What are your views on the education system within the USA?

[Jalili]

What are your views on the education system within the USA?


I feel that it is the starting point of the creation of the inferiority complex our children will face in this country. From day one of public school they're being taught by most of the time by a white teacher with little or no experience with black children. The pledge to the flag is force taught to them along with those completely false words "With Liberty and Justice for All" when that is so far from the truth and children know it or are developing an sense that something is not right.

As time progress they may or may not have a teacher that observes Black History month or is just blatantly racist and never calls on a black child with their hand up to answer a question which makes them less eager to want to learn due to all the negative reinforcement that they receive when trying to learn.

High school becomes the worst of it all. Now they understand the racial divide when they are sometimes unreasonably sent to the principles office they are bombarded by "You know that the majority of people in jail or black" or "I don't like you kind with your attitude" and some of us have heard and many have believed the old heart breaking phrase "YOU WILL NEVER AMOUNT TO NOTHING" when a young person hears these things in their place of learning whether it is said to them or hear it being said to a friend it will have very damaging effects let alone the daily things they see and hear on TV or read in the newspaper.

They are being slowly buried under insecurity and outward hatred and which can and often leads to self hatred. The school system is the being of the end for many of our youth and the worst part of it all is that we as parents are sending our children to these institutions everyday because we want the best for our children; yet we are also possibly destroying them in the process.

What can we do?

We could say stop sending them to these schools but they're are Truman laws that demand that children be sent to school.

We can home school our children but the SYSTEM itself will send you teaching material that they want you to teach you child.

We can start our own school system. This maybe the best option for us but then there still is government intervention which can make it nearly impossible to do what we need for our own survival as a people (see-COINTELPRO and others)

Our main goal is to BE PARENTS! when they come home we study what they study we home school and send them to public school. We build up pride and determination with in our babies so that when they become adults that they know whats really going on and what the USA wishes for them.

I couldn't make my comment any more brief then what it came out to be but sometimes you must say a lot to make a simple statement.

THE WELL FAIR OF OUR CHILDREN IS IN OUR HANDS THE HANDS OF THEIR PARENTS. NOT A SYSTEM OF EDUCATION THAT WISHES ONLY TO CREATE A NATION OF CLOSED MINDED THINKERS THAT ONLY BENEFIT THE SYSTEM AND NOT THEMSELVES NOR THEIR PEOPLE.

AND JABOOM SIGNATURE STATES.....................

[rebelAfrika]

I believe the school system (here) does exactly what it is supposed to do...a select few are "GUIDED" to excell within the system and come out as the "masters of society" while the vast majority are "GUIDED" to come out as either working class/blue collar/service related laborers or as "expendables"...and by expendables, I mean those who are in the military, or on the streets hustlin' to survive, or in the prisons, or in the psychiatric institutions, or in the cemetary.

BUT EVERYBODY who passes through the school system (whether they graduate high school and go on to the "euroversity," or whether they drop out of high school) is taught eurocentricism. In fact, I would go as far as to say it is firmly solidified in many before they even begin high school, barring some unforseen phenomenon that is strong enough to counteract the process through which eurocentricism is solidified. For me, there WAS an unforseen phenomenon. This phenomenon was my upbringing in the Compton Unified School District. The european's "false arrogance" in the supremacy of eurocentricity (oh, those negros will just do what we say and we don't even have to stay on top of it) caused them to neglect the Compton Unified School District...and just like a prison guard who "dozes off" for a slight minute...they got caught slippin'! Compton Unified is not just a school district that is neglected by them...it is (for all intents and purposes) a MAROONED school district! And like ALL Maroons do, we depended on our own innovations for our survival! They neglected us and they got caught slippin'...and somehow, some teachers got "innovative" and showed all of us 3rd graders the "ROOTS" t.v. series...which in any other school district, probably would have been micromanaged/stifled/checked/etc. before it could happen! That was THEE major unforseen phenomenon that took place for me.

But what can we do? Have you seen those specials where some racist crackers are raising their children to be racists too? We have to raise our children in a similar fashion (for the greater good of OUR people), where what is taught in school (and in society in general) is only "complentary" to what is taught in the home (which is PRIMARY). Watch those specials closely and see how it's done (if you can't figure out how to do it yourself).

[SheRose]

Check the Poetry Section. My view is there. HOME SCHOOLING'S the way.

Thank you most kindly.


Sherose of the Roses

[FreedomJournal]

FREEDOMJOURNAL THOUGHT OF THE DAY 2-3-01
BLACK HISTORY HAS DEFINED WORLD HISTORY
In the name of God, Master of the universe, Ruler of the earth.

