lavish a kingdom on me however I do believe in superior conduct as it strengthens the back bone of future generations.

When you speak of the Indian wars the supposed criminal and sherriff are both criminals as they are supporters of manifest destiny they choose different paths in their individual lives however they're stealing.

As far as the Panthers are concerned they were valiant, a proto-type and therefore a model for future generations to study in regards to successes and failures. So it was a purposeful existance and not for that reason exclusively but for mutually carrying the banner of an on going battle that goes back generations.

I'm not knocking your mode by no means I'm just attempting to understand how one can be without principle and ethic and suspect to hold court with sincere comrades a band of thieves is simply a band of thieves. A gang is no matter how well armed is not a military force. Do we fight just to take and take over? What would make us any different than those we are in conflict with? You pose some interesting vantages Aphrican.

[Aphrican]

in essence, code of the warrior and war are organized methods of conquest.. an intellectual separation from human nature.

ronin would be close to my association or rather a mercenary. there is no difference in the common thief or the politician enspousing christian values. if you gain off the misery of another be they miscreant or politician one is guilty. brevity does make one man honorable and the other not.

yes we fight out of insecurity, that is to secure what we have not, to take from another or to take back.

we are no different than any enemy, we demonize the enemy in order to assuage ourselves, to mitigate the fact we are the same. if we were not the same there could not be rules of engagement.

it is the ronin or the merc who is different, who realises superiority because there are no boundaries to stultify their existance, he is both comrade and foe, it is the freedom to choose that is superior--a superior animal is he!

[Daisho]

O.k., Now we've established a relative base of your character.

The Mercenary or the Ronin.

The Mercenary Is No Different Than The Merchant Or Worse The Prostitute.

To Be A Ronin Is Not Much Of A Better Lot But Many Became Ronin At No Fault Or Desire Of Their Own, So I Some What Sympathize With Them. What A Cold Ambition Or Perhaps It's A Matter Of Romanticism. Either Way Being Either Of These Things Is A Singular Thread Sold To The Highest Bidder.

Which Means You'd Perform For Pay And Are Not Driven By Anyother Motive But Personal Gain.


Thank You,

Aphrican.

[Aphrican]

yes my character reflects the most recent reality: war is business, by and large the most stable of all business models.

financiers fund both sides of the war effort, even current governments pay soldiers in real wages.

yes, prostituion at any rate we are all guilty, that is if you take dollars for some service rendered.

merchant, yes, selling the value of death, a service rendered.

yes, ronin had choices though, at the lost of their master or capture the option of seppuku, signing with another master or suffer shame or be it mercenary work for a shogunate.


how be it different to have a master or be ones own master?

what profit you with honor, to take a life for mere medals of honor, small insignificant peices of earth pounded and painted brilliantly emblematic of a kill rate.

medals do not feed a soldier, a heros welcome maybe, nor does honor bring physical satiety or does the ego, that psychological part of man get its fill from killing for the sake of honor?

is your honor a psychological need fueled by killing, bloodshed, blinded by a code of ethics, killing according to manual doctrine.--romanticism, yes?

[Daisho]

I'd never consider myself a doctrine follower as that would suggest one is indoctrinated into an institution. Institution is the attempt to place rigid molding around ideas intended to expend and evolve. So I don't romanticize rather absorb what is useful.

What's more necessary life or glory? What is of greater value life or wealth? What hurts more: gain — or loss?

If you accumulate much, you will lose much.

So what is it that draws you to a forum like this? Is it to share your gospel of gain and profit over grassroots movement?


Do you see no difference between serving others at will and slavery? Actually it seems most wise to allow this ebb and flow to cease as its obvious we will not see eye to eye but I do thank you for revealing what you have. It's a mode of ideas worth studying considering the ends of the spectrum we stand on.

[Aphrican]

thank you Daisho

you are a worthy opponent(debating modes of operation).

yes, we are at seperate ends of the spectrum, consequently every one on this forum shares a gospel, i for one is no different. be that the gospel of bushido, ronin, armed struggle, descretionary warfare we all have an idea that is useful in the struggle.

like a chess game each peice has a specific movement probability. a pawn can put as much pressure as a rook or knight.

in reality, war consist of diverse players, ground troops, snipers, assasins, merc, covert, overt operatives. wheather it is the code of bushido or the rogue ronin we each have a role created by our experiences.

i come to this forum because like you, i assume, seeking out questions, answers and militant like minded individuals to bounce ideas and gain another perspective.

even the samurai worked for wealthy shogun and had fuedal lords who also had great wealth.

wealth is quite necessary in any struggle, yes?

nothing is more necessary than life itself, nothing is of greater value than life lived free, both gain and loss hurts, because someones loss is someone elses gain and it only reciprocates.

thanks for the discourse as you posed the question:

"What Are You Willing To Do To Silence Them And Keep Up Appearances? How Can You Claim Right Over An Oppressor If You've Ultimately Become As Untrustworthy?"

i only responded in peace.