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Toldeo Municipal Authorities and the Nazi agenda

Toldeo Municipal Authorities and the Nazi agenda

The operant legal standard, indeed Constitutional standard, for situations such as this weekend's forced/contrived confrontation in Toledo, Ohio used to be guided by the dictum that there is no protected right to "shout fire in a crowded theater" however in practice that test has been shunted aside unless there is a clear association between the speech and the intent to create a fire so to speak. Since 1969 the test has been the "imminent lawless action" condition derived from the US Supreme Courts decision in Brandenburg v. Ohio, 1969.


In Brandenburg v Ohio, the test for such offenses is worded as such:

"Freedoms of speech and press do not permit a State to forbid advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action."

BRANDENBURG v. OHIO.
APPEAL FROM THE SUPREME COURT OF OHIO.
No. 492.
Argued February 27, 1969.
Decided June 9, 1969.

Note carefully the clause "except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action."

Obviously that begs the question, does the inflammatory, incendiary racist advocacy of the Nazi party and their specific history of racist violence, the country's general history of racist violence, plus the, and here it is a big PLUS, escalating racist climate emanating from the actions of the highest authorities of this country to the tiniest cliques of white racists and individual racists, does this not demonstrate a clear and deliberate intent on the part of the Nazis and their supporters in Toledo to incite and produce imminent lawless action? It is like throwing a lighted match in an amidst gun powder and then trying to assert that you had no intention of creating an explosion. Common sense is repelled by such an interpretation. It is evident on its face, as the legal community says res ipsa loquitur, that the intent was to create an environment which would lead to violence and conflict. The white supremacist splinter groups have been in a jubilant mood since they witnessed the actions in New Orleans, all one has to do is read their web sites and you will see them praising the tactic of drowning our people as a method of getting rid of Africans in this country. So it is clear what their intent was and everyone knew it, which is precisely why the people of that area in Toledo rebelled against the municipal authorities, because they saw through the duplicity and jargon the authorities tried to use to disguise the fact that they were indeed in league with the Nazi and in synch with the overall racist agenda. This is what the authority of Toledo have facilitated over the weekend. The people are never stupid; they may be beaten, cowed and intimidated into submission, they may be ignorant, but they are never stupid, even if individuals are stupid. And this is precisely why they were not fooled by the municipal authorities.

They know that the authority always are able to find a code or statue to inhibit our actions when they wish to, loitering, resisting arrest, disturbing the peace, hate speech and so forth. They know that the authorities, even in a situation where there is no permit required for an action, as was apparently the "legal" situation in the Nazi - Toledo case, regularly dictate the use of the public streets, preventing people from standing on corners, congregating in certain areas, and even in some cases using armed force against African citizens standing in front of their own homes...is it anyt wonder that the people rebelled? How much insult and injury are we supposed to take? Well, as far as the racists are concerned we are supposed to take all they dish out and more, if that was humanly possible.

Our people have said that they will not accept this role.
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When will we stop destroying our own areas? They already look like Beirut 1980.
When we stop responding in predictable ways, we'll have effective un-predictable methods.

The gov't's agenda is to promote ethnic strife in an attempt to start violence as a pretense to Martial Law and the forceful detainment of Africans in Concentration camps.

Once again, we give them what they're looking for play-by-play in the name of "rebellion" and "protest" in the name of rights.

Why are we so easy to manipulate and exploit like this is something brand-new?
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While I understand the point you are attempting to make, the people must resist racists and racism that is precisely what the people in Toledo did. And they were correct; you must understand the history of racist organizations, in league with the official law enforcement and judiciary, and governments, terrorizing our people. I would strongly recommend that you read about the Deacons for Defense and Justice, the Monroe North Carolina NAACP under Robert Williams, the LCFO and SNCC action of armed self defense to fully understand what motivated the people in this instance. If you do not understand the violence that groups such as these in collusion with the official organs have perpetrated against the people, and will continue to perpetrate unless they are stopped, then you are in no position to render an informed opinion about the actions of the people in Toledo. You must understand that lynchings and police killings of Africans have increased in this county not decreased...this has to be stopped by use of force. There is no alternative.

No, the impulse to fight is not the problem, the problem is that the people are not properly organized, as for example they were in the instances of the Deacons, SNCC, LCFO and the Monroe NAACP chapter.
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By the way on the issue of concentration camps, in case you have not noticed they are already putting our people in concentration camps. The US has the highest population of people in prison, most Africans; if you look at the treatment of the Africans who were not able to escape New Orleans are now in the hands of FEMA -- which is part of the Homeland Security structure by way, and note that this significant number of Africans have been placed under armed guard in the areas / camps and so forth that they have been bused to. Please remember that it is FEMA's stated role to transport us to these camps as has been institutionalized in the FEMA plans. So it is not the resistance of the Africans that lead to internment, the authorities in fact do not need a pretext other than the kind of things they make up for the mass consumption as news. I would have thought that would be obvious to anyone who is staying current with events. All you got to do is look at the way they villified the Africans in New Orleans as justification of the aggression against our people in that city. And now the whole area is under de-facto and essentially de jure martial law.