"The study of Black History should be an integral part of all Social Science curriculums."
It is for sure that the world needs a clear understanding of the history of Africa, the Americas and the trials and tribulations of Blacks throughout the Diaspora. Meanwhile, the yearly pursuit of the initial record of humankind is a travesty of symbolism and mis- education. A listing of Black accomplishments has a limited utility. What is most important is the Attack and Attempt to destroy, distort and mis-interpret the history of Black people?

However when you make an accurate analysis of these factors many Heroes become Zeros. Is it a fact that the Civil Rights Movement the bastion of Black Leadership does not want the Truth told? If the Truth is told, many so-call Black Leaders would not have insignificant jobs that are based on premeditated actions of Black on Black discrimination. Nor would White America continue to dole out millions of dollars to these unprincipled so- called Leaders to keep the masses in place.

Thus we (FreedomJournal) who is unbought, unsold, leased or rented) further declare that Carter G. Woodson came up with the idea of Black History Week for a reason. The study of Black History is not a Holiday, are an exercise in Blackness or an educational charade? Black History Month should be an attempt to dispel Mis-education in the Black community and institute the study of Black history on an on-going basis.

It is for sure that one cannot adequately study the history of humankind and not include Black history. Those that attempt to exclude the history of any people are shallow and mis- informed. Thus, they border on the fringes of ignorance and stupidity. To move from ignorance to knowledge and Truth is a denial of stupidity however this is impossible if one does not Know that God is the Center of All Truth.

As Almighty God is our witness, we note that many that profess to be scholars have a Tainted and Confused World View.

Peace,
Carl Patton writing for the FreedomJournal February 3, 2001, in the year of our Lord.

[rebelAfrika]

Originally Posted by FreedomJournal

FREEDOMJOURNAL THOUGHT OF THE DAY 2-3-01
BLACK HISTORY HAS DEFINED WORLD HISTORY
In the name of God, Master of the universe, Ruler of the earth.

"The study of Black History should be an integral part of all Social Science curriculums."
It is for sure that the world needs a clear understanding of the history of Africa, the Americas and the trials and tribulations of Blacks throughout the Diaspora. Meanwhile, the yearly pursuit of the initial record of humankind is a travesty of symbolism and mis- education. A listing of Black accomplishments has a limited utility. What is most important is the Attack and Attempt to destroy, distort and mis-interpret the history of Black people?

However when you make an accurate analysis of these factors many Heroes become Zeros. Is it a fact that the Civil Rights Movement the bastion of Black Leadership does not want the Truth told? If the Truth is told, many so-call Black Leaders would not have insignificant jobs that are based on premeditated actions of Black on Black discrimination. Nor would White America continue to dole out millions of dollars to these unprincipled so- called Leaders to keep the masses in place.

Thus we (FreedomJournal) who is unbought, unsold, leased or rented) further declare that Carter G. Woodson came up with the idea of Black History Week for a reason. The study of Black History is not a Holiday, are an exercise in Blackness or an educational charade? Black History Month should be an attempt to dispel Mis-education in the Black community and institute the study of Black history on an on-going basis.

It is for sure that one cannot adequately study the history of humankind and not include Black history. Those that attempt to exclude the history of any people are shallow and mis- informed. Thus, they border on the fringes of ignorance and stupidity. To move from ignorance to knowledge and Truth is a denial of stupidity however this is impossible if one does not Know that God is the Center of All Truth.

As Almighty God is our witness, we note that many that profess to be scholars have a Tainted and Confused World View.

Peace,
Carl Patton writing for the FreedomJournal February 3, 2001, in the year of our Lord.

So if the study of black history was an intergral part of the curriculum...then the school system would be fine to you?

[Im The Truth]

Eurocentric philosophy is taught primiarily in u.s. schools rather than life skills or how to make it in society.

[Blackmind]

As a teacher with 3 years of experience in NYC High Schools, and a 1/2 a year in Providence R.I. i would have to say that the school system is a bunch of b.s. and adding a black history class to the curriculum won't change a damn thing about it.

In his post Jaboom stated:
High school becomes the worst of it all. Now they understand the racial divide.....

I can't always agree with this. I have been involved in high schools since 2003 and i keep running into students who for some reason are under the impression that racism is over and have no idea of what a racial divide is. I even run into a lot of thier parents who talk from this perspective. Even when you point out evidence of racism in the schools or society to some of them, they still don't understand it.

i think creating our own schools is the way to go. To avoid government intervention they wouldn't be able to be considered public schools but making students pay to attend them wouldn't be the way to go either. Home schooling is a nice option but i think there are benefits of being in a school environment.

