young girls and older men

[Amani Muhammad]

why is it that i'm seeing this?

[Kalamity]

C.R.E.A.M. !....that's it.the old men have the $ that they want.

[Amani Muhammad]

you could be right i've been told i was too broke and too young (the girl who told me this was the exact same age as me)

[G.O.D.F.A.T.H.A.]

Thats why I stay away from the zombies and stick to those with the same mindstate as me. These zombies have gotten out of control these days. Uhuru warriors!

[QueenWarriorNefertari]

Originally Posted by G.O.D.F.A.T.H.A.

Thats why I stay away from the zombies and stick to those with the same mindstate as me. These zombies have gotten out of control these days. Uhuru warriors!

Why abandon our your sisters in serious need of your blessed view of her??? IF YOU DON'T KNOW, DON'T SEE YOURSELF, DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU'RE A QUEEN, HOW CAN YOU BE EXPECTED TO LIVE AND BE AS ONE???!!!

Don't abandon sisters, SHOW THEM. And don't go looking for easy or instant compliance to what you say, brother -- simply PLANT THE SEED.

We need to kill this arrogance of folks not being "the same mindset as me".

Seriously.

[Tehuti-4]

Originally Posted by QueenWarriorNefertari

Why abandon our your sisters in serious need of your blessed view of her??? IF YOU DON'T KNOW, DON'T SEE YOURSELF, DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU'RE A QUEEN, HOW CAN YOU BE EXPECTED TO LIVE AND BE AS ONE???!!!

Don't abandon sisters, SHOW THEM. And don't go looking for easy or instant compliance to what you say, brother -- simply PLANT THE SEED.

We need to kill this arrogance of folks not being "the same mindset as me".

Seriously.

You're right of course Queen. I was on a conscious path before I got to HS. I have never been blessed to -begin- a relationship with a conscious Sistar. I guess just not enough/many have crossed my path or just destiny. The true blessing is that even though they may not have been conscious at the point our relationship was conceived both of us were open and receptive enough for us to grow and develop together spiritually, politically and as man and woman.

I have to say honestly that these were not easy relationships. In the beginning I contributed greatly I'm sure to the challenges in the relationships - full of fire, head strong, trying to force "consciousness". LOL Definitely Heru Tem. I was blessed that I was loved enough by the women who encountered me at this stage in my development that they could charge such things to my head and not to my heart. Over time I have developed my Heru faculty - understanding that leadership comes from being an exemplar of the righteousness we wish in others, that force is to be wielded within (on ones person) and gentleness without (on those around us). Understanding that each of us must come into the knowledge of our Self on our own without force or coercion.

Still I do wonder what a relationship with a fully conscious Sistar, one beyond my own development would be like. Maybe next lifetime. :cheers:

[Sun Ship]

Originally Posted by Tehuti-4

You're right of course Queen. I was on a conscious path before I got to HS. I have never been blessed to -begin- a relationship with a conscious Sistar. I guess just not enough/many have crossed my path or just destiny. The true blessing is that even though they may not have been conscious at the point our relationship was conceived both of us were open and receptive enough for us to grow and develop together spiritually, politically and as man and woman.

I have to say honestly that these were not easy relationships. In the beginning I contributed greatly I'm sure to the challenges in the relationships - full of fire, head strong, trying to force "consciousness". LOL Definitely Heru Tem. I was blessed that I was loved enough by the women who encountered me at this stage in my development that they could charge such things to my head and not to my heart. Over time I have developed my Heru faculty - understanding that leadership comes from being an exemplar of the righteousness we wish in others, that force is to be wielded within (on ones person) and gentleness without (on those around us). Understanding that each of us must come into the knowledge of our Self on our own without force or coercion.

Still I do wonder what a relationship with a fully conscious Sistar, one beyond my own development would be like. Maybe next lifetime. :cheers:

Brother Tehuti, I don’t think you have to wait for a “next lifetime�. Hopefully, the misalignment between conscious Black men and women will be amended through forums like this one and the unbroken circle will manifest itself into the light of day, and just not on some “cyber-internet� metaphysical level. Because the conscious among our people are exposing their needs and are articulating their understandings here at this place.