I insert the following for your consideration:


September 17 / 18, 2005
Mass Media and New Orleans
From Victims to Vandals

By JAMES PETRAS

Briefly, but dramatically, the political failures that turned New
Orleans and many other Gulf cities and towns into a human
catastrophe, shattered the bonds of conformity between the mass media
and the government. Critical reporters described the failure of the
government's Homeland Security to evacuate vulnerable poor people and
the absence of basic food and water for the victims. The media
contrasted Bush partying with Republican cronies in California, Vice
President Chaney on the golfing green, Secretary of State Rice
shopping in Manhattan and Homeland Security boss Chertoff claiming
that disaster relief was in excellent shape with the cries of
desperation and destitution of tens of thousands of poverty-stricken
and hungry African Americans and poor whites barely surviving in a
dark, filthy convention center and sports arena.

By Day Four of the disaster, the critical impassioned voices were
replaced by measured voices of official compassion. Photo
opportunities of Bush abounded; the National Guardmen were arriving
and the Government was responding. The "news" was about the heroic
aid workers with photogenic white guards and nurses cradling black
infants, bringing relief to the "refugees" and ending the growing
lawlessness, violence and "looting" among the survivors. Interviews
with top military officials focused on the threats to the soldiers
from violent elements among the "refugees". Visual images of armored
troop carriers, heavily armed Special Forces against a backdrop of
angry desolate people, resonated with the war propaganda from Iraq.
What was an exercise in humanitarian aid was converted into a
counter-insurgency operation. By the end of the sixth day the mass
media converted the national government's political failures to
protect citizens into a successful military occupation. The
Militarization of New Orleans

Nothing captures the "revised line" of the media better than the
prominent place given to the government's order to "Shoot to kill
looters". Not a whimper of protest, not a critical voice: The media
converted the destitute city into a war zone: New Orleans became
Fallujah. The media dredged up every rumor, hearsay, un-substantiated
third hand report of child rape and murder to provide a "context" for
the "new reality" ­ the militarization of a devastated American city.
The media are well prepared for that scenario: Embedded journalist
featured soldiers handing out concentrated military field rations
(totally useless for small children and dehydrated elderly) while the
beating of blacks carrying groceries (blacks 'loot' food; whites
'find' food) was omitted. Over a hundred thousand people without
homes, jobs and savings, water, food and sanitation, were first and
foremost subject to military occupation to protect the banks,
boutiques and jewelry stores from "looters". Sixteen thousand troops
and Special Forces backed by armored carriers and helicopters have
taken over the city.

There were no announcements or plans for civil reconstruction ­ jobs
for those without jobs and plans to re-house the tens of thousands of
families left homeless. Instead the media repeatedly played on white
paranoia: black rapists terrorizing neighborhoods, shelters, anywhere
they could flag a rumor It is surprising that 'cannibalism wasn't
included in the medias list of 'outrages' committed by the
"Africanized" destitute. There was hardly any mention of the
"looters" who braved the swirling floods and military snipers to
bring bottled water to the elderly, dry cereal to children and cans
of sardines to the hungry. Ninety-nine point percent of the poor
blacks were destitute but the media focused on the 1% of criminals.
"Zero tolerance" declared Governor Blanco of Louisiana to titillate
the President and to prime the automatic rifles of the Special
Forces. The black mayor of New Orleans, caught between the majority
of blacks confined to filth, living amidst the decaying dead and the
sewage of the living and the militarization of the city, appealed to
the outside world.

The daily rape of a city, of an entire population of the most
vulnerable, is condoned. While the media pursue a witness to the
rumored rape of a 14-year-old several days earlier they ignore
reports of mass death, fecal contaminated waters and listless,
dehydrated babies. The mass state propaganda machine focuses on the
President signing an aid bill and promising Law and Order.

Criminalizing the Victims

Given the government's total abandonment of tens of thousands of
poor, starving and homeless blacks, it was obvious that many people
would scavenge for food and water. By deliberately linking the
survivors with "looters" and "rapists", public officials set the
stage for the subsequent militarization and de-facto martial law ­
fertile terrain for the killing fields. The first reports that
filtered out from (unembedded) eyewitness reports mentioned groups of
Guardsmen beating the self-help survivors. Military reports cited the
killing of several 'snipers'.

No doubt the Government's first pre-occupation is to saturate the
city with the military to prevent the survivors from organizing for
justice and to channel all communications about the state of the city
through officially approved sources. Even more significantly the
military defines the nature of the situation as a problem of
criminality and the repressive "solution" through maximum control and
minimum aid.

The Magical Powers of the Mass Media

On the seventh day after the human catastrophe, the mass media were
flooded with the faces, voices and compassionate rhetoric of all the
major and minor spokespeople of the Bush Administration. Every major
television network, every featured program presented Bush, Rumsfeld,
Rice, Chertoff and various Generals speaking in mutual admiration of
the Herculean efforts, of the courageous and generous Guardsmen, aid
workers etc.