[Fenix]

The school system's focus has moved beyond educating our children to be well-functioning citizens and more towards simply aiming to raise test scores and establishing some sort of authoritative environment in which kids don't develop useful decision-making skills. It's no secret that Black students are getting the short end of this stick. There is little focus on developing the humanity, integrity, or the thinking and leadership capacities of the kids (esp. in predominately Black schools). When school becomes an institution where authorities hand down all decisions, students don't get a chance to develop or exercise their own thinking and flex their intellectual muscles.

I don't think it's smart to throw children into a learning environment where the people who are supposed to be looking out for them are only concerned with raising the school's average scores on standardized exams before we have invested time in discovering their learning style. I want my kids (and by my kids, I mean all Black children) to be good students, yes, but I think part of that comes from their abilities to make their own decisions, and stand on a firm system of values.

[Revolutionary_Student]

"A man who allows his enemy to educate his children is a fool." -El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz (Malcolm X)


Funny enough, I just happened to have engaged in two separate conversations of this very same topic today. The first conversation, with my conscious cousin who agrees that home schooling is the best way for our children to grow up in amerikkka; the second conversation with my sister who believes that home schooling will damage or deprive your off spring in the long run.

My opinion is that the U.S. school system helps pollute our children's minds and deprives them of individuality and knowledge of self. By that, I mean their ability to think for themselves. We are manufacturing too many athletes, rappers , and drug dealers and not enough scholars and freedom fighters. Many of our children don't learn in public shools the ability to evaluate society in a way where they can excel socio-politically. Case in point: everybody learns the same history; American HIS-story. Black history has become synonymous with Martin Luther King, George Washington Carver, and Rosa Parks (or as I like to think of them, "safe negroes")

How often do enough of our people take it upon themselves to look deeper than what the school system is feeding our children about OUR-story. They've been doing if for centuries and it still seems to be working. We need MORE of our own schools (shout out to the Lotus Academy in Philly and all the Afrikan centered institutions out there). Then, and only then, will we begin to see a shift in OUR social status and mental state as a people.

Uhuru sasa, Sankofa, and all that jazz...

[Seeking Ma'at]

Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Student

"A man who allows his enemy to educate his children is a fool." -El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz (Malcolm X)


Funny enough, I just happened to have engaged in two separate conversations of this very same topic today. The first conversation, with my conscious cousin who agrees that home schooling is the best way for our children to grow up in amerikkka; the second conversation with my sister who believes that home schooling will damage or deprive your off spring in the long run.

I would love to know specifically what kind of damage/deprivation are we talking about here. If we are talking about basic social skills (children socializing with their peers), that can be easily remedied by putting then in community programs or extra-curricular activities that have nothing to do with the homeschool curriculum. *shrugs* My two cents.
Not sure how I will educate my babies when I have them. I'm leaning toward homeschooling, but I also do feel like--when they get older--they need to know about that nasty, nasty world out there too.
Homeschool to a certain age, then public school? Then again, I've been told that I may have hotheaded children who will challenge the teacher and get kicked out.
Public school w/a homeschool education supplement on weekends and afternoons?

*shrugs* Decisions, decisions...

[Jalili]

Originally Posted by Seeking Ma'at

I would love to know specifically what kind of damage/deprivation are we talking about here. If we are talking about basic social skills (children socializing with their peers), that can be easily remedied by putting then in community programs or extra-curricular activities that have nothing to do with the homeschool curriculum. *shrugs* My two cents.
Not sure how I will educate my babies when I have them. I'm leaning toward homeschooling, but I also do feel like--when they get older--they need to know about that nasty, nasty world out there too.
Homeschool to a certain age, then public school? Then again, I've been told that I may have hotheaded children who will challenge the teacher and get kicked out.
Public school w/a homeschool education supplement on weekends and afternoons?

*shrugs* Decisions, decisions...

I think we all feel you decision struggle.
I don't know what I will do for my daughter and my (possible) future children. My parents sent me to a all black private school (which has since been forced to integrate) Their I had teachers that cared about my education but as soon as my family fell on hard times I was put in public school which for a long time killed my hunger for knowledge as a child because I was single out in a school of mostly white kids.

I remember as a child wanting to be home schooled because I hated public school I didn't like being the few in the middle of the many and I wouldn't want my child to feel that either.

[Im The Truth]

Originally Posted by Seeking Ma'at

I would love to know specifically what kind of damage/deprivation are we talking about here. If we are talking about basic social skills (children socializing with their peers), that can be easily remedied by putting then in community programs or extra-curricular activities that have nothing to do with the homeschool curriculum. *shrugs* My two cents.
Not sure how I will educate my babies when I have them. I'm leaning toward homeschooling, but I also do feel like--when they get older--they need to know about that nasty, nasty world out there too.
Homeschool to a certain age, then public school? Then again, I've been told that I may have hotheaded children who will challenge the teacher and get kicked out.
Public school w/a homeschool education supplement on weekends and afternoons?