But conscious people are also a work in progress and need to dump or control a lot of their ingrown apathy and fear they don’t realize they still have. The conscious sector of our community should be the most progressively “coupled-up� people that reside in our community, but as I read the responses at this site concerning relationship issues, our conscious male and females are having a hard time properly soul-mating or uniting. Obviously our science of mating and our knowledge concerning collectivism are still in its damaged or infantile state (for New African people).

If you can’t build a family, how can you build a nation?

You can deal with someone who is not on the same knowledgeable plateau or African-centered philosophical level as you, but they have to be really, really…really, really, really ready to grow and change. You can’t change those who are arrogant, prideful and comfortable in their ignorance.

Opposites usually attract conflict, not progressive relationships.

In light of this thread, if an older brother can teach or assist a younger sister than so be it…we are talking about an adult dealing with an another adult type of relationship and not “young girls� to “older men� as this threads heading suggest (this heading is insulting to young Black WOMEN). Black folks need to find out what works and get out of the “paralysis of analysis� and the fear of successful living or the fear of trying and the failure that sometimes goes with struggle.

Ase!

[G.O.D.F.A.T.H.A.]

Yea I don't know a lot of conscious sisters but in order for them to be conscious they have to be shown a positive way to live and use their great minds to enlighten others around them. Its up to the individual and not others. You can't force things upon people because thats a quick way for them to rebel. I mispoke about this topic Nefertiti. Thats what we are all here for though, to learn from each other.

[Amani Muhammad]

i don't see how it is disrespectful because it's true alot of them are doing this

[QueenWarriorNefertari]

OUR SISTERS DID NOT GET TO THIS NEGATIVE AND SELF-DESTRUCTIVE PLACE ON THEIR OWN, THEY CAN NOT LEAVE IT ON THEIR OWN.

We need our Brothers. WE NEED OUR BROTHERS. I don't care Where her mind is, I don't care Who she is. SHE NEEDS HER BROTHER. And even if she never knows her Divine Place in this Universe as a Queen Goddess Blackwoman, the fact that You stood by her and continuously let her know. That you kept her in her light and reflection in Your mind/heart/soul for her, has blessed her until the next life.

YOU DON'T ABANDON YOUR PEOPLE. You stand next to them and love them with ALL you've got. Just like parents do children, just like friends do friends. We accept who they are. We try to share with them the beauty WE see in them. We pray they see it one day as well. We have to drop this arrogance of thinking we are so above people with this "conscious" bullshit. All conscious means is AWAKE, what are you DOING?!!! Don't just talk about Us, BE about Us.

Its rather simple. WE MAKE THIS HARD.

[QueenWarriorNefertari]

Originally Posted by Sun Ship

You can deal with someone who is not on the same knowledgeable plateau or African-centered philosophical level as you, but they have to be really, really…really, really, really ready to grow and change. You can’t change those who are arrogant, prideful and comfortable in their ignorance.

Us "conscious" people can be arrogant, prideful and comfortable too. We become self-centered and have this idea others aren't on "our level". PLEASE! So what if you read, eat vegetarian, write poetry, are a member an Afrikan org. and all the other attributes we add to "consciousness". We're not all that.

Instead of focusing on how much someone needs to change and grow in our opinions, we need to simply plant the seed of enlightenment and move on. You don't sit and wait to see the flower grow. If you can't live with someone's actions, if they're life doesn't align with yours comfortably -- then move on. But don't act like they aren't part of you or Us. We need to stand by our people NO MATTER WHAT.

Us keeping ourselves seperate is the very reason we're still so effed up. Its like Hip Hop -- we got gangster, conscious/progressive, neo-soul/poetic, old school, new school, and so forth -- all to speak to the so called different types of Hip Hop. ITS ALL HIP HOP! Just like we are ALL AFRIKANS. PERIOD.