The mass media commentators and interviewers wholeheartedly
co-operated in decriminalizing the state. The officials guilty of
crimes against the humanity of poor and destitute citizens were
transformed into humanitarian saviors. Not a single word of
self-criticism from the officials and none suggested by the media
moderators. The few dissident critical voices of the first few days
were chastened and disappeared from the television screen. The US
media was the only place in the world in which the guilty officials
were exonerated.

Media-State mass propaganda had its impact: Public opinion polls
indicated that more (70%) of the public were hostile of the
President's petroleum policy and high gas prices than of the gross
political neglect which caused the death of thousands of their,
mostly black, compatriots (66%).

By publicizing the President's belated and inadequate aid and
amplifying the extent of criminality among the destitute, the mass
media has racially polarized the catastrophe between generous
compassionate white humanitarians and ungrateful, hostile black
"refugees" ­ a term stripping the victims of their citizenship and
rights.

Washington's "Shoot to Kill" order applied to water bottle snatchers
and the real or imagined snipers. Negative labeling of the victims by
the media heightens the public's distrust of the testimonials of
dehydrated children and frail grandmothers. Criminalization,
demonization and militarization is what Washington does best.
Repeating official propaganda and censoring dissident interviews is
what the US mass media does best. Not a single mass media outlet, not
a single one of the major television outlets mentioned the highly
critical reports of the most prestigious overseas media. Reports from
Le Monde, the Guardian, El Pais, Der Spiegel, La Jornada were never
mentioned.

Photo propaganda and captions in big print are especially effective
in our boobocracy and it is what our mass media does best.
Photographs of Bush hugging a cleaned-up, photogenic 'survivor',
excluded the bodies floating in the debris. Ubiquitous photos
appeared of Bush signing the aid billseven days after the fact, but
not photos of Bush at a Republican fund raiser on Day One of the
hurricane. No photos of Vice President Chaney golfing on Day Three,
while cadavers floated down Main Street in Biloxi, Mississippi. No
photos of the President and CEO of the Red Cross depositing her over
$640,000 salary, while 40,000 people lacked clean water in "refugee
sites". No photos of Secretary Rice at a Broadway comedy on Day Four
while the bodies of old black ladies decomposed near their outraged
and destitute relatives and neighbors.

Conclusion

The mass media made an abrupt turn, adapting and shaping the images
of the Administration's catastrophe. In seven days the magic of the
media transformed the Bush team from incompetent and ignorant leaders
to decisive and caring officials. At the same time the desperate,
dying and furious were converted into an unruly, crime-ridden,
ungrateful and chaotic mob. The political message was clear:
Repression and militarization were priority conditions for survival
and humanitarian aid. The city had to be under de facto martial law
before it could be saved. Viet Nam and Falluja come to mind. After
all, counter-insurgency is what we do best.

According to the President, his Cabinet members and the media:
"America is rising to the occasion." We won't forget the 10,000's of
dead and injured, we'll even lower the flag for a few days ­ that is
if the Congressional Black Caucus raises the issue. As the President
would say, "Let's move on. We've got a war to win in Iraq."

In the other America, the victims, their friends, their brothers and
sisters are not deceived. Certainly the Europeans, Africans, Asians
and Latin Americans have images etched in their collective memory: of
frantic, desperate New Orleans poor with faces staring angrily at an
indifferent government.

But will white America remember who are the criminals and who are the
victims?

James Petras, a former Professor of Sociology at Binghamton
University, New York, owns a 50 year membership in the class
struggle, is an adviser to the landless and jobless in brazil and
argentina and is co-author of Globalization Unmasked (Zed). His new
book with Henry Veltmeyer, Social Movements and the State: Brazil,
Ecuador, Bolivia and Argentina, will be published in October 2005. He
can be reached at: jpetras@binghamton.edu
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While I understand the point you are attempting to make, the people must resist racists and racism that is precisely what the people in Toledo did. And they were correct; you must understand the history of racist organizations, in league with the official law enforcement and judiciary, and governments, terrorizing our people. I would strongly recommend that you read about the Deacons for Defense and Justice, the Monroe North Carolina NAACP under Robert Williams, the LCFO and SNCC action of armed self defense to fully understand what motivated the people in this instance. If you do not understand the violence that groups such as these in collusion with the official organs have perpetrated against the people, and will continue to perpetrate unless they are stopped, then you are in no position to render an informed opinion about the actions of the people in Toledo. You must understand that lynchings and police killings of Africans have increased in this county not decreased...this has to be stopped by use of force. There is no alternative.

No, the impulse to fight is not the problem, the problem is that the people are not properly organized, as for example they were in the instances of the Deacons, SNCC, LCFO and the Monroe NAACP chapter.
I did read another post by a person who knows more detail about the situation in Toledo where he stated that the methods of resistance you describe were used (organized opposition) to keep the out of residental areas, and the businesses affected were known "supporters" of the YT Sup. movement.

Thanks for the background and perspective, I will continue learning and growning,

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African...you have an excellent attitude. I thank you.
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