*shrugs* Decisions, decisions...

Looking at the vast majority of black youth people in public schooling are the alternative education methods such as private school, home school real life options for black parents? Or should we be thinking in another directions?

[Sun Ship]

Originally Posted by Im The Truth

Looking at the vast majority of black youth people in public schooling are the alternative education methods such as private school, home school real life options for black parents? Or should we be thinking in another directions?

Brother Truth, I do understand what you’re saying and you’re being very realistic.

For it sounds very rhetorically heroic and very revolutionary for us to recommend taking our children in large numbers out of the public school system, just as it sounds just as revolutionary as saying the solution to many of our problems can be solved by a mass exodus back to Africa, until you realistically look at the broader logistics of each suggestion!

With that said and focusing on the subject of public education, there is NO solution inside the public school system, or any solution that will ever be allowed inside of the public school system that will affect the majority of Black students both urban and rural!

Here’s a even scarier thought. I think what is coming on the horizon is the privatization (not traditional private schooling) of public schools like the privatization of prisons, policing, the military and other once governmental controlled entities, but now have become “big� industry controlled. This will become our darkest hour. Now I don’t have the answer to thwart this, but we must act soon, or someone else will radically act for us!

I think what has happened is that this privatization has been sending out a subversive mind conditioning before it, that’s described as individualism; whereas there is no longer an autonomous public mind, and community collectiveness or collective consciousness apart from a consumer-industrial complex. Basically, you consume what they program you to consume, even when knowing it is not for any public good. It becomes your sense of self-worth and this individualism becomes like a “matrix-like� pod, each created to satisfy the producers of consumptions without seeing any collective benefit to the whole, not even in our own children, men, women, extended family, or the community at large. We are already so integrated into this system as individual circuits all giving functionality and life to the personified corporate entity that we feel we’re a part of, with each of us being well-meaning consumption operatives. The public mind has become invasive, sterile, and inorganic to us, such as roads and bridges and even these things will one day become even more privatized.

It might go like this, each of our children will have to have a private education if afforded, and the rest of our children will be the private property of one owner, or group of stockholders. Laws and public oversight will become distorted and useless as these schools will be ran by offshore entities and internationalist in Dubai, like Halliburton.

What’s interesting, look how Oprah made the parents of those South African school children sign law-binding contracts with stipulations that prevented the mothers from visiting their daughters, which was contradictory to South African customs and cultural practices.

In light of what Oprah has done, "is the road to hell paved with good intentions?"

After Katrina, if we were listening, the government said, “we cannot help you� and that governmental public responsibility is a farce! That’s why you saw a private police force in New Orleans, remember Blackwater? And don’t forget Halliburton.

It is not that we cannot take a significant number of Black children out of the illusion of public education, or have added developmental and supplemental institutions for those who will have to be able to function through the public school system, the problem is until we can understand how this really works and is designed we will never have the wherewithal to social engineer any viable and workable alternatives. We don’t have to envision taking all of our children out of the system because there is a significant number who do move beyond the public school system and do relatively well, and they just need some supplementary outside institutional options that can help them become more self-determinant or Black nationalistic (i.e., nation-building).

[Im The Truth]

Hey what’s wrong with Mickey D’s making the perfect worker/consumer LOL. The privatization of former public services is something this government is capable of and you really can’t get a better capitalist model than privatizing everything - I wonder what prevents this, I guess yts will start a revolution if that were to happen cuz this would eventually eliminate the middle class. But anyways you are right I don’t know if Lockheed Martin (maker of america’s WOD) is the best people to run public schools.

I think with enough before and after-school programs created and the existing ones supported we can significantly affect our young peoples away from the themes capitalism and individualism and towards nation-building. You know it’s sad when capitalism and individualism are the leading thought in a county. With that being the leading thought you will have a whole bunch of roads paved to hell with good intentions.

[MsLioness]

I man named Mr.Paul of Nigeria told me that establishing your own Afrikan Youth School would be reactionary, because it would not change what needs to be changed...public school education.



For the sake of the thread, public schooling aint so bad, look at alot of us.
If you teach your child the truth, it would be of an advantage for them to see what it is you are speaking manifest. Its the idea that they will be able to contrast and understand completely that there is a problem, and, hopefully, like all of us, who probably attended public schools, will search for solutions...organize our people.