I won't leave any of my people for nothing. From the sister who feels she needs to whore herself out to be worthy of men, to the brother who has become addicted to alcohol or who can't shake his impoverished existence.

I am them, they are me. PERIOD.

Matter of fact, the ONLY people I have no respect or love for, and come become almost incredibly hateful towards, are child molesters, rapists, woman-beaters, child abusers, liars, thieves, murderers (self-defense isn't murder). Doesn't matter their roots -- this is just entirely devilish and evil, whoever they are.

[BlkSpartacus]

I won't leave any of my people for nothing. From the sister who feels she needs to whore herself out to be worthy of men, to the brother who has become addicted to alcohol or who can't shake his impoverished existence.

I am them, they are me. PERIOD.


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Peace to the sista that said that its very true. I agree that just because you have better knowledge and understanding of things dont mean that you cant use it what ever happen to "each one teach one" theory. We just have to remember that most of us on this site have that knowledge and it would be a total waste if we just kept it to ourselves. I got mucho love for my brothas and sistas especially those that are struggling I cant ever abandon them. I will always feel their pain.

[Sun Ship]

Originally Posted by QueenWarriorNefertari

Us "conscious" people can be arrogant, prideful and comfortable too. We become self-centered and have this idea others aren't on "our level". PLEASE! So what if you read, eat vegetarian, write poetry, are a member an Afrikan org. and all the other attributes we add to "consciousness". We're not all that.

Instead of focusing on how much someone needs to change and grow in our opinions, we need to simply plant the seed of enlightenment and move on. You don't sit and wait to see the flower grow. If you can't live with someone's actions, if they're life doesn't align with yours comfortably -- then move on. But don't act like they aren't part of you or Us. We need to stand by our people NO MATTER WHAT.

Us keeping ourselves seperate is the very reason we're still so effed up. Its like Hip Hop -- we got gangster, conscious/progressive, neo-soul/poetic, old school, new school, and so forth -- all to speak to the so called different types of Hip Hop. ITS ALL HIP HOP! Just like we are ALL AFRIKANS. PERIOD.

I won't leave any of my people for nothing. From the sister who feels she needs to whore herself out to be worthy of men, to the brother who has become addicted to alcohol or who can't shake his impoverished existence.

I am them, they are me. PERIOD.

Matter of fact, the ONLY people I have no respect or love for, and come become almost incredibly hateful towards, are child molesters, rapists, woman-beaters, child abusers, liars, thieves, murderers (self-defense isn't murder). Doesn't matter their roots -- this is just entirely devilish and evil, whoever they are.

Blessed Sister, I think you have unknowing misconstrued my post. I was referring to relationships, not just an imparting of knowledge. I think I was trying to respond to the nature of the thread. I don’t disagree with what you’re saying about planting seeds, but you can’t make a man or woman who is dying from thirst drink, unless you can first convince them to open their mouths.

In other words, there are many progressive Black men and women who need balance and together they can help others. It’s insane for a progressive sister or brother to pour knowledge in the hands of those who hands are in their pockets, while those who hands are cupped and extended go without the libation of knowledge. This forum has many Black men and women who are looking for balance.

If the Thug is attracted to the “Thugette� and they yearn for each other, than why should those who are on the same path of consciousness not yearn for each other and seek each others company and reinforcement.

I haven't spoke out of context...

Peace

[Sun Ship]

Originally Posted by Amani Muhammad

i don't see how it is disrespectful because it's true alot of them are doing this

Peace Amani, I see you are a young sojourner... If you are talking about underage young ladies (girls), who have not reached womanhood, being wooed by older Black men than that's a whole 'nother subject and should be dealt with in that context. But if you’re talking about younger Black WOMEN and older Black men, then I think the term "girl" is inappropriate. So if you could be a little more forthcoming, I would like to know what you are observing.

[Amani Muhammad]

^^^that's exactly what i mean